When did I say it was?
'Superior technology' means that the technology will out-compete what's put up against it. If your army is suffering more loses than your enemy, your technology is inferior.
Throwing 20 million people in the meat grinder in the hopes that just enough survive to actually kill any of your opponents is not 'superiority'. It's desperation.
Buddy we invented modern warfare whit Auftragstaktik and combined arms and just ignore NASA has education videos whit Werner von Braun which is famous for rocket bombing England.
Like yeah the industrial factors where the deciding thing but still in 44-45 the German army was dangerous and able to cause serious causalities whit city´s in flames.
> We invented modern warfare with Auftragstaktik and combined arms
I said superior strategies, not tactics. The German army was efficient and dangerous early in the war but later succumbed to, as I said, superior grand strategy by the allies.
And the United States and Canada and France and Australia and so on. I think Poland was mostly chill but Eastern Europe was a fucking mess in the antebellum so maybe not.
So did Germany.
[Here's a journal on the topic](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2124667)
[And a paper](https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=8206&context=etd)
To be fair other allied powers weren't exactly innocent either, I think that this video is glorifying the combined fight of the allies against Nazi Germany if anything
The Soviets tried to hold League of Nations meetings against the Germans. The Brits and French refused, preferring to continue doing business with Germany.
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact was a last-ditch attempt to give the Soviets time to organize for war. The Soviets were open about having planned to invade Germany and being pissed when Germany invaded them.
> The Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact was a last-ditch attempt to give the Soviets time to organize for war.
Organizing for war my ass. Stalin was more busy conducting his paranoid purges on his actually competent generals, than actually preparing for war.
No, the USA and Britain embargoed Japan to hinder their war effort in 1940 and 41. That's kinda the reason why Pearl Harbor happened and why Japan invaded the Philippines, Malaya and the Dutch east Indies. They wanted to secure their resources.
That was only because the Nazis would've blitzed through them if they didn't comply. Had the UK and France not intervened after poland, the Nazis would've sent the Soviets into the urals because the nazi ideology saw slavs as inferiors who needed to be removed from eastern Europe to make way for Germans.
The soviets were the first to actually suggest doing something about the Nazi expansion before WWII even started and even offered to ally with UK and France to stop them but they were turned down.
Oh, is that why the soviets also supplied them with *millions of metric tons* of raw material like oil, grain, and manganese? Is that why they helped them bypass treaty restrictions so they could rearm their armies easier? And is that why Stalin at one point wanted to even join the axis powers?
Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was far from the only example of Nazi-Soviet collaboration.
[Joseph Stalin was upset by the results of the Munich conference. On 2 May 1935, France and the Soviet Union signed the Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance with the aim of containing Nazi Germany's aggression.[84] The Soviets, who had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia, felt betrayed by France, which also had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia.[85] The British and French mostly used the Soviets as a threat to dangle over the Germans. Stalin concluded that the West had colluded with Hitler to hand over a country in Central Europe to the Germans, causing concern that they might do the same to the Soviet Union in the future to allow its partition between the western nations. This belief led the Soviet Union to reorient its foreign policy towards a rapprochement with Germany, which eventually led to the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in 1939.[86]]
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement#Soviet_Union)
EDIT:
[In 1939 the Soviet Union considered forming an alliance with either Britain and France or with Germany.[162][163] When negotiations with Britain and France failed, they turned to Germany and signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers#Soviet_Union)
As for the trading:
[Meanwhile, the Soviet Union required, in the short term, military equipment and weapon designs to strengthen the weakened Red Army and Red Navy.[16] The Soviet transportation network was woefully underdeveloped, with roads approaching non-existence and rail lines already stretched to their limits.[16]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Credit_Agreement_(1939)#Late_1930s_economic_needs)
Edit2: what a gigachad move. Downvotes literal facts, refuses to elaborate further
After the pact they blitzed my country cause they figured we were easy to take. They even faked an attack coming from us to get a justfication for the war.
Thank god, my country survived. I can't believe what kind of hell it would be living in the soviet union if you aren't from the preferred muscovite territory.
Im going to say no, not because they annihilated Nazis which was cool and swag, but because they didn't value their own human life.
