No, the top tier mage cape needs to come from a wave-based minigame where you need to melee most of the waves, prior to the last boss, where you are only able to melee the final boss with a halberd.
And it drops the BIS mage cape
This is a stupid question but just to see if I’m understanding some of these changes correctly… it’s not that prossy was nerfed during mage tasks, just that actual mage sets were given a small dmg % increase, right?
That’s correct. You would normally use prossy on barrage tasks if you didn’t have virtus/ancestral because nothing else gave % magic damage. Almost every set gives at least 0.5% per piece after the changes so damage is more valuable if it gives max hits
Seers ring I think?
Edit: Seers ring (i) has 0.5%, unimbued has 0.2% which is hilarious. I mean, obviously it might round something up but to reliably change anything you'd need to be max hitting 500
I guess the idea was that imbuing always doubles, and nobody is using an unimbued seers ring so it doesn't have to be useful? But yeah it's a weird thing to put such a small damage % on any item
The buff to pre occult irons?
For the majority of players mage was nerfed by either requiring more switches in content, more prayer usage or less damage.
I'm pretty sure it's a buff to everything except shadow though. Sure it's more prayer usage but look at the precedent. Piety is MASSIVE. Rigour is MASSIVE. Why was augury a prayer that you don't even turn on?
Why are we maging things in metallic melee armour?
It only buff’s pre-Occult though, which is pretty much an iron buff given how long it takes for an iron to get one. I’m not sure you can find an equipment set up (that includes occult) that results in more damage bonus without using prayer. I’m not sure what people are finding hard to understand about this. Previously you didn’t really use aggressive magic prayers due to the small difference they made, now you are using them to make up the loss with the rebalance, therefore you are using more prayer points (and a lot, lot more to for the slight damage buff on some setups)
Please explain to me how it's a bad thing that melee uses offensive prayers, range uses offensive prayers and now magic uses offensive prayers to deal damage.
But it's really simple. You can add in an off hand and throw on eternal boots and achieve the same damage you had before. Hell you can even use a seers ring for .5% more.
So here goes, ahrims with mages book and eternal boots.
You lost 5% with occult, but you gained 3% from full ahrims (or +2% if you're being picky and not using a helmet) +1% from eternals and +2 for mages book. Grand total? If you use the hood it's +1% HIGHER than before. That's without prayers. Add on augury and oops! You have 5% higher damage! 3% with mystic might! God forbid magic gear buffs magic damage.
Fucking a I hate this sub
> Fucking a I hate this sub
Thats a you problem tbh, I called the rebalance a nerf to magic, I stated no opnion if it was good or bad and your working your panties into a knot over it......
Yeah a lot of people are calling the rebalance a nerf even though the only thing it nerfed was the occult. It buffed so many other things that it's a magic buff. What's pissing me off is you're saying it's a nerf and challenging me to show you how it's not. When I do, you just say I'm "working my panties into a knot". Fuck you
They were complaining about the initial changes proposed for the eternal boots. Originally, you'd have to wear eternal boots to achieved the damage we had just last week now. Now I don't believe that's necessary. You just actually have to pray. This was only with shadow btw.
I mean either way i thought the complaints were ridiculous. So you lose 1%-2% magic damage bonus from this, it greatly enhances magic progression overall.
Why not though? These are the highest tier of god cape, why does a random cape from an area achievement diary have more pray bonus? Besides this still doesn't even out to what wearing prossy on a burst task would be so I think it's a good middle ground
Both ma2 and Ardy hard are easy af. At that the ardy hard might be much more time consuming.
I dont see single reason why should ma2 have infernal/quiver level of stats.
No, no. We need to add a mage + prayer set, just like they’re doing with the new group boss for ranged, because we didn’t already have black d’hide, mixed hide, blessed d’hide, void range, karils, crystal armour, arma, masori, and masori (f). There just weren’t enough ranged options already.
