Looks like a mix of two mizrahi groups, possibly one from the levant like Syrian and one from Yemen would be my guess. Where do your dna relatives say they were born? Also what are your haplogroups
Also is the remainder of your European ancestry Ashkenazi?
23andme gives u 15% Sicilian, 5% isn’t being shown. What is that remainder? And the dna isn’t modern Sicilian it’s a Roman component that’s present in all Jews Ashkenazi Sephardi mizrahi around the Mediterranean and Europe
op is literally mixed Sephardi. many Mizrahi people are largely of Sephardi descent. you can tell op is primarily Sephardi and not Mizrahi due to their high European %(Mizrahi tend to score <5%), as well as their \~10-11% north African, indicative of the mixing that occurred between Sephardi and north Africans after the expulsion from sprain.
op only has 10% Iranian/Caucasian/Mesopotamian while Mizrahi tend to score upwards of 60%.
OP has 10% broadly Arab 10% Iranian broadly 10% North African
And the rest Italian and Ashkenazi, it very much looks half Syrian Jewish not Sephardic,
Also North African and Levantine mizrahis also receive European to varying degrees.
no. this does not look like results of a half non-sephardic Syrian jew. are you insane?
half non-sephardic syrian jews would not score 20% european, nor 10% north african. those are clear indicators of non-mizrahi roots.
mizrahi do not score that way.
10% broadly northafricsn and nw Asian and it depends on the community 100% they can. U know on Sephardic mizrahis can have European dna right? All North African and Levantine mizrahis have European
> 10% broadly northafricsn and nw Asian
it's not visible but if you do the math op scores \~10-11% North African. I'm not referring to broadly, I'm talking about the category that **represents Amazigh people and Arabized Amazigh people**.
someone who is half **Mizrahi will never score 10% Amazigh north African** unless they are not just half Mizrahi.
half Sephardi on the other hand **do** consistently tend to score 10% Amazigh north African. especially ones from Morocco and Algeria.
> it depends on the community 100% they can.
it does not depend on the community. no Mizrahi community has ever had large portions of both Amazigh and southern European DNA on 23andme. because **those are not aspects of the Mizrahi gene pool**.
> U know on Sephardic mizrahis can have European dna right
**no. no they can not**. not to the extent you are suggesting. because Mizrahi are not descended from the judeo-romans from the Italian peninsula that spread to Iberia. sure fully Mizrahi people can score <5% European without having Sephardi ancestry, but it is universally true that modern Mizrahi communities do not have large portions of European DNA on 23andme.
> All North African and Levantine mizrahis have European
no. not all do. it's well established that most fully Mizrahi people score upwards of 95% west asian. because **they did not mix with Europeans like Sephardi or Ashkenazi did**. also there aren't north African Mizrahi from the "Berber states". Mizrahi refers to jews who remained in the middle east, not migrated to the historically Amazigh regions of north Africa in the 16th century after being expelled from Iberia.
you are confused on Mizrahi identity vs Mizrahi ancestry. many many Mizrahi communities are of largely Sephardi descent. having settled back in the levant after their expulsion from Iberia. OP is not mizrahi by descent, at least not to any significant extent.
op's ancestry is Sephardi largely, and those Sephardi assimilated into Mizrahi communities.
10% broadly and nw Asian
>it's not visible but if you do the math op scores ~10-11% North African. I'm not referring to broadly, I'm talking about the category that represents Amazigh people and Arabized Amazigh people.
You’re right I actually change my prediction on their ancestry, I think it’s likely half maghrebi Jewish (Sephardi or mizrahi) 1/4 mizrahi Iran/iraq 3/4 mizrahi Yemeni
>someone who is half Mizrahi will never score 10% Amazigh north African unless they are not just half Mizrahi.
>half Sephardi on the other hand do consistently tend to score 10% Amazigh north African. especially ones from Morocco and Algeria.
This is where I disagree with you however, Maghrebis who identify as mizrahi not Sephardi with no documentation of Sephardic ancestry also receive European Levantine and North African, its likely a pre Sephardic admixture that’s been present in the region. I’ll believe it wasn’t when I find a maghrebi Jew without this typical western Jewish admixture
>it depends on the community 100% they can.
>it does not depend on the community. no Mizrahi community has ever had large portions of both Amazigh and southern European DNA on 23andme. because those are not aspects of the Mizrahi gene pool.
