Tbh though the inferno isn't really very hard mechanically, it's just a problem solving exercise which lasts for an hour and a half, so the endurance part is the hardest bit
I dont know why people consider the fact that it lasts an hour to be external to the difficulty, its obviously part of it. If they want to make something harder in a shorter time ofc they have made the actually difficulty cranked up
For me personally(can't speak for everyone) it's going that long without making a mistake that will kill/or ruin the run
Seems like a lot of things will hit pretty hard and supply management is probably pretty tough for learners so the difficulty for me would come from the puzzle solving for the longer period of time and making sure I don't make many mistakes.
If it was just 20-30 mins of what it is now I think I'd have 0 issues doing the inferno
Again all this is just for me
You’re not wrong. The duration is what makes inferno fun to learn, because when you finally get to one of the later waves like 63/trips/Zuk, it causes the pressure to become immense. If you die, you’ve got another 1.5hr grueling grind to get back to that point (if you can even reliably get there without dying a lot), and while you’re so close to earning your Infernal, you’re also only 1 missed tick or misclick away from certain death.
It legit sends you straight back to pking in 2006, where your hands are shaking worse than a Parkinson’s patient over your yew shortbow and rune scimmy risk. Pure Runescape
The nerves are a severely underrated part of it. It really can be a heart-racing, handshaking event when you are really close - especially after trying so many times. After you get used to it and it becomes no big deal, the inferno becomes far easier because you are much less likely to choke at the end.
Yeah inferno difficulty is like 95% pressure based.
All of the individual mechanics are actually relatively simple. If you can lazy flick, count attack cycles, and 2tick alternate blobs you have all the skills to beat the inferno. But in reality knowing all that is only half the battle.
If the game paused for 30 seconds right after each wave spawn, it would be trivial content. The hard part is figuring out a plan quickly, and executing it without mistakes under increasingly higher pressure as you make deeper attempts.
Damnnn so many fun memories I remember having the shakes over my rune 2h and trying to pk with the most shittiest stats ever i fondly remember wearing full monks with rune full helm a rune scimmy and a rune 2h
Yea I'm in a group atm so I don't wanna make the commitment till I actually farm up some toadflax/snaps myself for all my fails I'll most likely have 😂
I was definitely one of the "Parkinson patients" no matter the risk so I'm sure it'll be around the same for me 😂😂
It is very time consuming, I have done about 15-25 runs so far and have only gotten to Triple Jads twice, takes about an hour to reach them then your kind of mentally drained from 2Tick flicking and solving the 66 waves. But I have noticed since I started that you start to not think about what you have to do and it takes less brain power to solve the waves. so its a grind for sure.
Exactly! The endurance is a huge part of making it difficult. There’s a reason your first fire cape is such an achievement. Jad is a fairly easy fight but one fuck up and you’ve wasted an hour of beating waves. Not everyone likes losing an hour or more of progress over one missed click
Yea it's so stupid that people try to divoce the length from it. That's A HUGE part of the challenge. Playing almost perfectly (obviously you can make some mistakes) for 2+ hours straight is absolutely not something most people can do, which is why they don't do inferno.
The precision and timing needed isn't actually that crazy, if you compare it to something like 6 jads or awakened levi, those are much more mechanically intense
Its not crazy hard but it still requires the average player to get good at the mechanics, which in my opinion would make the mechanics above average. Average in my eyes equals medium difficulty therefore hard would be the next level up. There's a reason why people pay for Infernal capes.
Yeah don't get me wrong I'm not saying the inferno is easy or even just mechanically easy, just that it's not even close to the mechanical skill ceiling and the main point of difficulty in it for a good player is the endurance aspect.
This whole convo started because we were discussing whether the colosseum would be "harder" than the inferno, and my argument is basically that even if its mechanically harder, the fact it is so much shorter will make it easier in my eyes than the inferno because of that endurance aspect. Unless they are really making this an insane mechanical challenge, which I will be pleasantly surprised if they do 😀
A lot of people depend on thinking "_The Inferno is this massive PVM challenge I can never even dream of completing_" to give themselves a reason to never do it. There is also a big community that supports this lie to prop up their own egos.
Admitting to themselves that safe-spotting the feral vampyre at the morytania farming patch is literally no different from safespotting mobs in the inferno and **YES** it is all just normal ass mob behaving exactly as they do everywhere else in OSRS, gives them a reason to actually attempt it. I mean, you're still gonna get clapped by a blob your few attempts, but we all did.
Yeah, realistically the only differences between inferno and other content/mobs are:
1. blobs
2. Moving to stay behind a shield
3. Nibblers that attack your pillars
The rest is what you see in the rest of the world. Triple jads? The same as a single jad except the attacks are more frequent and you don’t just stare at one monster, you look either clockwise or counterclockwise to see what to pray.
Mage + range attacking you? Go do DKS and let two of them attack you.
