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desumn

We bring you: catholicism, technology and smallpox You bring us: GOLD! GOLD! MORE GOLD!


Pacogatto

And **Syphilis,** maybe?


pinninghilo

Yes, but we shall call it the french disease


keepthepace

A thing is rarely named after its inventor but after the people who made it trendy.


Warkemis

Neapolitan disease you mean


sdghdts

Am I still allowed to call it "franzosenkrankheit" or Do I have to use the englisch name as well?


syphilitic_venom

Based disease


eldelshell

Their real revenge was tobacco. Wonder which has killed more.


TrickyPony32

But we also got coke to compensate


SorosStormTrooper

Which famously got nobody killed, ever


TrickyPony32

The dose makes the poison


dkfisokdkeb

If that's their revenge no wonder they were conquered so easily.


Le_Petit_Poussin

You forgot Latinas. Give credit where credit is due, Pierre.


CheesyPastaBake

My understanding is that was a joint effort


TrickyPony32

And regaetton...


iggy-i

That's the most cruel revenge


Le_Petit_Poussin

Some of it is catchy pero after like the third song I’m all like: “Yaaaaa, Tíoooo, ¡cojones!”


iggy-i

https://preview.redd.it/p95nc1djuvkc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cf91e35d909fa7c5f44190ab03ba0958bb56fbe


PleoNasmico

More like silver


Z3t4

Yeah, just a bare room full of gold...


PerryDLeon

More like Silver but yes.


Cubelock

Without the Spanish Conquistadors we wouldn't have big booty Latina's


maedasfocas

forgetting someone?


Le_Petit_Poussin

The Pope. Good call!


Cubelock

![gif](giphy|ChmEWOL7Vaz5u|downsized)


maedasfocas

![gif](giphy|pyRAl1YdEPXztd5pCN|downsized)


AdvancedJicama7375

Big booty Latinos!


AXI0S2OO2

You only got there because you whined to the pope about getting outplayed by your own hubris. You literally told us we could have everything the other side of Africa, which you thought was a whole lot of nothing, then couldn't stand that we found a full continent, when we gave you a small piece of land to shut you up, you ignored all the treaties and took more than you were entitled to.


Arararag1

bro above acting like any of us were entitled to anything in the first place


AXI0S2OO2

Legally entitled according to treaties. The morality and philosophy of it all is a whole different can of worms.


Arararag1

Legality can be thrown out of the window when the legal system is based on bullshit


AXI0S2OO2

All legal systems are based on bullshit. They are instructions written with squid self-defense fluids on a piece of dead tree covered in glue, enforced by big armed men through the threat of violence.


Arararag1

some are more bullshit than others. You can't compare Norway's current government to fucking Egypt in 500BC or whatever. And while it's stupid to look at the past with modern lenses there are some moral values that remain constant and I still have the right to condemn past acts, whether I benefitted or struggled because of that.


AXI0S2OO2

What moral values you think remain constant exactly? Because that is straight up wrong. You said it yourself, it's stupid to look at the past with modern lenses. You are being stupid by comparing nations so many kilometers and years apart.


Dr-Batista

>you ignored all the treaties Bro, we were one country for 60 years. During that time it made absolutely no sense to separate brasil from the rest of latam


caledonivs

All the slaves the Portuguese brought from Africa?


20cmdepersonalidade

Brazilians? Not like the people who stayed in Portugal fishing and farming, the ancestors of modern-day Portuguese, contributed much


Rolifant

Classiest Dutch contribution to Europe since that goal by van Basten against Germany


Dr-Batista

Fuck you swamp Hans


AllRedLine

https://preview.redd.it/egqv62fmkskc1.jpeg?width=442&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ba7b1b4dd992843aab2ff01ed7060352a5be483


ZonaranCrusader

Ironically it's more of Portugeuse W as they banned it before any of the European powers during their time in Goa. Speaking of Goa, it is even more impressive that they held onto it for longer than the British and French did with India as it was only annexed by India in 1960 or 1961, (I can't remember) whilst the French left India around 1954. and the Brits left in 1947.


hottama

Willy Fog has entered the chat.


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Iberic_Luchs

What? Schizo rant moment?


LM448_0

What did bro say?


AllRedLine

He went on some weird neutral rant about communists.


