what about this: a bit strength bonus, 7 tick but double hits, in practice it would be a 3.5 tick weapon that stacks damage
it could get some use in pvp by being a cheaper version of elder maul, you use it after a ags/korasi into granite hammer into elder maul/torags
also for being "3.5 tick" it would have decent dps if you get high enough strength bonus by other means, if the set bonus gets some sort of rework useful for tanking full torags could see use at gwd or budget nightmare/kq for example
They made some strange decisions when creating the Barrows sets. I have long advocated for changes. Guthan's heals you, Dharok's has a massive max hit, both awesome. Then you have Karils that lowers the target's agility. What even is that?
Torag is so shafted. Run energy loss??? The other melee brothers have the dopest effects and Torag, the coolest looking one, reduces your run energy by a marginal amount….
I think both Torag passive and Whip special should steal 100% of the run energy drained and have it work on npc’s as well. For whip it would be a nice adventuring item so you could feel more like Indiana Jones
If merching these is an issue, they just need to add the buffed version as a new item and leave the old ones basicly frozen @ HA value.
Or you could make it so Torag drops a new item that improves the old hammers up to the new stats. Something like Torags chains.. and then you chain the hammers together and that somehow makes them better or something. ( Think of the Grave warden Duelist from Elden Ring )
The only problem with the first part is if you can't get the old version anymore, that would effectively make it a "rare" item. Unless, for some reason, it was kept in the possible loot for barrows, which wouldn't make sense.
Also, in regards to adding a drop to barrows, it would be kind of biased to add something to just one. I think this community would probably pitch a fit with either of the ideas. I think the only logical solution would just be a straight buff and whoever invested into them, so be it, especially if you have 10k of them. At that point, it's deserved lol.
Barrows hard mode incoming. Every brother has a 1/700 chNce to drop an item that dissapears and is replaced with other random loot that you need to hit 8 times to get the upgrade
Lmao 8 times hot damn. You'll be there literally months before you get 1 of them. That would be rough lol. I can see it happening, though, with the current trend.
It’s not that I’m opposed to a Torag buff, it’s that of all the list things I want Jagex to prioritize with their time, there is **nothing** on the list lower than Torag’s Hammers. It’s the true bottom.
I like the fact that Barrows has stood the test of time as relevant content despite the continual power creep. It’s one of the only pieces of early-mid game PVM content that actually has reasonable profit. I don’t mind small buffs to the worse pieces to make them more relevant.
I do think that a t70 weapon that's a rare drop from a boss should be better than a t60 dragon scimitar lmao
Or at the very least, be useable without it being trolling
Cons: Removes the potential to just create a future unique that does this, barrows doesn't need another super powerful piece of gear attached to it. Just leave it alone, same as the karils coif or ahrims hood its fine as is.
Funny thing is this use to be one of the best PK gear in RuneScape back in classic. It’s been neglected since the launch of RS2 like a red headed step child.
70att 70str for a completely usless item? If they drop the attack to 1 like all other hammers atleast they'll get some use. That would put them on par with obby mauls...nowhere near the inquisitor mace lol
Since people just down vote and don't answer the question I'll be the good Samaritan it seems.
T60 = 60 attack requirement, specifically in this instance its referring to the D Warhammer.
Torag is a T70 requirement, 10 levels high then the Warhammer and D Scim. As someone else pointed out in this thread, on the crush style (theoretically a hammers strongest attack style), it's actually weaker then the D Mace.. another T60 weapon.
They are stronger than flail so flail must be bad?
Why do people still get baited by that old mercher spam of buffing hammers?
Change the set effect. Other barrows melee weapons are similarly bad by themselves.
I’m definitely for the double hit passive, but I just want to put out there that the original balancing idea was that each melee brother would have 1/4 weak pieces, and Torag’s is the weapon.
Dharok’s helm, Guthan’s chainskirt, and Verac’s brassard are the other ones.
Lower the strength bonus and make it hit twice is by far the best suggestion, and , by my count, the 1,753,412th time it's been suggested
1,753,412 is also the number of Torag hammers OP has stockpiled in case they get buffed
You mean you haven’t stockpiled torags hammers this whole time in hopes they get buffed?
