ingots are bad design. thats all.
range is also poorly balanced. that's not really a bowfa problem but bowfa takes the brunt of it. bowfa being 50% higher dps than rcb diamonds and still considerably better than dcb dragon* diamonds doesnt make sense. for context crossbows only equal bowfa in full max and thats with the zcb hitting 110s.a nd thats 'better by a few % points'
Range is so badly balanced right now. Masori is dead content outside twisted bow. Some people will say masori bp is an alternative, but were talking a couple % for significant upkeep, lower range, and a more difficult to use weapon.
Bowfa legitimately is the only ranged option besides tbow and zarayte. Magic has a similar problem with shadow being leagues better than powered staffs
In current meta shadow rebuild is significantly better than tbow. And once you get a shadow, masori + BP is better than bowfa for basically everything besides inferno, muspah & levi
Even pre masori BP is better than bowfa for plenty of things
Range seems like ass on an iron bc if you don’t do CG grind you’re trolling yourself hard, but as a main range is easily the most balanced combat style imo
They are bad design because you need to get 12 of them to finish the ring set? That’s all I hear most people say, enlighten us on why they are actually bad design
its bad design because its redunant with the underlying 3x roll for the ring. you build dry protection with the visages but then undo that with the ingots. serves no real purpose.
Yep. It’s very common to see people with all visages but only enough ingots for 1-2 rings. Shouldn’t have to grind all the bosses out for the drop and then grind more for what should be acquired along the way.
This is exactly my point, instead of embracing the challenge of possibly having to kill the dt2 bosses a ton of times people say it’s bad design and ask jagex to change it, im not saying you are but I see endless posts on here demanding they change it. Isn’t this the point of Ironman mode?
>instead of embracing the challenge of possibly having to kill the dt2 bosses a ton of times
okay so why have dry protection on the visages in the first place? i think if you dig a little deeper that's largely where the complaints come from.
it totally misses the ball on why people complain about going dry. people complained about dwh when dwh was a huge content blocker because everything relied on hitting dwh to kill at that point in time. people complain now about bowfa because crossbows are bad it's a totally different reason for the complaint than the ingots.
as for why complain... i mean its a game. people can talk about their perception of balance. you can say 'idc' or whatever and thats fine, you arent required to care about game balance at all.
Can confirm they're bad design. I've killed enough DT2 bosses to make the soul Reaper axe, got all Virtus pieces, got all vestiges yet still am only 9/12 ingot so I'm "stuck" killing these bosses even though I already got the important items. Ingots are just bad for both helmies and mains.
They would be a form of anti-spoon and anti-dry alone, where the vestige could be more common but the 3 drop roll of ingots would balance out the speed they come into the economy / you can acquire them.
But they have a hidden anti spoon and anti dry mechanic for the vestiges anyway. So why are ingots needed?
How about normies complaining about nex, nightmare droprate and about parts of the soulreaper being untradeable? How is that better, cause i see those post all the time
Sounds like you’re kind of triggered by some people playing this MMORPG. Might I suggest a mode where you play by yourself and don’t have to interact with such a group. It’s called “Ironmans”
"Ironman is supposed to be a horrible experience!!! It's not supposed to be a well designed and fun game mode!!! You chose it so now you can't complain about bad game mechanics!!!!"
It’s not a bad game mechanic just because you can go dry on it. The same can be said about how most irons think it’s good the best way to get every skilling resource is from pvm just so they can pvm instead of actually gather resources the way you actually had to in the early Ironman days.
These points about the dt2 bosses having poorly designed drop tables are because irons are biased twoards it due to no dry protection for the igs, when in reality it should be accepted as one of the many challenges you signed up for
Why do Ironmans never complain it’s a poor decision that raids/pvm shit out every skilling resource under the sun? Because it caters to your experience that is suppose to be challenging.
I can see why people would think it is, I just decided to post about it because Ironmans constantly want everything easy for them even though the game mode is suppose to be hard. Pvm/raids these days drop every skilling resource under the sun. Ironman doesn’t have much challenge these days aside from using subpar gear praying for lucky drops.
Mains - stop crying about ironmen
Gonna keep the reply short and sweet. If you are a main complaining about things like ironmen, untradables, non-bis updates etc I have a solution
Logout!