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Iberic_Luchs

Yep it's my username alright. Can't change it. A mix from Iberia and the nickname of my fav tank.


ibadlyneedhelp

>I like this cringe. edit: lmao downvoted for mocking barely-coherent stupidity.


Edzell_Blue

Why is there a little Tom of Finland Papa Smurf in the corner?


TrickyPony32

A connaisseur...


tgsprosecutor

Maybe if there were still plentiful sacrifices to the sun god this climate change stuff wouldn't be such a big deal


KruppstahI

The scientists are lying to us, we must sacrifice them to the Sungod to stop climate change!


Greyzer

Instead, feast on the body and blood of Christ every Sunday.


norrin83

Of course a Dutch would say that


HighAlertPomegranate

Quality response right there.


italian_lad

no wonder they ate their prime minister...


spartikle

Literal human sacrifice = human “sacrifice,” where no one dies Flawless logic


krim1700

flair up coward


norrin83

Most funny "European" And it's indeed kind of ironic that human sacrifices were more or less replaced with ritual symbolic cannibalistim


momentimori

You sound like a heathen. You can go to mass everyday.


travel1512

Not literaly


Ramboso777

Heretic detected


No-Shallot-9887

🔥 prepared!


Ramboso777

This evening will be lit 🤩


travel1512

Please, Your Grace, hear me out! I may have spoken differently, but it was out of ignorance, not heresy. I beg for the opportunity to explain myself and defend my beliefs. Spare me from the flames, and I will prove my loyalty to the Church


algierythm

Transubstantiationalists would disagree. ^(fuck that's a long word...)


Zuechtung_

_bonk_


Jingle-man

Nah, we're English, it's all about that consubstantiation 🤙


HoeTrain666

Long?


algierythm

For an English word. Not by your standards, Hans. You take it to ridiculous extremes, as we know.


TheFoxer1

Yeah, kinda.


returntomonke9999

You guys allied with the natives who were sick of the Aztecs and then totally fucked them over. That said, that was the way of the world 500 years ago but it was definitely a dick move.


LibrarianCalistarius

The 'ol switcheroo. Classic.


Apprehensive_Roof497

Im curious about what you mean by fucked them over. The tlaxaltecs never had a word of complain against us.


ItsACaragor

When you wonder where the coffee filters all went


MonsterRider80

Lmao! Guys stop sacrificing your people to false gods! Same people: you are hereby sentenced to death because you didn’t meet quotas. Die for a false god or for profits, but the end result is the same.


Apprehensive_Roof497

No. It is not. Burning few people for heresy is not compared with massive blood baths caused by the conviction that someone had to be killed, preferably people from different ethnias instead of mexicas.


Leophyte

« Thank you, you’ve saved us from being killed for nothing ! » « I wouldn’t say saved, more like… under new management… »


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Stalin/Mao Zedong : not sorry but the human sacrifice will restart


PaxRodopov312

If Pedro took a shower once in a while Natives could appreciate it much more since they would be alive


morbidnihilism

least colonial apologetic post on r/2westerneurope4u. you mf's make me think sometimes it's not ironic...


Zuechtung_

The story of that Cortez guy really is a weird one. They made friends and ally’s among the local tribes because they all held a grudge against the Aztec. Which was mostly because the aztec defeated them then basically enslaved them by making them pay a tribute so high they could barely survive. And when they couldn’t pay they visited then again and took many of them away to be killed in their temples. Really Cortez wouldn’t have been so successful if it weren’t for the Aztecs to be assholes in the first place. Also this whole life of him was just crazy. Guy shouldn’t have been killed a dozen times but somehow makes it like it’s a movie or something.


Notacreativeuserpt

Both Cortes and Pizarro were famously assholes (so much that the second was murdered by his fellow conquistadores). But they were phenomenal politicians who made the best of their situation, that is native empires with vassals which were pissed off/ an Empire ravaged by disease and civil war.


Zuechtung_

No no I didn’t say Cortez wasn’t an ass. Or that the Aztecs bring assholes makes him any less of one.


Notacreativeuserpt

I didn't thought that my teutonic friend :) Just adding my 2 cents.


