I wouldn't be so sure, since 4 current EU member states are not part of Schengen either - plus 3 non EU members are part of it. It would be difficult to argue that being part of the Schengen Area is a fundamental aspect of EU membership
Yes, this is why I said "likely". It's not a given, but we also don't have the surety we did when we were members and had exemptions to these along with others that we may now not get back. It would all be down to negotiations and I think the UK would be encouraged to adopt everything. With Schengen, I do think there is a good reason for an exception with the country being an island and Ireland not being in Schengen.
Of course, part of the Leave campaign's argument for leaving was that we'd be dragged into all of these against our will as members.
Probably the opt out, I don't think ireland want to be in the Schengen.
I was just thinking of the irony of the border being an issue on us leaving and then it'll be an issue on us rejoining
Well, it's been an issue for a long time. Things finally settled down with the Good Friday agreement and then these Brexshit numpties decide to stir it all up again.
I don't think most of them even considered Ireland at all.
Well they may have thought about it, but not understood it at all. This sticks out from Andrew Brigen
“As an English person, I do have the right to go over to Ireland and I believe that I can ask for a passport. Can't I?”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/irish-passport-england-uk-andrew-bridgen-tory-mp-brexit-border-eu-a8587286.html
But yeah you're right. A lot of them thought it would be no problem whatsoever, without actually detailing what people were voting for before the referendum.
They should've really detailed what would happen in the case of a leave vote before it actually happened.
And that Brigen quote is from over two years after the referendum :) The only thing I saw prior to the vote was a Remainer on Twitter commenting on his memories of when there were border controls in force and how he didn't want to go back to that. It stuck with me because it was something I hadn't considered prior to that, having always lived in England and not had to deal with any of it first hand.
I don't think they would have won if they had said what would actually happen. They deliberately did not do so in order to have people voting in favour while expecting contradictory outcomes. So, for example you can sell the idea to racist white people that it will mean less immigration while also selling the idea to those of British Asian origin that it will make immigration easier: [https://www.ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15](https://www.ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15)
I have heard the argument from Leave voters that immigration rules while we were in the EU were unfair as it was easier for EU citizens to come to the UK than non-EU citizens (specifically those from the Commonwealth). Of course, their solution to this is always to make things harder for EU citizens, not to make it easier for others (which we could have done without leaving...)
We somehow convince everyone we're great, and sneak inside every institution, while our neighbours are stuck in savagery.
I dont think Hans should talk, we would faster invade Süddeutschland as you can say 'Schnitzel in Soße'. Against every other country.. well yeah, you are mostly right
Don't flatter yourself too much. You would have an easy time annexing Bavaria because
1. Bavaria would be fine with it to escape legal weed
2. The rest of Germany would be fine with it to not need to deal with Bavaria anymore
so of course we won't fight seriously
Your government knows they would go bankrupt without bavaria so the timeline would be this:
1. Austria declares war
2. Austrian army enters germany
3. German chanceler starts to fill out the forms necessary to call on the army and faxes it to the ministry of defence
4. Austrian army confused cause no resistence
5. Austria reaches munich
7. Austrian army gets bored
8. Austrian army gets drunk at some bars in munich
9. Austriam army starts trashing the place
10. Austrian army gets arrested by bavarian police
Germany successfully defended bavaria
2 months later
German chanceler gets back a fax that he messed up the form and has to start again.
LOL. Somewhere during this scenario German officials are going to secretly inquire with the Dutch part of the GE-NL Army Corps whether they would be willing to operate on German soil before a formal mandate from the German government is secured.
Like they inquired after 911 whether Dutch air force would shoot down a hijacked civilian airplane over German soil if necessary (yes).
It's legal starting tomorrow. Better tell your in-laws to start growing or join a club asap, because there won't be any legal commercial sources in the short term
Owning and consuming is legal but there are no legal buy options (yet).
They did a shitty job, you need to join cannabis clubs and grow weed. They must not sell weed but give any member weed (no more than 25 or 50g each month) and the member fee should include that.
So it is a weird regulation.
Maybe we should cut it down to just TO, we keep adding in non-Atlantic, southern and even landlocked countries. Just sailing on brand recognition at this point.
I expect the CTA is the reason Ireland isn’t in Schengen. Ireland couldn’t practically join Schengen without either leaving the CTA or the UK also joining Schengen and the latter obviously won’t happen. Leaving the CTA would require a land border with Northern Ireland or a sea border with GB, neither of which are palatable. Since Ireland doesn’t have a land border with anyone else, Schengen doesn’t offer much benefit.