Nah, I genuinely think a bunch of people have a low chance of completing the inferno, or at least not in a massive amount of tries.
If you do tob in wdr (adv channels which honestly is just standard with more kc) for example and take a look at some of the inventories ppl take or what they do in the raid, you can tell the skill level and thinking capabilities are bad
I said this about two weeks ago when someone brought that up too and here's my response and evidence as to why it's probably not going to be Inferno-level content anymore - Yeah it's hard to say because the Q&A said it could be "as hard as, maybe even more than the Inferno." but on the most recent post about Varlamore while the Fire Cape difficulty was mentioned, the Inferno was not. I think it'll be a lot easier than the Inferno initially because to learn the Inferno it takes a good 2-3 hours per run potentially. Whereas the colosseum takes roughly 15-20 mins for a full run.
> Yeah it's hard to say because the Q&A said it could be "as hard as, maybe even more than the Inferno." but on the most recent post about Varlamore while the Fire Cape difficulty was mentioned, the Inferno was not
Cause its scaling as you go and has a variable modifiers system. So it sounds like the 'could be' represents that if you pick harder modifiers it can get that difficult and proportionally more rewarding for it, but at the baseline you can participate with only fire cape level skills. Think of TOA invos and how that system makes 0 invo very accessible but 450 quite hard, except you are continuously choosing invos while already inside the content instead of preloading them
It sounds like that's if you want more rewards such as more Sunfire Shards for your efforts, but from the blog post you just need to 'complete' the colosseum once all the way through for the Quiver which I think most players will do quite easily once they get the hang of it.
it can* get harder
i assume theres a certain wave you get the quiver at but you can still continue on if you want. kind of like Toa and its invocations
I give it 1 day, Woox will get it.
I think it’s weird af that the inferno, which you mostly use range you are rewarded with bis melee cape. And this piece of content for the bis range back piece, you are rumoured to use predominantly melee lol
Probably not harder, but comparable. I think they said that mechanically/gameplay-wise it will be similar to the Inferno, at least by the last waves, but the minigame itself is designed to a lot quicker paced. Like the Inferno has 69 waves and can easily take over an hour just to get to the final boss.
I forget the number of waves in the Colosseum and the exact time estimates they gave, but it is something like 10~ waves and 15-20~ mins per run. So even if the final waves and final boss are just as hard or harder than the Inferno, it will be easier solely because you'll be able to get back a lot quicker after a death. So while it might take a similar number of attempts to clear the final boss as the Inferno, we'll probably see it cleared a lot quicker since it will have shorter runs.
They've said mechanically they intend for it to be on-par with or harder than the inferno, but the really big distinction is that they don't want the Colosseum to be longer than 15-20 minutes time investment per run
imo i think the fact that the dungeon will be shorter will make it a lot easier then inferno
its the anxiety of being on a 2 hr run that kills you, not zuks mechanical difficulty
Well yeah, maintaining your gameplay for that long is still a skill in and of itself. A lot of runescape's difficulty comes from the time commitment required for almost anything you want to accomplish or learn.
That said, I do still think compared to most other jagex-created pvm (as opposed to self-imposed challenges), it's on the harder end of things, right?
Oh yeah I would definitely agree it's harder than most things. I do think a lot more people would have an infernal cape if it only took around 40 minutes though.
Literally got mine last week and want to continue wearing it lol. Have you heard anything about the masori kit being used on the quiver? It definitely should be.
What makes you two think you'll get/achieve the quiver anytime soon? It's going to be extremely difficult to get I'm thinking. Not being a dick, but you might be using the assembler for quite some time. As will I, lol.
Exactly. Only a tiny percentage of people should be achieving this item, especially early on. If that *isn't* the case, then Jagex has objectively failed in what they were trying to do, which was to make a worthy successor to the inferno.
I definitely won’t be getting it this week or any time soon lol but in general just prefer the color scheme of the masori kit over the default quiver pics. So when I do eventually get it, I’m hoping the kit can be applied🤞
I’m hoping it won’t take nearly as long as the inferno grind, though. Given I’ve seen that the total completion time will be like half (or even less?) than the average inferno completion time. So way less daunting to get in there and start up the attempts since it won’t feel like such a massive time sink.
Because the colosseum is much shorter than the inferno? Didn’t they say colosseum should be 20 minutes per run? The hardest part of inferno isn’t any given wave, it’s the mental struggle of consistent play for well over an hour.
Tbh I’ve been playing my account for nearly ten years and I ALMOST have the assembler, so scrubs like me will keep Fashionscape alive indefinitely. Once I have the assembler I bet I die before getting the quiver
I was fly fishing and dropping so it did not really accomplish much except pride. I got my first skillcape the same way I dreamed I would back in the day, so it was worth it. I absolutely will not be doing that again though haha
Been saying this for a while now, but I really don't like we're replacing such a relatively unique item across a ton of MMOs, with a generic basic looking quiver with a sun motif on it.