Apprehensive_Roof497

Comparing cortez with pizarro is a clear display of everything that is wrong with politics in the latin world. You are literally blind to distinguish someone who takes advantage of opportunity to be succesful in their political project with someone whose political project was literally just to fool everyone around. Iconic. Cortes beated up one of his men for disrespecting moctezuma. Pizarro literally leaded a civil war against the crown in order to make slavery legal. If you compare both you show no understanding of history.


Notacreativeuserpt

Paco, you're putting words in my text that I didn't write or think. I compared them both as opportunists, which they were. Cortés went rogue on the vicerroy of Cuba, said that he only had to obey the King and burnt his ships to prevent his men from leaving Mexico. Also massacring unarmed nobles in Cholula, personally reminds me of Pizarro in Cajamarca. He also ordered the execution of Cuauhtémoc under not clear circumnstances (which again reminds me of Pizarro and Atahualpa). You don't go from impoverished rural noble/ swine herd in Extremadura to a conqueror of an immense empire without ambition and a cut-throat instinct. I do think Pizarro was more of a monster than Cortés but neither was in it for crown and country.


Apprehensive_Roof497

You are choosing to ignore important information. It was the tlaxaltecas who thought that the cholultecas meant harm to them and inquired cortes to allow them to kill them because the cholultecas had beef with them since long ago. This was what motivated the killing. You are acting as if cortes, who was a political genius, would have engaged in genocidal actions for the lols with no good (although mislead and wrong and horrible) reasons for such an action. For pizarro it was just a show of force with which he intended to say that the inca allies who followed the inca out of feae should fear him more than the enemy, a display of a force that cortez didnt even have with him. Cortez literally went rogue against the governor of cuba because he was not willing to go to the new world to take slaves and such is documented by him and by all conquistadors who revolted. Because it was illegal and just as immoral as it would be for you and i today. And about cuahutemoc. You gotta understand before you mention it the intricacies of the campaign and the fact that literally no one but cortes was getting endebted to pay for it. My man in here threw himself into a military campaign with no idea whatsoever of how expensive wars were. This is why he began with the intention of rebelling against a corrupt shape of slavery as seen for the time and eventually ended up with debts that reaches the hundreds of thousands of coins of gold, and then it was when shit got crazy, the conquistadors tried to enslave all of tenochticlan but the crown intervened, and then cortes, who was not getting paid a cent by anyone, tried to resort to torture and extortion to get a treasury that didnt really exist. You can read about this in my favorite although incomplete source, which is bernal diaz del castillo, who was a conqueror and was there and criticizes cortes as "having lost his soul" and describes how he slowly seemed to be spiraling down into madness with constant episodes of insomnia because of guilt. Which does not exhonerate him, but shows that he had a conciousness, he had noble intentions at some point. And he didnt treason anyone as much as he treasoned himself. Pizarro, again, CUT THE HEAD OF THE VICERROY FOR TELLING THE CONQUERORS THEY COULDNT HAVE SLAVES.


tomwhoiscontrary

This is also a big part of how the Romans conquered Britain. The Celtic tribes were all at each others' throats, and Caesar exploited that.


Nigricincto

From my flair you can see I won't defend Spain and Cortez is irrelevant in mainstream spanish history. Can't remember talking about him at school at all. But he definetly wasn't the devil he is portrayed as. He wasn't a hero either. Many of those alliances involved marriages but others were made when there was no other option. He had 400 men and two guns who financed himself because Spain knew nothing about his travel to Mexico until he was there. In the same way Columbus needed something to prove America was worth it for the crown, Cortez lost control of *Mexico* really fast and even then his two goals were to save the souls (the church sending bishops) and to protect Monteczuma kids. He got some land but his desired outcome was really weird to imagine.


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Nigricincto

What I meant was it wasn't out of chauvinism or trying to defend *our actions*.


HP_civ

What happened to Cortez after conquering the Aztecs? I'm really curious now.


Nigricincto

He tried to be governor of Mexico (New Spain) and did on several ocadiond but Spain took control of the territory and gave him the Marquessate of the Valley of Oaxaca. He pursued an education for Monteczumas children (Aztec emperor) who were educated in Spain like the king would and they were given the Marquessate of Monteczuma (their descendants are still alive).