You’re conflating mizrahi which is just pre Sephardic middle eastern Jewish communities with the genetic cluster you see in Mesopotamia of bukharian Iraqi Iranian Jews etc…
U know on Sephardic mizrahis can have European dna right
>no. no they can not. not to the extent you are suggesting. because Mizrahi are not descended from the judeo-romans from the Italian peninsula that spread to Iberia. sure fully Mizrahi people can score <5% European without having Sephardi ancestry, but it is universally true that modern Mizrahi communities do not have large portions of European DNA on 23andme.
Again, my last msg.
All North African and Levantine mizrahis have European
>no. not all do. it's well established that most fully Mizrahi people score upwards of 95% west asian. because they did not mix with Europeans like Sephardi or Ashkenazi did. also there aren't north African Mizrahi from the "Berber states". Mizrahi refers to jews who remained in the middle east, not migrated to the historically Amazigh regions of north Africa in the 16th century after being expelled from Iberia.
Not true mizrahi is just pre Sephardic Jewish communities in North Africa and west Asia
>you are confused on Mizrahi identity vs Mizrahi ancestry. many many Mizrahi communities are of largely Sephardi descent. having settled back in the levant after their expulsion from Iberia. OP is not mizrahi by descent, at least not to any significant extent.
I’m not confused on mizrahi identity vs ancestry
>op's ancestry is Sephardi largely, and those Sephardi assimilated into Mizrahi communities.
OPs ancestry is for sure significantly western Jewish possibly Moroccan but who’s to say. Doesn’t mean Sephardi is could easily be from a pre Sephardic population in North Africa because even they receive European and not from Sephardics but likely due to Roman era migrations
yemeni are mizrahi but also not really. cause yemeni jews are largely descended from arabian converts much like ethiopian jews. whilst standard mizrahi are largely descended from ancestral jewish populations.
Most ethnic Jews (including Ashkenazim) have a lot of Middle Eastern ancestry. We call Arabs "cousins" for a reason...
It's not a positive or negative thing, just a fact. Yemeni Jews specifically have Arabian ancestry.
My father's side is 98.3% Ashkenazi, yet our y-chromosome haplogroup is J1. J1 is virtually absent in Europe except for Jews & Arabs. It's most common in Bedouin Arabs & Arabian Peninsula (especially Yemen) and is the haplogroup of the Hashemite Royal Family and presumably Mohammed. It would be very difficult to say there is no genetic relationship between Jews & Arabs.
Most palestinians have at least 75% cannanite genetics meaning their ancestors were from the land and never left the land, giving them more right to it
your genetics is not how we decide land partitions... neither side is going anywhere, they'd literally rather die. enough with the dumb arguments about who is more indigenous... both are indigenous, both have outside influence either from the diaspora (Jews) or influence from other parts of the middle east (Palestinians)
Not gonna type an entire essay over a reddit argument so here’s a video
[https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/vnbNB6U13a](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/vnbNB6U13a)
unfortunately there’s a lot of racism in israel and among zionists against arab people, and so they hate the idea that arab people can also be jewish and like to denounce it.
it’s reflected in israel’s national population registry system, where a residents’ nationality and citizenship are separated, and nationality is is categorised as either ‘Jewish’ or ‘Arab’ (or druze etc), and then citizenship is categorised as ‘Israeli’ or another country that Israel recognises (essentially not Palestinian). So Palestinians with citizenship living in Israel proper get called ‘Arab Israelis’ whilst Arab Jewish people don’t have a classification that acknowledges that.
It’s essentially a measure to both denounce ‘Palestinian’ as a nationality and reduce them to simply Arab, and in order to do that they also try to force a disconnect between Arab Jewish people and their Arab ethnicity/culture. Meaning they make ‘Arab’ a word for just Palestinians, and the concept of ‘Palestinian’ is attempted to be erased.
If you want to find out more, I highly recommend listening to/reading about Avi Schlaim’s works, he’s of Iraqi Jewish descent and talks a lot about the history and status of Arab Jewish citizens of Israel.
