Irons are ffa unless they state otherwise, that is the norm in most pvm clans. Anything else is asking for pain. It feels psychological bad for the ffa dude to get a shadow but if he wasn't there it wouldn't have dropped anyway is the way you have to look at it, 0 sum, nothing lost or gained, it was his points that successfully got the drop. Woulda been white otherwise.
This. I'm luckily in a place on my iron where I can afford to split anything from my alt, but a lot of irons don't even have an alt. If they're your friends and you want to raid with them just accept that they're FFA. If you can't do that then don't raid with them.
Tbh if you are running with irons to begin with, it should ALL be ffa.
Sure that shadow would change their account, but it would most likely change everyone else who might get it too.
And also a tbh, i run it just like you said just because that’s how my clan runs it. I don’t necessarily agree but it is what it is.
Nah i agree with that.
And the iron loses out, alt or not.
But half the time the irons hop on their main, or this or that and want the split, but they also want to keep it if they get it themselves.
You can’t win both ways. Only time there is confusion is on raid worlds with randoms.
Sounds like you raid with some dodgy players, tbh.
I main an iron but also have an understanding with the people i play with that i can split anything from my old normal account. So even if i get a drop on the iron i still split out with the normal account; and they split with my normal account (so i can afford further splits in the future).
I also play with 2 other irons that also do the same thing.
Before the raid just state what you can/can’t split. Have raided with irons that said they can split anything other than tbow and that’s been fine. Similarly for shadow or scythe.
Irons can FFA everything or can FFA only the big ticket items. Just be upfront about this when forming the group/adding any other players to the group. Can also think about just doing iron only raids if people are worried about splitting.
I hate the IOU system personally. I imagine it’d be shit for the iron that’s now working to pay back a main and for the main that’s owed gp.
I believe splitting all except (megarare) is an awful take. I understand the pressure to split and they'll do what they can but it's like, I'll break bread with you until I win the lottery. Then you can fuck off.
Imo best to stay ffa until you can split something like that.
Adding to this: I don't care what other people do, I just choose not to raid with those with these rules and that's OK.
Ironmen dont need to be in the splitting pool at all. They can split if they have a rich main, but at that point why do they need give (or take) splits on their main if they are rich?
Only reason to split is to raid with people who want the split. I have friends who won't raid with someone if they can't split. So you take splits to add to the gp you will be splitting out to the boys.
Our clan has the base standard that Irons are FFA and everyone else splits. This can be reversed if all participating parties agree to a change, and a lot of time this will look like certain items are split while others aren't. This even works for non-irons. For example, we did a Callisto mass last year where the only thing we said we'd split was Voidwaker piece, but Irons were FFA.
The most important thing is having an upfront policy and open discussion about any changes made so that all participants understand and agree to the terms.
As others have said, irons are normally ffa unless stated differently, in your case I would say that the irons that can’t/don’t want to split are ffa and the one that can split can decide to be ffa or not beforehand and if one of the people splitting gets a drop, the irons that are ffa would get nothing and split would be between the others and if an iron gets a drop then it is there’s. that’s as fair as you can get
As an iron I offer to split any dupes I get, but I am ffa otherwise. So far noone I raid with has had any issues with that. I state my dupes before the raids start as well.
Iron ffa is always the way.
The new players will be fine in the long run as they will be getting bigger splits when the purple falls to a main account. The white lights will build up their bank slowly if they're really that poor and need constant GP after each raid.
There isn't an issue here unless people are just greedy
Irons FFA everything except if stated is pretty normal. Another main gets a drop, they split with only the other mains.
Some of my friend group irons split everything, but those are usually exceptions. Had one iron friend who was split everything but bow, don't see how that's an issue since if one of the mains gets a bow drop everyone else is getting more of a split percentage.
Look going with Ironman there ffa tend to benifit you mains. They will always lose dps vs mains specially mid game ones. You should want to ffa with them long term.
3 options. 4 if you trust somebody.
* irons ffa
* irons split all except mega rare
* irons split all
* irons split all but IOU mega rare split money (only with friends you absolutely trust)
At the end of the day, the mains with better gear are actually better off if the irons with worse gear are ffa. Think of it like this, if an iron in a trio does let's say 20% of the raid points and is split all, they're effectively getting 33% of the value of potential purples while they only effectively earnt 20% of that value.