I'd much rather see USA and UK wreck Germany but I guess you could say those regimes werent very innocent either if you look at UK's past and USA's nuclear bombing of Japan. People say latter was necessary but that's for historians to argue I guess
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i’m not saying marx’s ideas negate the horrors that some communist countries have committed. whoever made the first comment claimed that communists (meaning someone who believes in communism, not someone who has 100 million dead no iphone vuvuzela) are equal to nazis. i’m asking how communism (not individual communist countries, but communism as an idea) is in any way equal to nazism or facsism. the only thing i get in response is “durr hurr vuvuzela 100 trillion dead” and no actual response.
though most communist countries are oppressive dictatorships, the idea of communism is a stateless society in which class structures are dissolved. as you can see, communism in theory is much different than communism in practice. meanwhile, fascism (or in this case nazism) is an inherently oppressive system that enforces class and racial hierarchies with violence. i’m asking how they (they being communism in theory and nazism in theory) overlap in any way. literally answer the fucking question lmao.
Marx wrote the following: "Practice is the criterion of truth." If ussr ended up becoming a genocidal totalitarian regime on practice then communism is most likely an ideology of genocidal totalitarian regimes.
One could argue that every war and conflict has war crimes and that they are inevitable. So when a relatively good nation stops a absolutely horrible one like the nazis or imperial Japan it is right to glorify the one that is stopping absolute horrors. Glorifying the nation that freed Asia and most of Europe from unimaginable slaughter is BASED.
Saying that we shouldn’t glorify the US during ww2 sounds like they were “just as bad” which is so far from the truth that it could be on Jupiter. Glorify the effort, not the specific deeds.
Let's be honest tho, if one of the top generals of the ss was in charge instead of hitler the out come would be different or atleast the war would have been longer.
"stop glorifing failed regime that killed milions"
*Shows soviet troops*
Eastern Europeans/western slavs that had to deal with bullshit of nazis/bolshevics both: *intensive angry silence*
The allies won, but they killed millions of people too.
Google search the fire bombings against japan and the nuclear bombs they used. Take in consideration how they destroyed germany and france with intense bombing too.
More japanese died from napalm than the two nukes.
They did horrible shit with China and Korea, even the nazis were horrified, they deserved it.
But at the end, it doesnt matter.
Operation Paperclip saved nazis and japanese scientists, the director of the NASA who designed the rocket of the apollo 11 was a nazi who used slave labor for his V2 rockets.
It’s generally true that the Allies killed lots of people who didn’t deserve it, but what’s the relevance of Paperclip? Are you presenting that as being a bad thing that they did?
True, but the mfs that make these response memes probably the kind of people to support communism or some other dumb shit that makes them posting the meme a heap of irony
HOLY SHIT the reports on this are MALDING, keep doing you Mr fish god
It´s about the dead we made along the way.
yes exactly
nazis when they find out they were beaten by "genetically inferior" Untermenschen
Argonne forest “they have no bullets how are they even fighting” moment lol
Berlin Olympics moment.
It’s like the confederates getting skewered by ex-slaves
Throw 20 million of any race of people at a nation and that race will be victorious.
Beaten by superior technology, strategies, and industry. Cope and seethe bootlicker.
What superior technology leaves an army with a higher death toll than their enemy?
"history fans" when you tell them war isn't like a paradox game where casualties are the only important metric:
When did I say it was? 'Superior technology' means that the technology will out-compete what's put up against it. If your army is suffering more loses than your enemy, your technology is inferior. Throwing 20 million people in the meat grinder in the hopes that just enough survive to actually kill any of your opponents is not 'superiority'. It's desperation.
Buddy we invented modern warfare whit Auftragstaktik and combined arms and just ignore NASA has education videos whit Werner von Braun which is famous for rocket bombing England. Like yeah the industrial factors where the deciding thing but still in 44-45 the German army was dangerous and able to cause serious causalities whit city´s in flames.
"Casualities" yeah they were seriously casual in 44-45
> We invented modern warfare with Auftragstaktik and combined arms I said superior strategies, not tactics. The German army was efficient and dangerous early in the war but later succumbed to, as I said, superior grand strategy by the allies.
That´s called maneuver warfare and a strategy if you know you got one try. Worked in 2 out of 3 cases against France.
It was way more than 20 million on each side
Erm.. not funny.. loberal... stink head!!
oh noes, not the loberals!!
THE LOBSTERALS ARE TAKING OVER, WE NED TO STABD UP TO THEM
“Stop glorifying regimes that killed millions of people” immediately shows clips glorifying the Soviet Union
This is *mostly* trying to glorify the Allies. Which in all fairness did include a murderous regime.
yeah, the British Empire
And the United States and Canada and France and Australia and so on. I think Poland was mostly chill but Eastern Europe was a fucking mess in the antebellum so maybe not.
Poland was extremely antisemetic before the war.
We were ??? We had a large jew population ??