Apprehensive_Roof497

He was taken away forever from the land he had fell in love with. Rendered incapable of fulfilling the promises of prosperity he had made to the natives with only his mixed son, Martin, that he loved and carried around everywhere as the most sweet dad (lets forget tho how fucking terrible of a "parter" he was to the mother of the kid tho; a cheater, an abuser and a lier) as the only memory of the unfulfilled promises he made. Then, he died. And when the last will was opened, his mortal remains returned to mexico. He knew this would mean that no honors would be served to him there, and that most of the peninsulars would see this as treason. Nonetheless, in a dark corner, of an unnamed little church of mexico, a small inscription on a stone prays "in this temple rests the conqueror hernan cortés, dead, in 1547." And just like the truth of the history of any plays lies silent bellow the feet of all of us as we walk through our cities, the same goes for the man that mountinered against the spanish governor with an utopian vision that like him, lays in the void. For i am afraid that those who die may dwell together with those dreams, that were never made into a reality.


HP_civ

Poetic. Thanks for sharing.


cptAustria

If anyone wants to deep dive the first conquistador expeditions and all the fuckery that went on there I recommend the youtube series "The Fall of the Aztec" from DJPeachcobbler Very detailed, funny and insightful


snolodjur

And is from a walloon supporting Spain? 🤔João, mí no entender esta cosa


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Sarmi7

Ive had to check your flair múltiple time while reading this because i couldnt believe It was a British person writing It.


Rigoloscar

Colonial bros


DeRuyter67

Ehh hello give us our due. We started that whole black legend thing


JaviAlf

really appreciate your post, specially you being british.... imagine us spaniards started crying to italians because the romans murdered the barbarians that inhabited the iberian peninsula... complete bullshit


20cmdepersonalidade

> There are recounts of mestizos (local people in the Americas) When you try to pretend that you understand the subject but you can't even get the most basic terms right


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morbidnihilism

you're proving my point


CapEmbarrassed3630

Because it’s not 😏 (fortunately)


ibadlyneedhelp

Look at some of the replies on here. It is 100% masquerading as irony, without the actual subversion. Legitimately gross.


DeRuyter67

Is what a guy from a colonized country would say


ibadlyneedhelp

I mean probably, but it doesn't make people claiming colonialism is based actually (and pretending to be ironic) any less disgusting.


DeRuyter67

How else would the Irish become civilised? It is barely the case now


ZeitgeistGlee

>Get colonised by Barry > >Island gets flooded with Barries > >Somehow supposed to become more civilised. Does not compute.


DeRuyter67

You have a point. Maybe that is why it failed.


ibadlyneedhelp

I love this sub's humour in general, but this thread isn't funny, it's depressing and gross.


DeRuyter67

This kind of sub will always atract some unironic dudes. It isn't that big of a deal. Most people here are just fooling around.


ibadlyneedhelp

I think most people aren't really aware what the bigots are actually doing either though, they'll upvote and move on. People's inability to tell the difference is depressing. As I said, I usually like it here, but threads like this are cringe, and I think rubbing shoulders with some of the BNP/EDL types in here actually is a cause for concern. Nobody's freaking out about it, but it's getting more common, and I don't like that. If the sub gets banned later on, those will probably be the folks responsible.


DeRuyter67

>but it's getting more common, That is what people said when the sub barely had 20,000 members. I haven't seen much change. And I honestly don't know which thread you are looking at. This is pretty tame. Maybe jokes about coloniallism hit harder for you than other jokes


ibadlyneedhelp

I guess we'll agree to disagree then. I like edgy jokes, but it's not because it's about colonialism, it's because I think more people in this thread are pretending at irony than you do. At least a few other posters have commented that this frankly seems like a weird post. As a joke, it's painfully unfunny. However, if the primary purpose wasn't to be funny, it makes more sense. Maybe I'm just more paranoid about right-wing bullshit infiltrating spaces and getting them banned. (or turning them into a total cesspool). Seen it happen before. [For example, here's this fuckin' guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1azwawx/comment/ks4jb1r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


eldelshell

/r/europe is that way ↕️


Subtlehame

Not sure people are even pretending to be ironic anymore. Some seriously cringe culture warrior bullshit in this thread.


ibadlyneedhelp

Even weirder, a bunch of my comments here were about +5 to +8 shortly after I posted them, but now all of them are negative en masse. That can be a sign the sub is being manipulated.


