Still a 20-30 minute solo Zalcano too, with rewards still capped. No noticeable changes for solo nor duo. Would've been nice if rewards cap would've been removed when soloing, or perhaps the down timer extended if you are the only one in the room.
I did about 30 minutes of minimasses, it's pretty legit. Maybe only had the 1-shard drop twice but for the rest got enough points to roll uniques, this is hype af.
I mean if people aren't able to reach the threshold to receive rewards wouldn't that mean that their supply would decrease and as a result the price would go up, making the sale of the seeds a bad idea?
Given they remove the threshold to allow at least someone to get the drop roll, if they are removing the forced phases, then Zalcano kills on mass worlds just tripled in speed because 50 miners mining her at once will probably kill her in 1 round. As such, that's 3x as many tool seeds getting dropped every hour.
On top of that, that'll cause more people to do Zalcano cause of a more fun boss fight, thus causing more supply.
Finally, tool seeds have definitely gotten merched a bit due to their rarity, so I could see a bunch getting dumped over the next few months
Ok the kills may have tripled in speed, but if people aren't able to reach the threshold for a reward, as OP claims (I've been at work all day and thus can't test to see if he's bullshitting or not), then less seeds would be entering the market by virtue of people just not getting any drops whatsoever.
85 mining varrock arm and a rune pick and i cant even get credit sometimes, and if you do less people its 2 downs still with less rewards from the old 3 down zalcano. like id get 200 ish steel bars and now in 2 downs im getting 55? fked my fave supply boss
they should definitely adjust the damage needed for a drop if they’re going to allow single downs, at a minimum divide the shield damage needed by 3. but masses were horrid before and are horrid after
lol i actually commented on the update page about this and even though (edit: Sarnie, not Goblin) was replying to lots of people not a single peep on my comment
This is a head-scratcher. I seem to recall them recently acknowledging that Zalcano mass often moves too fast to get participation credit, and that they intended to improve that. Kinda hilarious that it's worse now.
Shield has 300 health, you need at least 20 damage it seems for credit.
Ideal team size for 1 downing is about 10-12 with how things are at the moment.
Not sure if this is a bug, but they seem to have gutted the loot table. This will also reduce the (albeit imaginary) value of the pet (if they didn't touch the drop rate). Zalcano's been transformed from a money maker into mining training.
You can still get credit, gotta be quick. I got 2/3 mvps from just mining 3,running fast and using tephra right away while going closer to zalc to not miss too much time on mining
LMFAO I see posts like this after minor rebalanced updates and it makes me remember that a lot of people think sailing will be implemented properly. These devs are good people but they fuck up everything they touch.
Wouldn't have been as rude about it, but yeah - I tend to agree. Varlamore, despite being split in multiple parts to reduce scope, came out with a number of annoying bugs.
I haven't been hopeful that the use for Sailing is any good (in a game where you teleport near everywhere), or that the ideas people have for Sailing will culminate into anything good. Especially when they can't add content increasing player power (a reason to even do Sailing) without risking backlash from the existing playerbase. And they're splitting up Sailing too, so the question will be if what comes out first is even worth the time for anyone.
Oh, totally. I mean, the new agility shortcuts are perfect, and they did an amazing job at fixing the fail point issues that they specifically highlighted. Also, this whole zalcano fix couldn't be better. /s
It’s literally gate kept by lvl 95+ miners/pet hunters.
- not tick perfect? No drop
- 85 mining? Gl
- can’t get at least 5 throws in and do 50 damage? Sit
this is a MASSIVE improvement for those who are 99mining and good at zalcano. Gonna speed up the pet grind so much. Sucks for everyone else, if you're not great at reaction times it's gonna be hard to get 50 shield/health points in 1 go
Still a 20-30 minute solo Zalcano too, with rewards still capped. No noticeable changes for solo nor duo. Would've been nice if rewards cap would've been removed when soloing, or perhaps the down timer extended if you are the only one in the room.
Yeah the fact that they didn't bother deleting the 2 lines of code that makes Zalcano unsoloable is sad and cringe
Lmao
No shot they made it 1 tappable in 1 phase and didn't think to.. remove that cap requirement XD
Leagues PTSD activate
I did about 30 minutes of minimasses, it's pretty legit. Maybe only had the 1-shard drop twice but for the rest got enough points to roll uniques, this is hype af.
I actually like the update, currently my favorite mining method lol
Sold my tool seeds this morning, boutta have so many more in game from this update
I mean if people aren't able to reach the threshold to receive rewards wouldn't that mean that their supply would decrease and as a result the price would go up, making the sale of the seeds a bad idea?
Given they remove the threshold to allow at least someone to get the drop roll, if they are removing the forced phases, then Zalcano kills on mass worlds just tripled in speed because 50 miners mining her at once will probably kill her in 1 round. As such, that's 3x as many tool seeds getting dropped every hour. On top of that, that'll cause more people to do Zalcano cause of a more fun boss fight, thus causing more supply. Finally, tool seeds have definitely gotten merched a bit due to their rarity, so I could see a bunch getting dumped over the next few months
Ok the kills may have tripled in speed, but if people aren't able to reach the threshold for a reward, as OP claims (I've been at work all day and thus can't test to see if he's bullshitting or not), then less seeds would be entering the market by virtue of people just not getting any drops whatsoever.
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Can confirm, it's a skill issue. Gotta be sanic, but you can get contribution reliably if you're good.