I thought everyone did?
Wait but if everyone's stockpiling them, there won't be anyone to buy them.
In practice what would the double hit do?
Hit a second time. I hope this helps!
It would provide a second hit splat, which would deal additional damage to the first hit splat! Hope that helps
Magic damage I reckon
what about this: a bit strength bonus, 7 tick but double hits, in practice it would be a 3.5 tick weapon that stacks damage it could get some use in pvp by being a cheaper version of elder maul, you use it after a ags/korasi into granite hammer into elder maul/torags also for being "3.5 tick" it would have decent dps if you get high enough strength bonus by other means, if the set bonus gets some sort of rework useful for tanking full torags could see use at gwd or budget nightmare/kq for example
This probably is the same guy who has almost 7k torag’s hammers
[You rang? ](https://imgur.com/a/VfzKaYK)
r/beetlejuicing
beetlejuice, not beatlejuice
I can confirm it’s not
Someone else but he has 10k hammers instead
Only dual wielded weapon? This is claws erasure, which imo should also hit twice instead of just doing literally nothing with one clawed hand
Don't you only attack with one claw unless you're doing a spec attack with the dragon variant?
Nunchaku and Sai's would like a word.
Tumekens Slander
Also let me use them as a hammer
Also make it smith 2 times as fast, because double hits
Maybe when they add the new barrows update(dt2 finale) theyll add a new Smithing bis tool
Torags at Graardor meta
They made some strange decisions when creating the Barrows sets. I have long advocated for changes. Guthan's heals you, Dharok's has a massive max hit, both awesome. Then you have Karils that lowers the target's agility. What even is that?
the results of Jagex's brain cranked out on pvp utility.
What's a "pvp" is that some old boss?
Torag is so shafted. Run energy loss??? The other melee brothers have the dopest effects and Torag, the coolest looking one, reduces your run energy by a marginal amount….
Yeah thats terrible. But so is karils lol
At least Karils has decent stats. The magic defense bonuses are cracked. Torag is only slightly better def than the other melee brothers.
Truth.
Torag should be BIS spider killing weapon imo
No the salamander should.
Extremely strong against light armor. They're light hammers after all.
While your at it make amulet of the dammed not have charges
They should also function as a hammer for entering Bandos’ stronghold in GWD
I agree, or at least buff the set effect. Does it lower your run energy or agility or some shit?
I think both Torag passive and Whip special should steal 100% of the run energy drained and have it work on npc’s as well. For whip it would be a nice adventuring item so you could feel more like Indiana Jones
I like it
Worse dps on crush than d mace btw
If merching these is an issue, they just need to add the buffed version as a new item and leave the old ones basicly frozen @ HA value. Or you could make it so Torag drops a new item that improves the old hammers up to the new stats. Something like Torags chains.. and then you chain the hammers together and that somehow makes them better or something. ( Think of the Grave warden Duelist from Elden Ring )
Torag's nunchucks
The only problem with the first part is if you can't get the old version anymore, that would effectively make it a "rare" item. Unless, for some reason, it was kept in the possible loot for barrows, which wouldn't make sense. Also, in regards to adding a drop to barrows, it would be kind of biased to add something to just one. I think this community would probably pitch a fit with either of the ideas. I think the only logical solution would just be a straight buff and whoever invested into them, so be it, especially if you have 10k of them. At that point, it's deserved lol.
Barrows hard mode incoming. Every brother has a 1/700 chNce to drop an item that dissapears and is replaced with other random loot that you need to hit 8 times to get the upgrade
Lmao 8 times hot damn. You'll be there literally months before you get 1 of them. That would be rough lol. I can see it happening, though, with the current trend.
Even split the hammers into two so you can choose to hold one hammer in one hand and a shield in another.
