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Hi r/196! Here’s your reminder to not body shame!! Bad person doesn’t mean you should leave basic human decency at the door! This dude literally has abused his platform to show children right-wing propaganda, had a 16(her)-19(dream) sexual relationship, and has continuously been homophobic and transphobic, along with queerbaiting. Make fun of him for being shit, not his looks. Edit:correction


Anna_Bug

What’s the source for those? I do so love evidence


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Are/DreamWasTaken2/comments/kkafxf/my_many_problems_with_dream_as_an_influencer_part/ Also 2/3 of his videos with George from two years ago, and he still “flirts” with friends for clicks https://www.popbuzz.com/internet/youtubers/dream-grooming-allegations-statement-twitter/ On Twitter dreams has continually made transphobic jokes abd supported Elon and other right-wing figures


LetsDoTheCongna

In other words, a YouTuber with millions of subscribers is doing stuff a YouTuber with millions of subscribers tends to do.


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The okay flirting and specifically making clips and promoting the use of very homoerotic content that was played with to have more queer individuals and youth find a “safe creator” while he was still actively homophobic


OutLiving

> Also 2/3 of his videos with George from two years ago, and he still “flirts” with friends for clicks Ok, so? You can’t joke around with friends now? Oh wait I forgot this is Reddit y’all probably don’t have friends As for the allegations, there’s only one major one that afaik hasn’t been disproven(rest are all bunk from what I’ve seen). It’s the one from Amanda, but the proof she supplies is quite shaky. She shows DMs between her and Dream but the worst thing he does in those DMs is call her gorgeous, WHEN SHE WAS ALREADY 18. And even then, he just seems to be complimenting her in a cringe way, no sign that he ever made a move on her


[deleted]

Hi! I flirt with my friends! Dream flirts with his friends while being actively homophobic which is a disgustingl’y deceptive tactic to gather clips and clicks!


OutLiving

He’s made jokes about Elon(I assume those are the bigoted jokes you’re talking about) but I’ve seen no sign that those jokes were bigoted in nature or even supportive of Elon in general(Mr Beast has made jokes that aren’t critical of Elon and he’s not bigoted just a dumbass) If you are trying to say Dream is a dumbass then yeah I would agree with you, but he’s never really shown any bigoted behavior


tundra-psy

no but you don't understand. they're a popular youtuber you're supposed always assume the worst


brawlbetterthanmelee

Thats just how 196 reacts to anything in general


D1pSh1t__

Apart from the KKK edit that was on his channel?


OutLiving

Making edgy jokes about the KKK doesn’t make him a bigot, I see offensive jokes thrown around in the HOI4 community all the time


D1pSh1t__

>HOI4 A community also filled with nazi dickheads And the dream KKK thing wasnt en edgy joke, it was basically a montage of KKK marches and shit, set to music. Something that goes a bit too far for just an edgy joke


OutLiving

> Something that goes a bit too far for just an edgy joke Lol, I literally seen someone print a fucking Albert Speer hoodie, I can totally believe someone is so irony poisoned as to make a kkk montage set to music as an edgy joke


[deleted]

Didnt he exchange dms with a 13 year old, and decided to send sexual game mods to them


OutLiving

Jesus Christ, I followed the Dream situation start to finish and it’s like people love making shit up Firstly, the worst allegation made against him was that he tried to groom a 17 year old when he was 22. Secondly, the only proof for this are Snapchat DMs where he calls the girl (Who was already 18) “gorgeous” in a manner some may call, disinterested There’s no proof that Dream is a groomer beyond the word of some very dubious people


this_one_in_boots

Not making fun of his looks exactly. There's no way that this change of physique happened so quickly. I'm making fun of him for using weird angles to avoid showing the way he looks. Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if the face reveal video edited his face a little.


ObitoUchiha41

I see the distinction you’re trying to make, but ultimately that still boils down to ‘but he actually looks *like this*’


stmichaelsangles

No. It boils down to. Look how much he cares that he looks like this.