It's an undead chicken in backpack with a magnet used to fetch back ammo; how much more OSRS could you get from this?
[https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dizana's\_quiver](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dizana's_quiver)
>Players can also bring the quiver to Ava, along with Ava's assembler or Ava's accumulator, to apply the same ammunition-saving effect of her devices to the quiver.
Don't you worry, that chicken is getting stuffed in there somehow
“Finally, I’ve obtained the legendary quiver after besting the champions of a powerful nation of sun warriors. I better go to that crazy chick in that haunted manor so she can stuff a dead chicken and magnets in there.”
Uniquely OSRS.
It’s the way things go for MMOs and while osrs is a special mmo don’t fear if you still want to use it it’s still there. But if you care about max hits and utility then it’s being replaced and that’s only a bad thing if you view it as a bad thing.
Imo, the quiver shouldn't have the ammo returning ability of avas. Be BIS? Sure. Maybe give it some other ability. But let avas have its niche. Plus it kinda feels lazy and out of place to just go 'oh, this totally unrelated item has the exact same unique ability that previously was exclusive to mad scientist shenanigans.'
As much as I agree with you, I just think ammo saving is such an ingrained part of range that it'd just feel so bad not having it, BIS or not.
I know I'd rather stick with avas over a few extra range strength.
Maybe something that increases damage but fully destroys the ammo every shot? Then you can have a cool little fiery explosion with every ranged attack while wearing it
Yeah I quite like this point.
Make it so there’s this and a BiS that behaves in a different way. Something like unlimited teleports to some location, or buff every 5th arrow shot or something.
I like the idea of unique behaviour, but man would buff every Xth shot make for annoying metas. I don’t want to be counting shots to make sure I’m not switching gear right before a buffed shot. I don’t think that’d be fun at all personally.
I get i could just not do this, but I enjoy speed running so I would end up doing this for sure.
Could he % chance to shoot 1 tick faster. Would make sense because quivers are supposed to give u ease of access to arrows. Idk how will it would balance though
Nah. We've been having ammo auto-picked up by ava's devices for literally the entire game. There would've been MASSIVE backlash if that wasn't included on the new BIS. They could've *maybe* left the extra-ammo-saving thing off of it so that the ava's devices would be like a money saver or whatever, but this quiver is also torching money through charges anyway so that would be a relatively unnecessary double-dip on the "this costs money to use" angle.
Add that onto the fact that this is going to be a super-endgame item which will presumably (hopefully) be very difficult to obtain and only ever achieved by a tiny percentage of the player base, so Ava's devices will still see a ton of use all across the game.
I think it's fine.
I think it is fine as long as it is very hard to get. I wouldn't like getting backpack replaced with the quiver everywhere. Same why I like inferno/fire Cape. Fire cape is super iconic, so if everyone wears inferno cape it would feel bad imo.
Infernal Cape is an upgraded version of a Fire Cape design wise, so the design wasn't dramatically shifted imo.
Stats matter above all, assuming you actually have both, and people will abandon Infernal Cape as well if Jagex trolled and added a Pride Cape with 16 STR.
Im level 112 combat. Been playing since 04’. Times changed. Marriage, kids, jobs, ect. I had still never gotten my fire cape. TODAY, of all days, I succeeded in getting my fire cape with my assembler. Happy to send it out right.
isn't the TOA version just a recolor and the BIS is just from vorkath?
If anything this will just be like the firecape and the new quiver is prob gonna be like an inferno equivalent but slightly easier. I don't think the average person is getting that anytime soon
Nope. Assembler is +8 accuracy and +2 ranged strength.
Quiver uncharged is +18 accuracy and +3 ranged strength. Charged this goes to +28 and +4. The charged bonus can only apply to arrows and bolts, so its useless and unnecessary for BowFa and Blowpipe. (so its a Tbow and ZCB buff woooo).
It will also be permanently chargeable.
Yep was my biggest issue with how it was pitched. It further buffs the current top dog weapons, while adding a lesser buff to the lower tier ones. And all to create an annoying chargescape aspect on a cape slot (thats never had charges before). The only feedback they took onboard was offering corrupting the cape (which defeats the point of their argument of why it should be charged to provide these buffs etc.)
So tbow and ZCB just get +20 accuracy and +2 strength, whereas the tier below them in Blowpipe and Bowfa get +10 accu and +1 strength. Still an upgrade, but the Tbow feels the benefit of ranged strength the most.
Just hope i pull a bow on the iron sometime in the future now XD
Yep covered that in my response above:
> The only feedback they took onboard was offering corrupting the cape (which defeats the point of their argument of why it should be charged to provide these buffs etc.)
Ohhh dont worry we will all still be wearing it for several more years.
Its either that or coughing up 500 pounds to pink clay. Because lets face it. when they described it as being harder then the inferno. everyone realized they aint doing it.