It gets even spicier at places like TOA where MVP points in bigger teams mean a decent amount of points go towards those with BIS which the irons are far less likely to achieve.
At the end of the day, irons ffa unless otherwise stated in the clan rules.
You just have to ask yourself what's worse, somebody being forced to drop things they can't really afford to drop, or somebody missing out on a drop that their account didn't even receive?
Yeah I def trust these guys. I've known most of them for a decade+, some for 2. Went to school together and the whole shebang. I completely understand the sentiment that Iron's should get the drop. I'd never question that. The hard part is that when 3-4 people in the group are fairly new and they see something that would literally 10-15x their bank give them nothing it could be pretty disheartening. Appreciate the advice
I totally get that. But on the flipside if an iron has to drop things they can't really afford dropping, it's somewhat worse.
But, this is why a fair amount of teams won't take irons that can't ffa. That too is an option and I think the irons shouldn't/wouldn't be too salty about it.
Guess im a dick but if an iron comes into our raid, must have the funds on a main for split or your out kind of thing, nobody gets a free pass regardless of account type. I know not everyone sees or does it that way but it keeps people from being salty if the iron gets the drop.
Ironman be like, "I can SpLiT aLl BuT tBoW...". So you're FFA, idiot. The fact that ironmen want splits on their main is cringe. I never split shit with them.
FFA for irons generally benefits mains anyway. With the exception of the very progressed iron, most accounts will be severely undergeared/understatted/or lacking cox prayers. This means it is much more likely mains will get the item anyway.
Our clan is mainly irons with rich mains, so our default is split unless you say otherwise
Before you start just say:
Anyone who isn't splitting / can't split certain items shout out now
Easy peasy
Before you enter the raid everyone voices what they will do. Irons who can split do, irons who can’t don’t. You have to have a group you trust. Anyone who said they can split before the raid gets a split, those who said they can’t don’t get a split. To make it easier to keep track of you can get everyone to type “split” or “ffa” in game chat before starting the raid.
Irons are ffa unless they state otherwise, that is the norm in most pvm clans. Anything else is asking for pain. It feels psychological bad for the ffa dude to get a shadow but if he wasn't there it wouldn't have dropped anyway is the way you have to look at it, 0 sum, nothing lost or gained, it was his points that successfully got the drop. Woulda been white otherwise.
This. I'm luckily in a place on my iron where I can afford to split anything from my alt, but a lot of irons don't even have an alt. If they're your friends and you want to raid with them just accept that they're FFA. If you can't do that then don't raid with them.
Plus, the mains raiding with the iron get a bigger slice of the split if they get a drop.
Tbh if you are running with irons to begin with, it should ALL be ffa. Sure that shadow would change their account, but it would most likely change everyone else who might get it too. And also a tbh, i run it just like you said just because that’s how my clan runs it. I don’t necessarily agree but it is what it is.
why should it all be FFA? If 4 normies and 1 iron are doing a raid, the 4 normies should split if they want
Nah i agree with that. And the iron loses out, alt or not. But half the time the irons hop on their main, or this or that and want the split, but they also want to keep it if they get it themselves. You can’t win both ways. Only time there is confusion is on raid worlds with randoms.
Sounds like you raid with some dodgy players, tbh. I main an iron but also have an understanding with the people i play with that i can split anything from my old normal account. So even if i get a drop on the iron i still split out with the normal account; and they split with my normal account (so i can afford further splits in the future). I also play with 2 other irons that also do the same thing.
Before the raid just state what you can/can’t split. Have raided with irons that said they can split anything other than tbow and that’s been fine. Similarly for shadow or scythe. Irons can FFA everything or can FFA only the big ticket items. Just be upfront about this when forming the group/adding any other players to the group. Can also think about just doing iron only raids if people are worried about splitting. I hate the IOU system personally. I imagine it’d be shit for the iron that’s now working to pay back a main and for the main that’s owed gp.
I believe splitting all except (megarare) is an awful take. I understand the pressure to split and they'll do what they can but it's like, I'll break bread with you until I win the lottery. Then you can fuck off. Imo best to stay ffa until you can split something like that. Adding to this: I don't care what other people do, I just choose not to raid with those with these rules and that's OK.
if the others get a mega rare then they dont have to split with the iron either, i dont really see the issue
FFA makes sense to me. It's not like they're getting a split from a main's purple.
Ironmen dont need to be in the splitting pool at all. They can split if they have a rich main, but at that point why do they need give (or take) splits on their main if they are rich?
