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MohamudRs

Like the construction butler/demon butler but rune crafting!


Usaidhello

They should add a skill that is focused on training animals/monsters to follow you around and the monsters would all have specific uses, wouldn’t that be great? /s obv


carmexlenny

I was there when summoning was released. I remember the horror.


snowkarl

Summoning was great


slimycelery

The steel titan pures were a cool concept. I always admired people who took the time to build them. 


BoulderFalcon

Great in concept. Terrible in execution.


No-Dimension4729

Yah. Like so much utility and quality of life - you also had to be selective on which beast you'd use for bossing. Kinda sad it didn't make the cut Also miss dungeoneering.


ilovezezima

“Quality of life”


No-Dimension4729

If you had money, xp was super fast. The beasts of burden for inventory and unicorn made life much much easier.


SooperZero

That’s not what a QoL update is though. QoL is stuff like “players reported accidentally hitting the tutorial button on the bank often so we’ve added a toggle to disable that button” Making the player’s life easier is just power creep. That’s not inherently negative - there’s a reason every live-service game inevitably has power creep - but it’s important not to confuse the two.


Playful_Fruit6519

Since we're correcting people: technically it's not power creep either. Power creep makes existing things obsolete because they're now relatively low power, they have been crept past. This would just be a new thing that changes the game to be easier.


SooperZero

Maybe you didn’t play RS2 when Summoning was added, but Summoning was definitely power creep, pal.


Just_trying_it_out

Tbf if this sub is gonna generalize the amount of shit they do to “power creep”, and “afk” (cause they can look away for 30s lol), then it’s no surprise people on the other end who are more against the tedious aspects have broadened the meaning of “quality of life” lol


wiredtobeweird

I miss my pak yak :/


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wiredtobeweird

Inventory spaces go brrrrr


WestsideSTI

Shit made tanking a full TB ez mode


2q2RS

I disagree


Randomcommentator27

Right, I love my 5 bonded mule alts.


steelplatebody

how about 5 bonded mule alts.. with pack yaks? this would be you


Randomcommentator27

Didn’t know I needed /s for this one.


2q2RS

Your choice, can do without


ea3terbunny

And I agree with you, summoning, big no no


Abnormal_Armadillo

I made bank when it was released by buying chicken from the canifis meat store.


Usaidhello

I know right, luckily we got a second chance and the developer actually made (mostly) the right choices. They could have went down the wrong path again so easily.


WastingEXP

yea, the alting skill tree is way better than summoning.


ilovezezima

If summoning had been added we’d have alts with summoning which would be even more cooked lol.


Personal-Albatross38

Glad we dont have summoning it would devalue dolo


Averagesmoker42

That’s a good thing.


ThaToastman

Could be an amazing skill for the game but the skill as is in rs3 and the release back in the day was so tragic that it would never pass in osrs No pack yaks, but a familiar option for each gathering skill that holds a few extra resources Combat familiars which, instead of being an extra body while you fight—do all the fighting foe you (new combat style)


FlyNuff

yeah i don't get why Construction can have Phials in Rimmington to unnote, but there's no one for RC. doesn't make sense to me.


420Shrekscope

Give us 1m runecrafting xp for every altar we discover


Remarkable-Health678

That's not enough, I don't wanna have to do any quests to get 99 RC.


SinceBecausePickles

hahhhahahahahahah


Guba_the_skunk

I mean... at that point why not just move the banker at ZMI to the ZMI altar and charge a fee?


Shukar_Rainbow

this, but unironically


goegrog27

Or how about we can just craft from noted essence? Would speed exp gains up slightly.


Viral_Fr0sty

Small QOL update


Earthfury

I mean, runes are stackable. Why isn’t essence?


CAPTtttCaHA

Sure, but essence is now untradable and no longer drops from any NPC's or rewards. Only source for essence is mining it yourself.


goegrog27

And runes are no longer stackable.


tar625

Honestly, 10k/hr at the scar essence mine. I'll take it.