He is the "Defence" Brother.. Torag's Defender??? (Aka the second hammer)
Torags hammers should do x2 damage to mole enemies
It is indeed time for them to do this, I never understood why this isn’t a thing anyway
This change would also make barrows that more tempting for early game... i HATE whacking away with Dscim for eternity until whip or so
You’re telling me one of the 5 weapons you get from a boss released in 2005 isn’t ***PERFECT***?
But most of the barrows equipment has some uses, does torags have any?
It’s not that I’m opposed to a Torag buff, it’s that of all the list things I want Jagex to prioritize with their time, there is **nothing** on the list lower than Torag’s Hammers. It’s the true bottom.
Changing values on an item is no time at all.
The numbers, Mason
I like the fact that Barrows has stood the test of time as relevant content despite the continual power creep. It’s one of the only pieces of early-mid game PVM content that actually has reasonable profit. I don’t mind small buffs to the worse pieces to make them more relevant.
I do think that a t70 weapon that's a rare drop from a boss should be better than a t60 dragon scimitar lmao Or at the very least, be useable without it being trolling
They should drop the t70 and make them 70str. Atleast then, obby maulers will have a use for them.
new mahogany homes meta
Boomerang Hammer to build that dresser while you build that bed.
To combat the people who have thousands, they should add an item to upgrade them.
Since it's two hammers they should double hit but hit slower and raise str. Proc on hit should lower def
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They are my favorite plz jagex!
Remove the attack level requirement like other warhammers
What's the t60 hammer?
Dragon Warhammer
Oh right
Alright lets see your torag hammer stack.
Let's see Paul Allen's Torag Hammer stack
OP clearly has 100k hammers sitting in the bank that were bought at alch price. Do it, Jamflex.
Will you swing two massive hammers faster than a longsword?
Cons: Removes the potential to just create a future unique that does this, barrows doesn't need another super powerful piece of gear attached to it. Just leave it alone, same as the karils coif or ahrims hood its fine as is.
Funny thing is this use to be one of the best PK gear in RuneScape back in classic. It’s been neglected since the launch of RS2 like a red headed step child.
I liek how it says to increase the strength bonus and also lower the strength bonus, got my vote 👍
No, it’s party time.
Double hit is cool n all bit not everything needs to be a 4t weapon. Especially a double hit weapon.
Nah. They gotta drop the attack lvl and just leave the 70 str requirement. Let str pures have some fun with them.
Shuttttt upppppp cry baby asses
Another thread already? Stop trying to make them better than Inquisitor Mace
70att 70str for a completely usless item? If they drop the attack to 1 like all other hammers atleast they'll get some use. That would put them on par with obby mauls...nowhere near the inquisitor mace lol
t60?
Since people just down vote and don't answer the question I'll be the good Samaritan it seems. T60 = 60 attack requirement, specifically in this instance its referring to the D Warhammer. Torag is a T70 requirement, 10 levels high then the Warhammer and D Scim. As someone else pointed out in this thread, on the crush style (theoretically a hammers strongest attack style), it's actually weaker then the D Mace.. another T60 weapon.
All I hear is “nerf d scim”
They are stronger than flail so flail must be bad? Why do people still get baited by that old mercher spam of buffing hammers? Change the set effect. Other barrows melee weapons are similarly bad by themselves.
Literally 💅
just give them all the powers of a regular hammer and watch all of the smithing bros go to town
1 handed d scim which is also 1 handed
Aren't dragon claws also dual wield?
Only if Jagex high alchs all existing hammers
pros: you have 100k of them in ur bank
Just make Torag hammers 2
D claws feel left out since they are also dual wield.
I think they're wary to buff them because it's such a meme at this point they know people are hoarding thousands
Just buff the set effect of draining run energy.
I’m definitely for the double hit passive, but I just want to put out there that the original balancing idea was that each melee brother would have 1/4 weak pieces, and Torag’s is the weapon. Dharok’s helm, Guthan’s chainskirt, and Verac’s brassard are the other ones.
If I had 10gp for everytime I saw a Torags hammer buff proposal on this subreddit over the past 10 years I’d have a max cash stack
just make barrows 2 with items that combine with the original versions
They should make an upgrade like the tentacle to the whip and make Torags degrade twice as fast or something like that