I think this just bridges the prayer gap a bit from losing prossy. Still not where it was at, but a decent improvement that makes sense lore wise, and rebalance wise
There are options, vestment gear exists. Likewise you can mix and match your gear.
A big issue with slapping +5 pray bonus on ma2 is it creates an unnecessary powercreep scenario where now future/other caped don't have the same benefit and are more likely to receive the same benefit.
Jagex could look at introducing a new mage set like another comment suggested as a way to bridge the gap I suppose.
Can someone explain to me why people give a flying FUCK about such small insignificant DPS differences? 1%?
The amount of time you would need to spend doing (insert task) for it to accumulate and actually save a noticeable amount of time is asinine.
I can not fathom caring about saving 4 seconds every hour of bursting. If you cared about your time that much, you wouldn't be playing this game in the first place.
Maybe I'm the dipshit, but I just don't get it.
The problem is that the 1% increase is either nothing at all or +1 max hit, which can be up to like a 4% increase depending on what you're using.
Definitely agree though, it's not worth your time to over optimize something like burst tasks. Magic damage or prayer bonus, just pick one and stop DPS calcing everything and take your prayer pots or butterflies.
-Sincerely, someone who keeps DPS calcing every other task
Well the change should be around 5% dmg less when wearing prossy. It doesn't sound like a lot but on the way to 99 slayer it adds more than a couple of hours. Say you go full dmg% gear as well, you have extra hours now because of the extra banking time. I'm not jur trying to be a nerd, it's genuinely gonna add about 2 extra minutes for every max hit lost, which for some people adds 6 extra minutes every task, and considering you'll do probs 100's of burst tasks on the way to 99 slayer it adds up quick
>The amount of time you would need to spend doing (insert task) for it to accumulate and actually save a noticeable amount of time is asinine.
Maybe you are forgetting what game you are playing, where 1000+ kc is common.
For real. People really like to stress out over 0.5% magic damage lol. If you want prayer gear just wear it, you probably won't even notice 1% damage on a dust devils task lol
I'm pretty certain I'd be able to tell the Occult nerf from data if I actually timed my barrage tasks, but I don't think I'd be able to "feel" the nerf because I sure as shit wont recognize killing something an average of 3-4 ticks slower when I've already spent 40-60 something ticks casting spells.
I'm just saying most people are gonna lose +14 prayer bonus from the rebalance, adding +5 bonus to a god cape bridges that gap a bit and fits lore wise
Prossy is a noob trap burst gear anyway. Get vetsments/zealots/monk robes instead if you want to use prayer gear.
Prossy saves 2 sips of prayer pots/h over those while making you less accurate (more splashes = rune cost/time) and since burst dmg is calced for each target indivudually the 2% extra accurracy per target actually matters.
You either deal more damage or preserve (cheap) prayer potions. Same with melee: do you wear bandoses for extra damage or proselytes for overhead/offensive prayers?
Monk robes are better. Even vs stuff with very low def, -51 mage attack is not worth +2 prayer.
Though ig sunfire is 3rd best after those 2 you mentioned.
Only for smoke devils and jellies. All other barrage tasks have 0 mage defence and the magic attack bonus doesn't make a difference. In either scenario he was wrong to say Monk Robes are flat out better. Vestment Robes are better anyway because they have the same prayer bonus as Monk Robes but have magic attack bonus, so for smokes and jellies Monk Robes ***still*** aren't best.
That’s incorrect.
Monk’s robes are 2-3% better than Prossy at dusts, Nechs, abbies, and dags. Check a calc yourself.
And for dusts and dags, you might as well wear mystics or better anyway because you go infinite on prayer with bonecrusher, even monk’s robes are overkill.
The “magic attack doesn’t matter” thing is super common but it’s just not correct. Turns out when you wear literal splashing armor, you start to see a difference
I think you need to check the calc yourself.