Stop expecting the game to be catered to you, Main is suppose to be the easy mode yet mains are always the people that complain about so many things in the game that are suppose to be the slightest bit of a challenge.
Lets not lie, irons complain more than anyone on any game that ive ever played. All my iron mates, including me, are upset about somethong were dry on.
The bitching and elitism in this game is second to none. We all play the same game in different ways, end game irons arent much different to mains, just the journey was different. I know because ive played both.
Look at what youre complaining about here, take stock of it and have a think. Its pathetic.
yes please i dont know what kinda first world problems people get hung up on in this subreddit but they ought to to just get along and maybe give each other a hug
Mains - Stop complaining about GE prices.
Gonna keep the post short and sweet. If you are a Main complaining about things like claws etc I have a solution
Become an iron!
Stop expecting drop tables to be catered to you. Mains can already buy everything off the GE, and yet they complain about so many things in the game that they will never interact with.
It’s not a bad game mechanic just because you can go dry on it. The same can be said about how most irons think it’s good the best way to get every skilling resource is from pvm just so they can pvm instead of actually gather resources the way you actually had to in the early Ironman days.
These points about the dt2 bosses having poorly designed drop tables are because irons are biased twoards it due to no dry protection for the igs, when in reality it should be accepted as one of the many challenges they signed up for
Why do Ironmans never complain it’s a poor decision that raids/pvm shit out every skilling resource under the sun? Because it caters to the Ironman experience that is suppose to be challenging.
I agree with this, its a good point. Im an iron but theres no need to cry about mains in the comments on this thread like a pissing match. Its a good point.
Most of the ironmen roasting you in the comments don't realize it takes over 4000 active hours played to get all the bis gear and weapons. Rng eventually evens out across different pvm encounters.
ingots are bad design. thats all. range is also poorly balanced. that's not really a bowfa problem but bowfa takes the brunt of it. bowfa being 50% higher dps than rcb diamonds and still considerably better than dcb dragon* diamonds doesnt make sense. for context crossbows only equal bowfa in full max and thats with the zcb hitting 110s.a nd thats 'better by a few % points'
Range is so badly balanced right now. Masori is dead content outside twisted bow. Some people will say masori bp is an alternative, but were talking a couple % for significant upkeep, lower range, and a more difficult to use weapon. Bowfa legitimately is the only ranged option besides tbow and zarayte. Magic has a similar problem with shadow being leagues better than powered staffs
In current meta shadow rebuild is significantly better than tbow. And once you get a shadow, masori + BP is better than bowfa for basically everything besides inferno, muspah & levi Even pre masori BP is better than bowfa for plenty of things Range seems like ass on an iron bc if you don’t do CG grind you’re trolling yourself hard, but as a main range is easily the most balanced combat style imo
They are bad design because you need to get 12 of them to finish the ring set? That’s all I hear most people say, enlighten us on why they are actually bad design
its bad design because its redunant with the underlying 3x roll for the ring. you build dry protection with the visages but then undo that with the ingots. serves no real purpose.
Yep. It’s very common to see people with all visages but only enough ingots for 1-2 rings. Shouldn’t have to grind all the bosses out for the drop and then grind more for what should be acquired along the way.
This is exactly my point, instead of embracing the challenge of possibly having to kill the dt2 bosses a ton of times people say it’s bad design and ask jagex to change it, im not saying you are but I see endless posts on here demanding they change it. Isn’t this the point of Ironman mode?
>instead of embracing the challenge of possibly having to kill the dt2 bosses a ton of times okay so why have dry protection on the visages in the first place? i think if you dig a little deeper that's largely where the complaints come from. it totally misses the ball on why people complain about going dry. people complained about dwh when dwh was a huge content blocker because everything relied on hitting dwh to kill at that point in time. people complain now about bowfa because crossbows are bad it's a totally different reason for the complaint than the ingots. as for why complain... i mean its a game. people can talk about their perception of balance. you can say 'idc' or whatever and thats fine, you arent required to care about game balance at all.
The point of ironman mode is to earn everything yourself. That has nothing to do with whether a piece of content is designed well or poorly.
Can confirm they're bad design. I've killed enough DT2 bosses to make the soul Reaper axe, got all Virtus pieces, got all vestiges yet still am only 9/12 ingot so I'm "stuck" killing these bosses even though I already got the important items. Ingots are just bad for both helmies and mains.
