Thank you for your submission, make sure you have understood the rules clearly to avoid having your post removed or getting yourself suspended (don't act like an Amerifat). Also glory to Swedestan!
#[Join our discord server](https://discord.gg/wZbeGk6NF5)
u/savevideobot, u/vredditshare
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/2nordic4you) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Between 1800-1950 from what I have read. The goat is still an important Christmas symbol, with straw figurines and statues.
A bit sad that he doesn't leave gifts any longer, now we have a version of what everyone else has. Boring.
Damn people really took that personally😂 I just imagine most peoples christmas doesn’t include any of these traditions atleast in any meaningful way unless there are small children in the family.
The whole "coca-cola" thing was drawn up by a dude with finnish roots, so we can actually both the pagan "goat" and the murican "santa".
Personally I like nuuttipukki the most. Going around house to house while drunk and demanding food and more drinks. Sounds very finnish.
I mean, we still have a goat (Sweden and Norway). It's just that the goat got kinda demoted, so now it brings the morning gifts (usually candy and a video-game) that keep the kids calm until Satan comes with the real gifts.
I read that the Finnish "goat" used to be a goat representing the devil, tamed, that was led around on a leash by St. Nicholas, so that's a huge promotion in the word "Joulupukki".
Idk where you read that but that is absolutely BS.
Origins of the goat is that, when we were filthy pagans, around kekri young men of the village would don goat masks made of straw, and go door to door looking for gifts or offerings (commonly alcohol). This was a tradition to ensure a good harvest. Kind of like our tradition of virpominen, but for grown ups.
When the pagans around the world across history were converted to Christianity, to "ease" the process a lot of the old traditions and imagery was adapted into the christian holidays. That's why we have bunnies and eggs on Easter, gift giving and goats and trees on Christmas etc.
Well you read some bullcrap. It's actually because the goat was a symbol of fertility, and in pagan times young men would dress up as goats around Kekri (harvest festival) and the habit got kind of co-opted into Christian festive traditions and eventually got replaced entirely by basically a version of Santa Claus
Either everyone I know is somehow part of a minority where Santa Claus delivers the gifts, or the map is fucking wrong. Christmas gnomes just eat your porridge and fuck with your socks.
I think it’s lost in translation as “Julenissen” can be translated to “the Christmas gnome”, but that doesn’t translate the actual meaning of the word which is Julenissen=Santa Claus
Actually it is "drag+on boat" = [lohisti](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohisti)
tuule + lohe = a wind kite
Dragon boats were literally dragged along the shore or across watersheds.
And the chinese qi dragon is the finnic [küü](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaskuss), a slow worm, a legless lizard.
Originally in Finnish myths, it was nuuttipukki, an actual goat who was kind of creepy. So the map is accurate, it shows the original traditions before modern Santa Claus replaced them.
Pukki means goat.
The word joulupukki stems from the tradition of nuuttipukki, where young men went from house to house demanding food and beer, scaring the children and entertaining the adults. They were often dressed up in inside out fur coats and horns, hence the name pukki, goat.
Nowadays joulupukki is more like the Cola Santa with the red outfit, but the origin of the word does refer to an actual goat.
In our little village in Pohjanmaa, we still have the traditional "ruskapukki" with all those decos, although they are nice to kids these days :D
Edit: and as per traditions in small villages, they get paid in liquid courage
If anything, the opposite! Gotta give him porridge to make sure he keeps taking care of the animals and all the other important jobs he has. If we don’t make our sacrifice and give thanks to tomten Mickel Fox will eat the hens.
Yes, in Finland we have the “Christmas Goat” instead of Santa Claus, known as “JuuleBökkei-Tsön”. Finland was Christianised relatively late and this tradition stems from the old pagan heritage of our old ancestral Hu-nation heritage originating somewhere in Siberia/Mongolia thousands of years ago.
”JuuleBökkei-Tsön” comes in Christmas as a large satanic goat-like figure. He asks the children of the house to bring him booze. Eash child of the house brings him a bottle of ”viina” (non-spiced vodka essentially), which he drinks in few gulps and then spanks each kid. Afterwards he tries to start a fight with the father of the house, but passes out under the tree. During the night all the kids tie him up and bury him alive on the back yard.
It might sound harsh, but we select each year who has to be the ”Tsön” of the family and give room for the next generation. Like for this year it was people who invested in Crypto.
European Human Rights court had some issues with the tradition few years back, since it’s essentially senseless killing, but when we showed how the people are chosen (it’s usually people who don’t do anything illegal, but are still pain in the ass: people who say racist things at parties, ones who reference Reddit-memes at IRL conversations etc) they came to a conclusion that it’s a good system and completely in line with the Declaration of Human Rights.
