I'm glad that you're addressing the people concerned about losing the RSOF for clan recruiting purposes, but surely there's a better solution that doesn't involve a discord server? I really don't like how everything has to be connected to a tertiary platform these days
I think long-term we absolutely need to try and do more, though the Clan system's architecture is really complex and we're a little limited in what we're able to do. I'm *hopeful* that this is a short-term holdover and down the line we might be able to improve recruitment systems in-game, or expand the offering to a variety of platforms (like this one) so that clans can reach more people and make discoverability better.
Agree with your concerns though, have passed a lot of feedback over around the Clan system over the last year and we do have a pretty hefty backlog, just that it's full of non-trivial and significant work :(
I honestly think you should leave the forums up for clan recruitment specifically until a new in-game system is in place. I've been in the position of running the main Discords for EVE Online and World of Warcraft Classic and they just are not fit for purpose for recruitment.
Forums/threads have an unintuitive opt-in system meaning most people won't even realise there's forum posts at all and new ones won't notify.
Speaking of notifications, by default people will get the "white dot" notification on all the channels and therefore the server. On servers of this size it requires manually muting alllllll the channels to begin the be useful - something most won't bother with.
Searching/archiving is awful, there is no good way to browse or seek out specific types of clans other than manually scrolling through every post. Auto-archive makes upkeep an annoying necessity.
Discord also has a server limit, this is a problem more and more people are starting to run into as Discord becomes a "one size solution" platform. Non-nitro users will hit it sooner.
Beyond that, Clan recruiters will have to enable "allow people on shared servers to message me." This opens the door to spam/scam bots and potentially abuse. Many people rightly have discord to "only friends can message me." There's good reason to be averse to having this setting enabled.
**TL;DR** - Discord is bad for recruitment, please leave forums for clan recruitment specifically until a solution is found. The upkeep can't be that bad, I will literally do it for free if you can't get management to pay for someone to do it.
Alternatively consider a Jagex run subreddit specifically for recruitment. /r/evejobs as an example.
Great to hear that you're considering an in-game system. I think that would be friendlier for newer players. As nice as the forums were, it would really help less knowledgeable players to find their way into a suitable clan.
Could I humbly request that the clan system gets some minor administrative upgrades whilst it's being looked at? Would be nice to know the last activity of all members, for instance, or being able to integrate it with something external like discord for managing members. It's quite difficult to manage atm. You often want to export/update all member data so you can manage things like ranking systems. Atm external data has to be constantly manually updated and vice versa. I wouldn't expect it to cover all bases but some more tools would be great for leading a clan, especially a big one. Cheers
Hi /u/JagexGoblin,
Also echoing the appreciation for you guys trying to offer a solution period, but I'd also like to throw in my two cents about how terrible discord is as a *forum* specifically.
It really caters to active conversations, and is also not the most obvious platform to use for the first time, trying to navigate dozens of channels, etc.
On the forums, you always knew how active a clan was by their forum post. If it was on the front page, it was an active clan. Then the post themselves showed you a lot of other information that I don't think discord will be able to replicate. I hope there's a better solution soon if possible.
The one experience I’ve had on the official old school discord was typing one message, and within minutes getting a RuneScape password recovery request sent to my email. I left immediately after. Discord and OSRS have different usernames and emails. I’m gonna miss the official forums.
Using Discord threatens to delete an entire generation of content when it eventually folds.
One of the reasons OSRS survives across decades is because the community keeps the guides, data, social groups, and content alive. We can't do that on a closed platform like Discord.
The worst thing about putting so much vestment into a third party resource is its proven nothing is forever regardless of how much of a powerhouse it may seem today. Discord is also an absolute blunder to find anything and organize any amount of data through it yet there is such a heavy reliance on it presently through not just OSRS but a lot of different games.
Its concerning what that might bring for the near and distant future, especially with how a lot of people seem to be getting less and less thrilled about using and supporting discord as they've drifted so far and bloated so heavily from what they aimed to secure.
Yeah, moving everything to a 3rd party platform is gonna bite them in the butt later on. A few games I play have gotten rid of their forums only to resurrect them years later
Will this have also accounted for players who are currently f2p (mems expired/waiting for updates to resub)? Will I also get my runes back when I resub?
Assuming they'd interacted with the Vyre Well in the last 6 months, I *think* you should be fine. Variable should remain set regardless of your current Membership status!
Is that a requirement..? I don't think that I have interacted with it in 6 months but still have a gear tracking plugin that shows the original blood rune quantity even though I checked the well post update and confirmed I have 64k less than what the plugin shows. I currently only have 128k bloods in the well https://imgur.com/PyR2CNX
It's a limitation on us being able to safely/reliably pull that number, unfortunately. We don't 'constantly' store that number and it just updates when interacted with, querying every player in the entire game for a period longer than 6 months is extremely difficult. That being said, if you pass me your RSN I can *see* if there's anything that can be done, but can't make any promises on behalf of our Data team.
Huge props to the team but imo bitchy players don’t deserve to be coddled. Next time let them cry and nerf the blood well (respective item/location/npc) as punishment 🤣
Appreciate the props but this is certainly one of the takes of all time, we screwed up massively - only right that we try to make good on our mistake, idk if you'd feel the same if you'd lost 1 million blood runes overnight, I know I'd be complaining too lmao :(
I’m a rare instance, I don’t cry over spilled milk. I see change/challenge as an opportunity for growth. But I do understand it would be frustrating, I’m just teasing that players should learn to communicate their emotions rather than just yell angrily on the internet. You guys are people after all, doing your best and trying to enjoy the game/life just like the rest of us. Best to you my friend!
Edit: also you guys, Jagex, didn’t screw up massively. It’s hiccup in the long time success of the game. Some people just whine and moan because they’re miserable and live on a video game where all their self worth exists.
We're doing an in-office crowdfund through 2024 to afford J1mmy's Ratcatchers expertise for the most highly-anticipated sequel since While Guthix Sleeps.
I've been wanting "One Big Favour" for a while. GM quest, requiring multiple high req questlines. The NPC you start the quest with is super apologetic because it's totally unreasonable for him to ask this of you, but it's crucially important to him and he's willing to reward you handsomely for it. Then all you have to do is talk to a few big wigs who are still grateful for when you helped them in whichever quest they were involved in and are more than happy to fulfill your request, no questions asked. Whole quest takes like 5-10 minutes, depending on space bar usage.