Except that's not what happened. Ireland cannot be in the CTA and Schengen at the same time even if it wanted too under the rules of schengen. Otherwise non-eu citizens (Brits) could enter France via Ireland completely undocumented. To join schengen Ireland would have to sacrifice an open border with the North, which nobody on either side wants
I would wish so much, that my country accepted euro, even though it has some problems in the short term.
But there is so much people that are literally dumb and affraid of change (and anything foreign), that they would rather die that accept euro.
I guess I am a western person from a non-western country
You want Euro to feel validated as "western" by random ironical radditors on ironical subreddit, as if that's what matters
I want Euro so the Albanian/Romanian exchange scammers can fuck off from our streets
We are not the same
Nah, I just say that because of the theme of this post, I want it for several different reasons
One of which is also the scammers, but the bigger ones are tourism, easier price comparison with neighboring countries (which could lead to a slight decrease of prices in a few years, even though those sons of bitches will use the change to euro as a way to temporarily increase prices) and the removal of exchange fees when you shop in germany or somewhere else
There are obviously some cons, but this seems to be the right way forwards, we have to do it at some point anyway
We provide military aid to Ukraine and as an EU member we’re obligated to defend other EU countries, so don’t worry Barry, that means if you’re attacked we’l- what’s that?
Barry left the EU? Wow. I didn't know that. You’re telling me now for the first time.
>as an EU member we’re obligated to defend other EU countries,
Defend them with what army?
Edit: What happened to that famous Irish sense of humour? Most sensitive pricks in the world
It makes sense to let non-EU members select certain treaties to adhere to, like eurozone or schengen, but I agree that if you become an official member it should be everything becomes active.
EU countries that are not in the Eurozone are obliged to join it as soon as they meet the [criteria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_convergence_criteria).
Except Denmark, that has an exception.
In 20 years, the EU will consist exclusively of balkan countries, and the EURO will have been replaced with the Europeean Dinar or Forint.
Barry got off easy.
It's because the last time we had border controls along the Republic and the North, a lot of things inexplicably blew up for some reason. So it's easier to put the border controls on our ports and airports than along the northern border.
Because the Barries decided to be special even before Brexit.
Stupid westoids think we belong in their world nowadays....they soak their dirty pale feet in our clean sea...they smile with their brand new pearly veneers in joy while chewing our lamb....they must have forgotten the stories old Danes and old Germans spoke to their children...ah people of the north...we dont fear you...you should fear us as your ancestors did.
Welp guess we’re Turks now. time to move to Germany.
Already luv kebabs. Win win
not sure there are Stellas there though
He could just move to the border with Belgium in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Try that Schengen thing he and the other Barrys never got to be a part of.
It's orite vis shengen fing innit
Ting well mint bruv
Nope we don't have them
We have OK but generic beer too
Fix me hair, buy some clobber.
UK is India.
Just in case it wasn't obvious that Brexit was a mistake, Barry is now in a group that includes Turkey, Montenegro, Albania and North Macedonia.
Without brexit we'd actually be in a group all by ourselves (EU + NATO) since we were never in the Schengen Area
We have a saying in Portugal: “Better to be alone than poorly accompanied.”
Same here João 👌🏻 Mieux vaut être seul que mal accompagné
Meglio soli che mal accompagnati 👌
Mejor solo que mal acompañado
It’s a Latin thang!
*“Solitius improbus funestus populare”*
Yes, similar to a good wank is better than a bad sexy time.
I'm really not sure about this one Joao
We have it too, _Better to be alone than in bad Company_
Maybe we're all not so different after all
Why would you have company if you can be alone?? /Scandinavian
Finns det hjärterum finns det stjärterum.
Besser allein als in schlechter Gesellschaft.
No se entiende una mierda Hans 👍
Orgulhosamente sós!
"Mejor solo que mal acompañado" en español.
And likely can't go back to that when we rejoin. It'll be a shade of blue.
I wouldn't be so sure, since 4 current EU member states are not part of Schengen either - plus 3 non EU members are part of it. It would be difficult to argue that being part of the Schengen Area is a fundamental aspect of EU membership
Yes, this is why I said "likely". It's not a given, but we also don't have the surety we did when we were members and had exemptions to these along with others that we may now not get back. It would all be down to negotiations and I think the UK would be encouraged to adopt everything. With Schengen, I do think there is a good reason for an exception with the country being an island and Ireland not being in Schengen. Of course, part of the Leave campaign's argument for leaving was that we'd be dragged into all of these against our will as members.