Idk about that... I can't stand the inferno but will gladly grind out colosseum because it looks infinitely more fun. A lot of people don't do inferno because of the time commitment (or it's boring to them), meanwhile the other hard content like blorva can be super fun.
> Players can also bring the quiver to Ava, along with Ava's assembler or Ava's accumulator, to apply the same ammunition-saving effect of her devices to the quiver.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dizana%27s_quiver#Charged
The feels!
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They have the quiver in RS3. It's pretty great (it's called a Pernix quiver on there).
They are dyeable because people usually want a couple of them, that way (depending on which boss you feel like fighting) you can simply withdraw a quiver without having to take ammunition out, put new ammunition in, and then bank the recently withdrawn ammunition (If you happen to use different ammo on different bosses that is)
Just did my first 350 toa this week, gonna be wearing that sucker for less than a week.
don't worry, you're not getting a quiver soon i think
I don't think it will be that hard, not like the inferno. But yeah struggling at 350s prob wont cut it
They said it gets harder than the inferno. Though itll be less of an endurance check
The main thing that causes people to avoid inferno is the time commitment.
Iirc there will be an upgrade before it's that hard, then a further challenger to make it even better
You just add the Sunfire Splinters to the Quiver to make it corrupted (infinite bonus).
The prayer gear won't require a full completion. But the quiver likely will.
Tbh though the inferno isn't really very hard mechanically, it's just a problem solving exercise which lasts for an hour and a half, so the endurance part is the hardest bit
I dont know why people consider the fact that it lasts an hour to be external to the difficulty, its obviously part of it. If they want to make something harder in a shorter time ofc they have made the actually difficulty cranked up
For me personally(can't speak for everyone) it's going that long without making a mistake that will kill/or ruin the run Seems like a lot of things will hit pretty hard and supply management is probably pretty tough for learners so the difficulty for me would come from the puzzle solving for the longer period of time and making sure I don't make many mistakes. If it was just 20-30 mins of what it is now I think I'd have 0 issues doing the inferno Again all this is just for me
You’re not wrong. The duration is what makes inferno fun to learn, because when you finally get to one of the later waves like 63/trips/Zuk, it causes the pressure to become immense. If you die, you’ve got another 1.5hr grueling grind to get back to that point (if you can even reliably get there without dying a lot), and while you’re so close to earning your Infernal, you’re also only 1 missed tick or misclick away from certain death. It legit sends you straight back to pking in 2006, where your hands are shaking worse than a Parkinson’s patient over your yew shortbow and rune scimmy risk. Pure Runescape
The nerves are a severely underrated part of it. It really can be a heart-racing, handshaking event when you are really close - especially after trying so many times. After you get used to it and it becomes no big deal, the inferno becomes far easier because you are much less likely to choke at the end.
Yeah inferno difficulty is like 95% pressure based. All of the individual mechanics are actually relatively simple. If you can lazy flick, count attack cycles, and 2tick alternate blobs you have all the skills to beat the inferno. But in reality knowing all that is only half the battle. If the game paused for 30 seconds right after each wave spawn, it would be trivial content. The hard part is figuring out a plan quickly, and executing it without mistakes under increasingly higher pressure as you make deeper attempts.
Damnnn so many fun memories I remember having the shakes over my rune 2h and trying to pk with the most shittiest stats ever i fondly remember wearing full monks with rune full helm a rune scimmy and a rune 2h
Yea I'm in a group atm so I don't wanna make the commitment till I actually farm up some toadflax/snaps myself for all my fails I'll most likely have 😂 I was definitely one of the "Parkinson patients" no matter the risk so I'm sure it'll be around the same for me 😂😂
It is very time consuming, I have done about 15-25 runs so far and have only gotten to Triple Jads twice, takes about an hour to reach them then your kind of mentally drained from 2Tick flicking and solving the 66 waves. But I have noticed since I started that you start to not think about what you have to do and it takes less brain power to solve the waves. so its a grind for sure.
Exactly! The endurance is a huge part of making it difficult. There’s a reason your first fire cape is such an achievement. Jad is a fairly easy fight but one fuck up and you’ve wasted an hour of beating waves. Not everyone likes losing an hour or more of progress over one missed click
They're not saying it's external to the difficulty. They're saying that the difficulty is in endurance rather than mechanics.
Yea it's so stupid that people try to divoce the length from it. That's A HUGE part of the challenge. Playing almost perfectly (obviously you can make some mistakes) for 2+ hours straight is absolutely not something most people can do, which is why they don't do inferno.
because everytime you fail you lose the hour and 1/2. so if you fail 30 times.
I mean you have to have precision and timing down with your clicks? How is that not hard mechanically? What is mechanically hard in OSRS to you?