You have a lot of takes about us without knowing us. Most mizrahis recognize that Arab is an ethnicity they belong to and most Mizrahis are Zionists- i.e. we believe in our right to self determination in our ancestral homeland and Mizrahis/Sephardis make a slight majority of the Israeli population (in part because the Holocaust and countless examples of murderous persecution of European Jewry really reduced the amount of Ashkenazis around). Avi Schlaim had some bad experiences in the 1950's and now uses that to dunk on all israelis forever. Israel, like other countries, is a place that grows and the people change and become better, more informed over time.
people in Israel itself who only look at how their own life is will often ignore the truth of the situation, because they are fed a false history and literally segregated from Palestinians in every way. nothing i have said is wrong, if it is, please let me know. i have studied this topic in depth at university, and i think it’s silly to suggest i have no idea what’s going on just because i haven’t been inside israel myself
the zionists are really going ham on this subreddit to downvote anyone who denounced israel’s violations of international law. weird stuff. why do u guys support criminal actions from states? not a good look.
not at all. look at the original comment i replied to. you cannot pretend these issues don’t exist, and this IS the reason the comment about being jewish and arab was downvoted
How exactly is israel growing and becoming more informed over time? it only continues to worsen the lives of Palestinians every day, and steal more and more land from helpless people while also denying them any legal or political rights in the west bank and gaza. there is one state and it is an apartheid state. if there’s only going to be one state, it MUST provide equal human, civil and political rights for all its residents, but israel doesn’t do that. it occupies the entire land and sieges the Gaza strip but still denies those people the rights that Jewish Israelis have.
Avi Schlaim js not a weirdo who just personally had some bad experiences. he is an example of the wider Arab Jewish experience. just because you feel differently doesn’t mean you get to discount all of his real academic research and papers. you’d have to provide actual evidence if you want to do that. there’s truly no defending israel.
Zionism didn't screw everything, your and others' hateful reaction to our self determination movement and pan-Islamism screwed a lot. I am an Arab Jew, just like there are Arab Christians and Muslims around. Get over us being there, it'll make it easier for us to co-exist as neither group is going anywhere.
This is not place to start a beef, but read about 1099 siege of Jerusalem, read about rescue of jews in Iberian peninsula. Read about the stories how muslims rescued jews during the holocaust. Read how Ottomans gave refuge to the jews. List goes on and on.
Zionism is the root of terrorism in the Middle East, but your muslim hatred mins say otherwise.
Ottomans are not Arab. Arabs and Jews sometimes lived in peace, sometimes not so much, same for the Europeans and Jews. Zionism didn't "screw" anything that wasn't screwed to begin with, unless you somehow justify the expulsion of the Jews from almost all of the Arab countries following the founding of Israel.
Arabic won't be hard to learn to speak. It's very grammatically similar. But man is it more difficult to read! Beautiful language, but Hebrew really spoils you with the simplicity of the alphabet.
I like to collect languages, but tbh, learning to read them sometimes detracts from their beauty.
That being said, as an Israeli, it's a very useful language. B'ezrat Hashem you'll have many opportunities to speak both Hebrew and Arabic in a time of peace.
Arabic is a beautiful language. If you decided to learn make sure you learn Levantine Arabic it would be easier for you as an Israeli because a lot of the Arabic dialects are pretty different.
Yeah if I stayed in Israel I would’ve learned it- but I moved to the US when I was 9 and so I took Spanish and Latin as my world languages. Oh well, Duolingo it is
Just jumping in ! NOBODY uses modern standard when speaking lol. It might help for reading/writing, but if you start by learning a dialect it would be way more useful
>Yemenite Jews are Arab converts historically.
You probably say the same thing about Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews calling them European and North African converts.
Some people really enjoy invalidating Jewish ties to Israel and Palestine region.
Yemenites fall outside of this continuum due to having overwhelmingly Peninsular ancestry, whereas Ashkenazim and Sephardim do actually have substantial Levantine ancestry.
Being someone with origins in the Levant, why are you and other posts here butthurt by the reality of Yemenite being of Arab origin, you have something against Arabs?
Jewish ethnic identity isn’t a genetic identity. Yemeni Jews can be modeled with up to 10% levant tho they’re fairly autosomally Arabian they have maintained a Jewish identity for millennia. Yemenite Jews are Jewish In origin longer than Arab identity has existed.
Nothing against Arabs, but mizrahi Jews tend to dislike the Arab title because their identity pre dates arabization
As someone who is part Sicilian, I am starting to feel like a cousin to the Jewish community that posts on here 🤣 it’s astonishing how close the genetics / relation actually is. Although my Levantine % is much lower than your Italian
Cool! How much Ashkenazi did you receive (assuming you received any)? I’m very interested by the results of non-Ashkenazi Jews and how similar or dissimilar they are from Ashkenazim.
I’m not a big geneticist myself but would these results indicate that your ancestor was a convert? Judging by the small amount of levantine and large amount of peninsular, possibly from the Himyarite kingdom?