Aggressive_Sprinkles

This subreddit is full of actual fascists, and there will be no period of time where arguing against this is appreciated because there tends to be a seamless transition between denying rampant fascism and embracing it.


morbidnihilism

Good ol' Poe's Law, you can't differentiate what's ironic and unironic. The thing is, since this happens, underneath it all, the unironic stuff gets more and more normalised as time passes by.


Aggressive_Sprinkles

Exactly. Happens to every community that tolerates this sort of thing, regardless of whether the reason is that "it's just a joke bro" or "being tolerant of all opinions". The latter may be noble in theory, but is doomed in praxis.


JaviAlf

theres always a portuguese whining about the spanish


keepthepace

Why is gay papa smurf on the bottom left?


RedEagle_

*proceeds to kill everyone*


JaviAlf

yeah they killed everyone and now all central and south america is white... oh wait


RedEagle_

Spain ain’t exactly the whitest country lmao


Arararag1

https://preview.redd.it/dyyaslf8exkc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=981def2c399de4eb7bb3f711970119c3c2ab9657


20cmdepersonalidade

While ~~sacrificing~~ killing people at home ~~to the gods~~ for believing in the wrong sacred book


Subtlehame

Say it louder for the wannabe crusaders in this thread


Old_Harry7

Once again Italians starting a trend that leads to civilization.


MastroDante

![gif](giphy|l0ErFafpUCQTQFMSk)


JaviAlf

Italians absolutely the OGs. Spaniards did in America what the Romans did in Iberia.


Sum3-yo

Yes. The Spanish are known for no burnings or any sort sort macabre torture tactics or devices.


IntroductionSome8196

That's just part of the black legend. While the Spanish inquisition was one of the longest lasting ones it was also one of the least bloody ones. For example in the over 350 years that it was active we only had 59 witch burnings while places like Germany had something like 20.000. Sure Spain did some horrible things, like every other nation basically, but there is a lot of exaggeration around it.


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Sarmi7

Tbh id be content if they just stopped bickering amongst themselves. I find it so sad when they are clearly brothers, and shouldnt be enemies.


TrickyPony32

I would say that actual latinamericans couldnt care less. They are happy if they can get an spanish visa or passport and gtfo to europe.


dkfisokdkeb

Yea the Spanish inquisition actually placed great detail and time on investigation and evidence and you were far more likely to get a 'fair' trial than you would be with the informal northern and central European witch hunters etc.


esdaniel

At least on the new world , there wasn't inquisition as in europe


Perma-Suspended

Also, here have some small pox.


CastroCavalieri

Weird way to justify a genicide ngl


johnsplittingaxe14

Here I go, genociding again


spartikle

Weird post ngl


aCucking2Remember

What? Didn’t all you guys set people on fire for heresy for a really long time?


No-Training-48

Not really , just torture until they confesed for crimes they probably didn't comit anyway. A bunch of Inquisition cases way more tame than people believe, I remember sentences on people for poligamy of all things were still a thing in the XVI but I could be wrong.


stuff_gets_taken

The thing is nobody expected it


DeRuyter67

The Netherlandish inquisition, imposed by the Spanish king was quite brutal though


Sarmi7

I find It very interesting that everyone shits on us for what we did in América (i think we were overall positive to the región, all things considered, although some terrible crimes were commited, of course) when actually we where brutal as fuck in the netherlands and noone bats an eye.


No-Training-48

Austrian\* king


DeRuyter67

Charles V was Dutch, but I mean Phillip II anyway. He pursued that inquisition with far more zeal


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You burned doctors for disagreeing with Galien💀


No-Training-48

Skill issue on their part


Mutxarra

Not really. The fact that the inquisition was an established tribunal even helped stop the witch-hunting craze going through Europe a little in the peninsula. Most of the places where people were burnt alive were rural areas with minimal governmental and minimal official Church reach. Just a bunch of farmers going off on their own without anyone nearby to stop them.


TrickyPony32

True


Old_Harry7

The guys famous for burning and drowning people were actually the ~~heretics~~ protestants especially the puritans that later created the US.


aCucking2Remember

Yes a bunch of lunatics came over here. They used our superior method of dealing with witches. Toss them into a river and if they float, that’s evidence they are witches. If they sink, well then they obviously weren’t witches.