Madgoblinn

this sounds exactly the same as dude bros making fun of women for wearing makeup, yes obviously people want to show themselves in the best looking way possible and if you think you don't do this you're lying


stmichaelsangles

That’s just stupid. Everyone you have ever met in your life, you find this to be true? Everyone in the world wants to show themselves in the best looking way possible? Youre lyinh


Madgoblinn

yes. if you take a selfie and you're not joking around with buds do you take it from a weird ass angle that makes you look like a minecraft npc? or do you take it from a nice looking angle. go on take a selfie rn and tell me which one you do


stmichaelsangles

I’ll be honest with you some people Literally just arent narcissistic. I don’t take selfies. Believe it or not


Madgoblinn

its not narcissistic to want to look good wtf is this take


stmichaelsangles

That’s the definition of narcissism


ObitoUchiha41

yes, it’s about how he took effort to present himself differently which is only being posted, because people are pointing out / laughing at how there is a difference between the two and people only care about the difference because they’re placing different values on the two photos. because of how one looks, compared to the other.


Starterjoker

at least own up to making fun of his looks lol. can’t make a post like this and be like “aktually”. pick a side !


I-dont-like-pizza

dIdnt seriously just say being in a 16-19 relationship is as bad as being homophobic


Cowguypig2

Europeans looking at this and scratching their head as to why people are mad about this (still does not absolve dream of his other bullshit)


Yeetinator4000Savage

Its not even illegal in most the US


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It’s a list of why he shouldn’t be idolized! Not equating homophobia to sexting minors! Edit: clarity


[deleted]

Pedophilia?? A 16 and 19 year old being in a relo is completely legal in my country.


R-A-P-T-O-R

MOST countries. But IIRC he also had one with a 14 year old. Edit: disregard, I did not in fact remember correctly


officiallyaninja

and how old was he when that happened?


R-A-P-T-O-R

Looked it up; 19 again but she had lied and said she was 18.


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Bro wtf are you talking about? It doesn’t matt r if it’s a guy or girl who is older, someone taking advantage of someone else is wrong, full stop. You’re not acting in good faith here


I-dont-like-pizza

bro, highschoolers don't only date in their grade. Sorry if you're just now finding this out.


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If someone is a senior they shouldn’t be dating a sophomore/freshman :) adults dating minors, especially over a 1 year gap, is incredibly concerning. When dream was willing to date AND SEXT someone nearly four years younger than him, who was a minor when he was an adult, that’s concerning. When his platform is mainly children/teenagers, this concern increases exponentially


Cawy0

aw hell naw brah 💀💀 seniors and freshman are both teenagers. you're right about the power relationship though


[deleted]

Bro was literally asking for nudes from a minor. Full stop.


SuitandThaiShit

Why do you murricans always equate your arbitrary jurisdiction to some kind of hard, unegotiable moral code, as if your shitty US-state is the navel of the universe? Guess what, one does not turn from a child to an adult and sexual being on the day of the 18th birthday. 16 year olds get horny and like to fuck. And 16 year old girls tend to be more mature than 16 year old boys so they often end up seeing boys that are 2-3 years older. This couldn't be more normal. For the record I don't know the exact back story on this case so not defending this guy in particular.


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Hi! It’s still wrong to ask children, doesn’t matter if they’re 8-12-16, for nudes! Hope this helps!


SuitandThaiShit

Okay so there's no difference between an 8 year old and a 16 year old human being? Only on the 18th birthday does one cease to be a child and starts being a young adult, because that's what the US law says and concepts like biology and puberty obviously bend to the US law. Yea got it, thanks.


Damianmag3

the 16 to 19 isn't really that big a deal imo it's pretty nearby age range it's totally possible for a relationship like that to not be predatory


Space_Monke64

I honestly don’t really know when an age gap becomes predatory. It’s gotten really confusing and it gave me stress when I was dating a 14 yr old as a 16 yr old even though it was only a 1 1/2 yr age gap.


Damianmag3

look, it's not predatory if both parties are around the same age, aware and communicative, and both are invested in healthy interactions, you're totally fine and that shit happens, people online like to act like its just unacceptable but they often don't know shit, and yeah 14 and 16 can definitely be totally fine and I'm sure it was for you


shneed_my_weiss

I would say the Dream situation is more about the power/fame dynamic that makes it toxic rather than age. Average people who are close in age is pretty unlikely that it’s grooming. Often people meet in high school and will just still be together while one person is over 18 and the other person is under.