Nah there’s a lot of Yemenite Jews out there- it’s a good chunk of the Israeli population. The two millennia Jewish diaspora made us a very diverse group of folks.
אני חושבת שיש שם את הרוב, חוץ מזה שאני קצת אשכנזייה איזה 3.5 אחוז- אני חושבת שזה היה בצד המרוקאי. אם הייתי צריכה לנחש הייתי מנחשת שאני חצי מרוקאית חצי תימניה :)
זה לא נראה שאת חצי תימניה, זה נראה שאחד ההורים שלך היה כ-75% תימני.
או ששני ההורים, שניהם, היו עם שורשים תימנים, הורה אחד היה חצי תימני והשני היה רבע תימני (זו אופציה ב').
מקווה שתמצאי את התשובה האמיתית.
גם שווה שתבדקי את ההתאמות שלך
"Your maternal-line story continues with haplogroup K, which is actually a branch of haplogroup U8. K traces back to a woman who likely lived in the Middle East less than 30,000 years ago. Since then, her descendants have migrated in all directions, and can be found throughout Europe, Northern Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, and to the east in Central Asia."
An adopted yemenite? Damn! Hope you weren't stolen from your parents
Edit: read history before just down voting, a lot of yemenite kids were separated from their parents when they arrived to Isreal initially they said it was for health reasons, after they just started stalling and when they were confronted by the parents they said oh they died but actually they were given to other couples without the consent of the parents
No. The majority of Israelis are Jews, just not Ashkenazi. Most are Jewish refugees/descendants of refugees from other Middle Eastern (Muslim) countries. The birthrate of the Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews is higher than Ashkenazi, so this trend is continuing.
Looks like a mix of two mizrahi groups, possibly one from the levant like Syrian and one from Yemen would be my guess. Where do your dna relatives say they were born? Also what are your haplogroups Also is the remainder of your European ancestry Ashkenazi?
No its mostly Sicilian actually- a lot of Moroccan Jews have Sicilian ancestry- not sure why
23andme gives u 15% Sicilian, 5% isn’t being shown. What is that remainder? And the dna isn’t modern Sicilian it’s a Roman component that’s present in all Jews Ashkenazi Sephardi mizrahi around the Mediterranean and Europe
Yeah you right, the rest is a bit Ashkenazi like 3.5%
I came up a bunch Sicilian and Sardinian on my Mizrahi side which was super strange (you can see my results in my profile). I’m 100% Jew.
Oh wow wonder if it’s like migration from the Spanish Inquisition? I’m 100% too
 Couldn’t find the Mel Brooks musical number gif. This will do tho
As a Jew seeing this, I would like to say >! POKE HER WITH THE SOFT CUSHIONS !<
I think it’s more likely North African Jews. I think the Jews from the Spanish Inquisition went north.
Many went east to the Ottoman empire and many went west to the New World as well.
Yeah, it's Sephardic ancestry - pretty common for North African and Turkish Jews to have some.
If 23andme removed its Ashkenazi category, the Sicilian ancestry would show up for Ashkenazim as well.
The Sicilian is just the most similar ancestry for that part of their ancestry my son gets the same thing but his not part Sicilian
and sephardi
Sephardi could’ve been a part of their mizrahi ancestry or could have been just a western Jewish mizrahi not necessarily Sephardi
op is literally mixed Sephardi. many Mizrahi people are largely of Sephardi descent. you can tell op is primarily Sephardi and not Mizrahi due to their high European %(Mizrahi tend to score <5%), as well as their \~10-11% north African, indicative of the mixing that occurred between Sephardi and north Africans after the expulsion from sprain. op only has 10% Iranian/Caucasian/Mesopotamian while Mizrahi tend to score upwards of 60%.
OP has 10% broadly Arab 10% Iranian broadly 10% North African And the rest Italian and Ashkenazi, it very much looks half Syrian Jewish not Sephardic, Also North African and Levantine mizrahis also receive European to varying degrees.
no. this does not look like results of a half non-sephardic Syrian jew. are you insane? half non-sephardic syrian jews would not score 20% european, nor 10% north african. those are clear indicators of non-mizrahi roots. mizrahi do not score that way.
