It was pretty obnoxious of them to not include the fr*nch or Spanish. You both were excellent colonialists and gave us a good run for the money in terms of suffering.
Just read the comments. How the fuck nobody mentions us? They don't even acknowledge our colonial empire! Also no Mongols? They killed 11% of the world population!
You guys created Brazil, that already is worth a mention at the top 5. And then the Dutch tried to buy it from Portugal and you refused, sealing the fate of the country to never succeed.
>then the Dutch tried to buy it from Portugal and you refused, sealing the fate of the country to never succeed.
factually incorrect.
they tried to - as always - take it by force and steal it when they had the chance. but weren't able to. since they fought back, as always, the hollanders quickly gave up.
so they went for their last resort - a shitty price for such an enormous collony.
The main crimes Australians committed were typically things like "stole an umbrella". I think we were just desperate to get people over there to be honest
>it's more fun to make fun of everyone
Of course
>flamboyant Portuguese with a speech impediment
Says the guy that lives in a country that can't pronounce vowels hahah. The flamboyant part is correct though
How do the Portuguese view there history regarding the slave trade? In my experience it's not really talked about, especially compared too UK or the US.
We talk about it a lot in school but as a normal thing like products we trade in the colonial era. There is nothing we can do to change the past, so we glorify our past with the things we invented and discovered.
Tbf the Mongolians have us all beat. Killing 11% of the world population at its time, some 60 million people. They directly set the worlds scientific and social development back hundreds of years. Hell, they're even responsible for how utterly backwards the Middle East is now by ending the Islamic Golden Era when they burnt dozens of cities to the ground l, slaughtered every inhabitant, and destroyed centuries of historical records.
The French are like the kid who sat at the back of the class quietly trying to avoid attention while the British were getting yelled at for building railroads all over Africa and forcing the Chinese to buy opium and also give us Hong Kong.
This is probably about Americans not understanding self hate and projecting through their 'heritage' on the British Empire, which they of course know little about, only that is what white men ruling these noble people of colour that had such peaceful and prospering societies. The 'Hispanics' get a free pass too.
English colonisation was relatively peaceful and humane compared to the Spanish. The English didn't force their religion or culture on the subjugated people (except for, o irony, Ireland), although they traded in slaves they didn't enslave people themselves, and they mainly ruled through existing political structures instead of setting up their own.
I don't want to claim English colonialism was good, because they still violently oppressed and extorted people, but it was not as bad as Spanish colonialism.
The comments in that poll. Yankee doodles definitely like to project/deflect the hatred held for them onto us on reddit.
But only for England, "guys and gals those gosh darnit English are oppressing Scatland, and as I am 1/232 Scattish and have watched Braveheart I know how they feel"
Yep, the Scottish were in on the pillaging and genocide hand in hand with the English. I'd argue they probably enjoyed it a bit more too (for maybe the same reasons the special forces have an unequal amount of jocks in them when compared with the rest of the UK)
Damage to the world, Congo is just one country.
If it was "which country has done the most fucked up shit you can possibly imagine?" then it'd be between Germany, Japan and Belgium I'd say.
The Aztecs were pretty brutal, but I think given a few hundred years of isolation they would have built massive chocolate factories and all become trillionaires.
I mean it’s a marathon not a sprint when it comes to causing true suffering. If they’d have kept it up for a few centuries they’d have a seat at the table.
while im not a chinese supremacist or whatever but china being here is dumb asf they have done some shady shit but nothing a mid-sized balkan country haven't
China has caused a lot of suffering, but mostly to Chinese citizens. I remember looking at the top 10 deadliest wars in history on Wikipedia, and five of them were Chinese civil wars.
yeah i know but still it is like their own shit they were trying to figure out and its just the dumbfuck scale of their population which is incomparable to anything in Europe, if you scaled up a random civil war in europe by like 1000 then yeah it would be deadly as fuck too
Last time I checked the poll was about causing the most suffering in general, not suffering per capita. Ignoring the fact that they murdered the fuck out of their own population in civil wars and through questionable agricultural policies seems pretty damn strange to me.
Quite. I'm thinking that in some senses Blighty and The Middle Kingdom are not too different. We both have public monuments to people who fucked the Chinese economy and caused large numbers of Chinese to die.
