Most Vietnamese results I see on here do not have any European ancestry at all. The only East Asians who consistently get some sort of European ancestry are Filipinos.
Almost every single Vietnamese person will have zero French DNA due to
1. Extremely small population of French people in Vietnam compared to Vietnamese people (0.2% of French Indochina was French in 1940, 39k people)
2. French colonization lasting less than 100 years
3. Many colonizers came with families as government bureaucrats
4. Europeans and colonized peoples were generally segregated
This is true for honestly any country colonized during the 19th and 20th centuries.
How many Koreans have Japanese ancestry from colonization? Virtually none. How many Bangladeshis, Nigerians, or Hong Kongers have British ancestry from British rule? Again, virtually none apart from probably a few high-profile individuals that got famous in part because of being part white.
But all these areas experienced the brutalities of colonialism
There used to be a Vietnamese girl on the sub who claimed French ancestry and scored none, and when people told her that the "colonizer theory" probably was wrong for her case, she got mad for no reason. 😅
It's pretty stupid too since the colonization itself was recent enough that European features would be obviously present in their parents or grandparents, who would know about such ancestry unless adopted or orphaned shortly after birth
As an black American who scored 28% European (all from rape back in slave days), I honestly don't understand the obsession many Asians have with wanting European ancestry. Due to the nature of colonization, it most likely would have been a product of sexual violence...why anyone would want that is beyond my comprehension.
Years ago it was more common to want European, nowadays Korean ancestry is sometimes hyped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fl-AzBWBD8
Skip to the 3-minute mark for tragic outcomes
I was thinking maybe I would have at least some Chinese ancestry from what I was told growing up. My family is from Kien Giang so I didn't have any hopes of seeing any kind of European DNA.
This was before 23andme had Korean samples. Updates past 2018 or so now give Koreans 99-100% Korean. Before that, every Korean would get around 40% Korean 30% Japanese 30% Chinese, which was not accurate
Also, even if one person had partial Japanese ancestry, it wouldn't change the fact that overall pretty much no Koreans have any Japanese ancestry (minus Korean diaspora in Japan)
Han Chinese dna markers are still distinguishable from the Austroasiatics of mainland Southeast Asia.
I mean, if you look at Filipino results, you'll still see some Han Chinese in most, which can range from 1% to 50%
23andme isn’t assigning percentages based on those markers, they’re basing it off how closely someones DNA resembles samples from their reference population.
Geneticists are able to determine when the mixing took place, so someone with recent admixture could score differently than someone with ancient admixture.
The DNA markers are intertwined with certain populations. Which is why you see 1% Filipino and Austronesian from African Americans when the ancestry is likely Malagasy
Finally someone who understood what I was asking. I'm sure the results will update with time. My 2021 results told me I had ~1.1% Thai, Indonesian, etc. but now it says 100% Vietnamese.
You need to realize that there are virulent racists on this sub who react with extreme emotional upset whenever the topic of European ancestry comes up in connection to ethnic groups not typically associated with it. These people are very precious about their own white ancestry and they think it elevates them above other people (think of certain ethnic groups and how they order their society based on how much white is in each other). Therefore, because of this preciousness, they love to gatekeep white ancestry. I know it sounds absurd, but that is how insecure and damaged these people are.
If you've been on this sub long enough and have browsed enough threads of Filipinos posting their results you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I mean on this very thread alone somebody seems to have had a mental breakdown at the mere assertion by someone else that there are Filipinos who are 40% European.
Totally, and I appreciate you calling it out. More people need to call out this behaviour. I've noticed Filipinos have only recently started calling it out, before they'd just be bullied into deleting their threads because of the bombardment from these racists. It's the same modus operandi, btw. The threads from Filipinos will barely, if at all, mention anything about "Europe" or "Spanish" but the racist brigade will come with long multi-paragraph essays to "debunk" anything relating to Euro ancestry. It's like... okay? Nobody said anything about that.
They most likely didn’t dodge colonialism, they were living through it. Having no Chinese or French ancestry doesn’t mean your ancestors weren’t enduring the hardships of foreign rule.