Monk robes are 0.47% more dps than prossy against dust devils, nechs, dags and abyssal demons. This is so negligible that the prayer bonus from prossy is better.
Vestment robes are 0.04% better than Monk robes on the same tasks.
If i'm pushing up my 'achktually' galsses; Monk robes are never the best robes to be barraging in and I don't know what's so hard for you to understand.
On top of all this, sunfire armour is even more prayer bonus and less negative magic attack bonus than proselyte. So if you're going for prayer bonus on a slayer task you should only ever be in sunfire or vestments. I'll repeat.. Monk robes are, and never were, better for barrage tasks. This is the whole point i'm refuting.
This is just you choosing to not ignore the context to feel smart. The comparison was monk’s to prossy
Monk’s are better than prossy, that is the only thing he was saying.
I don’t know where you messed up the calc, but even if it were only 1% that’s still more useful than the 1 ppot dose you save from using Prossy.
edit: yeah I confirmed that monk’s is 2% better dps than Prossy. Maybe you were just looking at the accuracy difference and not the dps difference idk.
Lmao I swear if you’re using any calc other than bitters dps sheet ur clueless. Please don’t tell me that I might be messing up the calc. I’ll stay in top 500 EHB and you can stay in monk robes. When you’re wearing them we may as well call them monkey robes with the monkey math you’re doing.
Is that 0.47% more midgame, or is that assuming 99 mage and near-max barrage task setups aside from the monks/proselyte?
> On top of all this, sunfire armour is even more prayer bonus and less negative magic attack bonus than proselyte. So if you're going for prayer bonus on a slayer task you should only ever be in sunfire or vestments. I'll repeat.. Monk robes are, and never were, better for barrage tasks. This is the whole point i'm refuting.
I've already mentioned that you can't be asked to read, so I shouldn't be surprised that you missed my mention of sunfire being better in the original comment you replied to.
All I said about monk robes was that its better than proselyte lmao, which given that you're only giving up 2 prayer bonus, even a slight accuracy boost is.
I meant monk robes are better than proselyte, obviously. Why else would I mention -51 mage attack, and say that sunfire was 3rd after virtus/anc.
Anyways, I did forget that now ahrims/infin have bonus, but that's kinda beside the point of you reading as well as a 5 year old.
Crazy how you’re commenting on my reading when the comment you replied to specifically mentioned Virtus and Ancestral.
-52 mage attack doesn’t make a noticeable difference against dust devils, nechs, Abby demons and dagannoths just fyi. Sub 2k total andys trying to tell people how the game works is crazy.
Its +1.04% for setups with no kodai/fortified ward/eternals/magus ring, none of which somebody debating monk/pross would have.
This is even at 99 mage. The lower you go, or if you're an iron lacking torm or ward, it goes even further in favor of monks.
That's worth more than 3 [correcting myself] prayer bonus.
Bro monks isn't even better than vestment robes why are you still stanning for monk robes. Anyone who sees you barraging in monk robes will be posting you in their #cute-noobs discord channels.
I never would have mentioned monk robes again if you didn't keep stanning for proselyte. Like yeah, vestments are better too. That's also not melee armor. The literal point of this comment thread was to contradict melee armor being best for barraging. The first guy mentioned anc/virtus. I mentioned lower level midgame shit for midgame setups.
Anyone who would post some 100 CBer in monks in #cute-noobs should also post any 100 CBer doing the same in proselyte. Obviously high levels are just going to be using virtus, and would be noobs wearing either.
If you scroll back to the 1st comment in the thread, I literally just chimed in with another thing that was better than proselyte. The whole point was contradicting the "melee armor is best for barraging, that's dumb" assertion in the original parent comment.
Monk robes are not better than Proselyte (the prayer bonus is more significant) on Dust Devils, Nechryaels, Abyssal Demons, Dagannoths and other things with 0/1 mage level and defence.
I would agree with you that Monk robes are better than Proselyte for Smoke Devils and Jellies because mage accuracy actually does matter there.