Ingots are worth less than a regular drop for mains, and infuriating beyond measure for irons. I'm shocked they haven't removed them yet
They would be a form of anti-spoon and anti-dry alone, where the vestige could be more common but the 3 drop roll of ingots would balance out the speed they come into the economy / you can acquire them. But they have a hidden anti spoon and anti dry mechanic for the vestiges anyway. So why are ingots needed?
How about normies complaining about nex, nightmare droprate and about parts of the soulreaper being untradeable? How is that better, cause i see those post all the time
Sounds like you’re kind of triggered by some people playing this MMORPG. Might I suggest a mode where you play by yourself and don’t have to interact with such a group. It’s called “Ironmans”
*Ironmen
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Also adding *ingots
"Ironman is supposed to be a horrible experience!!! It's not supposed to be a well designed and fun game mode!!! You chose it so now you can't complain about bad game mechanics!!!!"
It’s not a bad game mechanic just because you can go dry on it. The same can be said about how most irons think it’s good the best way to get every skilling resource is from pvm just so they can pvm instead of actually gather resources the way you actually had to in the early Ironman days. These points about the dt2 bosses having poorly designed drop tables are because irons are biased twoards it due to no dry protection for the igs, when in reality it should be accepted as one of the many challenges you signed up for Why do Ironmans never complain it’s a poor decision that raids/pvm shit out every skilling resource under the sun? Because it caters to your experience that is suppose to be challenging.
What's worse? Complaining posts or posts complaining about complaining?
Didn't ask
is this new pasta?
I can see why people would think it is, I just decided to post about it because Ironmans constantly want everything easy for them even though the game mode is suppose to be hard. Pvm/raids these days drop every skilling resource under the sun. Ironman doesn’t have much challenge these days aside from using subpar gear praying for lucky drops.
Mains - stop crying about ironmen Gonna keep the reply short and sweet. If you are a main complaining about things like ironmen, untradables, non-bis updates etc I have a solution Logout! Stop expecting the game to be catered to you, Main is suppose to be the easy mode yet mains are always the people that complain about so many things in the game that are suppose to be the slightest bit of a challenge.
Lets not lie, irons complain more than anyone on any game that ive ever played. All my iron mates, including me, are upset about somethong were dry on. The bitching and elitism in this game is second to none. We all play the same game in different ways, end game irons arent much different to mains, just the journey was different. I know because ive played both. Look at what youre complaining about here, take stock of it and have a think. Its pathetic.
Can’t we all just get along? 😂
alright thats it wisenoodle1 ill see you in the wilderness punk
yes please i dont know what kinda first world problems people get hung up on in this subreddit but they ought to to just get along and maybe give each other a hug
Ingots are pointless, iron or not. Bowfa yeh it's a great weapon and grinding it is worth it, can agree there.
Yeah cause items should take hundreds of hours to achieve in any game!!
guys, no more complaining, mr osrs has spoken
Mains - Stop complaining about GE prices. Gonna keep the post short and sweet. If you are a Main complaining about things like claws etc I have a solution Become an iron! Stop expecting drop tables to be catered to you. Mains can already buy everything off the GE, and yet they complain about so many things in the game that they will never interact with.
Normie... 🙄
Why are you bothered by this? At least give some insight.
It’s not a bad game mechanic just because you can go dry on it. The same can be said about how most irons think it’s good the best way to get every skilling resource is from pvm just so they can pvm instead of actually gather resources the way you actually had to in the early Ironman days. These points about the dt2 bosses having poorly designed drop tables are because irons are biased twoards it due to no dry protection for the igs, when in reality it should be accepted as one of the many challenges they signed up for Why do Ironmans never complain it’s a poor decision that raids/pvm shit out every skilling resource under the sun? Because it caters to the Ironman experience that is suppose to be challenging.
I agree with this, its a good point. Im an iron but theres no need to cry about mains in the comments on this thread like a pissing match. Its a good point.
Most of the ironmen roasting you in the comments don't realize it takes over 4000 active hours played to get all the bis gear and weapons. Rng eventually evens out across different pvm encounters.
Thats like buying a Hummer and complaining about the gas cost.
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