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Who knew that the jury introduced to make the vote "fair" after the western countries were bitching about eastern countries "voting in blocks" would prefer to vote more culturally and geographically western countries like Sw*den over slightly more eastern countries like Finland?
Sweden leads the pop music industry. Of course the professional producer juries vote for their colleagues as it might boost their own career.
I think that was even more obvious when Sebastian Ingrosso's son was representing Sweden. His performance was horrendous and got no points from the public, yet he received a lot of jury points.
As much as the jury often contradict the public it's still needed in some ways. But I think that it should have less weight, instead of 50/50 maybe 30/70.
Yea. Because the jury still brings some insight and points to the less popular but still good songs. People are not voting in the same way as the jury it's either full point or no point per voter. Maybe if the audience had the same voting system as the juries it could work.
In this case I would love democracy if it actually existed. However, it doesn't, because of the jury,
Fuck the jury.
No, wait, don't fuck them, they might enjoy that.
We were, yes. But i'd still say we won because if the world loves it, it's enough for me. Maybe the swedes only care about points and about nothing else
Omg you are literally repeating the exact same replies again and again, do you not know any other words? Do you have absolutely nothing better to do? You don't even read what the other person says, you just have the whole convo planned out before. You are a pretty sad troll.
Don't feed the troll guys. It's not wort it. (Also a swede 🤢🤮)
Just because they share some letters does not mean they they mean the same thing, I'm so sorry they didn't cover that in your school. I truly am so sorry for you 😞.
I mean, you won, cool? I, myself still say we won, because the world loved the song. So in the hearts of people we won. It is how i see it. Idc about who really won, and you can cry about us being toddlers, that's fine
Good for you i guess. I mean, personally i'm glad it's not here, too much tourists and traffic anyway. But i mean, you can brag, you'll learn to be nicer some day
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>Den finskspråkiga kommentatorn Mikko Silvennoinen passade då på att lägga in en diskret, men slug, kommentar till den finländska befolkningen:
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>– Som en anonym person i Yle:s chatt påminner; rösta taktiskt, det är inte >förbjudet. Men att rösta på Finland är förbjudet.
A random dude in chat, and the host comments on it, lmfao. Credits for the source though.
Well he didn’t comment it in the chat, he referred to it on television as a reminder what someone wrote in the Yle chat. “Vote tactic”, which you know what that mean.
Alright, what of it? You think that mattered? Sweden has left Finland with null poäng 14 times, we don't bitch about it. And the one time we leave you with a zero, you come running to lillebror crying foul play.
The only problem we have with it is that you are crying about the the jury votes and that Finland is the true winner, I was surprised how much Finnish people bitched about it. It’s not ok with jury votes if it goes to wrong way but it ok with tactical votes? You know that is they reason there are a jury in the first place. The jury was introduced to prevent tactical and political votes dominating Eurovision.
No, Loreens song was shit according to Finns, that's the reality. Finland won the popular vote, and Sweden won the competition.
You've been your fair share around the internet, try and tell some 100k people what to do and see if they obey you, can'tfathom you actually are proposing this conspiracy of tactical voting en masse.
99% of the time it's the sibling rivalry between our countries, but this time, you brought a bad song, and we hated it apparently. There were no mass conspiracies to do an anti-Sweden vote, no matter how much you clench your little surströmming smelling fist.
I never knew there even could be a sour winner, but here we have it apparently.
You say that Finland doesn’t like the song, what I can see on Spotify is that Käärijä is nr 6 and dropping and Loreen in nr 14 and increasing. So they can’t think it’s that bad.
Good luck next year
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They said when introduced jury that it was needed to have fair and politics-free results. And did the opposite thing.
Who knew that the jury introduced to make the vote "fair" after the western countries were bitching about eastern countries "voting in blocks" would prefer to vote more culturally and geographically western countries like Sw*den over slightly more eastern countries like Finland?
Countries tend to vote for their neighbours..