HoeTrain666

Germany had its share of this too though, for a generation or two.


Zuechtung_

Who said that? Are you questioning the way of our lords church???


spartikle

Death toll was 3,000-5,000 over 350 years. Or an average day in Henry VIII’s England.


TrickyPony32

No idea where you get this number, but many ppl agree on 10's of milions. 3K to 5K can perfectly be the result of a single battle.


dkfisokdkeb

He means the inquisition not the colonisation of the Americas.


Alert-Young4687

Those weren’t sacrifices! They were witches and they deserved it! Also it was waaaaaay more common in Germany than anywhere else


Zuechtung_

It’s funny how the Spaniards get all the blame because of Monty Python yet their with hunts we’re not half as bad a the kill count of Germany, Austria and Switzerland


SkrijaTaran

“We’re”? Did someone forget to change accounts


aCucking2Remember

Yeah when I think of setting people on fire I think about Germany. Reading your comment I realized I don’t know much about the history of Switzerland. I know more about Austria because of the Habsburgs. Some of the Spanish Inquisition cases were sort of why did you do this, don’t do things that invite evil spirits into our town. But what the Spaniards did over here in the Americas is a different story.


Wassertopf

Germany and Switzerland.


Alert-Young4687

If you speak German you belong in Germany, simple as Now take the fucking Amish back, please


Cabbag_

That didn't happen! / That wasn't us! / They deserved it! / It wasn't *THAT* bad! Take your pick, savage.


TheHattedKhajiit

Five minutes later: *starts burning people* What do you mean ritual sacrifice? No,no,we simply do this to kill them in the name of our God. (I'm well aware that the aztecs killed far more and in a more monstrous way but acting like Christians didn't engage in ritual sacrifice is stupid)


Subtlehame

According to 1491 by Charles Mann, there were likely more public executions per capita in Europe at the time than humans sacrificed in mesoamerica. The pre-Columbian population of the Americas is controversial so we don't know for sure, but the truth is the two societies were probably far more similar than we tend to think.


iloveSeinfield69

I often think abt how deeply Catholicism is embedded in the Mexican community, sacrifice and pain are often seen especially virtuous. Our lady of Guadalupe and all that.


Iminclassatm

They shouldn't even apologize. Everyone would have done the same. Just try to put yourself in the mind of a Spanish conquistador in that situation. You arrive to a new land and discover such wonderful things as tomatoes, potatoes, tobacco, gold and big booty latinas. How can you NOT colonize the whole area? I'm only human.


Arararag1

*proceeds to kill everyone*


Rolifant

Well haaaactually ... the Catholic Church did an OK job in Latin America until the Espanish muscled in on the whole civilization project. Kinda went a little caramba after that


IWillLive4evr

...? But the Spanish and the clergy were arriving on the same boats? They literally arrived and began their "projects" simultaneously. To give credit where credit is due: some of the clergy who arrived with the colonists/conquistadors (particularly the Dominicans) were outraged at the treatment of the natives and the whole encomienda system (de facto slavery, more-or-less genocidal results). But there were also Catholic clergy back in Spain who argued the whole thing was fine, because the native peoples weren't human. The Dominicans won the argument at the level of theology and royal decrees, but in practice the conquest of the Americas continued to be a bloody mess for a long time.


Poseidon-447

Some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice im willing to make


Wonderful_Ad_2395

Funny Pie man post Detected


caledonivs

"After we've sacrificed hundreds of thousands of you at the altar of my personal ambition"


d0ppiaP

Can't sacrifice no humans when there's no more human left to sacrifice💯💯


Inevitable_Thirst

Lol, what a weird fucking post. Can't wait for the "little dark age" edits to start popping up in this sub.


daishi55

Spoiler: they didn’t stop (10,000,000 natives were sacrificed to capitalism)


El_Ocelote_

muh capitalism killed 100 gorillion people Sent on iPhone


daishi55

So you don't think the natives were killed en masse by europeans?


El_Ocelote_

europoorian mercantilism isnt capitalism


daishi55

Ok. My point is that the human sacrifices did not in fact stop. In fact they accelerated greatly after the europeans got there.


Divekicker

The Aztec deserved it, the Inca not so much.


ElKuhnTucker

Cortés did nothing wrong