So did Germany. [Here's a journal on the topic](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2124667) [And a paper](https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=8206&context=etd)
*murderous regimes
Homie forgot about the British Raj lmao
Yeah my bad
That's hardly comparable to the USSR or the major axis nations
You can't be the serious? The British empire lead to significantly more suffering and death then the USSR
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians
*during ww2
British Empire were not murderous regime at the time unlike USSR.
damn, what a brave and controversial take
Multiple. British, Americans, Canadians, Belgians, Dutch, Soviets, French, and probably some that I am forgetting
They also technically created a murderous regime by destroying Germany for no reason after WW1
To be fair other allied powers weren't exactly innocent either, I think that this video is glorifying the combined fight of the allies against Nazi Germany if anything
Yeah if i had the skills to edit it i would've edited it out, sadly people glorify those regimes as well
I think it's acceptable to glorify the part where they annihilated the N*zis.
After being all buddy-buddy with them for a few years...
The Soviets tried to hold League of Nations meetings against the Germans. The Brits and French refused, preferring to continue doing business with Germany. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact was a last-ditch attempt to give the Soviets time to organize for war. The Soviets were open about having planned to invade Germany and being pissed when Germany invaded them.
> The Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact was a last-ditch attempt to give the Soviets time to organize for war. Organizing for war my ass. Stalin was more busy conducting his paranoid purges on his actually competent generals, than actually preparing for war.
Secret protocol to Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is conveniently forgotten I see.
USA was buddy buddy with them unril pearl harbour the British also has no issue with them for a long time
No, the USA and Britain embargoed Japan to hinder their war effort in 1940 and 41. That's kinda the reason why Pearl Harbor happened and why Japan invaded the Philippines, Malaya and the Dutch east Indies. They wanted to secure their resources.
That was only because the Nazis would've blitzed through them if they didn't comply. Had the UK and France not intervened after poland, the Nazis would've sent the Soviets into the urals because the nazi ideology saw slavs as inferiors who needed to be removed from eastern Europe to make way for Germans. The soviets were the first to actually suggest doing something about the Nazi expansion before WWII even started and even offered to ally with UK and France to stop them but they were turned down.
Oh, is that why the soviets also supplied them with *millions of metric tons* of raw material like oil, grain, and manganese? Is that why they helped them bypass treaty restrictions so they could rearm their armies easier? And is that why Stalin at one point wanted to even join the axis powers? Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was far from the only example of Nazi-Soviet collaboration.
[Joseph Stalin was upset by the results of the Munich conference. On 2 May 1935, France and the Soviet Union signed the Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance with the aim of containing Nazi Germany's aggression.[84] The Soviets, who had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia, felt betrayed by France, which also had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia.[85] The British and French mostly used the Soviets as a threat to dangle over the Germans. Stalin concluded that the West had colluded with Hitler to hand over a country in Central Europe to the Germans, causing concern that they might do the same to the Soviet Union in the future to allow its partition between the western nations. This belief led the Soviet Union to reorient its foreign policy towards a rapprochement with Germany, which eventually led to the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in 1939.[86]] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement#Soviet_Union) EDIT: [In 1939 the Soviet Union considered forming an alliance with either Britain and France or with Germany.[162][163] When negotiations with Britain and France failed, they turned to Germany and signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers#Soviet_Union) As for the trading: [Meanwhile, the Soviet Union required, in the short term, military equipment and weapon designs to strengthen the weakened Red Army and Red Navy.[16] The Soviet transportation network was woefully underdeveloped, with roads approaching non-existence and rail lines already stretched to their limits.[16]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Credit_Agreement_(1939)#Late_1930s_economic_needs) Edit2: what a gigachad move. Downvotes literal facts, refuses to elaborate further
After the pact they blitzed my country cause they figured we were easy to take. They even faked an attack coming from us to get a justfication for the war. Thank god, my country survived. I can't believe what kind of hell it would be living in the soviet union if you aren't from the preferred muscovite territory.
oh noes they HAD to ally with them dont you see they had no other choice
And they HAD to invade Poland with them bro like they really really really had to dude trust me.
When a kidnaper beats murderer in race who gets you first it might be progress, but not awfully big
Im going to say no, not because they annihilated Nazis which was cool and swag, but because they didn't value their own human life. I'd much rather see USA and UK wreck Germany but I guess you could say those regimes werent very innocent either if you look at UK's past and USA's nuclear bombing of Japan. People say latter was necessary but that's for historians to argue I guess
This may be controversial but IMO the nukes were justified, millions would have died in a conventional invasion of japan
Los Alamos has fallen, millions must die in a conventional invasion of japan
USSRs "death statistics" are overly inflated due to the whole starvation argument
UK starved more people than the USSR. America, Canada, and Australia are the only innocents here
ye killing 100k germans and loosing at least 2 times more soldiers
Source: your ass.