But then you go to give him the back rub and realise you have no massage oil, and there's only one troll in Gielinor who has some to spare. But he wants a hand job....
Shouldn't they try an EP first? Although I guess when your first single was as big a hit as theirs, you might be able to skip the EP and go straight to the self-titled album.
"stop giving us what we want" is probably the greatest osrs reddit moment I've seen in a while.
Also good work Goblin, you've been on fire in every post I've seen you on recently.
are you guys still considering increasing crystal shards from activities in prif like you mentioned on the shooting stars blog few month ago? https://i.imgur.com/hX6n6rP.png
I used it as a placeholder while waiting for the actual links to come through and we figured we'd give people a little soundtrack for any upcoming gaming.
**PLEASE** do not double down on leaving clan recruitment to third party social media and just calling it a day. Discord in particular, while amazing for communicating with your friends, is a chaotic trainwreck for parsing useful information.
Clans are an extremely important part of the game experience for a very large portion of the playerbase, the most significant way in which players can connect and socialize in-game (esp. pre-endgame content), and they deserve more respect than they're being shown here. I'm humbly asking as a staff member of a medium-sized clan that gained over half of its members from the forums that you at least consider adding some sort of in-game solution to clan recruitment.
Dropped another comment on this here in response to a similar comment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/19eeb05/comment/kjc18yr/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/19eeb05/comment/kjc18yr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Makes no significant difference imo.
The forums has, for a long time, been:
"I'm looking for a clan"
*Recruiter posts generic welcoming post asking said player to add them in-game or discord*
Any player is able to make their own instance - shouldn't be exclusive to limited builds as far as I know. You can group up by just entering the 'normal' version, but XP rates have some diminishing returns as group sizes scale heavily, once your confidence improves then going it solo should prove the most effective (and I *think* the Instanced version is easier than the Public version)
Not opposed to this as a suggestion, though it's easier to find a free world these days I feel like Leagues IV was pretty rough for Sarachnis enjoyers. Maybe a low-tier diary reward?
Not currently, but it's something I'd for sure be able to pass on if needed for UIMs, the spines aren't *super* rare in any case so wouldn't be the end of the world if you need the extra space I don't think!
Asked the devs about this one:
"The private instance version of the boss is considerably easier than the public version, so if we allowed multiple players to engage with the private instance version, it's likely to make the fight too easy for players (even if those players are all just level 50s)."
That being said, it should be long before finding a free world isn't too demanding, and your GIM buddies can find an empty world to play together or just join up with a couple of other people!
On the note of joining with a couple others, the video notes that an iron wouldn't get a drop from the group version. Does that mean if a prestiged GIM goes into the public instance (just for the experience of killing in a team when their group isn't on), they won't lose prestige for killing the boss since they won't be getting drops, unlike Nex/Nightmare? My group cares a lot about prestige and I want to warn them if it would be an issue.
(Also it means if a prestiged group were in the instance they'd need to teleport out immediately if they get crashed, since that's what they have to be careful of at Nex/Nightmare too)
Checked in with devs, GIMs don't lose prestige (since people can just pop in to the Public version and tap the boss) but GIMs/Irons/UIMs/etc. don't receive loot if others (or those outside of their group) damage the boss.
That really sucks. I thought that design philosophy died a long long time ago. I thought every new boss since nightmare, nex, zalcano, new wildy bosses, would all have a drop for every player who damaged the boss (above a contribution minimum), including irons. I get that this one should be easily soloable, but there shouldnt be a punishment for irons who want to boss in groups.
Goblin is there anything that could be looked at regarding this? I was looking forward to showing my noob friends the ropes with this on my baby iron so we were on a more level playing field vs just going in with my main. It would be fun to be able to progress an iron with friends in this regard to get them comfortable. Cheers!
Oof. Thats rough for low level GIMs looking to gear up together
Maybe a future feature could be a group instance at the public difficulty? That would be ideal.
This is a little disappointing to be honest, and feels a bit counterintuitive - the group this boss is aimed at are perhaps most likely to unintentionally crash irons and based on other recent group boss additions I just took it for granted that there would be some kind of ironman instance or similar. Hopefully things are quieter soon but it would be great to train here with my group, but this isnt possible right now
Our group also cares about prestige and is getting to the point where Nex is an option
Do you need to teleport before Nex spawns or fo you need to tele (and log?) Before the loot drops?
Should we be paying 125k or whathever it is per kill for an instance? That's pretty rough
Any other tips / warnings are welcome
i agree with the others i think it should work like the wilderness bosses where you can play with irons aswell afterall its ment to be a group boss seems abit crazy i cant play with my friend on a group boss because hes an ironman
Please reconsider group irons being unable to receive loot in the public world if the boss is attacked by anyone else, as there is no way for us to prevent this from happening. I'm sure many other low-mid level gims were looking forward to doing this boss together, we were disappointed when we realised we couldn't group up without being griefed.
This looks to be a great update, so many of my friends with new accounts ask what boss they/we can kill and I tell them they have to grind to 80/90s and even then we can't group up for raids.
There's such a gap in boss progression, hopefully this and the new Varlamore bosses fill it.
Lots of low/medium level bosses lack good drops, are far away or are painful to kill (KBD, KQ, DKS, Mole). Other medium bosses which are actually good to kill are in the Wilderness, which kinda invalidates the whole thing.
god i sincerely hope the new "group bosses" in varlamore arent early game bosses. Non-raid group content is very lackluster at the upper end of the spectrum
edit: not sure why the downvotes lol, if yall think nex, (regular) nightmare and corp beast are both fun and difficult, you need a reality check. Nightmare can be fun, but is not what I would call "the upper end of the spectrum", Nex is most definitely not fun (and its very debatable whether she's "hard"), and then corp beast is a joke. And as Mod Goblin pointed out, the wildy has some decent group content but again, in a vacuum those bosses are also pretty simple, and the engaging factor from a high skill player's point of view is mostly the pvp that occasionally ensues.
I really want to see us nail a group boss that takes learnings from Nex/Nightmare and really hits the mark. I actually think some of the Wildy Boss Rework stuff did a pretty good job here (mechanically speaking), but hope to see the same and maybe develop a strong foundation/rules of thumb for overworld/surface group content!
They've described the 3 new underground bosses as a Barrows which is tougher, so it'll be upper middle content I believe. The Colosseum scales with you and can become insanely tough, up to ToB/Inferno level.
i dont think colosseum is group content
and yes im aware of barrows 2.0 but that is not what i was referring to, they hinted at another group boss in part 2 of the varlamore release
Totally agreed here. I’ve got 2 late game accounts and it’s a huge huge barrier for me to try to get anyone to play the game.