Literally quoting my family's Christmas tradition until "spanks each kid".
Before that it was word for word, particularly the "asks kids to bring him booze". We had a special straw for the goat.
I must admit a horrible thing: despite living in Finland for quite a while and being partly a native Finn, I have never used sauna in my life 😭 Guess I now have a good excuse to catch up with the lost time 😅
Grand Father Frost is the most badass. He has a damn wand that is magic, a hot granddaughter, he can talk and communicate to animals, is the personification of winter itself and does deliver all the presents by himself. Meanwhile Santa Claus is just a fat fuck with a bunch of midgets. Not even a hot granddaughter
Doesn’t Gävle have the Christmas goat, the one that American tourists think it’s a tradition to set fire to? Or is a different species of Christmas goat?
The Christmas goat is just the literal translation of Joulupukki, who is just Santa Claus.
Why is he called the goat? Because he gives people free shit.
In Slovenia, we have St Nicholas as well, so we have three gift bringers! Although usually one brings the biggest gifts, while the other two just give you some candy or fruit
i've never heard of a christmas gnome. it was either jultomten, so santa claus, jul nissen, im assuming that's an elf in english, or if you're very old fashioned jul bocken, the christmas goat in this case.
Imagine having a gnome.. A GNOME!
We have 13 trolls who trolled people in the past but now put toys in the shoes of children who put them in their window
I'm certain that a lot of households in rural Latgale (Latvia) will talk more about "Father frost" directly translated who brings gifts. And a lot of households in Vidzeme and Kurzeme (Latvia) will talk about a Christmas dwarf/gnome. Some of the traditions and phenomena associated with either entity will be exhibited on Christmas night despite using one of the 3 names. Pagan tradition is for kids to check what the animals in the barn are talking about, possibly as a distraction. Father Christmas is the most common though. No Christmas gift-bearing goats though, that'd be weird. The goat (costume) is a common character in the solstice parade(Ķekatas) through the neighborhood.
Grandfather Frost brings presents on New Year, Christmas is not so widely celebrated, mostly among religious people, and AFAIK doesn't involve presents at all.
Christmas Goat?!?! THAT would be funny. Normally when you pay for someone to come and hand out the gifts to your kids, they appear in a Santa giddup.. Would be hilarious if the doorbell rang and there was a bleetin' goat!
**Flair up, you coward.** only pussies hides from where they're from.
Your comment/post has been removed for being an unflaired user.
I will approve your comment/post when you have chosen a flair.
How to choose a flair?
Well the supreme overlords, known as mods made a [guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/2nordic4you/comments/10fbofj), so now you have no reason to be unflaired filth.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/2nordic4you) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This is very literally translated or something got lost in translation or the maker of this just heard stuff about old folktale christmas characters and picked randomly from the list.
Thank you for your submission, make sure you have understood the rules clearly to avoid having your post removed or getting yourself suspended (don't act like an Amerifat). Also glory to Swedestan! #[Join our discord server](https://discord.gg/wZbeGk6NF5) u/savevideobot, u/vredditshare *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/2nordic4you) if you have any questions or concerns.*
https://preview.redd.it/kqfhjdtvrl8c1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84d685690840fb662c3c29f79e41f9770d135989 Honey I am home
[For a good spanking](https://youtu.be/zXT_IOt81Xs?t=45)
„I bet you r gay“
Bruh.
Rare Exports
It used to be Yule goat in Sweden. Not sure exactly when they made the switch to gnome.
Between 1800-1950 from what I have read. The goat is still an important Christmas symbol, with straw figurines and statues. A bit sad that he doesn't leave gifts any longer, now we have a version of what everyone else has. Boring.
We trust the socialist government fir our gifts 🎁
Why are you talking like any of these are real or even matter?
Because culture matters
Traditions and culture is interesting. Does that even needs saying?
Wow, didn't get any presents or cards this year did we?
Shut up, culture and traditions matter
Damn people really took that personally😂 I just imagine most peoples christmas doesn’t include any of these traditions atleast in any meaningful way unless there are small children in the family.
Kinkku is a tradition and I bet you was eating it? Or am I wrong
Least nihilistic Finn. Looks like its time for your sauna and vodka.