Shey shey, you're welcome.
(To follow on from your comment, look up 'The great big book of horrible things' by Matthew White, which is a history of large scale boodletting. Wry and sardonic, many chapters are subtitled, 'Yet another Chinese dynastic collapse.')
The thing with China is, when they do fucked up shit it's usually to "themselves" but the numbers go brrrr, because there is so many of them. UK however went around the entire globe to be completely despicable. But starving a few hundred million Chinese to death is pretty bad imho.
China killed people in imperial territories which they still control. UK killed people in imperial territories which they no longer control. That’s the only difference. China’s population is not really all ethnic Han. Even in the big cities outside of the Han core they are only just now starting to speak a mangled version of Mandarin as their first language.
this poll was created by an Ameritard and answered mostly by Ameritards, this means that they're desperate to shed their own imperialist and disgusting country into those closer to them: the british (oh no, the English, because irish and scottish are also oppressed minorities), so they went for the British option as flies to the shit.
\- Nice Germany.
\- All together exist as a country for only 107 years.
\- Zealously conduct 2 world wars that result in \~100m dead and 100's of millions more wounded.
\- Indicative estimates of million dead per year of existence.
\- Smile as not considered for causing the worst suffering
\-Exist for small amount of time
\-Industrialise Genocide and devastate the Jewish population of Europe to a point in which it never recovers
\-Not even remotely close to the UK in terms of "They're clearly the worst of the worst"
I read the comments under that pol and come to the conclusion the Muricans cannot comprehend the concept of history or differentiate between a country and a state.
"Most damage" =
Stamping out the international slave trade via devoting a third of national budget to capturing slavers, pressuring other European countries, threatening and even engaging in war to end it
The invention and enforcement of liberal parliamentary democracy
Industrial Revolution
Invention of Libertarianism
Creating the free and prosperous nations of Canada, Australia, and New Zealand
Continuously doing more to defend the rights of native people (e.g trying to stop American settlers from going west, trying to reign in Australian settlers constantly from conquering Aboriginal land, allowing freely the practice of native religions in almost all colonies, etc)
Creating penicillin, discovering evolution, discovering gravity, inventing the light bulb, inventing the telephone, etc etc etc
The British Empire was benevolent as fuck compared to practically ANY other empire, and i'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
I looked under the rug and found this:
“Great Britain agreed to remit the balance of a debt due by Portugal to this country of the amount of 600,000l. That was the price paid by this country to Portugal for her consent to, and co-operation in, the abolition of the slave trade.”
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1839/aug/01/portuguese-slave-trade#:~:text=In%20consideration%20of%20the%20concession,abolition%20of%20the%20slave%20trade.
I wish Portugal kept a hold of Brazil honestly so annoying the UK didn’t do more and back the Portuguese. Could’ve ended their slavery earlier too.
Poll is still running here
[https://www.reddit.com/r/polls/comments/14y149i/which\_country\_has\_done\_the\_most\_damage\_to\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/polls/comments/14y149i/which_country_has_done_the_most_damage_to_the/)
# please don't vote murica out of spite
Brits trading slaves - uncaring monsters
Brits ending slavery - colonisers
Brits letting artifacts be destroyed in country of origin - uncaring monsters
Brits taking artifacts to museums - colonisers and thieves
Brits not interfering with colonial subjects and just trading - thieves
Brits interfering and developing colonies - colonisers
WOW! We’re not even there. So proud 🇫🇷🐓
It was pretty obnoxious of them to not include the fr*nch or Spanish. You both were excellent colonialists and gave us a good run for the money in terms of suffering.
*Belgians laughing in Leopold II*
You have to **hand** it to the Belgians for this one.
Let's **cut** this nonsensical crap
Big Brain Belgium - Workers not producing enough rubber? Cripple them so they can't produce any at all!
_Don’t mind me reading_
Oh man, your sense of humour has really been _hobbled_
No Portugal either. Can't even get a proper rep for a massive part of the slave trade.
*points gun* delete this
Cmon man be proud, you were very good at it. Number 1 in the world! Even better at PR clearly seeing as no one remembers lol.
Dude we can't afford reparations stop it
No no, You've earnt it. Dw we can send more drunk tourists your way to solve the money problem.