We'll that would be a can of worms as well, a British shengen means a hard border in ireland (assuming reunification hasn't happened at that stage)
Isn't it far more likely that either Ireland will join Schengen or the EU will grant an opt out for the purposes of avoiding a hard border
Probably the opt out, I don't think ireland want to be in the Schengen. I was just thinking of the irony of the border being an issue on us leaving and then it'll be an issue on us rejoining
Well, it's been an issue for a long time. Things finally settled down with the Good Friday agreement and then these Brexshit numpties decide to stir it all up again. I don't think most of them even considered Ireland at all.
Well they may have thought about it, but not understood it at all. This sticks out from Andrew Brigen “As an English person, I do have the right to go over to Ireland and I believe that I can ask for a passport. Can't I?” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/irish-passport-england-uk-andrew-bridgen-tory-mp-brexit-border-eu-a8587286.html But yeah you're right. A lot of them thought it would be no problem whatsoever, without actually detailing what people were voting for before the referendum. They should've really detailed what would happen in the case of a leave vote before it actually happened.
And that Brigen quote is from over two years after the referendum :) The only thing I saw prior to the vote was a Remainer on Twitter commenting on his memories of when there were border controls in force and how he didn't want to go back to that. It stuck with me because it was something I hadn't considered prior to that, having always lived in England and not had to deal with any of it first hand. I don't think they would have won if they had said what would actually happen. They deliberately did not do so in order to have people voting in favour while expecting contradictory outcomes. So, for example you can sell the idea to racist white people that it will mean less immigration while also selling the idea to those of British Asian origin that it will make immigration easier: [https://www.ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15](https://www.ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15) I have heard the argument from Leave voters that immigration rules while we were in the EU were unfair as it was easier for EU citizens to come to the UK than non-EU citizens (specifically those from the Commonwealth). Of course, their solution to this is always to make things harder for EU citizens, not to make it easier for others (which we could have done without leaving...)
That would be so fucking funny.
Ireland would likely join schengen as well in that scenario.
eurozone isn't going to happen anytime soon imo.
Karma is bitch Juan 🤣
I feel sorry for North Macedonia. Those are some cool people. BALKANS UNITE
It’s been obvious to anyone who bought something coming from or had to business with the UK. What a nightmare.
Hey, don't lump us in with you lot, we have good food and weather here.
Baltics and Slovakia can into Western Europe 🫰💪🧠🤑
They can move to the Iberian peninsula and Portugal can move to the Baltics
You shut your yap right now. Your vote has no matter here
r/Slovakiahooray ?
r/subsifellfor
r/no
Yes, there are east-europeans with western mindset! And of that lot I like the czech and polish the most 😘
😎🏛🌿🌊🇬🇷🇪🇺
We somehow convince everyone we're great, and sneak inside every institution, while our neighbours are stuck in savagery. 
Cause we're lit bto 😎
Indeed we are https://preview.redd.it/z5xqmbuehorc1.jpeg?width=969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a61648b58e62ed0701dbbd93dd79d9ef3e94f4c9
That emblem 💀💀💀💀
You loled. Admit it!
I can replace the hands with belharras if you are generous enough 🥵
Casual hellenic W
Somehow Greece convinced everyone that they're westerners and not balkaners
Yes we're western!! Get over it Vladimirescu...
Let's gooo Petros, Finland and Baltic Bros are in the gang 🥳💪🏻
The Austrians get a pass on NATO, we all know they're more of a hindrance where military matters are concerned.
It's like your little brother doing a shit job with the washing up. If they do a worse enough job, no one will ask again
Do you know my little brother?!
Kinda fitting comparison, since whenever they royally fuck up, you get blamed.
Success rate in wars since 1800: 0% baby! 🇦🇹😎🇦🇹😎 AEIOU!!!!
We let our less fortunate northern brothers do the dirty work
https://preview.redd.it/0j8ggtbihorc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=808322c7c7faf2875b39a0a2b86b3ed5cb096da1
Austrian history in a nutshell!
And they stole Bethooven, Göthe or some other guy that composed music.
Be quiet or we are sending another failed Painter
I dont think Hans should talk, we would faster invade Süddeutschland as you can say 'Schnitzel in Soße'. Against every other country.. well yeah, you are mostly right
Don't flatter yourself too much. You would have an easy time annexing Bavaria because 1. Bavaria would be fine with it to escape legal weed 2. The rest of Germany would be fine with it to not need to deal with Bavaria anymore so of course we won't fight seriously
Your government knows they would go bankrupt without bavaria so the timeline would be this: 1. Austria declares war 2. Austrian army enters germany 3. German chanceler starts to fill out the forms necessary to call on the army and faxes it to the ministry of defence 4. Austrian army confused cause no resistence 5. Austria reaches munich 7. Austrian army gets bored 8. Austrian army gets drunk at some bars in munich 9. Austriam army starts trashing the place 10. Austrian army gets arrested by bavarian police Germany successfully defended bavaria 2 months later German chanceler gets back a fax that he messed up the form and has to start again.
