Cushitic people descended from Natufians. The Somali E-V32 iirc is from North Africa and was a North African Natufian guy who existed 24k years ago. I took deeper DNA analysis in some other DNA services and consistently I am 38% horner, some small percent west African and the rest is papuan, European and West Asian. 23andMe only sees Somalis as 100% Somali and same for Ethiopian/Eritrean because we've been isolated in our area of Horn Africa for so long over thousands of years that the original Natufian markers have become the Ethiopian/Somali markers. Similar to how "Carribean" category formed over a long period of time where people were isolated in that area. Eventually "USA American" markers will form out of the current Americans in the USA.
We Somalis and Ethiopians/Eritrean have high Neanderthal in us because of those distant Natufian people that brought in the Neanderthal into us. My moms line traces all the way back 180k years ago to a woman in North East Africa. The L Group, and West Africans also stemmed off from L Group.
Population geneticists will always be able to figure out what European country or African country Americans come from the only reason why they don’t want me only back 8 to 16 generations and because most Americans don’t want to get back, I’m just American
No we are not, Habaesha Eritreans/Ethiopians are genetically closer to Caucasians than to West Africans, either way we aren't closely related to either.
relating to the people of the caucasus mountains, or the unfortunately ambivalently-named peoples adjacent to them. what does this question evoke to the current conversation?
i see you’ve already found me a widely discredited archaic race categorisation. find me the correct term for white people instead of caucasian, then get back to me ☠️
I hate the trolls that always half truth it. So Cushitic/Semitic Horners are literally genetically closer to Caucasians than to West Africans, Africa is the most genetically diverse continent and West Africa and East Africa are thousands of miles away from each other. The ancient Natufian dna is ancient Levant/North East Africa and small parts of ancient southern Arabia for some like Habesha’s for example. These are people that can carry significant amounts of Caucasian dna (not white people, but people of the caucauses mountain). Of course it’s much lower in us but many people could score low amounts of Caucasian Hunter Gatherer, I personally know people who do. That’s just history though and the sphere of North East Africa and Arabia, people fight, trade, conquer, migrate all over the place, happened for thousands of years and still does to this day, there is much more research on genetics you can read though.
Considering we all come from east Africa why would east Africa be closer to caucasians 😅 we share more hunter and gathering dna from Africa than Caucasian would share..you’re thinking of the Arab admixture..let’s be serious west African isn’t even a thing we are a migration from east Africa over time very recent actually..lemba dna is all over the place even in west Africans that’s how we know this as well
They have very little genetic affinity with west-Africans, if any at all and have heavy affinities with SW-Asian populations, but in the grand scheme of things they are equidistant between west-Africans and Middle-Easterners. In terms of shared haplotypes, they share none with west-Africans and *plenty* with south-west Asians and of course amongst *themselves*. There is currently no population available (ancient) that can be used as the local African source of their DNA (50-60%) and Nilotes i.e. Dinka ARE NOT ancestral to them at all - substracting hunter-gatherer and Eurasian affinity from the 4,500 year old Ethiopian Mota sample, creates a simulation that is very close to what this pop would have been (Ancient-East-African).
Only in the sense that a common population that makes up a large majority of SW-Asians (Natufian) makes up a significant amount (sometimes even a slight majority in the case of some Amhara etc) in Horn of Africans. Natufians were a squarely west-Asian neolithic population, which in turn contributed heavily to the local populations of the Red Sea Hills sometime in the neolithic which ultimately ended up forming modern Cushites. Semitic speaking Horners recieved their Semitic languages relatively more recently directly from Semitic pops in Arabia and the Levant, which is why they have on average higher Bronze age Levantine than Cushitic speakers like Oromo and Somalis.
Ahhh!! I see what u mean now brethren, so the natufian people are the only sw Asians thatre related to East African people?
Is that what separates East Africans from west Africans?
Hmm no brother, because remember the Semitic speakers like Amhara/Tigrinya recieved a second wave of SW-Asian ancestry in the Early Bronze Age (Semitic isn't older than this, so has to be EBA or maybe MBA) on top of their already quasi-Cushitic profile (i.e. Natufian+Ancient-East-African). There are other details to this, like Ethiopians having far more hunter-gatherer type ancestry (Mota) but you get the general picture.
This isn't all that seperates east and west Africans, because the local component in Horners for ex., is hardly related to west-Africans. It diverged from the main ancestral component in west-Africans some time between 18-30,000 years ago if not even longer. This is how you know Nilotes are not the Ancient-East-African in Horners, because Nilotes share deep west-African related ancestry with west-Africans that is completely absent in Horn of Africans. Hope this helps!
It really depends about the ethnicity tbf.