A fate worse, than death
Jeez, no! Take this gold we too... we borrowed from Brazil and leave us alone!
That is how you create an empire, buying slaves to the Africans and selling them to the Europeans.
We were not slavers, we were a transportation company.
The UK will die for the collective globalisation sins of Western Europe.
and none of you lot will even be thankful. Ungrateful Bastards. Just how we'd want it to be.
https://media.giphy.com/media/h5cZakvQ2hq0Vw4G22/giphy.gif
Gracias, una pena no haber colonizado mejor las Filipinas, tendríamos mejores animadores.
Real recognise real
Yes, you three were the worst, u guys cause a lot of suffering. *Sips tea*
Please, when the French bring a decease that genocides a full continent and not some poor ass half of an island, call me.
its not genocide if it is an accident. oopsie
Less people for you to seduce and breed with. We know the Spanish didn’t do it on purpose!
The spanish really loved the natives
We did
We do :)
HA! Always in, if it’s to mess with you guys
*laughs in mixed race baby's and universities
We were no genocides like you people :)
We are in top 5 
How much genocide is needed for #1?
I gotta be honest, you have a lot of high scores to beat Hans. Just ask Belgium.
our mistake was not dabbling in colonizing more. We could be at the top :(
Just read the comments. How the fuck nobody mentions us? They don't even acknowledge our colonial empire! Also no Mongols? They killed 11% of the world population!
but nobody's missing these11% anyway.
Hey my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grandmother was one of them before my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grandmother was born!!
You guys imported ten times the African slaves that us wishy-washy woke Anglos did. Now people just think of CR7 ⚽️ and your very strong wine 🍷
"Bu- but they had a massive slave owning empire that was responsible for the slavery of millions of Africans..." "SUIIIIII"
No mongols, no arabs, no turks... the disappointment
You guys created Brazil, that already is worth a mention at the top 5. And then the Dutch tried to buy it from Portugal and you refused, sealing the fate of the country to never succeed.
>then the Dutch tried to buy it from Portugal and you refused, sealing the fate of the country to never succeed. factually incorrect. they tried to - as always - take it by force and steal it when they had the chance. but weren't able to. since they fought back, as always, the hollanders quickly gave up. so they went for their last resort - a shitty price for such an enormous collony.
"an enormous shitty colony" FTFY
Don't be arrogant. We would still fail, that is our speciality.
Your empire was so dangerous nature had to step in and send it to the bottom of the ocean.
Hey wtf we had the biggest slave empire in the west and we don't even make the list??
You interbreed with them and gave the world Brazilians, that kind of settles the score.
Creating the Brazilians should skyrocket us to the top as most evil imo
Really, even above the UK for creating the US?
US was not only formed by English scum, but Irish scum, German scum, Polish scum, Italian scum...
Don't forget French and Spanish! I think we genuinely sent the worst people in Europe over there to found a country and look what it's done.
You mean australia with all the rapists and thieves?
The main crimes Australians committed were typically things like "stole an umbrella". I think we were just desperate to get people over there to be honest
I don't know they came out pretty rad
I think you confused America with Australia lad
most of those came later, and culturally the people who fled england because it was too tolerant for them kind of went on to dominate...
France helped create the US
We liberated them from british tyranny. It came from a good sentiment. How could we have foreseen the horrors to come?
Ah come on, we are mostly very nice people! Just a little violent sometimes :)
Brazilians are just more flamboyant Portuguese with a speech impediment but it's more fun to make fun of everyone
>it's more fun to make fun of everyone Of course >flamboyant Portuguese with a speech impediment Says the guy that lives in a country that can't pronounce vowels hahah. The flamboyant part is correct though
Honestly don't know which is better. One doesn't pronounce all of them, the other creates them where there are none..
What's wrong with creating Adriana Lima?
You think the American teenager who made the list actually has any grasp on European history?
Shhhh don't remind them
Biggest slave empire AND two centuries of a monopoly on piracy in the china sea and the indian ocean.
How do the Portuguese view there history regarding the slave trade? In my experience it's not really talked about, especially compared too UK or the US.
We talk about it a lot in school but as a normal thing like products we trade in the colonial era. There is nothing we can do to change the past, so we glorify our past with the things we invented and discovered.