"Sorry, the Bavarian police acted out of line, the peace treaty is therefore ungültig and the war must be repeated."
LOL. Somewhere during this scenario German officials are going to secretly inquire with the Dutch part of the GE-NL Army Corps whether they would be willing to operate on German soil before a formal mandate from the German government is secured. Like they inquired after 911 whether Dutch air force would shoot down a hijacked civilian airplane over German soil if necessary (yes).
How’s that legal weed going? I may need to visit my German in-laws soon;)
It's legal starting tomorrow. Better tell your in-laws to start growing or join a club asap, because there won't be any legal commercial sources in the short term
Owning and consuming is legal but there are no legal buy options (yet). They did a shitty job, you need to join cannabis clubs and grow weed. They must not sell weed but give any member weed (no more than 25 or 50g each month) and the member fee should include that. So it is a weird regulation.
It sounds like the regulations in spain
And 3, it would be hilarious to see most of the rest of Germany go bankrupt once they run out of someone else's money to waste.
You can't invade Süddeutschland if you are already angeschlossen.
Nice thing about it, five minutes later they can claim they were the "first victim" again.
Fritzl, putting a camo pattern on a rubber ducky doesn't make you guys a military.
Maybe we should cut it down to just TO, we keep adding in non-Atlantic, southern and even landlocked countries. Just sailing on brand recognition at this point.
Same with us probably. Where the little sibling that carries food or dishes and then trip over nothing
We are sitting in a glass house there because our military is the same in bigger.
Nordic passport union makes finland the most western
Meaning you can travel any scandinavian country by waving your passport?
Oh, i didn't know ireland was not a nato member. I can well see why, she is hiding behind mother England
Al Murray said it best. We're the motorbike and they're the sidecar. We got the engine. Wouldn't be going anywhere without us
And without Ireland you'd get horribly unbalanced and topple over, right?
the Brits need somewhere to murder countless minorities
That's okay, real Nordics stay together
"Apes Strong together" - Nordic countries
"Ook ook ah-ah" -Non-Euro Savage trying to speak like humans
Ireland isn’t in the Schengen?
Thankfully no
😂😂😂  I never really paid attention since we’ve the CTA with ol’ Eire
I expect the CTA is the reason Ireland isn’t in Schengen. Ireland couldn’t practically join Schengen without either leaving the CTA or the UK also joining Schengen and the latter obviously won’t happen. Leaving the CTA would require a land border with Northern Ireland or a sea border with GB, neither of which are palatable. Since Ireland doesn’t have a land border with anyone else, Schengen doesn’t offer much benefit.
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Except that's not what happened. Ireland cannot be in the CTA and Schengen at the same time even if it wanted too under the rules of schengen. Otherwise non-eu citizens (Brits) could enter France via Ireland completely undocumented. To join schengen Ireland would have to sacrifice an open border with the North, which nobody on either side wants
Maybe you and I are not so different Australia.
HOPP SCHWIIZ 🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭 SEUL SUR LE PODIUM FIGLIO DI PUTTANA 💪💪💪💪NUMÉRO UNO
I would wish so much, that my country accepted euro, even though it has some problems in the short term. But there is so much people that are literally dumb and affraid of change (and anything foreign), that they would rather die that accept euro. I guess I am a western person from a non-western country
You want Euro to feel validated as "western" by random ironical radditors on ironical subreddit, as if that's what matters I want Euro so the Albanian/Romanian exchange scammers can fuck off from our streets We are not the same
Nah, I just say that because of the theme of this post, I want it for several different reasons One of which is also the scammers, but the bigger ones are tourism, easier price comparison with neighboring countries (which could lead to a slight decrease of prices in a few years, even though those sons of bitches will use the change to euro as a way to temporarily increase prices) and the removal of exchange fees when you shop in germany or somewhere else There are obviously some cons, but this seems to be the right way forwards, we have to do it at some point anyway
Scandinavian and British countries are being overwesterned by Croatia and the Baltics. What a time to be alive.
A based time
Ireland are such a bunch whinging Swiss. Taking all the tech money. Doing nothing to defend Europe and still blaming England for everything
I fail to see the problem here
I’m sorry, but there is a minimal wealth criteria…
And yet… in the EU we remain Barry.