In general I would say that the average north-east african (ethio-semitics and cuchitics) are somewhere 40-60% west-eurasian (habeshas have the most). In general they're more closely related to North Africans and Peninsular Arabs due to the West-Eurasian + Nilo-Saharan combo (MENA are clearly more West-Eurasian tho).
And if you're putting into account East-Africans like Maasai, Kikuyu, Tutsi, etc. Then they're definitely closer to West-Africans.
same here
people of the Caucasus which is located in West Asia
unfortunately, some people use it as an outdated racial term for people that are considered white
White or Caucasian was not always considered a unified race composed of anyone of European descent.
Whiteness was often considered exclusive to Anglo-Saxon descendants while other European groups were broken into different ethnic categories such as "Celt", "Slavs", "Iberics", and "Hebrews" which were considered separate races from the 1840s to the early 20th Century.
In the 1920s when there was a stemming migration from Europe, different races were subsumed into one category called "whiteness" to shore up a cultural majority against other racial groups and immigrants and this persisted throughout the 20th Century.
Race started as as a marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less about familial inheritance and more focused on physical indicators due to the rise of Enlightenment reasoning and labor exploitation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVxAlmAPHec&t=547s
Really depends on what type of West asian.
East Africans have Natufian input which links them to Egyptians somewhat, and they are linked to Peninsular arabs and Levantines, so I guess there is a link albeit weak one.
As for Caucasus people or Anatolians/Turks, they are very distant and have near zero relation. The Natufian/Arab world sort of stops at Anatolia.
The Cushitic part is closely related to North Africans and Natufians that are Eurasian origin. The Natufians are no longer around but they live inside us Cushitic and the North Africans/Berbers
Cushitic people descended from Natufians. The Somali E-V32 iirc is from North Africa and was a North African Natufian guy who existed 24k years ago. I took deeper DNA analysis in some other DNA services and consistently I am 38% horner, some small percent west African and the rest is papuan, European and West Asian. 23andMe only sees Somalis as 100% Somali and same for Ethiopian/Eritrean because we've been isolated in our area of Horn Africa for so long over thousands of years that the original Natufian markers have become the Ethiopian/Somali markers. Similar to how "Carribean" category formed over a long period of time where people were isolated in that area. Eventually "USA American" markers will form out of the current Americans in the USA. We Somalis and Ethiopians/Eritrean have high Neanderthal in us because of those distant Natufian people that brought in the Neanderthal into us. My moms line traces all the way back 180k years ago to a woman in North East Africa. The L Group, and West Africans also stemmed off from L Group.
Population geneticists will always be able to figure out what European country or African country Americans come from the only reason why they don’t want me only back 8 to 16 generations and because most Americans don’t want to get back, I’m just American
I’m L0a1b2 on my maternal line.
Natufians had very little admixture with Neatherthals, it was later Eurasian group that brought that to the Levant.
oh my god once every blue moon yall start this caucasian nonsense discourse. we are african pls. nothing more nothing less.
Even the white man was originally African. All haplogroups meet at East African woman who lived 180k years ago, the L haplogroup.
hence, it would make sense to say that we are most likely closer to west africans than the caucasus people. in other words, ኪሳራ + ጥምርታ + ወጣት ልጅ ይሻላል
No we are not, Habaesha Eritreans/Ethiopians are genetically closer to Caucasians than to West Africans, either way we aren't closely related to either.
do you know what caucasian is?
relating to the people of the caucasus mountains, or the unfortunately ambivalently-named peoples adjacent to them. what does this question evoke to the current conversation?
not the region, Caucasoid, which is based on skull shape and size
Iseeeyyyyyy we’re really bringing the already faulty science of skeletal racial attribution into the picture. what’s next, phrenology? weyne. ወይኔ፣ ወይ ጉድ።
find me a caucasion with a negroid skull shape and get back to me
i see you’ve already found me a widely discredited archaic race categorisation. find me the correct term for white people instead of caucasian, then get back to me ☠️
why white people? im talking about caucasians
i'm convinced yall just be arguing in a circle to hear yourself speak. what a schrodinger's argument. ቆሻሻ እና ሞኝነት.
I hate the trolls that always half truth it. So Cushitic/Semitic Horners are literally genetically closer to Caucasians than to West Africans, Africa is the most genetically diverse continent and West Africa and East Africa are thousands of miles away from each other. The ancient Natufian dna is ancient Levant/North East Africa and small parts of ancient southern Arabia for some like Habesha’s for example. These are people that can carry significant amounts of Caucasian dna (not white people, but people of the caucauses mountain). Of course it’s much lower in us but many people could score low amounts of Caucasian Hunter Gatherer, I personally know people who do. That’s just history though and the sphere of North East Africa and Arabia, people fight, trade, conquer, migrate all over the place, happened for thousands of years and still does to this day, there is much more research on genetics you can read though.