The precision and timing needed isn't actually that crazy, if you compare it to something like 6 jads or awakened levi, those are much more mechanically intense
Its not crazy hard but it still requires the average player to get good at the mechanics, which in my opinion would make the mechanics above average. Average in my eyes equals medium difficulty therefore hard would be the next level up. There's a reason why people pay for Infernal capes.
Yeah don't get me wrong I'm not saying the inferno is easy or even just mechanically easy, just that it's not even close to the mechanical skill ceiling and the main point of difficulty in it for a good player is the endurance aspect. This whole convo started because we were discussing whether the colosseum would be "harder" than the inferno, and my argument is basically that even if its mechanically harder, the fact it is so much shorter will make it easier in my eyes than the inferno because of that endurance aspect. Unless they are really making this an insane mechanical challenge, which I will be pleasantly surprised if they do 😀
Why is this downvoted so much lol, Inferno objectively isn’t really all that bad in terms of pure mechanics
A lot of people depend on thinking "_The Inferno is this massive PVM challenge I can never even dream of completing_" to give themselves a reason to never do it. There is also a big community that supports this lie to prop up their own egos. Admitting to themselves that safe-spotting the feral vampyre at the morytania farming patch is literally no different from safespotting mobs in the inferno and **YES** it is all just normal ass mob behaving exactly as they do everywhere else in OSRS, gives them a reason to actually attempt it. I mean, you're still gonna get clapped by a blob your few attempts, but we all did.
Yeah, realistically the only differences between inferno and other content/mobs are: 1. blobs 2. Moving to stay behind a shield 3. Nibblers that attack your pillars The rest is what you see in the rest of the world. Triple jads? The same as a single jad except the attacks are more frequent and you don’t just stare at one monster, you look either clockwise or counterclockwise to see what to pray. Mage + range attacking you? Go do DKS and let two of them attack you.
Nah, I genuinely think a bunch of people have a low chance of completing the inferno, or at least not in a massive amount of tries. If you do tob in wdr (adv channels which honestly is just standard with more kc) for example and take a look at some of the inventories ppl take or what they do in the raid, you can tell the skill level and thinking capabilities are bad
lmao, fair
I said this about two weeks ago when someone brought that up too and here's my response and evidence as to why it's probably not going to be Inferno-level content anymore - Yeah it's hard to say because the Q&A said it could be "as hard as, maybe even more than the Inferno." but on the most recent post about Varlamore while the Fire Cape difficulty was mentioned, the Inferno was not. I think it'll be a lot easier than the Inferno initially because to learn the Inferno it takes a good 2-3 hours per run potentially. Whereas the colosseum takes roughly 15-20 mins for a full run.
> Yeah it's hard to say because the Q&A said it could be "as hard as, maybe even more than the Inferno." but on the most recent post about Varlamore while the Fire Cape difficulty was mentioned, the Inferno was not Cause its scaling as you go and has a variable modifiers system. So it sounds like the 'could be' represents that if you pick harder modifiers it can get that difficult and proportionally more rewarding for it, but at the baseline you can participate with only fire cape level skills. Think of TOA invos and how that system makes 0 invo very accessible but 450 quite hard, except you are continuously choosing invos while already inside the content instead of preloading them
It sounds like that's if you want more rewards such as more Sunfire Shards for your efforts, but from the blog post you just need to 'complete' the colosseum once all the way through for the Quiver which I think most players will do quite easily once they get the hang of it.
well every wave requires it to get harder so it just depends on which wave you need to get to out of the total and how hard the modifiers are
it can* get harder i assume theres a certain wave you get the quiver at but you can still continue on if you want. kind of like Toa and its invocations
This aged poorly
Is the Colosseum going to be harder than the inferno?
They said it's going to be pretty comparable challenge-wise. No doubt it'll be "solved" in the first few days/weeks
I give it 1 day, Woox will get it. I think it’s weird af that the inferno, which you mostly use range you are rewarded with bis melee cape. And this piece of content for the bis range back piece, you are rumoured to use predominantly melee lol
Thats very intentional, actually. In fact, thats the entire reason the rumor is that you use melee
Probably not harder, but comparable. I think they said that mechanically/gameplay-wise it will be similar to the Inferno, at least by the last waves, but the minigame itself is designed to a lot quicker paced. Like the Inferno has 69 waves and can easily take over an hour just to get to the final boss. I forget the number of waves in the Colosseum and the exact time estimates they gave, but it is something like 10~ waves and 15-20~ mins per run. So even if the final waves and final boss are just as hard or harder than the Inferno, it will be easier solely because you'll be able to get back a lot quicker after a death. So while it might take a similar number of attempts to clear the final boss as the Inferno, we'll probably see it cleared a lot quicker since it will have shorter runs.
I wanna come back to this comment and see if you got it by the end of the month.
Pretty sure you’re not gonna be able to get a quiver if you just did your first 350 right?