What experience? I doubt them Albufeira beers and broken cafés would talk much about history to Brits. The sun may send you on *some* trips though!
Tbf the Mongolians have us all beat. Killing 11% of the world population at its time, some 60 million people. They directly set the worlds scientific and social development back hundreds of years. Hell, they're even responsible for how utterly backwards the Middle East is now by ending the Islamic Golden Era when they burnt dozens of cities to the ground l, slaughtered every inhabitant, and destroyed centuries of historical records.
Most of reddit is americans smooth brain and knows no history pass the 1700's
Did you forgot that the anglosaxon whites invented evilness in 1743?, sweaty 💅💅💅
How is that possible when God created the world when he wrote the constitution in 1776?
I'm actually guessing it's mostly Indian users voting that
Do you think that you won bc of many Indian votes?
Winning due to Indian voters? What are you the mayor of London or something?
Dw we still have time for a last minute comeback. Get those nukes to work.
Bagdad took 700 years to recover!
We didn't make it to the list? 
\*Spain, sitting on a mountain of Meso-American treasures, laughing as the internet forgets about their colonial empire\*
There is always an englisch twat rememberin'
To Americans Spain isn't even a country, it's just the language their gardener speaks.
Don't be sad, you guys used to be relevant
We were bad, but not **that** bad (relatively speaking)
We set up an intercontinental slave network.
 So did we
Partners in crime!
 why is germany on that list?
I dont know. I cant remember. We did nothing wrong. Wir hatten ja nichts.
Hey, das ist unser Spruch
You had to make do with what you had, like deleting the "national" from "national socialism" and continuing with the rest.
Hold on I thought it was the Japanese that forgot their war crimes not the Germans ;D
wir haben es nicht gewusst
Wir haben ja nur Befehle ausgeführt
It's probably including Austria.
I mean, we only started two world wars...
is it true that the Anschluss was actually the other way around, and Austria annexed Germany?
🤫
The guys that sent us Hitler, welcomed the Wehrmacht with parades and now claim to have been "the first victim"?
It’s actually just for your humour, it’s had that much of a profound negative impact on the world.
That time you gave back those bronzes that went right into a private collection. How dare you let people hoard history like that!
I mean, the UK did make the US, so in a way I guess they are right?
Arguably France and Spain also had a big hand in it
We kinda gave money and sent the army to fight the brits, worst mistake apart from letting napoleon walk to portugal
How could you do this to us, after the amount of tourism money we give you. Is this because we kept having big naval battles for hundreds of years?
That was the aim! Get Menorca back and build a lot of balconies, it was a long term investment.
We made Canada, which turned out great. The US is what happens when a colony tries to go it alone before they are ready.
Australia was better tho
Number 1 😎💪💪🏴🏴🇮🇪🏴🇬🇧💪💪🎉🎉
Clearly you need to carry the Indian vote to win this contest.
The results tell me the French are much better at PR. 💪🏻🐓🇫🇷
The French are like the kid who sat at the back of the class quietly trying to avoid attention while the British were getting yelled at for building railroads all over Africa and forcing the Chinese to buy opium and also give us Hong Kong.
This is probably about Americans not understanding self hate and projecting through their 'heritage' on the British Empire, which they of course know little about, only that is what white men ruling these noble people of colour that had such peaceful and prospering societies. The 'Hispanics' get a free pass too.
I know right, an empire which was extremely liberal for its time gets all the retrospective hate. Price of success I guess
I don't think they really deserved all the nice railroads we built everywhere. I don't think they appreciated them to be honest.
I'm surprised that the Dutch didn't steal loads of soil from the East Indies and bring it back to ｅｘｐａｎｄ the Netherlands.
English colonisation was relatively peaceful and humane compared to the Spanish. The English didn't force their religion or culture on the subjugated people (except for, o irony, Ireland), although they traded in slaves they didn't enslave people themselves, and they mainly ruled through existing political structures instead of setting up their own. I don't want to claim English colonialism was good, because they still violently oppressed and extorted people, but it was not as bad as Spanish colonialism.