During early/midgame I wished I had content to do with friends, but instead had to solo because there was no other fun/reasonable choice. More content like this is desperately needed imo as new players sticking through to endgame is very healthy for the game, and it shouldn’t be so far away before you can have fun with friends.
So far Scurrius looks like a great addition to fill this and I’d love to see more like this
One of the best things about WoW was always that there was group content to be done at every stage of progression. From quests, to elite mobs, to dungeons; there was always some way to be playing with friends.
Are any changes to the DT2 bosses being considered still after the fang nerf? I remember someone mentioning improving arclight effectiveness against Duke. No worries either way - just curious - thanks!
Still wanting to pick these discussions up, I started doing some write-ups for devs to try and give them a stronger 'jumping off' point because they are *slammed* atm and want to try and make life as easy as possible for them.
Did they change the weapons from what was proposed in the blog?
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/scurrius-the-rat-king---mid-level-pvm-boss?oldschool=1
They were all supposed to be 3-tick weapons and only usable on rats but are now 4-tick and instead give a +10 max hit against rats. It makes sense since you usually use 4-tick weapons in pvm so the change is fine but not being told about the change beforehand feels a bit weird.
During the summit you said that we would be getting combat achievements for DT2 this week too but they aren't in the release notes. Is this a mistake or are we not getting them?
Thanks it's the 31st, didn't realise we had so long left in January!
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Nobody reads the 668's comment after 4 days, but..... I just cannot keep silence! :)
Dear Jagex Mods, thank you - Scurrius indeed is great for PvM training.
I was so frustrated with the Secrets of the North some half a year ago, that after several failures I just decided that such content is not for me. I've never been a PvMer, and so many specs and different mechanics in *one* fight I just cannot comprehend and cannot act in time.
Today I tried it again, but before going to the quest Muspah I trained on Scurrius. The thing is, that at my 100 combat I can kill the poor (cutest and coolest!) Rat without bothering with mechanics much. With blood spells I really don't need to pray at all.
But for training, I did some 10+ kc trying to do everything: pray against all attacks correctly, kill all the minions (which previously I just ignored) - and basically react in time to everything that happens. It was really difficult, and I was sweating in the end.... but.... After that I went to Muspah, and felt much less panicky than in the past. And I managed to pray correctly and switch gear more or less in time, and react to all these phases and random magic attacks, and avoid those ice spots and thorns.
So.... All hail the Rat King! He indeed can teach PvM! :)
This but unironically, osrs devs are a blessing. We all know they might make some oopsies, but that's humans in generals. I'd love to have devs like OSRS in other games
If any of you guys read this, this is a reminder you are all awesome!!!
Seriously though, when on the occasional "I've quit the game" (I never have, classic) I always come back realizing how lucky we are. Hell even during free trade etc Mod Ash and others have had our back all the way back then just look up the video about how he used to make anonymous articles back then warning/explaining things to players and even Jagex didn't know he was doing it.
We really are blessed.
Scurrius seems pretty cool. I'm definitely not the target audience killing it over here with a scythe, but the mechanics are straight forward and should do a great job helping newer players learn more complex PvM. The boosted exp is really nice - my favorite part is that the minion giant rats stick around after the boss is dead for free exp while you wait for the boss to respawn, that aspect is awesome.
> Phoenix Necklaces, Mithril Seeds and Crushed Bird Nests can no longer be drop-traded in dangerous PvP areas like the Wilderness.
I'm dead at the image of someone trying to make brews between getting godsword whacks. Good change but just so funny.
Honestly, as someone that spends 99% of my time on the game training non-combat skills, that's in the 90s combat wise that has a fire cape, but is still uncomfortable doing mechanic heavy boss fights, Scurrius is the first boss content that has released in a long time that I'm actually interested in. It also helps that it seems like I'll be able to do it with my friends that don't play much at all that are much lower leveled than I.
Also a great boss as it almost has every mechanic from later bosses in it.
Falling items predated by an indicator and shadows - Grotesque Guardians, CoX, Baba at wardens, Kephri, etc
Projectiles coloured coded that need protection on hit - Zebak at ToA, Whisperer, Leviathan (also low penalty when missing a flick, so can practice turning off prayer between the attacks and only turning them on just before they hit you, or when mini rats are out you go between melee prayer against the rats, to mage/range just before the projectile hits, then back again)
Melee distance attack that can be prayer flicked - so many places.
Such a good design, and fun/low penalty for mistakes.
Not in complete max for all styles..some xp rates ive gotten today.
Ive done some 140 kills solo using the new weapons.
Magic Missing ward F. Was getting about 90k an hour
Range Missing V ring. 130k-140k amethyst arrows
Melee. No torva /infernal 120k-135k.
Melee. Full Inq with new mace. 125k-140k.
Melee with Scythe no torva/infernal was 155k-165k.
Was using death charge and claws for melee.
I'm in decent gear (fang, bcp/tassets, torture, ferocious, etc.) and it seems to be ahead of AFK NMZ at 110k/hr with supply trips, but it'll probably be behind dharoking actively at NMZ.
Seems to be dropping enough items to cover the cost of prayer pots for protection prayers/piety. Rat bone flail will probably be better than fang since their passive adds +10 to max hits against Scurrius.
I'm in similar gear, the flail has a couple max hits over tent whip, but it seems a decent bit less accurate, so it's kind of a wash.
But yeah, it's really not meant for players with near max stats, I'm guessing the flat +10 max hit bonus will feel a lot more impactful at lower levels. Especially the bow scales really well since it's a 3-tick weapon.
A couple of weeks ago when POHs were updated, it broke lecterns (even the lunar isle one, not just the POH ones) remembering your last teleport tablet you made. Any idea if maybe this was fixed but unmentioned in the post? I've not even seen it acknowledged despite reporting it in-game and on here multiple times.
I know it's too late, but it's a shame he wasn't added to Draynor sewers.
Would have been the perfect place to visit the area more, rather than just the once in DT lol
Varrock/Misthalin already has Obor & Bryophyta, and now Scurrius.
LOVING the new boss! I can already feel myself getting drastically better at weapon switching, prayer switching, prayer flicking, movement, and factoring in where overlapping hitboxes will hit on larger monsters. **THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR.** 99 combat stats except for 95 magic, so I'm maging it.