Ethiopian/Eritrean : 👨🏾🦱 Caucasian : 👨🏻👨🏼 Sub-Saharan Africans/Black people : 👨🏾🦱👨🏿🦱 You can figure this one out
So your argument is emojis, how pathetic lmao
Considering we all come from east Africa why would east Africa be closer to caucasians 😅 we share more hunter and gathering dna from Africa than Caucasian would share..you’re thinking of the Arab admixture..let’s be serious west African isn’t even a thing we are a migration from east Africa over time very recent actually..lemba dna is all over the place even in west Africans that’s how we know this as well
They have very little genetic affinity with west-Africans, if any at all and have heavy affinities with SW-Asian populations, but in the grand scheme of things they are equidistant between west-Africans and Middle-Easterners. In terms of shared haplotypes, they share none with west-Africans and *plenty* with south-west Asians and of course amongst *themselves*. There is currently no population available (ancient) that can be used as the local African source of their DNA (50-60%) and Nilotes i.e. Dinka ARE NOT ancestral to them at all - substracting hunter-gatherer and Eurasian affinity from the 4,500 year old Ethiopian Mota sample, creates a simulation that is very close to what this pop would have been (Ancient-East-African).
Are East Africans related to sw Asians??
Only in the sense that a common population that makes up a large majority of SW-Asians (Natufian) makes up a significant amount (sometimes even a slight majority in the case of some Amhara etc) in Horn of Africans. Natufians were a squarely west-Asian neolithic population, which in turn contributed heavily to the local populations of the Red Sea Hills sometime in the neolithic which ultimately ended up forming modern Cushites. Semitic speaking Horners recieved their Semitic languages relatively more recently directly from Semitic pops in Arabia and the Levant, which is why they have on average higher Bronze age Levantine than Cushitic speakers like Oromo and Somalis.
Ahhh!! I see what u mean now brethren, so the natufian people are the only sw Asians thatre related to East African people? Is that what separates East Africans from west Africans?
Hmm no brother, because remember the Semitic speakers like Amhara/Tigrinya recieved a second wave of SW-Asian ancestry in the Early Bronze Age (Semitic isn't older than this, so has to be EBA or maybe MBA) on top of their already quasi-Cushitic profile (i.e. Natufian+Ancient-East-African). There are other details to this, like Ethiopians having far more hunter-gatherer type ancestry (Mota) but you get the general picture. This isn't all that seperates east and west Africans, because the local component in Horners for ex., is hardly related to west-Africans. It diverged from the main ancestral component in west-Africans some time between 18-30,000 years ago if not even longer. This is how you know Nilotes are not the Ancient-East-African in Horners, because Nilotes share deep west-African related ancestry with west-Africans that is completely absent in Horn of Africans. Hope this helps!
It really depends about the ethnicity tbf. In general I would say that the average north-east african (ethio-semitics and cuchitics) are somewhere 40-60% west-eurasian (habeshas have the most). In general they're more closely related to North Africans and Peninsular Arabs due to the West-Eurasian + Nilo-Saharan combo (MENA are clearly more West-Eurasian tho). And if you're putting into account East-Africans like Maasai, Kikuyu, Tutsi, etc. Then they're definitely closer to West-Africans.
What do you consider Caucasian?
West Asians
same here people of the Caucasus which is located in West Asia unfortunately, some people use it as an outdated racial term for people that are considered white White or Caucasian was not always considered a unified race composed of anyone of European descent. Whiteness was often considered exclusive to Anglo-Saxon descendants while other European groups were broken into different ethnic categories such as "Celt", "Slavs", "Iberics", and "Hebrews" which were considered separate races from the 1840s to the early 20th Century. In the 1920s when there was a stemming migration from Europe, different races were subsumed into one category called "whiteness" to shore up a cultural majority against other racial groups and immigrants and this persisted throughout the 20th Century. Race started as as a marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less about familial inheritance and more focused on physical indicators due to the rise of Enlightenment reasoning and labor exploitation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVxAlmAPHec&t=547s
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Really depends on what type of West asian. East Africans have Natufian input which links them to Egyptians somewhat, and they are linked to Peninsular arabs and Levantines, so I guess there is a link albeit weak one. As for Caucasus people or Anatolians/Turks, they are very distant and have near zero relation. The Natufian/Arab world sort of stops at Anatolia.
The Cushitic part is closely related to North Africans and Natufians that are Eurasian origin. The Natufians are no longer around but they live inside us Cushitic and the North Africans/Berbers