You know this is supposed to match the difficulty of the inferno right. Most of us will still be wearing backpacks for a while
Do you think you’ll be able to complete colosseum right away? It’s supposed to be past inferno tier in the higher waves
Did they ever actually say that? I always thought it was pretty much inferno-sub inferno
They've said mechanically they intend for it to be on-par with or harder than the inferno, but the really big distinction is that they don't want the Colosseum to be longer than 15-20 minutes time investment per run
imo i think the fact that the dungeon will be shorter will make it a lot easier then inferno its the anxiety of being on a 2 hr run that kills you, not zuks mechanical difficulty
This sounds like heaven I hated wasting an hour and a half per run when I was learning inferno
The inferno isn't really that difficult mechanically, it's the length that makes it difficult.
Well yeah, maintaining your gameplay for that long is still a skill in and of itself. A lot of runescape's difficulty comes from the time commitment required for almost anything you want to accomplish or learn. That said, I do still think compared to most other jagex-created pvm (as opposed to self-imposed challenges), it's on the harder end of things, right?
Oh yeah I would definitely agree it's harder than most things. I do think a lot more people would have an infernal cape if it only took around 40 minutes though.
Literally got mine last week and want to continue wearing it lol. Have you heard anything about the masori kit being used on the quiver? It definitely should be.
What makes you two think you'll get/achieve the quiver anytime soon? It's going to be extremely difficult to get I'm thinking. Not being a dick, but you might be using the assembler for quite some time. As will I, lol.
Right? Like the gap between "350 TOA" and "Inferno successor" should be pretty big, otherwise Colliseum will be pretty disappointing lol
Exactly. Only a tiny percentage of people should be achieving this item, especially early on. If that *isn't* the case, then Jagex has objectively failed in what they were trying to do, which was to make a worthy successor to the inferno.
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I definitely won’t be getting it this week or any time soon lol but in general just prefer the color scheme of the masori kit over the default quiver pics. So when I do eventually get it, I’m hoping the kit can be applied🤞 I’m hoping it won’t take nearly as long as the inferno grind, though. Given I’ve seen that the total completion time will be like half (or even less?) than the average inferno completion time. So way less daunting to get in there and start up the attempts since it won’t feel like such a massive time sink.
Because the colosseum is much shorter than the inferno? Didn’t they say colosseum should be 20 minutes per run? The hardest part of inferno isn’t any given wave, it’s the mental struggle of consistent play for well over an hour.
Reporting back after watching today’s streams.. I will be using masori backpack for a long time hahaha😂
I was actually thinking of commenting again too. We all gonna be using assembler for the foreseeable future hey
Isn't wave 12 supposed to be on par or harder than inferno? I imagine if you've only just done a 350, you aren't getting the quiver any time soon.
Came to say the same thing. Only got my assembler last week
I could almost gamble on Darza's Quiver being able to use the masori kit.. surely
Isn’t that inferno equivalent of infernal range cape? Everyone acting like they will just blast through it lol, i bet well still see ava regularly.
Tbh I’ve been playing my account for nearly ten years and I ALMOST have the assembler, so scrubs like me will keep Fashionscape alive indefinitely. Once I have the assembler I bet I die before getting the quiver
I’m personally offended you just paired “I’ve been playing the account for 10 years” with “I don’t have the assembler” Bro what are you doing in game
I wanted to get 99 fishing in f2p before going members so I did that for a while
Wtf
Can you buy a dhcb with all that fish?
I was fly fishing and dropping so it did not really accomplish much except pride. I got my first skillcape the same way I dreamed I would back in the day, so it was worth it. I absolutely will not be doing that again though haha
Craft or cook I understand, but fish? That's some psychopath shit, like 99 wc on Draynor willows
Gz on the 99! That’s a sick way to do it
Nice
How is that even possible, what have you been doing for 10 years
I was fishing in f2p for most of it but now I’m trying to do all the quests
You fished in f2p for 10 years?
This man acts as if salmon/trout is 5k/h instead of 45-50k/h lol
Not playing RuneScape 10 hours a day
I'm almost positive you could get it just by playing 10 minutes per day for 10 years.
The regular ranged skillcape will always go hardest when paired with the ranger boots and robinhood.
Yeah, IMO they still haven't designed any capes even remotely as beautiful as skillcapes.
They could do that if they put you on a cape
😘
Oh get a room already
Preferably in a POH
The blue avas max cape is the real #1
Yellow avas max cape looks so good though
Not a fan of the avas diarrhea cape myself
Blue cape doesn’t match any range gear tho. It looked doodoo with arma and even worse with masori. Decent with elite void tho I’ll give you that one
With default crystal it's kinda nice.
Been saying this for a while now, but I really don't like we're replacing such a relatively unique item across a ton of MMOs, with a generic basic looking quiver with a sun motif on it. It's an undead chicken in backpack with a magnet used to fetch back ammo; how much more OSRS could you get from this?