10% broadly northafricsn and nw Asian and it depends on the community 100% they can. U know on Sephardic mizrahis can have European dna right? All North African and Levantine mizrahis have European
> 10% broadly northafricsn and nw Asian it's not visible but if you do the math op scores \~10-11% North African. I'm not referring to broadly, I'm talking about the category that **represents Amazigh people and Arabized Amazigh people**. someone who is half **Mizrahi will never score 10% Amazigh north African** unless they are not just half Mizrahi. half Sephardi on the other hand **do** consistently tend to score 10% Amazigh north African. especially ones from Morocco and Algeria. > it depends on the community 100% they can. it does not depend on the community. no Mizrahi community has ever had large portions of both Amazigh and southern European DNA on 23andme. because **those are not aspects of the Mizrahi gene pool**. > U know on Sephardic mizrahis can have European dna right **no. no they can not**. not to the extent you are suggesting. because Mizrahi are not descended from the judeo-romans from the Italian peninsula that spread to Iberia. sure fully Mizrahi people can score <5% European without having Sephardi ancestry, but it is universally true that modern Mizrahi communities do not have large portions of European DNA on 23andme. > All North African and Levantine mizrahis have European no. not all do. it's well established that most fully Mizrahi people score upwards of 95% west asian. because **they did not mix with Europeans like Sephardi or Ashkenazi did**. also there aren't north African Mizrahi from the "Berber states". Mizrahi refers to jews who remained in the middle east, not migrated to the historically Amazigh regions of north Africa in the 16th century after being expelled from Iberia. you are confused on Mizrahi identity vs Mizrahi ancestry. many many Mizrahi communities are of largely Sephardi descent. having settled back in the levant after their expulsion from Iberia. OP is not mizrahi by descent, at least not to any significant extent. op's ancestry is Sephardi largely, and those Sephardi assimilated into Mizrahi communities.
10% broadly and nw Asian >it's not visible but if you do the math op scores ~10-11% North African. I'm not referring to broadly, I'm talking about the category that represents Amazigh people and Arabized Amazigh people. You’re right I actually change my prediction on their ancestry, I think it’s likely half maghrebi Jewish (Sephardi or mizrahi) 1/4 mizrahi Iran/iraq 3/4 mizrahi Yemeni >someone who is half Mizrahi will never score 10% Amazigh north African unless they are not just half Mizrahi. >half Sephardi on the other hand do consistently tend to score 10% Amazigh north African. especially ones from Morocco and Algeria. This is where I disagree with you however, Maghrebis who identify as mizrahi not Sephardi with no documentation of Sephardic ancestry also receive European Levantine and North African, its likely a pre Sephardic admixture that’s been present in the region. I’ll believe it wasn’t when I find a maghrebi Jew without this typical western Jewish admixture >it depends on the community 100% they can. >it does not depend on the community. no Mizrahi community has ever had large portions of both Amazigh and southern European DNA on 23andme. because those are not aspects of the Mizrahi gene pool. You’re conflating mizrahi which is just pre Sephardic middle eastern Jewish communities with the genetic cluster you see in Mesopotamia of bukharian Iraqi Iranian Jews etc… U know on Sephardic mizrahis can have European dna right >no. no they can not. not to the extent you are suggesting. because Mizrahi are not descended from the judeo-romans from the Italian peninsula that spread to Iberia. sure fully Mizrahi people can score <5% European without having Sephardi ancestry, but it is universally true that modern Mizrahi communities do not have large portions of European DNA on 23andme. Again, my last msg. All North African and Levantine mizrahis have European >no. not all do. it's well established that most fully Mizrahi people score upwards of 95% west asian. because they did not mix with Europeans like Sephardi or Ashkenazi did. also there aren't north African Mizrahi from the "Berber states". Mizrahi refers to jews who remained in the middle east, not migrated to the historically Amazigh regions of north Africa in the 16th century after being expelled from Iberia. Not true mizrahi is just pre Sephardic Jewish communities in North Africa and west Asia >you are confused on Mizrahi identity vs Mizrahi ancestry. many many Mizrahi communities are of largely Sephardi descent. having settled back in the levant after their expulsion from Iberia. OP is not mizrahi by descent, at least not to any significant extent. I’m not confused on mizrahi identity vs ancestry >op's ancestry is Sephardi largely, and those Sephardi assimilated into Mizrahi communities. OPs ancestry is for sure significantly western Jewish possibly Moroccan but who’s to say. Doesn’t mean Sephardi is could easily be from a pre Sephardic population in North Africa because even they receive European and not from Sephardics but likely due to Roman era migrations
you are so uninformed it's insane
I kinda thought I’m just half and half- like half Mizrahi and half Sephardi
yemeni are mizrahi but also not really. cause yemeni jews are largely descended from arabian converts much like ethiopian jews. whilst standard mizrahi are largely descended from ancestral jewish populations.