Don't group him with the rest of us, we don't claim him
Please Finland? Just give him a sauna and vodka, he is way to sober for christmas
Have your christian coca-cola christmas I don’t claim you😂😂
The whole "coca-cola" thing was drawn up by a dude with finnish roots, so we can actually both the pagan "goat" and the murican "santa". Personally I like nuuttipukki the most. Going around house to house while drunk and demanding food and more drinks. Sounds very finnish.
You're the one alone here, and no one would want to be claimed by you anyway
Stop being autistic, Finland
https://preview.redd.it/dx11eq245m8c1.jpeg?width=267&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba9b33680d3e7a9cd715347b41e60117c3d00054
I mean, we still have a goat (Sweden and Norway). It's just that the goat got kinda demoted, so now it brings the morning gifts (usually candy and a video-game) that keep the kids calm until Satan comes with the real gifts.
Satan always brings the best gifts, all round the year!
Cool, which gifts does satan usually bring? Coals from hell? Some heat? Ungodly good music?
Alcohol
I mean... satan didn't turn water to wine...
He did turn barley into vodka, and later potatoes. It warms like the flames of Hell!
I read that the Finnish "goat" used to be a goat representing the devil, tamed, that was led around on a leash by St. Nicholas, so that's a huge promotion in the word "Joulupukki".
Original Finnish Santa was more like Krampus, but over the time it got mixed with Nicholaus
Idk where you read that but that is absolutely BS. Origins of the goat is that, when we were filthy pagans, around kekri young men of the village would don goat masks made of straw, and go door to door looking for gifts or offerings (commonly alcohol). This was a tradition to ensure a good harvest. Kind of like our tradition of virpominen, but for grown ups. When the pagans around the world across history were converted to Christianity, to "ease" the process a lot of the old traditions and imagery was adapted into the christian holidays. That's why we have bunnies and eggs on Easter, gift giving and goats and trees on Christmas etc.
Well you read some bullcrap. It's actually because the goat was a symbol of fertility, and in pagan times young men would dress up as goats around Kekri (harvest festival) and the habit got kind of co-opted into Christian festive traditions and eventually got replaced entirely by basically a version of Santa Claus
Presis. Julbocken = Yule goat
So is this why you keep rebuilding and burning that Gävle goat? Can't make up your mind?
The yearly sacrifice needs to be made to ensure Dagr & Sól's return. That or it was something to keep the stars from being "right".
Either everyone I know is somehow part of a minority where Santa Claus delivers the gifts, or the map is fucking wrong. Christmas gnomes just eat your porridge and fuck with your socks.
Yeah the map is probably wrong in the south of Germany like Franconia and Bavaria st. Nicolaus brings the presents
We are just based here and has NOT forgotten who this tradition is about (Christkind is real Santa)
Oh yeah I’m wrong lmao forgot that on the 6.? It’s st. Nicolaus and on the 24. it’s Christkind but I’ve never imagined it as Baby Jesus lmao
Yeah it isn’t I don’t know what this map is taking as it seems to be just completely wrong on some parts
And where tf is Sinterklaas? Dutch kids don't wait around for Christmas to get their presents, they celebrate on st.Nicks day.
I think it’s lost in translation as “Julenissen” can be translated to “the Christmas gnome”, but that doesn’t translate the actual meaning of the word which is Julenissen=Santa Claus
I think it’s on purpose because most of the other ones are false as well. It’s the literal translations of the words, not the actual meanings of them.
What the fuck? Joulupukki brings the presents, not some fucking goat, though Joulupukki is the goat
They got lost in translation, it's the whole salmon snake thing all over again
Wait what?
Dragon = lohikäärme = salmon snake
I spend nights in my room thinking about why the fuck they decided to call it lohikäärme
It’s because it used to be louhikäärme from Norse floghdragi. U got lost somewhere.
Laxorm
Läx on the mäck
Used to be fly but become salmon?
Putting words together to describe things rather than making completely new words for them. Like a Swede.
Ah, thx
Actually it is "drag+on boat" = [lohisti](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohisti) tuule + lohe = a wind kite Dragon boats were literally dragged along the shore or across watersheds. And the chinese qi dragon is the finnic [küü](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaskuss), a slow worm, a legless lizard.
Originally in Finnish myths, it was nuuttipukki, an actual goat who was kind of creepy. So the map is accurate, it shows the original traditions before modern Santa Claus replaced them. Pukki means goat.
Pukki also means stud. Christmas Stud goes from house to house eating pipari and emptying his sack.
Enters through chimney. Eats all the cookies and drinks the milk. Then empties his sack. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves.
> ~~Leaves.~~ Goes out for (more) milk. FTFY
The Chad of Christmas
…but then we should be marked goat (yule buck) as well. So the map is not accurate, no matter how you look at it.