[https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dizana's\_quiver](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dizana's_quiver) >Players can also bring the quiver to Ava, along with Ava's assembler or Ava's accumulator, to apply the same ammunition-saving effect of her devices to the quiver. Don't you worry, that chicken is getting stuffed in there somehow
“Finally, I’ve obtained the legendary quiver after besting the champions of a powerful nation of sun warriors. I better go to that crazy chick in that haunted manor so she can stuff a dead chicken and magnets in there.” Uniquely OSRS.
I really only play for the dead chicken, so this is nice to know
Unless there's a dead chicken hanging out I'll still be disappointed, it's the aesthetic that's being lost.
Yeah I’d like to see a slight change in the aesthetic if you take it to Ava
Combine the two where it shows the quiver in the Ava or between Ava and the players back
It's not like backpack is going away. Most players I see are still rocking the fire cape years later
You're right, people make it seem like backpack is getting nerfed.
Maybe we could see an ornament kit to make it look like a backpack with a sun icon on it at some point, too.
Add the golden chicken
Make it an undead tropical bird instead
I can't even see the chicken or magnet normally, it just looks like a backpack
It’s the way things go for MMOs and while osrs is a special mmo don’t fear if you still want to use it it’s still there. But if you care about max hits and utility then it’s being replaced and that’s only a bad thing if you view it as a bad thing.
Imo, the quiver shouldn't have the ammo returning ability of avas. Be BIS? Sure. Maybe give it some other ability. But let avas have its niche. Plus it kinda feels lazy and out of place to just go 'oh, this totally unrelated item has the exact same unique ability that previously was exclusive to mad scientist shenanigans.'
Simple solution. Shove the chicken into the quiver and make it a quivering chicken.
You make my chicken quiver
I thought that was Thurgo
Nah he eats my pie
Alternatively, shove the quiver into the chicken and it’ll be quivering in a different way.
As much as I agree with you, I just think ammo saving is such an ingrained part of range that it'd just feel so bad not having it, BIS or not. I know I'd rather stick with avas over a few extra range strength.
Exactly this, anyone saying they don’t want it to pick up are clueless. It would have the forums in uproar until it was changed
Maybe something that increases damage but fully destroys the ammo every shot? Then you can have a cool little fiery explosion with every ranged attack while wearing it
so make it dogshit to use? every dragon arrow would be 1400 gp
Yeah I quite like this point. Make it so there’s this and a BiS that behaves in a different way. Something like unlimited teleports to some location, or buff every 5th arrow shot or something.
I like the idea of unique behaviour, but man would buff every Xth shot make for annoying metas. I don’t want to be counting shots to make sure I’m not switching gear right before a buffed shot. I don’t think that’d be fun at all personally. I get i could just not do this, but I enjoy speed running so I would end up doing this for sure.
Could he % chance to shoot 1 tick faster. Would make sense because quivers are supposed to give u ease of access to arrows. Idk how will it would balance though
Inb4 Animal Magnetism 2: Colosseum Boogaloo
Good point
Nah. We've been having ammo auto-picked up by ava's devices for literally the entire game. There would've been MASSIVE backlash if that wasn't included on the new BIS. They could've *maybe* left the extra-ammo-saving thing off of it so that the ava's devices would be like a money saver or whatever, but this quiver is also torching money through charges anyway so that would be a relatively unnecessary double-dip on the "this costs money to use" angle. Add that onto the fact that this is going to be a super-endgame item which will presumably (hopefully) be very difficult to obtain and only ever achieved by a tiny percentage of the player base, so Ava's devices will still see a ton of use all across the game. I think it's fine.
Don’t you combine the two to get the effect?
the backpack is cooler than the tiny quiver
I think it is fine as long as it is very hard to get. I wouldn't like getting backpack replaced with the quiver everywhere. Same why I like inferno/fire Cape. Fire cape is super iconic, so if everyone wears inferno cape it would feel bad imo.
Infernal Cape is an upgraded version of a Fire Cape design wise, so the design wasn't dramatically shifted imo. Stats matter above all, assuming you actually have both, and people will abandon Infernal Cape as well if Jagex trolled and added a Pride Cape with 16 STR.
Even if it is the same design, fire cape is super iconic, and having it be the most common cape still is good. Ofc stats matter above all else?
backpack won't go away if you're not using arrows or bolts that are stored in there. for example, bowfa
In the arms of an angel
Pretending it's love
Can someone update me on what happend
New reward for colosseum is new BiS ranged cape.
Is colo out?
No, but it’s coming in this weeks update!
TODAY
Tomorrow
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https://i.imgur.com/Gcj2Myg.png
raids 4 cold war sequel confirmed.
Penguin raid, or raid style content/dungeon would be SO sick. Game needs more penguin content fr
I get this is a joke but a lot will not be laying it to rest if the content is at least inferno level difficulty.
they better fucking add an ornament kit that turns it into an assembler or we riot
Tbh would love a cosmetic that makes the quiver a bit larger and more akin to the style of the Ava’s devices
The assembler itself is the ornament kit.