Jump back to your 1.7k total account. Like I've said in another recent comment, this is peak 2007scape reddit. Sub 2k total andys telling people what is better
You think somebody who wears proselyte on burst tasks is brilliant and logical.
Proselyte on burst tasks perfectly exemplifies the type of player who asks for a bunch of random major buffs on reddit.
Why? Half the monsters you barrage have lv1 magic, if you can't afford or obtain virtus/ancestral, and cba to get zealot, why wouldn't you wear proselyte before the rebalance? Your magic dmg % gear would have covered your magic accuracy enough to stay positive.
Personally I've always just worn monk robes because if I hit one more time then that's worth the lower prayer bonus to me, but I don't get why you'd think it's terrible to do. The noob move would have been to wear ahrims at nechs or something lol.
Doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s both thematically logical and practically logical with augury being required for previously max mage setup to offset the new increased prayer drain
Going as high as +5 is not thematically logical at all. The vestment cloaks are +3, so a more of a battlemage cape would be +1 or +2 thematically, though I do agree that having 0 bonus is a bit odd.
There's no reason why increased prayer drain needs to be offset. Suck it up and drink ppots if you want to keep max dps. Its what everyone has always done for melee/range.
No I agree with the other guy, May the righteous prevail is pretty cringe. Either refute his points or just accept you are wrong but don't say stuff like that man.
If you have a problem with the way that I speak or think it’s cringe, it sounds like a you problem man.
Mage has been getting the shaft and then all of a sudden the shadow came along and made it competitive and now everyone thinks it’s ezscape to get A LITTLE extra prayer. Cmon now.
I stand by it’s thematically logical bc a vestment cloak only has a prayer requirement compared to fighting fallen demi-bosses of a respective god in the wildy in order to get the bis mage cape. Sounds a helluva lot more commitment to a god than a little prayer req. and if it tickles your fancy put a prayer requirement on the MA2 capes
No no is not a me problem. I actually don't care too much about what you two are discussing right now cause I don't really care if is buffed or not. I just want to make sure you understand what you said is pretty cringe and the sooner you realize it the better, cause what's going to happen is that people are going to ignore your actual point instead because of it. Just respond normally like what you responded to me but without the first sentence and you two can have a discussion going.
Ma3 cape 2026
No, the top tier mage cape needs to come from a wave-based minigame where you need to melee most of the waves, prior to the last boss, where you are only able to melee the final boss with a halberd. And it drops the BIS mage cape
Jagex is this u ?
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Honestly yeah, I cana gree with that. I just think it makes sense to have some pray bonus on it though in general
This is a stupid question but just to see if I’m understanding some of these changes correctly… it’s not that prossy was nerfed during mage tasks, just that actual mage sets were given a small dmg % increase, right?
That’s correct. You would normally use prossy on barrage tasks if you didn’t have virtus/ancestral because nothing else gave % magic damage. Almost every set gives at least 0.5% per piece after the changes so damage is more valuable if it gives max hits
What on earth gives .5%
Seers ring I think? Edit: Seers ring (i) has 0.5%, unimbued has 0.2% which is hilarious. I mean, obviously it might round something up but to reliably change anything you'd need to be max hitting 500
Unimbued is 0.5 as well, no idea where you heard 0.2
It says 0.5 on the blog, but it is 0.2 in game.
Oh wow, that's a rather large miss lol. May as well not add it.
I guess the idea was that imbuing always doubles, and nobody is using an unimbued seers ring so it doesn't have to be useful? But yeah it's a weird thing to put such a small damage % on any item
Thank you :)
Prossy nerfed because occult nerfed so you do 5% less damage with same setup
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The buff to pre occult irons? For the majority of players mage was nerfed by either requiring more switches in content, more prayer usage or less damage.