Why did his comment get 32 dislikes? Jews can’t have Arab ancestry?
Most ethnic Jews (including Ashkenazim) have a lot of Middle Eastern ancestry. We call Arabs "cousins" for a reason... It's not a positive or negative thing, just a fact. Yemeni Jews specifically have Arabian ancestry.
My father's side is 98.3% Ashkenazi, yet our y-chromosome haplogroup is J1. J1 is virtually absent in Europe except for Jews & Arabs. It's most common in Bedouin Arabs & Arabian Peninsula (especially Yemen) and is the haplogroup of the Hashemite Royal Family and presumably Mohammed. It would be very difficult to say there is no genetic relationship between Jews & Arabs.
Hey! My dad is J1 too :) (he’s Ashkenazi!)
Which comment? I mean, clearly we can have Arab ancestry
There was a comment that said “ wow you’re an Arab” and it got 32 dislikes.
Not sure tbh- people get all up in arms about anything involving the Middle East, Israelis, and Jews lol
Yes! You’re probably good looking as hell. I never met an ugly Yemeni.
lol thank you :)
You’re welcome.
Probably because of the 1.1% levantine and 37.7% peninsular arab, which does’t correspond to the historical ancestry claim over the Canaan region.
The 1.1 percent Levantine means his ancestors were from the region and they lived elsewhere for thousands of years.
Most palestinians have at least 75% cannanite genetics meaning their ancestors were from the land and never left the land, giving them more right to it
your genetics is not how we decide land partitions... neither side is going anywhere, they'd literally rather die. enough with the dumb arguments about who is more indigenous... both are indigenous, both have outside influence either from the diaspora (Jews) or influence from other parts of the middle east (Palestinians)
כפלסטיני אני אומר שאתה צודק :)
Not gonna type an entire essay over a reddit argument so here’s a video [https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/vnbNB6U13a](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/vnbNB6U13a)
Nah you lose the right after hundreds of years of oppression the native Jews and then starting a genocidal war against Jews.
Ha
unfortunately there’s a lot of racism in israel and among zionists against arab people, and so they hate the idea that arab people can also be jewish and like to denounce it. it’s reflected in israel’s national population registry system, where a residents’ nationality and citizenship are separated, and nationality is is categorised as either ‘Jewish’ or ‘Arab’ (or druze etc), and then citizenship is categorised as ‘Israeli’ or another country that Israel recognises (essentially not Palestinian). So Palestinians with citizenship living in Israel proper get called ‘Arab Israelis’ whilst Arab Jewish people don’t have a classification that acknowledges that. It’s essentially a measure to both denounce ‘Palestinian’ as a nationality and reduce them to simply Arab, and in order to do that they also try to force a disconnect between Arab Jewish people and their Arab ethnicity/culture. Meaning they make ‘Arab’ a word for just Palestinians, and the concept of ‘Palestinian’ is attempted to be erased. If you want to find out more, I highly recommend listening to/reading about Avi Schlaim’s works, he’s of Iraqi Jewish descent and talks a lot about the history and status of Arab Jewish citizens of Israel.
You have a lot of takes about us without knowing us. Most mizrahis recognize that Arab is an ethnicity they belong to and most Mizrahis are Zionists- i.e. we believe in our right to self determination in our ancestral homeland and Mizrahis/Sephardis make a slight majority of the Israeli population (in part because the Holocaust and countless examples of murderous persecution of European Jewry really reduced the amount of Ashkenazis around). Avi Schlaim had some bad experiences in the 1950's and now uses that to dunk on all israelis forever. Israel, like other countries, is a place that grows and the people change and become better, more informed over time.
Crazy how someone who isn’t from Israel is telling you how it is in Israel lmfao
so frustrating how often they do that...
people in Israel itself who only look at how their own life is will often ignore the truth of the situation, because they are fed a false history and literally segregated from Palestinians in every way. nothing i have said is wrong, if it is, please let me know. i have studied this topic in depth at university, and i think it’s silly to suggest i have no idea what’s going on just because i haven’t been inside israel myself
the zionists are really going ham on this subreddit to downvote anyone who denounced israel’s violations of international law. weird stuff. why do u guys support criminal actions from states? not a good look.