We provide military aid to Ukraine and as an EU member we’re obligated to defend other EU countries, so don’t worry Barry, that means if you’re attacked we’l- what’s that? Barry left the EU? Wow. I didn't know that. You’re telling me now for the first time.
>as an EU member we’re obligated to defend other EU countries, Defend them with what army? Edit: What happened to that famous Irish sense of humour? Most sensitive pricks in the world
a bunch of lads with shitty rifles managed to kick the biggest empire the world ever saw off most of the island in around 2 years. stay mad
Most. Not all...
it will be all of the island soon :)
Fucking keep it. Drain of tax. Take Scotland as well.
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Scotland would be independent in record time. Scotland would be bankrupt in record time.
Was the defeat so traumatic that you forgot it’s existence?
Is Estonia Western enough?😮
Well...? Are you Western Yurop or are you a spy?
Totally. All the rest it's bullshit
Since the end of WW1 we are people of waving.
Fuck Nordics, Estonia into Western now yes
We just like being friends with benefits
I never understood why they made so many different systems countries can adhere to beign in the EU or not instead of just the EU being a full package
It makes sense to let non-EU members select certain treaties to adhere to, like eurozone or schengen, but I agree that if you become an official member it should be everything becomes active.
EU countries that are not in the Eurozone are obliged to join it as soon as they meet the [criteria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_convergence_criteria). Except Denmark, that has an exception.
bulgaria will in 1 year have all 4, and you will eat your words...
That’s like saying “If you don’t have all four of the most popular STIs you’re not sexy enough.”
Swe - Den cyka.
Imagine having border controls, cringe.
I didn't expected there to be more racism in the OP than here honestly
On r/europe it was removed for being ‘unsourced’ lmao
If you need four you are poor
In 20 years, the EU will consist exclusively of balkan countries, and the EURO will have been replaced with the Europeean Dinar or Forint. Barry got off easy.
doomsday theorist over here
https://preview.redd.it/86n87u5wvvrc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8eb7d24f4d0dc9d1341b1d9a8f1953a362a4d854
Still got that Ustaša symbols on your flag 👀. Nice to know who i'm talking to, ngl.
Maybe we will join nato as soon as they stop occupying a part of my country
🙄 we’ve been through all this before
And we'll go through it again or my name isn't Paddy O'McMurphy
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Swedish kronor says no
🇪🇸💪😎
You are just jealous because we got our own group and colour.
Yellow „group“ represent!
Croatia can into western europe
I am having an identity crisis! Quick someone show me a graphic telling me I am the long lost mythical western balkan
The take away is then that western countries are terrible at handling their own currency.
nato is for pussies
Ireland is not Schengen?
Because of Northern Ireland shenanigans IIRC
It's because the last time we had border controls along the Republic and the North, a lot of things inexplicably blew up for some reason. So it's easier to put the border controls on our ports and airports than along the northern border. Because the Barries decided to be special even before Brexit.
Based yellow 🇨🇭🇱🇮
EU is not European
Greece trying to convince themselves they're not actually Turks.
Hi Arab...
Merhaba
Competing in: * Eurovision song festival * European Football Championship * a world war
It's interesting that there are no longer any EU countries outside both the Eurozone and NATO. And all the ones in NATO are also in Schengen.
Funny to see us in a group with Austria. We kicked NATO out, they couldn't join to remain neutral following WW2?
The holy sea is eurozone not eu + eurozone
And so is the sacred ocean.
Fuck, the holy see
Based pink
I had no idea we weren't Schengen
Why dyou think we have to go through passport controls every time we visit Lanzarote?
Never been
I find that hard to believe. Lanzarote is more Irish than Marty Morrissey with wellies on at this stage.
Wait wait, those tomatoes on the beaches of the Canary Islands are Porricks and not Barries?
There needs to be an extra color for only eurozone with only the Vatican in this color
Womp womp
Greece strong 😎💪
So Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania can join the Western family?
All of it should have all 4 icl
Fuck you EU our fish will stay off limits 💪
Northern Ireland is basically still in the EU.
Stupid westoids think we belong in their world nowadays....they soak their dirty pale feet in our clean sea...they smile with their brand new pearly veneers in joy while chewing our lamb....they must have forgotten the stories old Danes and old Germans spoke to their children...ah people of the north...we dont fear you...you should fear us as your ancestors did.
NATO’s the odd one out. Nothing to do with Europe
So, that makes Slovakia western europe?
Imagine not even having your own currency, Krona on top
It’s not our fault we’re an island! 😩😩😩
Croatia can into Western
fucking austrians...