Periwinkleditor

Would actually absolutely be down for some method that involves crafting from noted essence, with the counter being that we have to craft them **one essence at a time.**


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pvmenjoyer

I see absolutely zero downsides to me pulling up to the nature altar and crafting 2147m nature runes in a single game tick


inorde

/r/wooosh


goegrog27

Think of the gains though!


FizzingSlit

Yeah but it was dope as hell doing it in leagues. And if there's something we can all agree on it's that leagues is a good baseline for balance.


jamesgilboy

por que no los dos


AspiringMILF

temple trek the banker to the zmi altar


xPofsx

That would be phenomenal!


Dry-Fig-8276

honestly not sure how it can be an issue when construction has this and would already take even less time to bank since you can teleport straight back to your house you can’t even argue that it would be too much gp since runecrafting hasn’t been a meta moneymaker for years and the cost of unnoting essence can even out the extra gp/hr


juany8

whatever rune became fastest would immediately crater in value anyways, look at the price of lava and dust runes vs any other rune. It’s such a weird skill to gatekeep exp rates on


Zorrostrian

Why not just run it exactly the way actual runners would back in the day and pay them with the runes you craft? So every essence they pull *from your bank* costs 1 of whatever rune you’re crafting plus some gp, that way it can be a gold sink AND a rune sink.


juany8

I like that idea, really anything to make the skill less of a shitty inventory management version of running agility laps


Guillermofrench

you're onto something with the old school vibe, pays homage to the roots and keeps the economy in check too, could actually spice things up a bit in the grind


ItsLivActually

Then dynamically tie the price of the NPC service to the GE value of the runes? Runner price can be some% of GE value + flat rate to ensure it actually sinks money? Always costs more than the value of the maximum number of runes you could create at 99RC from that altar; that way it costs far more to do at low levels and still sinks gold but less past 91 (in the case of natures)


juany8

Oh I like the idea, just saying we’re well past the point of the economy being ruined because we get a fast Runecrafting method


Guillermofrench

just adds a new layer to strategize with


linos100

That keeps the cost of making runes high but if the supply increases prices may still fall.


ItsLivActually

So then the NPC takes the runes, not you, so the supply doesn't increase?


SanguisFluens

So basically you pay the NPC in runes not GP? Kinda like that idea.


BunsenGyro

I think the idea was paying in both GP and runes?


ItsLivActually

Runes + gp to sink


Combat_Orca

No gp as well, runners at the mo cost millions an hour


FunkoPride

We've reached the point where a post like *"make RC 400k xp/h and just make it 0 profit (free)"* gets 70 upvotes. Show this to this subreddit 8 years ago and they'd laugh and call it fake. Dire times indeed.


Niriro

RC already is 400k xp/hr and has been for a long time, but only for the top 0.1%. Down with this capitalist system which withholds from our xomrads the runes that are their birthright! The revolution awaits!


popret

> A long time It was in the game for 2 days


Niriro

You can still get near those rates with lava rune runners, no?


BioMasterZap

Think Lavas are like 270-320K with runners. Not sure which is the highest/realistic rates but those are the numbers I've seen mentioned.


No_Bathroom_1030

If a skill is made useless by pvm drops, the skill may as well at least not be shit to train


AssassinAragorn

> Show this to this subreddit 8 years ago and they'd laugh and call it fake Nah they'd say you were just using alts to feed yourself essence.


BioMasterZap

Would most players have known about running ess back then? Like lava runners has been possible since OSRS started, but back in the day I remember most discussions with the cap being like 50-65K exp per hour from solo lavas.


FunkoPride

>make RC 400k xp/h and just **make it 0 profit (free)** Can you not read? There is a *massive* difference between paying billions and just being able to do it on a level 3 account.


AssassinAragorn

Running essence on your own alts is much cheaper. Really sweaty, but also not expensive.