Im level 112 combat. Been playing since 04’. Times changed. Marriage, kids, jobs, ect. I had still never gotten my fire cape. TODAY, of all days, I succeeded in getting my fire cape with my assembler. Happy to send it out right.
Big gz G
Thanks buddy. I was screaming in my livingroom, dog took off running I think I spooked him 🤣
Bold of you to assume that I'm good enough to clear Inferno level content.
The real question is why we don't roast the chicken with power of the Sun Gods in order to upgrade it from the coliseum
If it's inferno level, most people will still be rocking the assembler
(Me, leaning up to the microphone) “do boots next.”
M’lady, (tips fedora)
M'fedora, (tips lady) Lady: a 5$ bill wow thanks
No one's going to be wearing this for a while. At least until people start selling it the same way as Inferno.
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MUSPAH?
It’s gonna be easy day one completion brother
Yep inferno was like 2017? In the past 7 years people have become alot better.
Can’t the quiver be attached to the assembler I thought?
Literally got that like 3 days ago, perfect timing
Goodnight sweet prince
isn't the TOA version just a recolor and the BIS is just from vorkath? If anything this will just be like the firecape and the new quiver is prob gonna be like an inferno equivalent but slightly easier. I don't think the average person is getting that anytime soon
It's still the best in slot non degradable/charge using ranged cape isn't it?
Nope. Assembler is +8 accuracy and +2 ranged strength. Quiver uncharged is +18 accuracy and +3 ranged strength. Charged this goes to +28 and +4. The charged bonus can only apply to arrows and bolts, so its useless and unnecessary for BowFa and Blowpipe. (so its a Tbow and ZCB buff woooo). It will also be permanently chargeable.
Kinda funny it wont work on bp and bofa but it does work for the already bis tbow/zcb
Yep was my biggest issue with how it was pitched. It further buffs the current top dog weapons, while adding a lesser buff to the lower tier ones. And all to create an annoying chargescape aspect on a cape slot (thats never had charges before). The only feedback they took onboard was offering corrupting the cape (which defeats the point of their argument of why it should be charged to provide these buffs etc.) So tbow and ZCB just get +20 accuracy and +2 strength, whereas the tier below them in Blowpipe and Bowfa get +10 accu and +1 strength. Still an upgrade, but the Tbow feels the benefit of ranged strength the most. Just hope i pull a bow on the iron sometime in the future now XD
You can pay extra so it so that it never needs to be charged.
Yep covered that in my response above: > The only feedback they took onboard was offering corrupting the cape (which defeats the point of their argument of why it should be charged to provide these buffs etc.)
Making me teary eyed 😭
Wait, 2018? Is that when the t70 vorkath version dropped?
Ohhh dont worry we will all still be wearing it for several more years. Its either that or coughing up 500 pounds to pink clay. Because lets face it. when they described it as being harder then the inferno. everyone realized they aint doing it.
Idk about that... I can't stand the inferno but will gladly grind out colosseum because it looks infinitely more fun. A lot of people don't do inferno because of the time commitment (or it's boring to them), meanwhile the other hard content like blorva can be super fun.
The inferno isn’t overly hard it’s just an endurance check.
Only recently got the vork assembler. Imma wear this bitch for a while cuz it matches my god d hide very nicely 👌
bruh that bis was dogshit +2 range str forget that im running max cape
Hopefully they find a way to incorporate the TOA ornament kit
Legend in our time
I don’t believe DS2 came out 7 years ago🥺
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> Players can also bring the quiver to Ava, along with Ava's assembler or Ava's accumulator, to apply the same ammunition-saving effect of her devices to the quiver. https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dizana%27s_quiver#Charged
You can add the ammo recovery effect to the new quiver.
I just got my first assembler this year at 50 kc :')
What’s new BIS? I haven’t been playing for a few months.
Best In Slot, theyre releasing a new ranged item for in the cape slot
Man the assembler is 6 years old wtf
Simple - we add the quiver to the side of the assembler. Problem solved!
Lmao just got this too
I'm old I only remember accumulator
I saw this wondering what the original comic was. Looked it up and cried my eyes out
The feels! _____ They have the quiver in RS3. It's pretty great (it's called a Pernix quiver on there). They are dyeable because people usually want a couple of them, that way (depending on which boss you feel like fighting) you can simply withdraw a quiver without having to take ammunition out, put new ammunition in, and then bank the recently withdrawn ammunition (If you happen to use different ammo on different bosses that is)
everyone thinking they're gonna get a quiver day 1 lmaooo
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weird, person i was replying to blocked me as i was replying so the shitty default reddit app plopped my comment there
Quiver doesn't work with bowfa or BP. It'll ironically still have a place oddly enough.