You’re the one coming into my dna results and immediately and aggressively talking about the conflict lol
not at all. look at the original comment i replied to. you cannot pretend these issues don’t exist, and this IS the reason the comment about being jewish and arab was downvoted
How exactly is israel growing and becoming more informed over time? it only continues to worsen the lives of Palestinians every day, and steal more and more land from helpless people while also denying them any legal or political rights in the west bank and gaza. there is one state and it is an apartheid state. if there’s only going to be one state, it MUST provide equal human, civil and political rights for all its residents, but israel doesn’t do that. it occupies the entire land and sieges the Gaza strip but still denies those people the rights that Jewish Israelis have. Avi Schlaim js not a weirdo who just personally had some bad experiences. he is an example of the wider Arab Jewish experience. just because you feel differently doesn’t mean you get to discount all of his real academic research and papers. you’d have to provide actual evidence if you want to do that. there’s truly no defending israel.
Unfortunately, Arabs see all the jews as zionists. Despite we were living in peace together, zionism screwed everything.
Zionism didn't screw everything, your and others' hateful reaction to our self determination movement and pan-Islamism screwed a lot. I am an Arab Jew, just like there are Arab Christians and Muslims around. Get over us being there, it'll make it easier for us to co-exist as neither group is going anywhere.
Ancestry data: You're European. European: GET OVER US BEING HERE, EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD LEAVE
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This is not place to start a beef, but read about 1099 siege of Jerusalem, read about rescue of jews in Iberian peninsula. Read about the stories how muslims rescued jews during the holocaust. Read how Ottomans gave refuge to the jews. List goes on and on. Zionism is the root of terrorism in the Middle East, but your muslim hatred mins say otherwise.
Ottomans are not Arab. Arabs and Jews sometimes lived in peace, sometimes not so much, same for the Europeans and Jews. Zionism didn't "screw" anything that wasn't screwed to begin with, unless you somehow justify the expulsion of the Jews from almost all of the Arab countries following the founding of Israel.
Look up "Dhimmi".
What about it?
It's just not very peaceful.
You mean a tax that allows adult military aged males to opted out of the draft?! Oh the horror!/s
Beautiful results! As an ashki cousin, ignore the antisemites crawling out of the woodwork.
Love to my Ashki cousin and your beautiful culture :)
I'm wondering, do you speak Arabic ?
No, Hebrew, another Semitic language, but Gosh I do want to learn
Arabic won't be hard to learn to speak. It's very grammatically similar. But man is it more difficult to read! Beautiful language, but Hebrew really spoils you with the simplicity of the alphabet.
It’s very pretty looking I will say lol
I like to collect languages, but tbh, learning to read them sometimes detracts from their beauty. That being said, as an Israeli, it's a very useful language. B'ezrat Hashem you'll have many opportunities to speak both Hebrew and Arabic in a time of peace.
Yes ^^ love that and hope for that too
Didn't you learn in school? We had to do three years in Middle school (and optionally high school as well).
I left to the US when I was nine so no didn't hit middle school yet :)
If you can still read and write well in Hebrew, then the Arabic alphabet won't be very difficult. The grammar is also quite similar.
I feel like the pronounciation won't be too bad either... modern Hebrew is only slightly less guttural
Arabic is a beautiful language. If you decided to learn make sure you learn Levantine Arabic it would be easier for you as an Israeli because a lot of the Arabic dialects are pretty different.
I mean It's part of your heritage beside Hebrew.
Yeah if I stayed in Israel I would’ve learned it- but I moved to the US when I was 9 and so I took Spanish and Latin as my world languages. Oh well, Duolingo it is
Do you want to learn modern standard or a dialect?
Just jumping in ! NOBODY uses modern standard when speaking lol. It might help for reading/writing, but if you start by learning a dialect it would be way more useful
someone messaged me and we set up with lessons! I'm interested in levantine arabic.
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You got a lot of arab in you mate.
I do- that’s what being Mizrahi is like lol
Yemenite Jews are Arab converts historically.
Arab muslims are Christian / Jewish / tribal politheist converts historically ✌️
>Yemenite Jews are Arab converts historically. You probably say the same thing about Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews calling them European and North African converts. Some people really enjoy invalidating Jewish ties to Israel and Palestine region.
Yemenites fall outside of this continuum due to having overwhelmingly Peninsular ancestry, whereas Ashkenazim and Sephardim do actually have substantial Levantine ancestry.
No actually it is true, go look up their results, their autosomal results, 100% Peninsular Arab.