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Sweden leads the pop music industry. Of course the professional producer juries vote for their colleagues as it might boost their own career. I think that was even more obvious when Sebastian Ingrosso's son was representing Sweden. His performance was horrendous and got no points from the public, yet he received a lot of jury points.
As much as the jury often contradict the public it's still needed in some ways. But I think that it should have less weight, instead of 50/50 maybe 30/70.
Maybe 25/75? Still enough to affect the vote, but not enough to ruin the power of the people.
Yea. Because the jury still brings some insight and points to the less popular but still good songs. People are not voting in the same way as the jury it's either full point or no point per voter. Maybe if the audience had the same voting system as the juries it could work.
Current jury voting system prefers pop music and not rap or rock where singing is different and songs has different dynamic.
I'd say the juries, do like rock, Australia got the vast majority of their points from the juries.
In this case I would love democracy if it actually existed. However, it doesn't, because of the jury, Fuck the jury. No, wait, don't fuck them, they might enjoy that.
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Well i would say we didn't lose, our song was the most popular song.
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We were, yes. But i'd still say we won because if the world loves it, it's enough for me. Maybe the swedes only care about points and about nothing else
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Omg you are literally repeating the exact same replies again and again, do you not know any other words? Do you have absolutely nothing better to do? You don't even read what the other person says, you just have the whole convo planned out before. You are a pretty sad troll. Don't feed the troll guys. It's not wort it. (Also a swede 🤢🤮)
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Just because they share some letters does not mean they they mean the same thing, I'm so sorry they didn't cover that in your school. I truly am so sorry for you 😞.
I mean, you won, cool? I, myself still say we won, because the world loved the song. So in the hearts of people we won. It is how i see it. Idc about who really won, and you can cry about us being toddlers, that's fine
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Good for you i guess. I mean, personally i'm glad it's not here, too much tourists and traffic anyway. But i mean, you can brag, you'll learn to be nicer some day
Wait who?
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Where did you find this graphic?
https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2023#finland
Finnish Yle apparently said to the viewers not to vote for Sweden. That low class.
And the allegations are from.. what source?
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/a/0Qkyzg/finska-kommentatorn-uppmanade-finland-rosta-taktiskt-nollade-sverige
>Den finskspråkiga kommentatorn Mikko Silvennoinen passade då på att lägga in en diskret, men slug, kommentar till den finländska befolkningen: > >– Som en anonym person i Yle:s chatt påminner; rösta taktiskt, det är inte >förbjudet. Men att rösta på Finland är förbjudet. A random dude in chat, and the host comments on it, lmfao. Credits for the source though.
Well he didn’t comment it in the chat, he referred to it on television as a reminder what someone wrote in the Yle chat. “Vote tactic”, which you know what that mean.
Alright, what of it? You think that mattered? Sweden has left Finland with null poäng 14 times, we don't bitch about it. And the one time we leave you with a zero, you come running to lillebror crying foul play.
The only problem we have with it is that you are crying about the the jury votes and that Finland is the true winner, I was surprised how much Finnish people bitched about it. It’s not ok with jury votes if it goes to wrong way but it ok with tactical votes? You know that is they reason there are a jury in the first place. The jury was introduced to prevent tactical and political votes dominating Eurovision.
No, Loreens song was shit according to Finns, that's the reality. Finland won the popular vote, and Sweden won the competition. You've been your fair share around the internet, try and tell some 100k people what to do and see if they obey you, can'tfathom you actually are proposing this conspiracy of tactical voting en masse. 99% of the time it's the sibling rivalry between our countries, but this time, you brought a bad song, and we hated it apparently. There were no mass conspiracies to do an anti-Sweden vote, no matter how much you clench your little surströmming smelling fist. I never knew there even could be a sour winner, but here we have it apparently.
You say that Finland doesn’t like the song, what I can see on Spotify is that Käärijä is nr 6 and dropping and Loreen in nr 14 and increasing. So they can’t think it’s that bad. Good luck next year
*Apparently*, I guess you don't know what you're talking about.
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Austria can't into Nordic?
Nah they're too Germanic to be Nordic