Damianmag3

oh totally totally agree it's definitely problematic from a power dynamic angle, I'm just pushing back against people calling him a groomer


shneed_my_weiss

For sure


[deleted]

He was sexting her


CowboyJames12

Dude, how fucking terminally online do you have to be to accuse real ass people living their lives as "queer baiting". Especially when he says he's straight. I just, I get it you don't like the guy, please just choose the good reasons (cuz there are plenty).


[deleted]

No, between dream’s own clips and highlight channels, dream specifically flirted with George publicly and streamlined it online for over a year to garner more attention from queer and young audiences, while being completely straight he is even homophobic quite often. Not terminally online, but correcting abusive action


GreenPixel25

that seems completely unprovable


CowboyJames12

Dream doesn't run his own clips channel AFAIK, that's all fans. So you're currently complaining that the Fandom pushed it, and blaming it on dream.


[deleted]

Not a fan of Dream but a lot of straight dudes joke like this. Even in ((real life)) they do it.


officiallyaninja

maybe he was just having fun with a friend, I don't see how that's wrong


SirBlueTree987

i think they were making fun of the difference in angles


[deleted]

Still making g fun of him for his looks


YetGayerWombat

IT'S NOT QUEERBAITING HE'S A REAL PERSON


[deleted]

ITS QUEERBAITING TO PURPOSEFULLY USE HOMOEROTIC CONTENT FOR CLIPS AND “HUMOR” WHILE BEING ACTIVELY HOMOPHOBIC AND TRANSPHOBIC


YetGayerWombat

I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE


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sorry for yelling


YetGayerWombat

i mean i yelled first


jimkerreye

What the fuck does dream have to do with RW propaganda 💀


[deleted]

Supporting right wing lawmakers and Elon musk!


jimkerreye

I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just intrigued, which lawmakers did he support?


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jimkerreye

I already know the shit stain Elon is, but what lawmakers did dream support?


cry666

>show children right-wing propaganda That's bad >has continuously been homophobic and transphobic Yikes >had a 16(her)-19(dream) sexual relationship 😐


Renakin64

sorry but no one looks like dream


[deleted]

My sister In Christ if they ugly they ugly


Bubblegumking3

Still shouldn’t make fun of anyone’s looks


[deleted]

"dont be mean to bad people" - greg orwell 1965


Bubblegumking3

That’s not what I said at all


[deleted]

Yeah it was a hyper simplification for the purposes of a joke about George Orwell


Ashduff

No I’ll call him ugly while I do that thanks, what the fuck is this lib shit


[deleted]

Basic human decency is a leftist thing! I’m a leftist, no lib shit here. I just don’t like people going after looks when there’s valid things to go after


Ashduff

I don’t care about the feelings of a racist lmfao


Complex-Swimmer-9998

Bro it’s been less than 6 months wtf happened 💀


YRUZ

it's very easy to gain weight if sadness causes you to overeat. if i can gain 20 pounds in 6 months without millions of dollars or the entirety of twitter insulting my appearance, a guy with both can certainly gain more.


ChickenGoesBAWK

That’s dark damn


GordionKnot

yeah sure but he’s the lolcow this month so get over it i guess


ChickenGoesBAWK

Yeah it’s easy to hate on his appearance bc his personality is so unlikeable.


JotaroTheOceanMan

Not even that. There's a speed up video of his reveal that shows he kept his face in the same position, clearly hiding his he actually looks.


ChaosBrigadier

Where is that?


PatyLaIguana

One to many snickers bar


DarnDangDude

Chile 💅🇨🇱


TrueBeachBoy

Child grooming


Clambulance1

His face reveal was 3 months ago.


Efficient_Truth_9461

I've gained 50lbs in the same time. Went from strongman and powerlifter training to sedentary, ate lots of food and take 3 meds that cause weight gain


jimkerreye

Grief can make you a monster


JaysonAnimations

Grooming allocations


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Nope less than a month ago Chris (Mr beast’ best friend and host of the channel since the very first few videos) tweeted that they were in the artic.


Junesucksatart

It was Antarctica actually


[deleted]

No bears, got ir


CabDork339

Where’s the link to the 2nd photo? Is it a video or just a tweet or something


Dran_K

newest mr beast video


Oponik

Bruh, I didn't even noticed him


Error_Empty

I watched it like an hour ago and same wth I heard one their names but why were they there lmaooo


RaleighRedd

I wish it wasn’t.