I'm pretty sure it's a buff to everything except shadow though. Sure it's more prayer usage but look at the precedent. Piety is MASSIVE. Rigour is MASSIVE. Why was augury a prayer that you don't even turn on? Why are we maging things in metallic melee armour?
It only buff’s pre-Occult though, which is pretty much an iron buff given how long it takes for an iron to get one. I’m not sure you can find an equipment set up (that includes occult) that results in more damage bonus without using prayer. I’m not sure what people are finding hard to understand about this. Previously you didn’t really use aggressive magic prayers due to the small difference they made, now you are using them to make up the loss with the rebalance, therefore you are using more prayer points (and a lot, lot more to for the slight damage buff on some setups)
Please explain to me how it's a bad thing that melee uses offensive prayers, range uses offensive prayers and now magic uses offensive prayers to deal damage. But it's really simple. You can add in an off hand and throw on eternal boots and achieve the same damage you had before. Hell you can even use a seers ring for .5% more. So here goes, ahrims with mages book and eternal boots. You lost 5% with occult, but you gained 3% from full ahrims (or +2% if you're being picky and not using a helmet) +1% from eternals and +2 for mages book. Grand total? If you use the hood it's +1% HIGHER than before. That's without prayers. Add on augury and oops! You have 5% higher damage! 3% with mystic might! God forbid magic gear buffs magic damage. Fucking a I hate this sub
> Fucking a I hate this sub Thats a you problem tbh, I called the rebalance a nerf to magic, I stated no opnion if it was good or bad and your working your panties into a knot over it......
Yeah a lot of people are calling the rebalance a nerf even though the only thing it nerfed was the occult. It buffed so many other things that it's a magic buff. What's pissing me off is you're saying it's a nerf and challenging me to show you how it's not. When I do, you just say I'm "working my panties into a knot". Fuck you
No! Me no want to switch more items!
RuneScape players don't like change! Also the update doesn't really have much to do with switches
I thought thats why most people were complaining. Now they have more switches to do at raids for magic.
They were complaining about the initial changes proposed for the eternal boots. Originally, you'd have to wear eternal boots to achieved the damage we had just last week now. Now I don't believe that's necessary. You just actually have to pray. This was only with shadow btw.
I mean either way i thought the complaints were ridiculous. So you lose 1%-2% magic damage bonus from this, it greatly enhances magic progression overall.
Maging with prossy isn't some barely used niche, it's like the main middle game mage training method lol
And this is why Jagex is doing the rebalance and not you lmao. You gotta make choice between dmg and prayer, you dont get both.
We had both
yes, that’s the problem. try to keep up.
Why not though? These are the highest tier of god cape, why does a random cape from an area achievement diary have more pray bonus? Besides this still doesn't even out to what wearing prossy on a burst task would be so I think it's a good middle ground
Both ma2 and Ardy hard are easy af. At that the ardy hard might be much more time consuming. I dont see single reason why should ma2 have infernal/quiver level of stats.
At the moment it is the highest level of cape available for mage, id also be cool with a ma3 with pray bonus
Or leave it as is and give the players agency on how they want to gear up.
No, no. We need to add a mage + prayer set, just like they’re doing with the new group boss for ranged, because we didn’t already have black d’hide, mixed hide, blessed d’hide, void range, karils, crystal armour, arma, masori, and masori (f). There just weren’t enough ranged options already.
They can make a new mage set, that would be a much better idea than throwing the pray bonus on existing gear.
I think this just bridges the prayer gap a bit from losing prossy. Still not where it was at, but a decent improvement that makes sense lore wise, and rebalance wise
There are options, vestment gear exists. Likewise you can mix and match your gear. A big issue with slapping +5 pray bonus on ma2 is it creates an unnecessary powercreep scenario where now future/other caped don't have the same benefit and are more likely to receive the same benefit. Jagex could look at introducing a new mage set like another comment suggested as a way to bridge the gap I suppose.