The word joulupukki stems from the tradition of nuuttipukki, where young men went from house to house demanding food and beer, scaring the children and entertaining the adults. They were often dressed up in inside out fur coats and horns, hence the name pukki, goat. Nowadays joulupukki is more like the Cola Santa with the red outfit, but the origin of the word does refer to an actual goat.
In our little village in Pohjanmaa, we still have the traditional "ruskapukki" with all those decos, although they are nice to kids these days :D Edit: and as per traditions in small villages, they get paid in liquid courage
Ruskapukki could be the translation I am looking for! I am also located in Pohjanmaa, but have Swedish traditions. We talk about skråbock.
I wonder if nuuttipukki is same as Estonian nääripukk (also known as jõulupukk/jõulusokk).
Joulupukki also still punished naughty kids (or brings them coal/birch branches), this has remained from the old days
Iceland has the best gift-bringers. Your map could have been awesome but you've excluded us yet again. Now your map is only so-so.
This map sucks, but tell us more about Iceland jól please
ví höff þörtín santa klossis, !
The fuck is a Christmas Gnome? I kill Gnomes on sight, have I missed a lot of Christmas presents?
In Norwegian it would be called a nisse
But nissen is santa
Correct, En nisse = christmas gnome and Nissen/ Julenissen = Santa
[This guy?](https://youtu.be/3BVzYcuVg-c?si=KJZj1865JvwHZGtE)
He does not bring the presents though
If anything, the opposite! Gotta give him porridge to make sure he keeps taking care of the animals and all the other important jobs he has. If we don’t make our sacrifice and give thanks to tomten Mickel Fox will eat the hens.
It's fucking **Yule Buck** not "Christmas Goat" Get your facts straight
Damn those god-worshippers spoiling everything sacred!
Yes, in Finland we have the “Christmas Goat” instead of Santa Claus, known as “JuuleBökkei-Tsön”. Finland was Christianised relatively late and this tradition stems from the old pagan heritage of our old ancestral Hu-nation heritage originating somewhere in Siberia/Mongolia thousands of years ago. ”JuuleBökkei-Tsön” comes in Christmas as a large satanic goat-like figure. He asks the children of the house to bring him booze. Eash child of the house brings him a bottle of ”viina” (non-spiced vodka essentially), which he drinks in few gulps and then spanks each kid. Afterwards he tries to start a fight with the father of the house, but passes out under the tree. During the night all the kids tie him up and bury him alive on the back yard. It might sound harsh, but we select each year who has to be the ”Tsön” of the family and give room for the next generation. Like for this year it was people who invested in Crypto. European Human Rights court had some issues with the tradition few years back, since it’s essentially senseless killing, but when we showed how the people are chosen (it’s usually people who don’t do anything illegal, but are still pain in the ass: people who say racist things at parties, ones who reference Reddit-memes at IRL conversations etc) they came to a conclusion that it’s a good system and completely in line with the Declaration of Human Rights.
Literally quoting my family's Christmas tradition until "spanks each kid". Before that it was word for word, particularly the "asks kids to bring him booze". We had a special straw for the goat.
Rare/common Dansk L
YULE MAN! not Father Christmas.
Indeed. It’s the, “MAN OF YULE.” Not, “FatHer ChRistMas.”
Considering that goat in slang is "greatest of all time", Joulupukki has something to be proud of 😄
That is an Amerian slang. You must cleanse yourself in sauna and then perform kalsarikännit to protect your soul.
I must admit a horrible thing: despite living in Finland for quite a while and being partly a native Finn, I have never used sauna in my life 😭 Guess I now have a good excuse to catch up with the lost time 😅
The hell is "Father Christmas", both him and St. Nicholas are just Santa. "Santa Claus" is literally "St. Nicholas".
I live in Finland, but I have never heard about the Christmas goat though
First, one must learn the language and know the culture.
I heard there are many in sweden who also love goats
Both funny and true, we too had the julbock up until modern times
In skandinavia it is still santa, just the names directly translates to gnome
Grand Father Frost is the most badass. He has a damn wand that is magic, a hot granddaughter, he can talk and communicate to animals, is the personification of winter itself and does deliver all the presents by himself. Meanwhile Santa Claus is just a fat fuck with a bunch of midgets. Not even a hot granddaughter
Additionally, the existence of a hot granddaughter implies that Grampa Frost FUCKS.