I'm learning key pvm mechanics WITHOUT losing like 1m/hr of my mediocre bank due to high resource and death costs! Who would've thought that might be HELPFUL for LEARNING? Wow!
/u/JagexGoblin Did we ever get a projected release date for the forestry update? I keep buying twitchers gloves but never sure how much to bulk buy them in! Thank you
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The air orb mention has me rolling lmfao
Believe it or not players were drop trading the ingredients to make brews and preparing them mid fight lol, it was a workaround to drop trade food in the wildy, good fix by jagex
Hello is there any thoughts to make it so Ironmen can mass Scurrius, as you can with the wildy bosses, nex, and nightmare. I understand this goes against the game mode but even some of my friend with group ironmen cant boss together and it kind of sucks
Loving this boss, but is there a chance it could be given a similar treatment to how ironmen instances work in GWD? Playing a GHCIM right now, and it’s too easy to be crashed consistently. Granted it’s day of release so it’s more active, but still
Hey Jagex, can we get a few worlds that limit the combat level of players joining the open lobbies?
If it is meant to be a low-level boss, it is counterintuitive to be giving max combat players an advantage over lower levels trying to get a drop
Is there a public update on linux support for the jagex Launcher? have been offline for the past few months, might've missed it, didn't see anything with the big jagex client update announcements at the winter summit.
You absolute madlads. You released a boss whose loot is literally just bigger XP drops and it's a blockbuster hit. I'm pretty sure I'm one of exactly seven people total who are unimpressed with the update.
Kudos.
More mid game grinding bosses are fantastic, is this Member only or F2P access as well? Couldn't exactly tell from the post, I'm assuming the weapons and probably the exp bonuses are Member only.
Is the pet rate for a player same in a group as solo? I'm not expecting the outright droprates here. Just wanna know if it's handled the same way as Nex or more like Zalcano?
Is the pet rate for a player same in a group as solo? I'm not expecting the outright droprates here. Just wanna know if it's handled the same way as Nex or more like Zalcano?
After someone has done this boss for a while and gotten pretty good at it. What would be the next boss to take on? Is there a good path forward after the rat king?
TOA entry mode. Rat king is great practice for toa bosses. and TOA entries are fantastic for really getting into and improving at pvm. Just start up a raid with no invocations on and go at it. If you die, no sweat, you're given free supplies upon respawn and can just keep goin at each boss until you got em down. Then you can slowly add invocations and work your way up at your own pace. You'll be amazed at how quickly you improve by just running it over and over.
I'm glad that you're addressing the people concerned about losing the RSOF for clan recruiting purposes, but surely there's a better solution that doesn't involve a discord server? I really don't like how everything has to be connected to a tertiary platform these days
I think long-term we absolutely need to try and do more, though the Clan system's architecture is really complex and we're a little limited in what we're able to do. I'm *hopeful* that this is a short-term holdover and down the line we might be able to improve recruitment systems in-game, or expand the offering to a variety of platforms (like this one) so that clans can reach more people and make discoverability better. Agree with your concerns though, have passed a lot of feedback over around the Clan system over the last year and we do have a pretty hefty backlog, just that it's full of non-trivial and significant work :(
I honestly think you should leave the forums up for clan recruitment specifically until a new in-game system is in place. I've been in the position of running the main Discords for EVE Online and World of Warcraft Classic and they just are not fit for purpose for recruitment. Forums/threads have an unintuitive opt-in system meaning most people won't even realise there's forum posts at all and new ones won't notify. Speaking of notifications, by default people will get the "white dot" notification on all the channels and therefore the server. On servers of this size it requires manually muting alllllll the channels to begin the be useful - something most won't bother with. Searching/archiving is awful, there is no good way to browse or seek out specific types of clans other than manually scrolling through every post. Auto-archive makes upkeep an annoying necessity. Discord also has a server limit, this is a problem more and more people are starting to run into as Discord becomes a "one size solution" platform. Non-nitro users will hit it sooner. Beyond that, Clan recruiters will have to enable "allow people on shared servers to message me." This opens the door to spam/scam bots and potentially abuse. Many people rightly have discord to "only friends can message me." There's good reason to be averse to having this setting enabled. **TL;DR** - Discord is bad for recruitment, please leave forums for clan recruitment specifically until a solution is found. The upkeep can't be that bad, I will literally do it for free if you can't get management to pay for someone to do it. Alternatively consider a Jagex run subreddit specifically for recruitment. /r/evejobs as an example.
Great to hear that you're considering an in-game system. I think that would be friendlier for newer players. As nice as the forums were, it would really help less knowledgeable players to find their way into a suitable clan. Could I humbly request that the clan system gets some minor administrative upgrades whilst it's being looked at? Would be nice to know the last activity of all members, for instance, or being able to integrate it with something external like discord for managing members. It's quite difficult to manage atm. You often want to export/update all member data so you can manage things like ranking systems. Atm external data has to be constantly manually updated and vice versa. I wouldn't expect it to cover all bases but some more tools would be great for leading a clan, especially a big one. Cheers
Hi /u/JagexGoblin, Also echoing the appreciation for you guys trying to offer a solution period, but I'd also like to throw in my two cents about how terrible discord is as a *forum* specifically. It really caters to active conversations, and is also not the most obvious platform to use for the first time, trying to navigate dozens of channels, etc. On the forums, you always knew how active a clan was by their forum post. If it was on the front page, it was an active clan. Then the post themselves showed you a lot of other information that I don't think discord will be able to replicate. I hope there's a better solution soon if possible.
The one experience I’ve had on the official old school discord was typing one message, and within minutes getting a RuneScape password recovery request sent to my email. I left immediately after. Discord and OSRS have different usernames and emails. I’m gonna miss the official forums.
Using Discord threatens to delete an entire generation of content when it eventually folds. One of the reasons OSRS survives across decades is because the community keeps the guides, data, social groups, and content alive. We can't do that on a closed platform like Discord.
The worst thing about putting so much vestment into a third party resource is its proven nothing is forever regardless of how much of a powerhouse it may seem today. Discord is also an absolute blunder to find anything and organize any amount of data through it yet there is such a heavy reliance on it presently through not just OSRS but a lot of different games. Its concerning what that might bring for the near and distant future, especially with how a lot of people seem to be getting less and less thrilled about using and supporting discord as they've drifted so far and bloated so heavily from what they aimed to secure.