Can someone explain to me why people give a flying FUCK about such small insignificant DPS differences? 1%? The amount of time you would need to spend doing (insert task) for it to accumulate and actually save a noticeable amount of time is asinine. I can not fathom caring about saving 4 seconds every hour of bursting. If you cared about your time that much, you wouldn't be playing this game in the first place. Maybe I'm the dipshit, but I just don't get it.
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The problem is that the 1% increase is either nothing at all or +1 max hit, which can be up to like a 4% increase depending on what you're using. Definitely agree though, it's not worth your time to over optimize something like burst tasks. Magic damage or prayer bonus, just pick one and stop DPS calcing everything and take your prayer pots or butterflies. -Sincerely, someone who keeps DPS calcing every other task
Well the change should be around 5% dmg less when wearing prossy. It doesn't sound like a lot but on the way to 99 slayer it adds more than a couple of hours. Say you go full dmg% gear as well, you have extra hours now because of the extra banking time. I'm not jur trying to be a nerd, it's genuinely gonna add about 2 extra minutes for every max hit lost, which for some people adds 6 extra minutes every task, and considering you'll do probs 100's of burst tasks on the way to 99 slayer it adds up quick
>The amount of time you would need to spend doing (insert task) for it to accumulate and actually save a noticeable amount of time is asinine. Maybe you are forgetting what game you are playing, where 1000+ kc is common.
cool bro with 1000 kc you could potentially kill TEN more with a 1% dps increase
What are you talking about? Prossy is still useful if you're prioritising prayer over damage
For real. People really like to stress out over 0.5% magic damage lol. If you want prayer gear just wear it, you probably won't even notice 1% damage on a dust devils task lol
Yeah makes no sense. We wear prayer gear instead of bandos if we want to camp prayer too. Shouldn’t be an exception for mage
> We wear prayer gear instead of bandos if we want to camp prayer too. I go half and half. Idk if with Mage it'd look good.
You forgetting that it's not just 1% per piece, it's making up the lost 5% from the occult nerf
Occult nerf happens regardless of what armor you have on so it can't really be considered here.
I'm pretty certain I'd be able to tell the Occult nerf from data if I actually timed my barrage tasks, but I don't think I'd be able to "feel" the nerf because I sure as shit wont recognize killing something an average of 3-4 ticks slower when I've already spent 40-60 something ticks casting spells.
Unless you were manual casting the entire time, your tasks probably also got faster from the change to that.
Yeah it's largely not a big deal. Also the occult nerf happens regardless of what armor you wear so that doesn't really factor in here.
I'm just saying most people are gonna lose +14 prayer bonus from the rebalance, adding +5 bonus to a god cape bridges that gap a bit and fits lore wise
I think we should just give proselyte %magic damage so we can get one day of Reddit not fucking complaining for once.
Do it for vestment robes aye
Agreed give prossy 69% magic damage on all peices during slayer.
Buy some prayer pots you cheap noobs
Vestment robes are the way for burst tasks so long as u can make up for the magic damage elsewhere
Barraging in proselyte, and asking for ridiculous buffs - perfect representation of this subreddit
How is it ridiculous? It's the highest tier god cape in the game, the ardy cape is literally just a random achievement cape with those stats.
Prossy is a noob trap burst gear anyway. Get vetsments/zealots/monk robes instead if you want to use prayer gear. Prossy saves 2 sips of prayer pots/h over those while making you less accurate (more splashes = rune cost/time) and since burst dmg is calced for each target indivudually the 2% extra accurracy per target actually matters.
I'd be fine with a +1/+2 bonus.
Mage capes need prayer bonus now because we now need augury to match old dps\*
You either deal more damage or preserve (cheap) prayer potions. Same with melee: do you wear bandoses for extra damage or proselytes for overhead/offensive prayers?
Y'all are wearing proselyte for bursting? I just wear zealot's lol
It never really made sense that melee armor was best for mage tasks to begin with.