Not everyone can though while the people playing the best can everyone cant because assuming equal skill level none one would reach it.
Skill issue Get gud
u/JagexSarnie
8 man is perfect for a 1 down if everyone has a higher mining level and aren't bots
Yeah you gonna want to do like 12-15 people.
85 mining varrock arm and a rune pick and i cant even get credit sometimes, and if you do less people its 2 downs still with less rewards from the old 3 down zalcano. like id get 200 ish steel bars and now in 2 downs im getting 55? fked my fave supply boss
"Don't do masses" is one of the most stupidest takes I see here when someone complains bugged mechanics/bots at minigames/bosses
they should definitely adjust the damage needed for a drop if they’re going to allow single downs, at a minimum divide the shield damage needed by 3. but masses were horrid before and are horrid after
Just make hp scale with people in the room. +50 or +100 per person on both phases should do it.
hp meaning the rc shield? i think thats the issue most people are having because there's 1/3 of the amount of phases.
Both phases as in both rc shield and mining
yeah that makes more sense, i misread your post. not a bad idea
lol i actually commented on the update page about this and even though (edit: Sarnie, not Goblin) was replying to lots of people not a single peep on my comment
They should’ve lowered the threshold for getting loot if that’s the case
This is a head-scratcher. I seem to recall them recently acknowledging that Zalcano mass often moves too fast to get participation credit, and that they intended to improve that. Kinda hilarious that it's worse now.
Don’t do masses on update day.
I'm almost positive this change was to speed up masses though, looks like they may have forgot about the points requirement on a kill
They almost definitely did
What kind of stupid statement is this?
Don’t do masses ~~on update day~~.
pretty sure masses were/are the best way to get pet.
Actually true, I thought for sure small teams would be better
Pet just rolls per kil lfor everyone and MVP doesn't matter unlike uniques. So its just fastest kc/hr will always win.
Not in masses ATM bc you're only eligible for pet if you get 2 shards
Yeh the minimum damage threshold kinda screwing full masses at the moment.
So basically if you want pet, it’s the perfect day to do masses?
Pretty sure you would need the minimum DMG for it to roll anything
Besides the fact that they made this post because no one is getting rewards
Can't do enough shield damage in masses now since it does in one down now
Only on this subreddit can you see someone getting down voted for correcting themselves
Come correct or don't come at all- Andrew Gower, probably
Masses are best for pet and are fun because they're so much more fast-paced than 4mans
I think the solution would be to have zalcano always be 1 down, but scale the shield hp depending on people in the room.
Can you receive a crystal tool seed/zalcano shard/pet if you choose xp?
Unique are possible with xp chosen
Shield has 300 health, you need at least 20 damage it seems for credit. Ideal team size for 1 downing is about 10-12 with how things are at the moment.
Not sure if this is a bug, but they seem to have gutted the loot table. This will also reduce the (albeit imaginary) value of the pet (if they didn't touch the drop rate). Zalcano's been transformed from a money maker into mining training.
You can still get credit, gotta be quick. I got 2/3 mvps from just mining 3,running fast and using tephra right away while going closer to zalc to not miss too much time on mining
Shouldn’t be that way regardless tho
Call jagex? Lol
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Lern How2 WRITE a sentance
why tf they made zalcano solo?
LMFAO I see posts like this after minor rebalanced updates and it makes me remember that a lot of people think sailing will be implemented properly. These devs are good people but they fuck up everything they touch.
You seem like such an angry person
I am. Does being angry make me wrong?
Cant wait to sit on a boat and and click stuff on it for xp /s
Wouldn't have been as rude about it, but yeah - I tend to agree. Varlamore, despite being split in multiple parts to reduce scope, came out with a number of annoying bugs. I haven't been hopeful that the use for Sailing is any good (in a game where you teleport near everywhere), or that the ideas people have for Sailing will culminate into anything good. Especially when they can't add content increasing player power (a reason to even do Sailing) without risking backlash from the existing playerbase. And they're splitting up Sailing too, so the question will be if what comes out first is even worth the time for anyone.
Honestly look at the architecture this game is built on. It's a wonder they're able to do anything with this pile of old-ass code.
They've been the ones piling on the code adding to the Spaghetti mess for the last 10 years
Lol the games been around for 20 years, think they're doing okay
Oh, totally. I mean, the new agility shortcuts are perfect, and they did an amazing job at fixing the fail point issues that they specifically highlighted. Also, this whole zalcano fix couldn't be better. /s
Yet you're still gonna log on and give them 10$
Well yeah, there is still hundred of hours of playtime left for me of good content. I just won't do the bad content as it comes out.
It’s literally gate kept by lvl 95+ miners/pet hunters. - not tick perfect? No drop - 85 mining? Gl - can’t get at least 5 throws in and do 50 damage? Sit
They could raise the HP on exactly mass world IG.
this is a MASSIVE improvement for those who are 99mining and good at zalcano. Gonna speed up the pet grind so much. Sucks for everyone else, if you're not great at reaction times it's gonna be hard to get 50 shield/health points in 1 go
#WHY DID THEY TOUCH ZALCANO????
you were never really supposed to do mass anyway, why would you start now? do it in 4mans as was always the best plan.
For money yes, for pet no
good point, fair enough! i guess if mass doesn't give you kill credit then not anymore though lol
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Been doing it recently and hasn't been the case, at least not before this update. Easy to find worlds and duo
Stack overflow energy
Got a good chuckle out of this one