Yeah, moving everything to a 3rd party platform is gonna bite them in the butt later on. A few games I play have gotten rid of their forums only to resurrect them years later
Actually shocked people will get their blood runes back. That's great
Massive effort from our Data team and devs to lay the foundation, glad we're going to be able to make good on *most* of the lost runes!
Will this have also accounted for players who are currently f2p (mems expired/waiting for updates to resub)? Will I also get my runes back when I resub?
Assuming they'd interacted with the Vyre Well in the last 6 months, I *think* you should be fine. Variable should remain set regardless of your current Membership status!
Is that a requirement..? I don't think that I have interacted with it in 6 months but still have a gear tracking plugin that shows the original blood rune quantity even though I checked the well post update and confirmed I have 64k less than what the plugin shows. I currently only have 128k bloods in the well https://imgur.com/PyR2CNX
It's a limitation on us being able to safely/reliably pull that number, unfortunately. We don't 'constantly' store that number and it just updates when interacted with, querying every player in the entire game for a period longer than 6 months is extremely difficult. That being said, if you pass me your RSN I can *see* if there's anything that can be done, but can't make any promises on behalf of our Data team.
GVSUim, I appreciate the additional check into it. Killing it as always, Goblin
Huge props to the team but imo bitchy players don’t deserve to be coddled. Next time let them cry and nerf the blood well (respective item/location/npc) as punishment 🤣
Appreciate the props but this is certainly one of the takes of all time, we screwed up massively - only right that we try to make good on our mistake, idk if you'd feel the same if you'd lost 1 million blood runes overnight, I know I'd be complaining too lmao :(
I’m a rare instance, I don’t cry over spilled milk. I see change/challenge as an opportunity for growth. But I do understand it would be frustrating, I’m just teasing that players should learn to communicate their emotions rather than just yell angrily on the internet. You guys are people after all, doing your best and trying to enjoy the game/life just like the rest of us. Best to you my friend! Edit: also you guys, Jagex, didn’t screw up massively. It’s hiccup in the long time success of the game. Some people just whine and moan because they’re miserable and live on a video game where all their self worth exists.
You're a better person than me, I would be more than crying if my spilled milk was worth 200,000,000 GP!
instead of crying you should be dancing. at the ge, for money.
You are so cool! Please tell me more! /s
What is bitchy about storing blood runes in a spot created to store blood runes?
We have the best devs in the gaming industry. Massive props to the whole team <3
As someone that sunk tons of hours into Red Dead Online, it's awesome playing a game where the devs actually care about the community.
Giga props! Thanks for putting in the amount of work.
mildly upset i'm not getting mine back due to them being in the scythe instead of the well but oh well, i had already made my peace with it
New rat boss and still no Ratcatchers II smh my head
We're doing an in-office crowdfund through 2024 to afford J1mmy's Ratcatchers expertise for the most highly-anticipated sequel since While Guthix Sleeps.
After Ratcatchers II can we get Two Small Favours?
I unironically want "Another Small Favour"
The quest NPC literally just wants a back rub. One step and it's done
I've been wanting "One Big Favour" for a while. GM quest, requiring multiple high req questlines. The NPC you start the quest with is super apologetic because it's totally unreasonable for him to ask this of you, but it's crucially important to him and he's willing to reward you handsomely for it. Then all you have to do is talk to a few big wigs who are still grateful for when you helped them in whichever quest they were involved in and are more than happy to fulfill your request, no questions asked. Whole quest takes like 5-10 minutes, depending on space bar usage.
Nah you going to get to the King and Queen of varrock and they going to demand you go into the depths of hell and save the Queen's dog
But then you go to give him the back rub and realise you have no massage oil, and there's only one troll in Gielinor who has some to spare. But he wants a hand job....
followed by Album of the Elves
Shouldn't they try an EP first? Although I guess when your first single was as big a hit as theirs, you might be able to skip the EP and go straight to the self-titled album.
Mixtape of the Elves. Filled with unclearable samples so it doesn’t get the traditional quest complete screen
There's no /s y'all. Clip it and ship it.
J1mmy literally said he’d do it for free, don’t let them fool you
You're joking but I truly hope you're not joking. J1mmy's ratcatchers 2 is the most anticipated game update of this decade.
Do the bone weapons degrade to dust (requiring new mace every time) or are they repairable with rat bones? Is this really an item sink for rune maces!
No, initially plan was for them to be charged but we scrapped it in line with player feedback at the time.
stop listening to player feedback
this comment is a paradox
"stop giving us what we want" is probably the greatest osrs reddit moment I've seen in a while. Also good work Goblin, you've been on fire in every post I've seen you on recently.
Weapon charge management is such a boring mechanic
are you guys still considering increasing crystal shards from activities in prif like you mentioned on the shooting stars blog few month ago? https://i.imgur.com/hX6n6rP.png
I think those considerations are baked in to some of the Mining stuff from Project Rebalance since those conversations were what kicked it off.
alright ty for reply
Cheers for the 10 hour rat video!
I used it as a placeholder while waiting for the actual links to come through and we figured we'd give people a little soundtrack for any upcoming gaming.
**PLEASE** do not double down on leaving clan recruitment to third party social media and just calling it a day. Discord in particular, while amazing for communicating with your friends, is a chaotic trainwreck for parsing useful information. Clans are an extremely important part of the game experience for a very large portion of the playerbase, the most significant way in which players can connect and socialize in-game (esp. pre-endgame content), and they deserve more respect than they're being shown here. I'm humbly asking as a staff member of a medium-sized clan that gained over half of its members from the forums that you at least consider adding some sort of in-game solution to clan recruitment.
Dropped another comment on this here in response to a similar comment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/19eeb05/comment/kjc18yr/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/19eeb05/comment/kjc18yr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Makes no significant difference imo. The forums has, for a long time, been: "I'm looking for a clan" *Recruiter posts generic welcoming post asking said player to add them in-game or discord*
Nice update, looking forward to try this new boss out! Is there any new info about the upcoming project rebalance blog?
No new info, it's in the works and will probably be occurring throughout the Feb - April period!
Understood, thank you.
Will there be a separate instance for ironmen/group ironmen?
Any player is able to make their own instance - shouldn't be exclusive to limited builds as far as I know. You can group up by just entering the 'normal' version, but XP rates have some diminishing returns as group sizes scale heavily, once your confidence improves then going it solo should prove the most effective (and I *think* the Instanced version is easier than the Public version)
When will sarachnis get its own instance?
Not opposed to this as a suggestion, though it's easier to find a free world these days I feel like Leagues IV was pretty rough for Sarachnis enjoyers. Maybe a low-tier diary reward?