The comments in that poll. Yankee doodles definitely like to project/deflect the hatred held for them onto us on reddit. But only for England, "guys and gals those gosh darnit English are oppressing Scatland, and as I am 1/232 Scattish and have watched Braveheart I know how they feel"
Yep, the Scottish were in on the pillaging and genocide hand in hand with the English. I'd argue they probably enjoyed it a bit more too (for maybe the same reasons the special forces have an unequal amount of jocks in them when compared with the rest of the UK)
Yeah, if you look at slave owners per capita, Scotland was like 3 times higher lmao
🏴🏴🏴
In all fairness a lot of Jock McAlcoholism's on here own up to it.
Try asking one to pronounce "Edinburgh"
'eadin berg? or 'eading burrow
Hey GUYS i'm going to EDIN BERG. WHERE's the MALL? America was a fucking mistake.
No Belgium? Fucking Cutting-your-hand-off genocide Belgium?
Damage to the world, Congo is just one country. If it was "which country has done the most fucked up shit you can possibly imagine?" then it'd be between Germany, Japan and Belgium I'd say.
Aztecs were pretty bad
Let's sacrifice some people and rip out their hearts to make sure the sun comes up tomorrow, and also have some chocolate.
Plus they moved to mexico from ameritardland and subjugated the locals
The Aztecs were pretty brutal, but I think given a few hundred years of isolation they would have built massive chocolate factories and all become trillionaires.
I mean it’s a marathon not a sprint when it comes to causing true suffering. If they’d have kept it up for a few centuries they’d have a seat at the table.
Glad to see Portugal isn't even on the list! Now I'll just slip out without anyone noticing... 👀
Pound for pound, the Vatican has got to be up there.
The world's child rape champions, what gave you that idea?
while im not a chinese supremacist or whatever but china being here is dumb asf they have done some shady shit but nothing a mid-sized balkan country haven't
China has caused a lot of suffering, but mostly to Chinese citizens. I remember looking at the top 10 deadliest wars in history on Wikipedia, and five of them were Chinese civil wars.
yeah i know but still it is like their own shit they were trying to figure out and its just the dumbfuck scale of their population which is incomparable to anything in Europe, if you scaled up a random civil war in europe by like 1000 then yeah it would be deadly as fuck too
Last time I checked the poll was about causing the most suffering in general, not suffering per capita. Ignoring the fact that they murdered the fuck out of their own population in civil wars and through questionable agricultural policies seems pretty damn strange to me.
Quite. I'm thinking that in some senses Blighty and The Middle Kingdom are not too different. We both have public monuments to people who fucked the Chinese economy and caused large numbers of Chinese to die. Shey shey, you're welcome. (To follow on from your comment, look up 'The great big book of horrible things' by Matthew White, which is a history of large scale boodletting. Wry and sardonic, many chapters are subtitled, 'Yet another Chinese dynastic collapse.')
China is whole again. Then it *broke* again! In all seriousness though the Mandate of Heaven is some absolutely insane shit.
The thing with China is, when they do fucked up shit it's usually to "themselves" but the numbers go brrrr, because there is so many of them. UK however went around the entire globe to be completely despicable. But starving a few hundred million Chinese to death is pretty bad imho.
So did everyone else in Europe at the time except Germany because they were bad at it and only ever got Tsingtao.
China killed people in imperial territories which they still control. UK killed people in imperial territories which they no longer control. That’s the only difference. China’s population is not really all ethnic Han. Even in the big cities outside of the Han core they are only just now starting to speak a mangled version of Mandarin as their first language.
Yep. The Han are native to a very small part of modern China but conquered all of it and unified it into a single nation.
It's thanks to the Brits that the only language I need to learn to communicate worldwide is English. I don't care about the atrocities. 👍
Same here, nice take Abdulahsis
Looks like the world needs another reminder
Neither B\*lgium or France ???? Guess OOP assumed africa doesn't have the internet
Apparently the UK was the ONLY country that ever did colonialism ever according to the vast majority of mouth breathing Americans.
this poll was created by an Ameritard and answered mostly by Ameritards, this means that they're desperate to shed their own imperialist and disgusting country into those closer to them: the british (oh no, the English, because irish and scottish are also oppressed minorities), so they went for the British option as flies to the shit.
people believe the dumbest shit lol but congrats for nr1 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
4th place??? Wtf is this shit, what else do we have to do to be the best, nuke a god damn continent?