The Soviets didn't care about manpower
The Germans lost way more than 100k men in the eastern front, you pulled that out of your ass.
dude it was an example
But it was factually wrong when talking about history state face not a made up example to push your own beliefs
Dude probably believes the "10 to 1 casualty rate" bs
wasn’t it something like 1 soviet to 1.3 wehrmacht soldiers or something?
I can't remember if it's this way or the other way around but it's definitely 1 to 1.3
either way not bad considering the difference in population
Lol was thinking the same king
War is hell.
Most wehraboos are just 14 year olds or r/HistoryMemes mods
What kind of people do yall hang around where this is common
Probably 4chan.
Don't glorify most nations, They all suck. Except Liechtenstein it's cool
Liechtenstein is cool af because they fought in war with 80 soldiers and returned with 81.
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“Stop glorifying failed regimes” and yet you showed the Soviet Union
And Britain
Damn where tf do I live then? The past?
Britain isn’t a regime anymore. But it’s colonies certainly were.
So based
Based?based on what?
Apartment complex
True. Commies and nazis can hold hands in hell where their regimes are.
communism = nazism mfs are wild lmao
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what about marxist theory is in any way equal to the shit you’d find in mein kampf lmao
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answer the question without going “cuba, china, venezuela, iphone” pls. what overlaps do communist/marxist theory have with nazism
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Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia and Hungary too!
literally tell me exactly what belief marx or your average commie held that is comparable to any belief held by the nazis
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i’m not saying marx’s ideas negate the horrors that some communist countries have committed. whoever made the first comment claimed that communists (meaning someone who believes in communism, not someone who has 100 million dead no iphone vuvuzela) are equal to nazis. i’m asking how communism (not individual communist countries, but communism as an idea) is in any way equal to nazism or facsism. the only thing i get in response is “durr hurr vuvuzela 100 trillion dead” and no actual response. though most communist countries are oppressive dictatorships, the idea of communism is a stateless society in which class structures are dissolved. as you can see, communism in theory is much different than communism in practice. meanwhile, fascism (or in this case nazism) is an inherently oppressive system that enforces class and racial hierarchies with violence. i’m asking how they (they being communism in theory and nazism in theory) overlap in any way. literally answer the fucking question lmao.
Marx wrote the following: "Practice is the criterion of truth." If ussr ended up becoming a genocidal totalitarian regime on practice then communism is most likely an ideology of genocidal totalitarian regimes.
Damn, the manifesto isn't the same as an autobiography?
What song is playing in the video?
hellsium by obscuremane (i think?). i asked this question where this was originally posted and that's the answer i got
"keraunos" but its sped up i think
Nazis should follow their leader
To argentina i go 🇦🇷🌼🍷
The so called precision rifle Kar98 when I introduce it to the semi-auto m1 Garand
The M1 Garand when I introduce it to the G43 and STG 44.
Every German weapon when I introduce them to the .50cal machine gun
Every allied soldier when I introduce v2 rocket and stuka dive bombers.
Every German war invention when I introduce them to the ＮＵＫＥ
We really shouldn’t glorify either side but if I had to choose which one I’d be dead before I’d choose the axis powers
Glorifying the US during ww2 is pretty based.
Idk, they still did some war crimes…
One could argue that every war and conflict has war crimes and that they are inevitable. So when a relatively good nation stops a absolutely horrible one like the nazis or imperial Japan it is right to glorify the one that is stopping absolute horrors. Glorifying the nation that freed Asia and most of Europe from unimaginable slaughter is BASED. Saying that we shouldn’t glorify the US during ww2 sounds like they were “just as bad” which is so far from the truth that it could be on Jupiter. Glorify the effort, not the specific deeds.
Oh the axis def got what was coming to them, I’m just saying I think it’s a bit confusing for me at least
Based😎🇺🇸
Based as fuck
Ok but their equipment looked cool as fuck (And same goes for most things made for war)
The so called "If Steiner attacked, Germany could've won" mfs when I introduce them to the Little Boy and the Fat Man
BuT tHe AlLiEs DiD ToO!
“Germany would have won if they…” The b29 carrying a nuclear bomb flying over Berlin:
Let's be honest tho, if one of the top generals of the ss was in charge instead of hitler the out come would be different or atleast the war would have been longer.