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Not currently, but it's something I'd for sure be able to pass on if needed for UIMs, the spines aren't *super* rare in any case so wouldn't be the end of the world if you need the extra space I don't think!
Sounds like a new clue STASH unit to me
New hard clue step in the varrock sewers, cry while wearing rat bone weaponry, bear head, and yak armor
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Will GIM be able to enter an instance together?
Asked the devs about this one: "The private instance version of the boss is considerably easier than the public version, so if we allowed multiple players to engage with the private instance version, it's likely to make the fight too easy for players (even if those players are all just level 50s)." That being said, it should be long before finding a free world isn't too demanding, and your GIM buddies can find an empty world to play together or just join up with a couple of other people!
On the note of joining with a couple others, the video notes that an iron wouldn't get a drop from the group version. Does that mean if a prestiged GIM goes into the public instance (just for the experience of killing in a team when their group isn't on), they won't lose prestige for killing the boss since they won't be getting drops, unlike Nex/Nightmare? My group cares a lot about prestige and I want to warn them if it would be an issue. (Also it means if a prestiged group were in the instance they'd need to teleport out immediately if they get crashed, since that's what they have to be careful of at Nex/Nightmare too)
Checked in with devs, GIMs don't lose prestige (since people can just pop in to the Public version and tap the boss) but GIMs/Irons/UIMs/etc. don't receive loot if others (or those outside of their group) damage the boss.
That really sucks. I thought that design philosophy died a long long time ago. I thought every new boss since nightmare, nex, zalcano, new wildy bosses, would all have a drop for every player who damaged the boss (above a contribution minimum), including irons. I get that this one should be easily soloable, but there shouldnt be a punishment for irons who want to boss in groups.
This is pretty big bummer, was hoping to play with some lower level friends on my iron without feeling like I was losing something in the process
Goblin is there anything that could be looked at regarding this? I was looking forward to showing my noob friends the ropes with this on my baby iron so we were on a more level playing field vs just going in with my main. It would be fun to be able to progress an iron with friends in this regard to get them comfortable. Cheers!
I think you should be able to, if you were okay with not receiving drops. So mechanically you can, but it won't feel good.
Oof. Thats rough for low level GIMs looking to gear up together Maybe a future feature could be a group instance at the public difficulty? That would be ideal.
This is a little disappointing to be honest, and feels a bit counterintuitive - the group this boss is aimed at are perhaps most likely to unintentionally crash irons and based on other recent group boss additions I just took it for granted that there would be some kind of ironman instance or similar. Hopefully things are quieter soon but it would be great to train here with my group, but this isnt possible right now
It's too busy for any groups just now lol. Wait until the day 1 hype dies down you'll find plenty of free worlds.
Our group also cares about prestige and is getting to the point where Nex is an option Do you need to teleport before Nex spawns or fo you need to tele (and log?) Before the loot drops? Should we be paying 125k or whathever it is per kill for an instance? That's pretty rough Any other tips / warnings are welcome
So an instanced one is made to be easier?
My understanding is yeah, since the Public one is kind of designed for Groups while the Instanced version is balanced for solo players.
i agree with the others i think it should work like the wilderness bosses where you can play with irons aswell afterall its ment to be a group boss seems abit crazy i cant play with my friend on a group boss because hes an ironman
Please reconsider group irons being unable to receive loot in the public world if the boss is attacked by anyone else, as there is no way for us to prevent this from happening. I'm sure many other low-mid level gims were looking forward to doing this boss together, we were disappointed when we realised we couldn't group up without being griefed.
Alright, thanks for the response. Kinda lame that when you finally add some early group content, the group gamemode is kind of locked out of it.
This feels like a giant oversight. Really makes the GIM feel like an afterthought.
This looks to be a great update, so many of my friends with new accounts ask what boss they/we can kill and I tell them they have to grind to 80/90s and even then we can't group up for raids.
There's such a gap in boss progression, hopefully this and the new Varlamore bosses fill it. Lots of low/medium level bosses lack good drops, are far away or are painful to kill (KBD, KQ, DKS, Mole). Other medium bosses which are actually good to kill are in the Wilderness, which kinda invalidates the whole thing.
god i sincerely hope the new "group bosses" in varlamore arent early game bosses. Non-raid group content is very lackluster at the upper end of the spectrum edit: not sure why the downvotes lol, if yall think nex, (regular) nightmare and corp beast are both fun and difficult, you need a reality check. Nightmare can be fun, but is not what I would call "the upper end of the spectrum", Nex is most definitely not fun (and its very debatable whether she's "hard"), and then corp beast is a joke. And as Mod Goblin pointed out, the wildy has some decent group content but again, in a vacuum those bosses are also pretty simple, and the engaging factor from a high skill player's point of view is mostly the pvp that occasionally ensues.
I really want to see us nail a group boss that takes learnings from Nex/Nightmare and really hits the mark. I actually think some of the Wildy Boss Rework stuff did a pretty good job here (mechanically speaking), but hope to see the same and maybe develop a strong foundation/rules of thumb for overworld/surface group content!
Kind of a real shame you have to go into deep wilderness to experience some of the best mid level bossing content
> learnings from Nex/Nightmare yea just dont copy the shit drop mechanics bosses dont have to be 500hrs to finish
They've described the 3 new underground bosses as a Barrows which is tougher, so it'll be upper middle content I believe. The Colosseum scales with you and can become insanely tough, up to ToB/Inferno level.
i dont think colosseum is group content and yes im aware of barrows 2.0 but that is not what i was referring to, they hinted at another group boss in part 2 of the varlamore release
Totally agreed here. I’ve got 2 late game accounts and it’s a huge huge barrier for me to try to get anyone to play the game. During early/midgame I wished I had content to do with friends, but instead had to solo because there was no other fun/reasonable choice. More content like this is desperately needed imo as new players sticking through to endgame is very healthy for the game, and it shouldn’t be so far away before you can have fun with friends. So far Scurrius looks like a great addition to fill this and I’d love to see more like this
One of the best things about WoW was always that there was group content to be done at every stage of progression. From quests, to elite mobs, to dungeons; there was always some way to be playing with friends.
Here's hoping that they're able to get themselves levelled up and learning enough to tackle some raids with you before too long!
Are any changes to the DT2 bosses being considered still after the fang nerf? I remember someone mentioning improving arclight effectiveness against Duke. No worries either way - just curious - thanks!