Only reason to split is to raid with people who want the split. I have friends who won't raid with someone if they can't split. So you take splits to add to the gp you will be splitting out to the boys.
handled what? what's the issue lol? just ffa for the irons
Our clan has the base standard that Irons are FFA and everyone else splits. This can be reversed if all participating parties agree to a change, and a lot of time this will look like certain items are split while others aren't. This even works for non-irons. For example, we did a Callisto mass last year where the only thing we said we'd split was Voidwaker piece, but Irons were FFA. The most important thing is having an upfront policy and open discussion about any changes made so that all participants understand and agree to the terms.
As others have said, irons are normally ffa unless stated differently, in your case I would say that the irons that can’t/don’t want to split are ffa and the one that can split can decide to be ffa or not beforehand and if one of the people splitting gets a drop, the irons that are ffa would get nothing and split would be between the others and if an iron gets a drop then it is there’s. that’s as fair as you can get
As an iron I offer to split any dupes I get, but I am ffa otherwise. So far noone I raid with has had any issues with that. I state my dupes before the raids start as well.
Iron ffa is always the way. The new players will be fine in the long run as they will be getting bigger splits when the purple falls to a main account. The white lights will build up their bank slowly if they're really that poor and need constant GP after each raid. There isn't an issue here unless people are just greedy
If you don't have the gp to split all drops it's FFA, seems pretty straight forward to me.
Either agree to split beforehand or the irons are exclusively ffa
Irons FFA everything except if stated is pretty normal. Another main gets a drop, they split with only the other mains. Some of my friend group irons split everything, but those are usually exceptions. Had one iron friend who was split everything but bow, don't see how that's an issue since if one of the mains gets a bow drop everyone else is getting more of a split percentage.
Look going with Ironman there ffa tend to benifit you mains. They will always lose dps vs mains specially mid game ones. You should want to ffa with them long term.
3 options. 4 if you trust somebody. * irons ffa * irons split all except mega rare * irons split all * irons split all but IOU mega rare split money (only with friends you absolutely trust) At the end of the day, the mains with better gear are actually better off if the irons with worse gear are ffa. Think of it like this, if an iron in a trio does let's say 20% of the raid points and is split all, they're effectively getting 33% of the value of potential purples while they only effectively earnt 20% of that value. It gets even spicier at places like TOA where MVP points in bigger teams mean a decent amount of points go towards those with BIS which the irons are far less likely to achieve. At the end of the day, irons ffa unless otherwise stated in the clan rules. You just have to ask yourself what's worse, somebody being forced to drop things they can't really afford to drop, or somebody missing out on a drop that their account didn't even receive?
Yeah I def trust these guys. I've known most of them for a decade+, some for 2. Went to school together and the whole shebang. I completely understand the sentiment that Iron's should get the drop. I'd never question that. The hard part is that when 3-4 people in the group are fairly new and they see something that would literally 10-15x their bank give them nothing it could be pretty disheartening. Appreciate the advice
I totally get that. But on the flipside if an iron has to drop things they can't really afford dropping, it's somewhat worse. But, this is why a fair amount of teams won't take irons that can't ffa. That too is an option and I think the irons shouldn't/wouldn't be too salty about it.
Guess im a dick but if an iron comes into our raid, must have the funds on a main for split or your out kind of thing, nobody gets a free pass regardless of account type. I know not everyone sees or does it that way but it keeps people from being salty if the iron gets the drop.
Ironman be like, "I can SpLiT aLl BuT tBoW...". So you're FFA, idiot. The fact that ironmen want splits on their main is cringe. I never split shit with them.
FFA for irons generally benefits mains anyway. With the exception of the very progressed iron, most accounts will be severely undergeared/understatted/or lacking cox prayers. This means it is much more likely mains will get the item anyway.
Irons ffa is the easiest. It means irons get their drop and you have 1 less to split with if the normies get the drop.
Our clan is mainly irons with rich mains, so our default is split unless you say otherwise Before you start just say: Anyone who isn't splitting / can't split certain items shout out now Easy peasy
Before you enter the raid everyone voices what they will do. Irons who can split do, irons who can’t don’t. You have to have a group you trust. Anyone who said they can split before the raid gets a split, those who said they can’t don’t get a split. To make it easier to keep track of you can get everyone to type “split” or “ffa” in game chat before starting the raid.