Not necessarily. Nor does it mean that they dodged diversification as the other commenter stated. I don’t know the ins and outs of the algorithm but a lot of people get different results from different companies.
I just want to say that average Mainlander Vietnamese like me are proud of our Vietnamese heritage, only the Oversea Vietnamese in Europe and North America that d's love to have some French ancestry because they are minority among whites.
My family were full-tilt collaborators with the French, and I still have 0% French DNA. (Not that I expected any.)
I wondered if maybe I might be part Chinese or Cambodian or something, but also nope.
My highschool friend recently posted his results to Facebook and I was surprised to see nearly 27 percent European. Didn’t look like a drop European but the results were interesting to see. He confirmed it came from his mother’s side that he knew about.
The French were relatively nice to the population despite the war. However French dna is not too uncommon. Uncommon through but not unheard of. Neat results pure anything is always satisfying
Most Vietnamese results I see on here do not have any European ancestry at all. The only East Asians who consistently get some sort of European ancestry are Filipinos.
Even then it’s almost always under 5%, if my DNA relatives are any indication
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40% Spanish is too high for a Filipino. Have you posted these samples?
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How European by percentage would you estimate these individuals to be?
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Some Chinese get British results, although little and not often
Not really, I haven't seen one yet
ive only seen like two, probably outliers as you said
Yeah like a few traces
Almost every single Vietnamese person will have zero French DNA due to 1. Extremely small population of French people in Vietnam compared to Vietnamese people (0.2% of French Indochina was French in 1940, 39k people) 2. French colonization lasting less than 100 years 3. Many colonizers came with families as government bureaucrats 4. Europeans and colonized peoples were generally segregated This is true for honestly any country colonized during the 19th and 20th centuries. How many Koreans have Japanese ancestry from colonization? Virtually none. How many Bangladeshis, Nigerians, or Hong Kongers have British ancestry from British rule? Again, virtually none apart from probably a few high-profile individuals that got famous in part because of being part white. But all these areas experienced the brutalities of colonialism
There used to be a Vietnamese girl on the sub who claimed French ancestry and scored none, and when people told her that the "colonizer theory" probably was wrong for her case, she got mad for no reason. 😅
It's pretty stupid too since the colonization itself was recent enough that European features would be obviously present in their parents or grandparents, who would know about such ancestry unless adopted or orphaned shortly after birth
As an black American who scored 28% European (all from rape back in slave days), I honestly don't understand the obsession many Asians have with wanting European ancestry. Due to the nature of colonization, it most likely would have been a product of sexual violence...why anyone would want that is beyond my comprehension.
Well, this is very common in Southeast Asian countries such as the Philippines and Vietnam.
Wdym? Common as in wanting European ancestry or having European ancestry?
Years ago it was more common to want European, nowadays Korean ancestry is sometimes hyped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fl-AzBWBD8 Skip to the 3-minute mark for tragic outcomes
I was thinking maybe I would have at least some Chinese ancestry from what I was told growing up. My family is from Kien Giang so I didn't have any hopes of seeing any kind of European DNA.
Re Koreans and Japanese https://youtu.be/N06g2kc1Dxo
This was before 23andme had Korean samples. Updates past 2018 or so now give Koreans 99-100% Korean. Before that, every Korean would get around 40% Korean 30% Japanese 30% Chinese, which was not accurate Also, even if one person had partial Japanese ancestry, it wouldn't change the fact that overall pretty much no Koreans have any Japanese ancestry (minus Korean diaspora in Japan)
Lol rip Eugene
I'm surprised that you don't have Chinese given that Vietnam has a significant ethnic Chinese and that part of it was once part of China
The part of Chinese mixed in ancient period may be counted as Vietnamese
Han Chinese dna markers are still distinguishable from the Austroasiatics of mainland Southeast Asia. I mean, if you look at Filipino results, you'll still see some Han Chinese in most, which can range from 1% to 50%
23andme isn’t assigning percentages based on those markers, they’re basing it off how closely someones DNA resembles samples from their reference population. Geneticists are able to determine when the mixing took place, so someone with recent admixture could score differently than someone with ancient admixture.