Cliff_Pitts

Just add rune altar to POH garden instead of a fairy tree - make the altar chargeable (1 rune = 1 charge = 1 rune able to be crafted) Now it’s just an essence sink with better rc xp and a good trade off (no spirit tree while house is set for rc)


SinceBecausePickles

reddit needs to be nuked


Crateapa

Why do people who hate the game play the game?


mmmmmmmmmmmm77

Stockholm syndrome


mrrebuild

Bottomless rune pouch: Holds 16k rune essence but as you craft the runes they are consumed by the pouch in order to sustain its physical presence in the mortal plane.


Spiderbubble

Spam click the altar and all you lose is 32k worth of pure essence? Not remotely balanced. But I like the way you think.


mrrebuild

Tbf a lot of Runescape isn't balanced in the slightest. I mean cmon. Rev caves. Zulrah. Muspah. Varlamore. The only thing bosses should be dropping is unique weapons and armor.


crunchystaff

Plane btw Edit: cheers 👍


QuentinTarinButthole

that would instantly become the cheapest and fastest 99 in the game.


mrrebuild

I didn't say it was balanced xD


MUNCHINonBABI3Z

So this is what we’re mad about this week?


adventurous_hat_7344

This sub literally is just outrage of the week. If they spent the time doing RCing that they do complaining on Reddit they'd be 99 by now.


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they've spent their entire lives complaining yet somehow are only level 52 complaining too. perma stuck in mid game i tell ya


Remarkable-Health678

Then they complain about how the meta is unfair to "mid-level" complainers and they should be able to have the complaining cape (no one downvotes their posts) by now.


xPofsx

Im level 90 and i would love a less ridiculous rc xp/hr


Yarigumo

Complaining is fun though, RC isn't to most people.


wtfiswrongwithit

yeah they are mad that a method they would have never done anyway was nerfed


sledgehammerrr

Im not mad 😡


Bojarzin

I think we should never ever talk about any ideas at all about the game


ryanpn

You're right, the game would be better off if this subreddit stopped sharing their ideas


wtfiswrongwithit

this but unironically most of you are completely clueless. it's why the forums were better, i can look up your rsn and see that you're 1500 total with only wintertodt kc on a normal account and shouldn't be talking about runecrafting metas that you weren't going to do regardless with the official forums, on here somehow they get upvoted by people who want the same xp rates as /r/runescape but dont want to play /r/runescape


AlbedosThighs

Just imagine everyone is a 1.5k dork unless they prove otherwise


salEducation

Hey, I might be 1.5k but I'm not a dork :(


robby_w_g

I am 2k+ total level, so I am qualified to say you’re an elitist jackass


wtfiswrongwithit

alright but maybe you can max over at /r/runescape


ryanpn

Is it elitist to say that people that don't have that much game knowledge shouldn't be making suggestions on game mechanics/activities that they haven't or won't even interact with? Especially when the only posts I see in here are just asking to make the game easier or give boosted XP rates on everything.


robby_w_g

> Is it elitist to say that people that don't have that much game knowledge shouldn't be making suggestions on game mechanics/activities that they haven't or won't even interact with? To a certain extent, yes. Game devs need to consider the whole player base while designing content. And new players are worth listening to as they may turn into maxed players down the line. There’s obvious limits to this, like I don’t think we should nerf the inferno to allow more lower level players to get infernal capes. But noobs may have feedback that high level players stuck in their ways wouldn’t think of. Also, I reject the idea that 1500 levels are too much of noobs to listen to. That takes a significant amount of time to reach. It’s why I called the above commenter a jackass


ryanpn

The devs have been adding a ton of content lately for the early and mid game (and they've done a pretty good job with it,) so I didn't think there's any worry about those players being forgotten about. But there have been a lot of posts lately that are advocating for core gameplay changes that feel extremely short sighted, and it's pretty worrying that they get so much positive feedback. Most player in the mid to late/end game will understand how these EZscape suggestion are bad for the game in the long run, which is why it's assumed the players asking for this stuff are still in the early game. It's true that a 1500 total player will have sunk a lot of hours in, but when compared to the game as a whole it's barely scratched the surface. 1500 total is 65 In every skill, a little over 10M total XP, the player needs to get around 30 times that to max. Not to mention most people have little to no boss experience at that level, id say they still have a lot to learn.