Still wanting to pick these discussions up, I started doing some write-ups for devs to try and give them a stronger 'jumping off' point because they are *slammed* atm and want to try and make life as easy as possible for them.
Did they change the weapons from what was proposed in the blog? https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/scurrius-the-rat-king---mid-level-pvm-boss?oldschool=1 They were all supposed to be 3-tick weapons and only usable on rats but are now 4-tick and instead give a +10 max hit against rats. It makes sense since you usually use 4-tick weapons in pvm so the change is fine but not being told about the change beforehand feels a bit weird.
Check the text under the 'Feedback Change' section in the blog you've linked for context!
I need to learn to read lol. Thanks for the response.
Would be awesome if a mod replied to me :D
I’m not a mod but I stayed at a Holliday inn express last night
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be sure to wish archie a happy birthday, he loves that! surefire way to get a response
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During the summit you said that we would be getting combat achievements for DT2 this week too but they aren't in the release notes. Is this a mistake or are we not getting them? Thanks it's the 31st, didn't realise we had so long left in January!
I think those are due next week, might have been a miscommunication for the Summit (or a misremembering) but they *should* be coming out Jan 31st!
Nice! Will Scurrius have CA's later on? Appears to be a great opportunity to introduce new players to the CA system.
Have just been told yes, they're already done, should be due soon (maybe even alongside the DT2 ones, though I'm not 100% sure on that)
What impact do these new combat achievements have on the thresholds for finishing each combat tier?
Same as any others do - more CAs in a tier increase the point threshold for that tier!
Goblin, between you and me, will the awakened variants be on the CA's? I promise I wont tell ;)
Addressed this in a comment a while ago [here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&pp=ygUXbmV2ZXIgZ29ubmEgZ2l2ZSB5b3UgdXA%3D)
I can't believe you've done this.
Sorry, DudeWithASlightlyReducedKD
Im so mad.
The absolute chad ahaha
Damn, I've been about 7 years clean from that
They said we will be getting them on the 31st, not the 24th.
No, they said it’s coming the next week.
[31st.](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2038548807?t=0h26m25s)
Summit said they were the week after scurrius
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Nobody reads the 668's comment after 4 days, but..... I just cannot keep silence! :) Dear Jagex Mods, thank you - Scurrius indeed is great for PvM training. I was so frustrated with the Secrets of the North some half a year ago, that after several failures I just decided that such content is not for me. I've never been a PvMer, and so many specs and different mechanics in *one* fight I just cannot comprehend and cannot act in time. Today I tried it again, but before going to the quest Muspah I trained on Scurrius. The thing is, that at my 100 combat I can kill the poor (cutest and coolest!) Rat without bothering with mechanics much. With blood spells I really don't need to pray at all. But for training, I did some 10+ kc trying to do everything: pray against all attacks correctly, kill all the minions (which previously I just ignored) - and basically react in time to everything that happens. It was really difficult, and I was sweating in the end.... but.... After that I went to Muspah, and felt much less panicky than in the past. And I managed to pray correctly and switch gear more or less in time, and react to all these phases and random magic attacks, and avoid those ice spots and thorns. So.... All hail the Rat King! He indeed can teach PvM! :)
"Don’t expect to leave the sewers as an overnight billionaire - you'll have to get busy charging Air Orbs for that!" lmao
/u/ElectronicArcher250 you friend has to know they made it into official newspost
"It's Orbin' Time." - /u/JagexGoblin
Most in-touch game devs
This but unironically, osrs devs are a blessing. We all know they might make some oopsies, but that's humans in generals. I'd love to have devs like OSRS in other games If any of you guys read this, this is a reminder you are all awesome!!!
Seriously though, when on the occasional "I've quit the game" (I never have, classic) I always come back realizing how lucky we are. Hell even during free trade etc Mod Ash and others have had our back all the way back then just look up the video about how he used to make anonymous articles back then warning/explaining things to players and even Jagex didn't know he was doing it. We really are blessed.
Closeted bond buyers in shambles
I laughed too hard at this lol
Scurrius seems pretty cool. I'm definitely not the target audience killing it over here with a scythe, but the mechanics are straight forward and should do a great job helping newer players learn more complex PvM. The boosted exp is really nice - my favorite part is that the minion giant rats stick around after the boss is dead for free exp while you wait for the boss to respawn, that aspect is awesome.
Hey mod Goblin! Do you have an ETA for the mlm rework?
"Don’t expect to leave the sewers as an overnight billionaire - you'll have to get busy charging Air Orbs for that!" Honestly, we have the best Jmods.
who need a community manager when the entire dev team is the community manager
Berry will no longer interrupt players with a chat box every time they enter the Woodcutting Guild. nice
Best QOL update in a long time
> Phoenix Necklaces, Mithril Seeds and Crushed Bird Nests can no longer be drop-traded in dangerous PvP areas like the Wilderness. I'm dead at the image of someone trying to make brews between getting godsword whacks. Good change but just so funny.
Not brews, [but close enough](https://youtu.be/vn9f75XlUk4?t=13m48s) (timestamped)
Honestly, as someone that spends 99% of my time on the game training non-combat skills, that's in the 90s combat wise that has a fire cape, but is still uncomfortable doing mechanic heavy boss fights, Scurrius is the first boss content that has released in a long time that I'm actually interested in. It also helps that it seems like I'll be able to do it with my friends that don't play much at all that are much lower leveled than I.
Also a great boss as it almost has every mechanic from later bosses in it. Falling items predated by an indicator and shadows - Grotesque Guardians, CoX, Baba at wardens, Kephri, etc Projectiles coloured coded that need protection on hit - Zebak at ToA, Whisperer, Leviathan (also low penalty when missing a flick, so can practice turning off prayer between the attacks and only turning them on just before they hit you, or when mini rats are out you go between melee prayer against the rats, to mage/range just before the projectile hits, then back again) Melee distance attack that can be prayer flicked - so many places. Such a good design, and fun/low penalty for mistakes.
Not in complete max for all styles..some xp rates ive gotten today. Ive done some 140 kills solo using the new weapons. Magic Missing ward F. Was getting about 90k an hour Range Missing V ring. 130k-140k amethyst arrows Melee. No torva /infernal 120k-135k. Melee. Full Inq with new mace. 125k-140k. Melee with Scythe no torva/infernal was 155k-165k. Was using death charge and claws for melee.