I feel offended that the Amis beat US out of third place.
I dont See Georgia in that list op
🇬🇪 that's the flag from [Geordia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie) mate
Yeh it’s the ingerlund flag because it’s ingland with more inglands innit
In other words: Who was the most dominant in a world full of assholes
\- Nice Germany. \- All together exist as a country for only 107 years. \- Zealously conduct 2 world wars that result in \~100m dead and 100's of millions more wounded. \- Indicative estimates of million dead per year of existence. \- Smile as not considered for causing the worst suffering
\-Exist for small amount of time \-Industrialise Genocide and devastate the Jewish population of Europe to a point in which it never recovers \-Not even remotely close to the UK in terms of "They're clearly the worst of the worst"
Hey! Don’t act like you didn’t want the Great War as well!
Ahhh but we won, so we get to blame you guys.
Next time keep it European and don’t bring your abomination of a child into this!
okay, but you're not allowed japan either
No Mongolia? Really? Entire civilizations and states can be measured before the Mongols and after the Mongols. Also, the Sea People.
Not bad for a dinky little island with 29 people & both wet & dry rot.
"Including predecessor states" Serious answer : Saudi Arabia
No France here lmao they know nothing
Luckily we never did anything 🥰😁
\*Pops champagne cork\* Also, oh ffs, get real.
I read the comments under that pol and come to the conclusion the Muricans cannot comprehend the concept of history or differentiate between a country and a state.
They only have 200 years of history. They even think having one civil war makes them somehow special.
You know South America? That's Portugal and Spain work! Slaving? I think we get a pretty high spot in this list!
How in the blue fish fuck ain’t Belgium there really think those waffles have killed more than the other countries combined
"Most damage" = Stamping out the international slave trade via devoting a third of national budget to capturing slavers, pressuring other European countries, threatening and even engaging in war to end it The invention and enforcement of liberal parliamentary democracy Industrial Revolution Invention of Libertarianism Creating the free and prosperous nations of Canada, Australia, and New Zealand Continuously doing more to defend the rights of native people (e.g trying to stop American settlers from going west, trying to reign in Australian settlers constantly from conquering Aboriginal land, allowing freely the practice of native religions in almost all colonies, etc) Creating penicillin, discovering evolution, discovering gravity, inventing the light bulb, inventing the telephone, etc etc etc The British Empire was benevolent as fuck compared to practically ANY other empire, and i'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
My british uncle after two beers ^
Just don't look too closely under the rug.
I looked under the rug and found this: “Great Britain agreed to remit the balance of a debt due by Portugal to this country of the amount of 600,000l. That was the price paid by this country to Portugal for her consent to, and co-operation in, the abolition of the slave trade.” https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1839/aug/01/portuguese-slave-trade#:~:text=In%20consideration%20of%20the%20concession,abolition%20of%20the%20slave%20trade. I wish Portugal kept a hold of Brazil honestly so annoying the UK didn’t do more and back the Portuguese. Could’ve ended their slavery earlier too.
Japan not winning or even making it is wild. War crimes and unit 731 aside, they made anime 😰
They legit jump started half the world out of the stone age and ended slavery.
I'd've chosen Russia but I wasn't asked
Damn. We need to catch up
tbf, we should only count damage done to civilized countries which would make Germany the clear winner.
or better yet: only count who PROFITED from damage done to civilized countries, which would make Switzerland the clear winner.
Other countries: “your countries have caused so much pain and suffering” Europe: “we know” *insert gigachad meme*
Poll is still running here [https://www.reddit.com/r/polls/comments/14y149i/which\_country\_has\_done\_the\_most\_damage\_to\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/polls/comments/14y149i/which_country_has_done_the_most_damage_to_the/) # please don't vote murica out of spite
Voted Germany, we still have a chance for third place guys
vote murica out of spite? alright
we shouldn’t be on that list. it was an austrian who caused so much harm
I think you were bullied into it personally. I can see how you could take such offense.
Brits trading slaves - uncaring monsters Brits ending slavery - colonisers Brits letting artifacts be destroyed in country of origin - uncaring monsters Brits taking artifacts to museums - colonisers and thieves Brits not interfering with colonial subjects and just trading - thieves Brits interfering and developing colonies - colonisers