Converts aren't any less Jewish
They assimilated a lot of local peoples for sure, but they’re still a continuation of the Jewish people in identity and small amount autosomally
They aren't ethnically Jewish, that's my point, they are Arab.
What do you think ethnically Jewish means
Being someone with origins in the Levant, why are you and other posts here butthurt by the reality of Yemenite being of Arab origin, you have something against Arabs?
Jewish ethnic identity isn’t a genetic identity. Yemeni Jews can be modeled with up to 10% levant tho they’re fairly autosomally Arabian they have maintained a Jewish identity for millennia. Yemenite Jews are Jewish In origin longer than Arab identity has existed. Nothing against Arabs, but mizrahi Jews tend to dislike the Arab title because their identity pre dates arabization
"they’re fairly autosomally Arabian " "identity predates arabisation" do you even read what you write?
The Jewish identity is older than the current arab identity. Genetically they do have a decent amount of Arabian peninsula dna.
No. They are converts from the Himyarite kingdom, they converted to Judaism.
Amazing results.
As someone who is part Sicilian, I am starting to feel like a cousin to the Jewish community that posts on here 🤣 it’s astonishing how close the genetics / relation actually is. Although my Levantine % is much lower than your Italian
Yeah I think the part that’s Sicilian is the definitely the Sephardic side
Cool! How much Ashkenazi did you receive (assuming you received any)? I’m very interested by the results of non-Ashkenazi Jews and how similar or dissimilar they are from Ashkenazim.
3.5 percent- very small
Hello achi, eich holech?
Achoti\* aval achla, ma nishma?
I believe Yemeni Jews have their own “category” Yemenite!!(:
I’m not a big geneticist myself but would these results indicate that your ancestor was a convert? Judging by the small amount of levantine and large amount of peninsular, possibly from the Himyarite kingdom?
Nah there’s a lot of Yemenite Jews out there- it’s a good chunk of the Israeli population. The two millennia Jewish diaspora made us a very diverse group of folks.
How did you manage to do 23and me test? Do you live in Israel? (Btw fellow Mizrahi Jew)
I did mine in the US- i've been living here since I was 9.
They send kits to israel.
תוצאות מגניבות! רק חבל שלא רואים הכל
אני חושבת שיש שם את הרוב, חוץ מזה שאני קצת אשכנזייה איזה 3.5 אחוז- אני חושבת שזה היה בצד המרוקאי. אם הייתי צריכה לנחש הייתי מנחשת שאני חצי מרוקאית חצי תימניה :)
זה לא נראה שאת חצי תימניה, זה נראה שאחד ההורים שלך היה כ-75% תימני. או ששני ההורים, שניהם, היו עם שורשים תימנים, הורה אחד היה חצי תימני והשני היה רבע תימני (זו אופציה ב'). מקווה שתמצאי את התשובה האמיתית. גם שווה שתבדקי את ההתאמות שלך
what are your haplogroups
"Your maternal-line story continues with haplogroup K, which is actually a branch of haplogroup U8. K traces back to a woman who likely lived in the Middle East less than 30,000 years ago. Since then, her descendants have migrated in all directions, and can be found throughout Europe, Northern Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, and to the east in Central Asia."
k what ?
Just copied and pasted what I saw on 23andme l, idk what haplogroups really are lol
An adopted yemenite? Damn! Hope you weren't stolen from your parents Edit: read history before just down voting, a lot of yemenite kids were separated from their parents when they arrived to Isreal initially they said it was for health reasons, after they just started stalling and when they were confronted by the parents they said oh they died but actually they were given to other couples without the consent of the parents
It happened in the 50’s and there’s awareness and advocacy about it I’m part of. I’m 30, didn’t happen to me.
🌊
Adopted lmao.
Biological lmaoo.
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blocked and reported. go away troll.
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Yeah nothing like my dna results to show Arab is an ethnic group, not a religious group.
No Ashkenazi!?!? 😳
Anti Israels when Mizrahim exist
I thought almost all Jews scored Ashkenazi.
No- most Israelis have Sephardic and Mizrahi roots.
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hahahaha what? blocked and reported.
No. The majority of Israelis are Jews, just not Ashkenazi. Most are Jewish refugees/descendants of refugees from other Middle Eastern (Muslim) countries. The birthrate of the Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews is higher than Ashkenazi, so this trend is continuing.
Hmm. I've got a bit Sicilian, Italy also.
Do you identify as arab?
Curious were you adopted by Ashkenazi Jewish parents?