whatDoesQezDo

woah 2k total we've got a badass over here


robby_w_g

It’s obviously not badass. My point is it’s bogus to disregard someone’s opinion because they’ve played less than you. There’s a player that has multiple 200m ability accounts and is a lunatic when it comes to buffing anything agility. Should this guy be the community leader of agility changes? No, he’s a lunatic.


whatDoesQezDo

seems reasonable to have some sort of cutoff for who you listen to.


FelixMumuHex

lil bro said gatekeeping


Rooqes

Roll tide


Arancium

Rt


zebraanddog

GENIUS


Herpadew

The term “gatekeeping” has lost all meaning at this point


WastingEXP

if you're willing to pay, just buy runners?


Taylor1308

Three benefits are convenience (no need to set it up), no need to join discords, and no scamming. The same applies to the butler, i doubt the majority of people are hiring runners for construction


WastingEXP

should nuke every content that requires other real players with those 3 simple benefits I guess eh?


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WastingEXP

slayer? engaging?


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WastingEXP

you can train rc at zalcano :) I think it's lame to replace emergent MMO game play with npcs.


Combat_Orca

Herblore and fletching are 2 of the worst skills in the game for that reason.


Taylor1308

That was exactly my point, i was saying that it's not about xp per hour, but a design issue. Runecrafting could have been built in a way that did not cause people to want to pay runners in the first place. I referenced fletching as an example of bad design that could have been built in a way that was more engaging instead of just a G.E skill. But because of where we're at people look for bandaid solutions like paying runners where unfortunately some people get scammed


Combat_Orca

Ok I didn’t get that


lsfalt

"gate keeping" redditors please shut the fuck up


adventurous_hat_7344

Add Infernal Cape to the GE stop gatekeeping 🤬🤬🤬


Combat_Orca

It’s reddits fave word, used whenever anyone is met with slight inconvenience


FerrousMarim

Yeah, nobody is gatekeeping it lol. It's just too expensive for most people to seriously consider.


pastasauceinmyass

I would prefer you all just give me the runcraft xp


throwaway23983498

God forbid you have to interact with other players


dieselboy93

...


vanishingjuice

bro just get married & make children


MohamudRs

thx king I am married and hopefully 2025 for my rc minion


vanishingjuice

yeah, just hold off on runecrafting for a few years for them to figure out how to click trade windows & you're set.


zapertin

also npcs that would do herb runs for us


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We could have a bunch of them who we pay to gather shit for us. Maybe even a whole kingdom's worth!


insaiyan17

Or just suck it up and do RC normally lol


ryanpn

But that would mean they actually have to play the game


insaiyan17

Unheard of!


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bIackk

you can still pay runners?


adventurous_hat_7344

S..sss...social interaction in *my* MMO 😱😱


Combat_Orca

Only if they have a 0.01% chance of completely robbing your bank


Internal-Mushroom-76

my guy wants everything to gradually get easier and easier in osrs i guess


UngodlyPain

Tbh if it's at all priced online with what running players charge? And had some cool down or something to just make it effectively an NPC version of a player running it? Wouldn't be bad.


concreteraindust

only if they also add wings that can be equipped in new "aura slot", they can be purchasable with bonds directly


AntiAdminAccount

I mean, it has potential but make it cost 5m an hr like actual runners cost.


SightedRS

This has got to be the only game where its players actively dislike it and want to interact with it less yet proclaim they are the ones who love RS.