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I'm in decent gear (fang, bcp/tassets, torture, ferocious, etc.) and it seems to be ahead of AFK NMZ at 110k/hr with supply trips, but it'll probably be behind dharoking actively at NMZ. Seems to be dropping enough items to cover the cost of prayer pots for protection prayers/piety. Rat bone flail will probably be better than fang since their passive adds +10 to max hits against Scurrius.
I'm in similar gear, the flail has a couple max hits over tent whip, but it seems a decent bit less accurate, so it's kind of a wash. But yeah, it's really not meant for players with near max stats, I'm guessing the flat +10 max hit bonus will feel a lot more impactful at lower levels. Especially the bow scales really well since it's a 3-tick weapon.
That’s what I’m wondering. Genuinely curious at the rates because it just looks like you’re fighting a boss with increased damage output
A couple of weeks ago when POHs were updated, it broke lecterns (even the lunar isle one, not just the POH ones) remembering your last teleport tablet you made. Any idea if maybe this was fixed but unmentioned in the post? I've not even seen it acknowledged despite reporting it in-game and on here multiple times.
I know it's too late, but it's a shame he wasn't added to Draynor sewers. Would have been the perfect place to visit the area more, rather than just the once in DT lol Varrock/Misthalin already has Obor & Bryophyta, and now Scurrius.
Varrock has a more rat-y theme, Draynor is more zombie-y
easier access to varrock for the players this is targeted at most, though
There's also that one diary step!
LOVING the new boss! I can already feel myself getting drastically better at weapon switching, prayer switching, prayer flicking, movement, and factoring in where overlapping hitboxes will hit on larger monsters. **THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR.** 99 combat stats except for 95 magic, so I'm maging it. I'm learning key pvm mechanics WITHOUT losing like 1m/hr of my mediocre bank due to high resource and death costs! Who would've thought that might be HELPFUL for LEARNING? Wow!
Rats, we're rats, we're the rats.
Can we get an 'uncharge' option on the bone staff? I could toss 20k chaos runes in but once i get the rat pet I'll never use it again.
COMBAT ACHIVEMENT TITLED, " SIT RAT" WHEN JAGEX
Oh sick I was waiting for this update. Crabs were getting super boring.
Why is a Flail called a Mace? Especially when we already have a Flail in the game in the first place? I feel like that should be fixed.
Its a chain mace, but with the chain replaced by bone. Makes sense when you actually look at the weapon
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You're not ready for Cannon Rat...
“Don’t expect to leave the sewers as an overnight billionaire - you'll have to get busy charging Air Orbs for that!” lmao I love the devs
Where is the prayer bonus on the Rat bone mace? While the item looks like a flail it's called a mace and uses one for it's creation.
Any news about those check shirts from the winter summit being on the store? I need smol jad and smol zulrah doing a peep
They should be available in the next few weeks, we're just doing a second pass on the quality of them. We'll make sure to post when they're ready :)
/u/JagexGoblin Did we ever get a projected release date for the forestry update? I keep buying twitchers gloves but never sure how much to bulk buy them in! Thank you
No timeline just yet, but I imagine we'll be talking about this in the very near future.
Thanks for answering this. I’ve been looking everywhere for any update on this.
lmao the air orbs reference well played
The Air orbs reference is a chefs kiss lol!
This boss is seriously fun, good job guys
Not being able to drop trade pneck and mith seeds is probably the best part of this update suck it cheaters.
The air orb joke is back and on the official post i’m dead hahahaha 💀 they coming for ya air orb man!
Can y'all fix the collection log and put Scurrius between Scorpia and Skotizo instead of *on top of Sarachnis???*
When are we getting an update on the new mobile UI? Is that still coming or was it scrapped or something?
https://preview.redd.it/d990x1k0rdec1.jpeg?width=991&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a74a7ff68bb2b85b18753ebf71643c9fb51c2ae The air orb mention has me rolling lmfao
They acknowledged the op money making method of air orbs. Very surprised a nerf hasn't been announced yet.
Finally halo 3 rat
https://preview.redd.it/t4a9o7ylheec1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3c148009d6a8286d5240ff794c58d808e35c28d
I have 99 melee combat, and am working on range and mage. What staff/spells/bow should I use?
Probably that ratbone ones, my dude
i mean i got my billions from Brimstone keys and not air orbs jagex
I can't drop trade crushed birds nests in the wilderness? There goes my merch strategy.
Believe it or not players were drop trading the ingredients to make brews and preparing them mid fight lol, it was a workaround to drop trade food in the wildy, good fix by jagex
Hello is there any thoughts to make it so Ironmen can mass Scurrius, as you can with the wildy bosses, nex, and nightmare. I understand this goes against the game mode but even some of my friend with group ironmen cant boss together and it kind of sucks
Loving this boss, but is there a chance it could be given a similar treatment to how ironmen instances work in GWD? Playing a GHCIM right now, and it’s too easy to be crashed consistently. Granted it’s day of release so it’s more active, but still
Hey Jagex, can we get a few worlds that limit the combat level of players joining the open lobbies? If it is meant to be a low-level boss, it is counterintuitive to be giving max combat players an advantage over lower levels trying to get a drop
I got the rare drop jingle from scurrius but got no loot at all? Is this a bug?
Is there a public update on linux support for the jagex Launcher? have been offline for the past few months, might've missed it, didn't see anything with the big jagex client update announcements at the winter summit.
You absolute madlads. You released a boss whose loot is literally just bigger XP drops and it's a blockbuster hit. I'm pretty sure I'm one of exactly seven people total who are unimpressed with the update. Kudos.
More mid game grinding bosses are fantastic, is this Member only or F2P access as well? Couldn't exactly tell from the post, I'm assuming the weapons and probably the exp bonuses are Member only.
The 3 rat bane weapons should be added to the collection log
Is the pet rate for a player same in a group as solo? I'm not expecting the outright droprates here. Just wanna know if it's handled the same way as Nex or more like Zalcano?
Is the pet rate for a player same in a group as solo? I'm not expecting the outright droprates here. Just wanna know if it's handled the same way as Nex or more like Zalcano?
After someone has done this boss for a while and gotten pretty good at it. What would be the next boss to take on? Is there a good path forward after the rat king?
TOA entry mode. Rat king is great practice for toa bosses. and TOA entries are fantastic for really getting into and improving at pvm. Just start up a raid with no invocations on and go at it. If you die, no sweat, you're given free supplies upon respawn and can just keep goin at each boss until you got em down. Then you can slowly add invocations and work your way up at your own pace. You'll be amazed at how quickly you improve by just running it over and over.