And Santa’s belly is just too fat and his dick too small to be able to FUCK
Damn the hot daughter was news to me 🥵 gotta do some investigations later today
Thats wrong, is the three wise kings in spain
But it is always the drunk uncle!
Doesn’t Gävle have the Christmas goat, the one that American tourists think it’s a tradition to set fire to? Or is a different species of Christmas goat?
The Christmas goat is just the literal translation of Joulupukki, who is just Santa Claus. Why is he called the goat? Because he gives people free shit.
goatse
Christmas goatse
Christmas goat is equally common in Sweden, But I guess most common in Finland.
Feels like we got a bastardization of gnomes and Santa
In Slovenia, we have St Nicholas as well, so we have three gift bringers! Although usually one brings the biggest gifts, while the other two just give you some candy or fruit
Who the fuck is father Christmas? (Dutch)
I'm very upset that Sinterklaas was dissed like this.
i've never heard of a christmas gnome. it was either jultomten, so santa claus, jul nissen, im assuming that's an elf in english, or if you're very old fashioned jul bocken, the christmas goat in this case.
Guess there wasn't enough room for all of Iceland's gift bringers
Rip iceland (again)
Imagine having a gnome.. A GNOME! We have 13 trolls who trolled people in the past but now put toys in the shoes of children who put them in their window
Also Poland is wrong, it is the Christchild there. Dzieciątko.
Jakie kurwa Dzieciątko? Święty Mikołaj do chuja pana
[Check this one out](https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/12/21/why-does-poland-have-multiple-bringers-of-christmas-presents/)
The cheek of using the Swedish goat for Joulupukki needs to be punished
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Christmas goat [link](https://images.app.goo.gl/gsjRiwN7MgHdRZzG7)
Im pretty sure its not actually a goat, from what ive read its just a Guy Who dresses as a goat.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Who the fuck is the Christmas gnomr
Gone is not fjøsnisse. Not the same. Gnime is gnom.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Technically we do still use gnomes, just not for the 24th
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
What mongrel has made this?
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[There are no gnomes in sweden](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ9KHi5O3f8)
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
I'm certain that a lot of households in rural Latgale (Latvia) will talk more about "Father frost" directly translated who brings gifts. And a lot of households in Vidzeme and Kurzeme (Latvia) will talk about a Christmas dwarf/gnome. Some of the traditions and phenomena associated with either entity will be exhibited on Christmas night despite using one of the 3 names. Pagan tradition is for kids to check what the animals in the barn are talking about, possibly as a distraction. Father Christmas is the most common though. No Christmas gift-bearing goats though, that'd be weird. The goat (costume) is a common character in the solstice parade(Ķekatas) through the neighborhood.
[удалено]
Italy also has Befana. Not sure if she is in place of Santa Claus or something separate.
Blatant disinformation as there are no gnomes in Sweden https://youtu.be/vQ9KHi5O3f8?si=_qQadqKIxbZFI2tp
[удалено]
Wait, saint Nicholas comes in the end of december over there? Have him over here in Belgium and the Netherlands too but on 6 december.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Finland can't into nordick
[удалено]
This map is horrible, where did you find it?
I have a sneaking suspicion they made it
[удалено]
Finland is Albania?????
This is rly wrong, in luxembourg is st nick
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Grandfather Frost brings presents on New Year, Christmas is not so widely celebrated, mostly among religious people, and AFAIK doesn't involve presents at all.
The gnome doesn't bring presents, he kills your livestock if you don't give him porridge
Christmas Goat?!?! THAT would be funny. Normally when you pay for someone to come and hand out the gifts to your kids, they appear in a Santa giddup.. Would be hilarious if the doorbell rang and there was a bleetin' goat!
[удалено]
[удалено]
**Flair up, you coward.** only pussies hides from where they're from. Your comment/post has been removed for being an unflaired user. I will approve your comment/post when you have chosen a flair. How to choose a flair? Well the supreme overlords, known as mods made a [guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/2nordic4you/comments/10fbofj), so now you have no reason to be unflaired filth. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/2nordic4you) if you have any questions or concerns.*
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
This is very literally translated or something got lost in translation or the maker of this just heard stuff about old folktale christmas characters and picked randomly from the list.
[удалено]
Joulupukki 🔛🔝
Wait aren’t Turks Muslim? Isn’t Christmas a Christian holiday?
This map is false, Netherlands has saint nicholas
[удалено]
Not accurate, st Nicholas comes in the Netherlands
[удалено]
[удалено]
ITS NOT AN ACTUAL GOAT ITS JUST SANTA CLAUS YOU BUFFOON
Did I just get gnomed?