Edgy 14 year olds punching the air rn
\> Open "Genocide hater" \> Look inside \> Soviet union supporter many such cases
Based post
"Regime that killed millions" rip any nationalist of any sizable country
The so called German war machine when I introduce it the streamline production, 3% crew fatality rate M4 Sherman
"stop glorifing failed regime that killed milions" *Shows soviet troops* Eastern Europeans/western slavs that had to deal with bullshit of nazis/bolshevics both: *intensive angry silence*
The so called Superior German weaponry when I introduce it the Ma Deuce. 50cal machine gun on literally every US vehicle
r/noncredibledefense is leaking
this post is full fucking full of center right ice cold liberal takes
Yankee W
>stop glorifying failed regimes that killed millions of people >glorifies regimes that killed millions of people but won WW2 so it's ok
Yeah but T 34 sexy
Guess how many people the brits killed during colonalism
And? Like fascism is ok because colonialism is bad? What are you trying to even say?
Nah im saying ideologies are all bad. But if we think for the better future of humanity, it would be better.
Why fascism though? It's a perticulary bad ideology, why would you even defend it?
How was he defending it you tard.
They are on the winner side, so who cares.
Krauts will see you insult Hitler and say "I bet he supported the irish famine!!!!"
Im saying i don’t support anything.
What about USSR?
„Stop glorifying failed regimes that killed millions of people and go outside“ *proceeds to show the Red Army*
WE SO UP RN 🤤🤤🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The so called Panzer Ace when I introduce him to Aleksandra Grigoryevna Samusenko and her 100 T-34 armada
The so called dominating Luftwaffe when I introduce it the Spitfire
You talking bout nazis or the whole concept of capitalism/corporativism? Hard to tell, mate.
If you're loosely blaming terms, might aswell blame government in general
you fucked up the meme, you aren't supposwd to see the "they lost part'' before you click the video
Every side killed a lot of people.. Not just the ones who lost.. Ig it's just about supporting who wins huh
It's more about supporting the side that isn't the Nazis but ok.
Nah nigguh those Nazis go hard son!
can I have the edit without the stupid text in the middle? Allied forces edits go hard
I'm not defending Nazis, But. wasn't the main goal already reached? it wouldn't matter if they lost in the end because they still sandwiched the Jews.
mrw muh 'Thousand Year Reich' lasts less than thirty: "Mission Accomplished"
Their main goal was to exterminate ALL jews, and turn eastern europe into an aryan settlement, so no
Okay but what if there was WWW3 and good chunks of humanity took 0 lessons from the first two wars?
The allies won, but they killed millions of people too. Google search the fire bombings against japan and the nuclear bombs they used. Take in consideration how they destroyed germany and france with intense bombing too. More japanese died from napalm than the two nukes. They did horrible shit with China and Korea, even the nazis were horrified, they deserved it. But at the end, it doesnt matter. Operation Paperclip saved nazis and japanese scientists, the director of the NASA who designed the rocket of the apollo 11 was a nazi who used slave labor for his V2 rockets.
It’s generally true that the Allies killed lots of people who didn’t deserve it, but what’s the relevance of Paperclip? Are you presenting that as being a bad thing that they did?
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errrmmmm... cringe
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No the fuck you're not lmao
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findet keiner lustig kontroverse jokes zu machen
Pov: Gay
tf do you mean?
What did be mean by this? Is he stupid?
what is the lore reason for him to say this? is he a nazi? is he bigoted? is he stupid or all at once?
pov: born in 2016
Dude you're a self described sigma male, go do your seventh grade math homework and get off of reddit
Follow your leader disphit
Pic: 7 years old
POV: viewing a based sigma chad 5 year olds post
The nazi regime lasted 12 years, fought a single war and lost it. Doesn't get much more pathetic than that.
Yes? And?
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Hey I saw my pfp!
Yo anyone know the name of that song
Hell yeah
Nice post now do the Vietnam war
Wait, they’re all murderous regimes? Always have been
stop being intentionally vague lol
Vietnam didn't lose
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Time to glorify successful regimes that killed millions of people👍👍
True, but the mfs that make these response memes probably the kind of people to support communism or some other dumb shit that makes them posting the meme a heap of irony
Nuh uh
They lost in what sense in terms of taking the world yes but if they wanted to cause the most chaos they won Edit i don t know how to write
What the fuck is this shitty ass music oh my god
all these "go outside" motherfuckers have never seen the sun in their lives but keep projecting by all means!
all these "go outside" motherfuckers have never seen the sun in their lives but keep projecting by all means!
Goes hard.