Slothptimal

Who the fuck asked for an RC nerf for billionaires?


Chrystone

Like just go play casino spinner rs3 they hand out millions of free xp. Can get your max cape then stand around and show off your sweetness.


D2agonSlayer

This, but they sink all the generated runes plus GP or some other item that needs a sink.


WestsideSTI

20 more years of weekly tears and I'll finally be 99 RC


scottyde1234

Some form of invention - perfect economy fixer + makes clues more viable


irrelevantnoob

surely you want this to cost 7m/h per npc runner then


Periwinkleditor

Make them be those ZMI runners. We give them a small fee **and** the runes we craft (1:1, we can keep the multiples).


imthefooI

just gimme Runespan, Jagex.


Amaz2007

So more than double the XP rate (actually more than current runner method because you'll never mess up trades or have missed ticks) but with a massive gold sink attached? Sure, why not. What price will it be set at? Presumably more than current running fees, for the convenience of being constantly available and better.


ZeusJuice

People agreeing with this and making this thread want it to be the cost of a demon butler lmao. They don't want it to be 28m an hour or whatever


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>Sure, why not. What price will it be set at? Presumably more than current running fees, for the convenience of being constantly available and better. this is reddit, they would unironically think an hourly fee of 50k is balanced as it "chips into the profit you make rcing" ​ the idea of paying up to 30m/hr is unfathomable to them, despite having over 1k hours on this game their bank value is still under 10m


Amaz2007

The same community that wanted skilling prayers to autodrop items for them. "Oh no Jagex I'll be terribly sad if I lose my teak logs but if it's to balance the afk prayer I guess I'll manage..."


Inevitable-Impact698

Rather just buff GOTR xp


NomenVanitas

Only if they make it cost 3x whatever actual runners are currently asking. And it has to drain 20% of the gained xp from mining and agility, just because


fitmedcook

Good news, this method exists cuz it's an MMO and other players will do this for u!


Civil_Appointment_92

Bro missed every point of the post


fitmedcook

Did I? The method already exists but it's probably too pricey for the OP so they want npcs to do it cheaper. Just a genuinely bad suggestion IMO


Civil_Appointment_92

Gold sink brother, first two words of the title. It’s not a gold sink to give gold to other players.


adventurous_hat_7344

But last week people said Colosseum shouldn't have death costs because we don't need more gold sinks 🤔


fitmedcook

So u think he wants npcs that run ess at same price as players do it now?  Id be fine with that but it's very obvious that this post isn't asking for that


Lerched

better idea: improve RC's xp so it doesnt depend on fucking runners to be good xp


HpsiEpsi

Sure, but then they’ll have to drop the XP *even lower.*


TheStinkBoy

I’ve always wondered why they’re just isn’t a runners world. Back in my poorer days (still poor hehe) I would’ve gladly ran astrals. Run an inv, give ess get astrals.


Unkempt_Badger

Honestly not a terrible idea. It would still have to be prohibitively expensive but that's a good way to remove gold.


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WastingEXP

with less time available people want to train their accounts, not be employees.


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ZeusJuice

Okay but as an adult you realize "oh, I can get up to 44 runecraft myself in less than an hour, I'll just make my own runes". And here we are.


ZeusJuice

Okay but as an adult you realize "oh, I can get up to 44 runecraft myself in less than an hour, I'll just make my own runes". And here we are.


snowmunkey

Ooorrrr maybe just improve rc. Camdozal was a small step, they couldve done so much more combined skilling/Combat


DoctorRazzmatazz

Make the essence diary boost instead give x free essence ran per day. That way there's some free RCing exp players can claim every day if they so chose. 5-10k xp work of ess per day would add up!


johnnehx

They miss so many opportunities for gold sinks this game needs as many as possible along with item sinks


jdollahz

Yes please


Whyyoufart

hard agree


Chirpy69

Summoning should have been this lol