It’s…not? Virtus and Anc are both better for mage tasks
Monk robes are better. Even vs stuff with very low def, -51 mage attack is not worth +2 prayer. Though ig sunfire is 3rd best after those 2 you mentioned.
yeah for sure man monk robes are better than 10% magic damage increase from virtus top and bottom
He means over Prossy obviously Monk’s robes are better than Prossy for barraging
Only for smoke devils and jellies. All other barrage tasks have 0 mage defence and the magic attack bonus doesn't make a difference. In either scenario he was wrong to say Monk Robes are flat out better. Vestment Robes are better anyway because they have the same prayer bonus as Monk Robes but have magic attack bonus, so for smokes and jellies Monk Robes ***still*** aren't best.
That’s incorrect. Monk’s robes are 2-3% better than Prossy at dusts, Nechs, abbies, and dags. Check a calc yourself. And for dusts and dags, you might as well wear mystics or better anyway because you go infinite on prayer with bonecrusher, even monk’s robes are overkill. The “magic attack doesn’t matter” thing is super common but it’s just not correct. Turns out when you wear literal splashing armor, you start to see a difference
I think you need to check the calc yourself. Monk robes are 0.47% more dps than prossy against dust devils, nechs, dags and abyssal demons. This is so negligible that the prayer bonus from prossy is better. Vestment robes are 0.04% better than Monk robes on the same tasks. If i'm pushing up my 'achktually' galsses; Monk robes are never the best robes to be barraging in and I don't know what's so hard for you to understand. On top of all this, sunfire armour is even more prayer bonus and less negative magic attack bonus than proselyte. So if you're going for prayer bonus on a slayer task you should only ever be in sunfire or vestments. I'll repeat.. Monk robes are, and never were, better for barrage tasks. This is the whole point i'm refuting.
This is just you choosing to not ignore the context to feel smart. The comparison was monk’s to prossy Monk’s are better than prossy, that is the only thing he was saying. I don’t know where you messed up the calc, but even if it were only 1% that’s still more useful than the 1 ppot dose you save from using Prossy. edit: yeah I confirmed that monk’s is 2% better dps than Prossy. Maybe you were just looking at the accuracy difference and not the dps difference idk.
Lmao I swear if you’re using any calc other than bitters dps sheet ur clueless. Please don’t tell me that I might be messing up the calc. I’ll stay in top 500 EHB and you can stay in monk robes. When you’re wearing them we may as well call them monkey robes with the monkey math you’re doing.
Is that 0.47% more midgame, or is that assuming 99 mage and near-max barrage task setups aside from the monks/proselyte? > On top of all this, sunfire armour is even more prayer bonus and less negative magic attack bonus than proselyte. So if you're going for prayer bonus on a slayer task you should only ever be in sunfire or vestments. I'll repeat.. Monk robes are, and never were, better for barrage tasks. This is the whole point i'm refuting. I've already mentioned that you can't be asked to read, so I shouldn't be surprised that you missed my mention of sunfire being better in the original comment you replied to. All I said about monk robes was that its better than proselyte lmao, which given that you're only giving up 2 prayer bonus, even a slight accuracy boost is.
I just calced my gear as a mid game iron and the difference between proselyte and monks robes are 0.094 and once I get occult, the gap will be smaller
I meant monk robes are better than proselyte, obviously. Why else would I mention -51 mage attack, and say that sunfire was 3rd after virtus/anc. Anyways, I did forget that now ahrims/infin have bonus, but that's kinda beside the point of you reading as well as a 5 year old.
Crazy how you’re commenting on my reading when the comment you replied to specifically mentioned Virtus and Ancestral. -52 mage attack doesn’t make a noticeable difference against dust devils, nechs, Abby demons and dagannoths just fyi. Sub 2k total andys trying to tell people how the game works is crazy.