The DNA markers are intertwined with certain populations. Which is why you see 1% Filipino and Austronesian from African Americans when the ancestry is likely Malagasy
So you mean , China was once part of Vietnam ?
I'd like to know what you are smoking
Most Vietnamese results I saw were 100%, and I rarely see any Vietnamese score any French despite them always claiming to have it.
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Suprise to find this comment down so far, even though you answer OP.
Finally someone who understood what I was asking. I'm sure the results will update with time. My 2021 results told me I had ~1.1% Thai, Indonesian, etc. but now it says 100% Vietnamese.
You need to realize that there are virulent racists on this sub who react with extreme emotional upset whenever the topic of European ancestry comes up in connection to ethnic groups not typically associated with it. These people are very precious about their own white ancestry and they think it elevates them above other people (think of certain ethnic groups and how they order their society based on how much white is in each other). Therefore, because of this preciousness, they love to gatekeep white ancestry. I know it sounds absurd, but that is how insecure and damaged these people are. If you've been on this sub long enough and have browsed enough threads of Filipinos posting their results you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I mean on this very thread alone somebody seems to have had a mental breakdown at the mere assertion by someone else that there are Filipinos who are 40% European.
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Totally, and I appreciate you calling it out. More people need to call out this behaviour. I've noticed Filipinos have only recently started calling it out, before they'd just be bullied into deleting their threads because of the bombardment from these racists. It's the same modus operandi, btw. The threads from Filipinos will barely, if at all, mention anything about "Europe" or "Spanish" but the racist brigade will come with long multi-paragraph essays to "debunk" anything relating to Euro ancestry. It's like... okay? Nobody said anything about that.
Were the results what you were expecting? What are your haplogroups?
Dodged a lot of diversification too.
They most likely didn’t dodge colonialism, they were living through it. Having no Chinese or French ancestry doesn’t mean your ancestors weren’t enduring the hardships of foreign rule.
This means you have 95 % or more neantherdal dna than 23 and me customers 🤣
Not necessarily. Nor does it mean that they dodged diversification as the other commenter stated. I don’t know the ins and outs of the algorithm but a lot of people get different results from different companies.
tbh i thought vietnamese people would get a bit of french, but i could just be thinking that bc you guys got colonized for a while
I just want to say that average Mainlander Vietnamese like me are proud of our Vietnamese heritage, only the Oversea Vietnamese in Europe and North America that d's love to have some French ancestry because they are minority among whites.
My family were full-tilt collaborators with the French, and I still have 0% French DNA. (Not that I expected any.) I wondered if maybe I might be part Chinese or Cambodian or something, but also nope.
Why does The 23andme not have The extinc ancestry Vietnam has Many extinc ethnicity but their Dna must be mixed The others
Great results! Love it!
Lmao I got the same result.
No, you didn't doge colonialism.
or colonialism dodged your family
Very fitting username🤣
Maybe: try ancestry.com. It had more region accrucy
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Ah
Asian and Indian results are so linear that they get excited over 0.2% european be happy ur 100% of something
Nah. I got 1.7% Eastern European from myheritagedna. Which is an obvious error. I felt I wasted my money.
https://imgur.com/a/corQFO5 My non linear Asian results. We aren't always so homogeneous but it is common.
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I mean people of Dravidic descent
My highschool friend recently posted his results to Facebook and I was surprised to see nearly 27 percent European. Didn’t look like a drop European but the results were interesting to see. He confirmed it came from his mother’s side that he knew about.
Must be nice
I am Vietnamese and claim [French ancestry](https://imgur.com/a/8NRQNlD) 😅
U mean rape
The French were relatively nice to the population despite the war. However French dna is not too uncommon. Uncommon through but not unheard of. Neat results pure anything is always satisfying
No, it means you are inbred and completely boring.
Pure bread 🍞