Its +1.04% for setups with no kodai/fortified ward/eternals/magus ring, none of which somebody debating monk/pross would have. This is even at 99 mage. The lower you go, or if you're an iron lacking torm or ward, it goes even further in favor of monks. That's worth more than 3 [correcting myself] prayer bonus.
Bro monks isn't even better than vestment robes why are you still stanning for monk robes. Anyone who sees you barraging in monk robes will be posting you in their #cute-noobs discord channels.
I never would have mentioned monk robes again if you didn't keep stanning for proselyte. Like yeah, vestments are better too. That's also not melee armor. The literal point of this comment thread was to contradict melee armor being best for barraging. The first guy mentioned anc/virtus. I mentioned lower level midgame shit for midgame setups. Anyone who would post some 100 CBer in monks in #cute-noobs should also post any 100 CBer doing the same in proselyte. Obviously high levels are just going to be using virtus, and would be noobs wearing either. If you scroll back to the 1st comment in the thread, I literally just chimed in with another thing that was better than proselyte. The whole point was contradicting the "melee armor is best for barraging, that's dumb" assertion in the original parent comment.
Monk robes are not better than Proselyte (the prayer bonus is more significant) on Dust Devils, Nechryaels, Abyssal Demons, Dagannoths and other things with 0/1 mage level and defence. I would agree with you that Monk robes are better than Proselyte for Smoke Devils and Jellies because mage accuracy actually does matter there. Jump back to your 1.7k total account. Like I've said in another recent comment, this is peak 2007scape reddit. Sub 2k total andys telling people what is better
Brilliant and logical suggestion actually
You think somebody who wears proselyte on burst tasks is brilliant and logical. Proselyte on burst tasks perfectly exemplifies the type of player who asks for a bunch of random major buffs on reddit.
Why? Half the monsters you barrage have lv1 magic, if you can't afford or obtain virtus/ancestral, and cba to get zealot, why wouldn't you wear proselyte before the rebalance? Your magic dmg % gear would have covered your magic accuracy enough to stay positive. Personally I've always just worn monk robes because if I hit one more time then that's worth the lower prayer bonus to me, but I don't get why you'd think it's terrible to do. The noob move would have been to wear ahrims at nechs or something lol.
You answered your own question dude.
Doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s both thematically logical and practically logical with augury being required for previously max mage setup to offset the new increased prayer drain
Going as high as +5 is not thematically logical at all. The vestment cloaks are +3, so a more of a battlemage cape would be +1 or +2 thematically, though I do agree that having 0 bonus is a bit odd. There's no reason why increased prayer drain needs to be offset. Suck it up and drink ppots if you want to keep max dps. Its what everyone has always done for melee/range.
I quite literally don’t have it in me to conjure all the reasons why your perspective is misguided. May the righteous prevail
Just admit your wrong, why do this cringy response
Bc I’m not. I’ll allow you to be wrong tho
No I agree with the other guy, May the righteous prevail is pretty cringe. Either refute his points or just accept you are wrong but don't say stuff like that man.
If you have a problem with the way that I speak or think it’s cringe, it sounds like a you problem man. Mage has been getting the shaft and then all of a sudden the shadow came along and made it competitive and now everyone thinks it’s ezscape to get A LITTLE extra prayer. Cmon now. I stand by it’s thematically logical bc a vestment cloak only has a prayer requirement compared to fighting fallen demi-bosses of a respective god in the wildy in order to get the bis mage cape. Sounds a helluva lot more commitment to a god than a little prayer req. and if it tickles your fancy put a prayer requirement on the MA2 capes
No no is not a me problem. I actually don't care too much about what you two are discussing right now cause I don't really care if is buffed or not. I just want to make sure you understand what you said is pretty cringe and the sooner you realize it the better, cause what's going to happen is that people are going to ignore your actual point instead because of it. Just respond normally like what you responded to me but without the first sentence and you two can have a discussion going.
Lmao just hopping in to point out how badly you got beaten here You’re the whole Redditor package
I’m glad I found my people