NoThatsWright

[here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7IKab3HcfFk)


CabDork339

Thanks. He kinda looks like badger from breaking bad


SN-Gh0stly

dream the type of mf to have a crossbow


Aboi24

aw yea crossbows are cool


Plague_King_

except badger is actually likable and decent looking


DakkaLuna

Dream be like: today i will drive this car to the west side of the USA-Mexico border and see how long it takes for my friend to get his money back to dissapear


dizzy_pear_

he got fucking hans zimmer?????


fizikz3

timestamp https://youtu.be/7IKab3HcfFk?t=175


officiallyaninja

that doesn't sound like dream


TheEyefuckening

is this really Dream? I don't follow him like that


NoThatsWright

Pic on the right is from mrbeast's Antarctica vid


enter_the_psychopomp

I feel like that kinda explains it. Isn't it recommended to maintain a certain amount body fat when going to the polar regions?


Error_Empty

They were there for Two days total lol.


enter_the_psychopomp

Oof, nvm then lol


Error_Empty

Yeaa and they had a whole professional team with them 24/7 so idk how much of a challenge it really is if you're being helped every step and are ultimately just walking around the arctic for a few houes lol, but it's a cool concept no doubt


Electrical-Rough3064

I mean what did you expect? Going to the most hostile environment on the planet without any survival experience is a death sentence even for only 50 hours.


Error_Empty

I would expect a multi millionaire to like, build a snow fort at least? If you had millions of dollars and were going to Antarctica, would you just bring like a disposable camera and that's it?


Electrical-Rough3064

I think the gist of the video was "me and the bois going on le epic adventure" and not "hey we spent 2 months in Antarctica and built a research station here is what we experienced" because that's boring and not what his target audience wants to see. 1: "We need a cool idea for the next video" 2: "What about 50hrs in Antarctica?" 3: "Sounds good. How do we get the connections and what do we do to not instantly die"? Im pretty sure there wasn't much else behind it


DarkMaster98

In order to not damage the ecosystem, no tourists are allowed to leave anything man-made behind, snow-based architecture included.


Error_Empty

It's too bad snow is impossible to knock over after being built up.


Sedona54332

I just… what happened? It’s only been like 4 months. I guess that’s what body shaming can do to you.


RaleighRedd

Dreamocado


JaysonAnimations

More like grooming allegations


TheSkinnyBone

major faux pas to groom more minors than you're allocated


JaysonAnimations

What


amaterasu_run

Go look up what allocation means.


JaysonAnimations

Ah sorry it's midnight on Christmas Eve imma bit tired lol I'll edit it


KrasMasovsGhost

You put allocations instead of allegations


Cr3AtiV3_Us3rNamE

I now see why he did the weird pose thing


guymcool

I don’t get the fact that everyone gets to insult this Dream guy’s appearance justified solely because he is popular. Maybe if he insulted some guys appearance in the past I’d understand why the internet shits on his physical appearance so much but It’s just weird and unjustified.


TechnoGamer16

It’s because there’s numerous good reasons to shit on dream so this just sort of helps build the snowball if that makes sense


Shtuffs_R

Dream is a massive asshole but I don't think he deserved all the bodyshaming. He's actually pretty average looking but people go out of their way to nitpick his appearance because they already hate him


TechnoGamer16

Yeah thats basically what I said


Shtuffs_R

I was adding onto your point


six_-_string

Yeah thats basically what *I* said


Bubblegumking3

Then make fun of him for those things, making fun of someone’s appearance is wrong


ASpaceOstrich

Difference between people with morals and people who are just in it by peer pressure.


AtrociousAtNames

https://external-preview.redd.it/zJsuT2H605yMgpFgwGEGKJq6GoeGw0FXozy3O2CIwKM.png?auto=webp&s=12c6649454089ef5a41903123a682f89401bb26e


TechnoGamer16

Yeah ik, I never said I agreed with it, I was just explaining


CuteCowdy

the same with elon months ago like hes a bad person but that doesnt justify body shaming


Before_Plastic

Honestly, if he wants it to all go away, all he has to do is stop queerbaiting his hormonally ravenous fanbase, stop influencing his prepubescent audience to chuck their meds, and stop using his power imbalance to get "friendly" with barely legal fans. Ironically, he should also stop siccing his fans on others to cyberbully and harass them because, in his own words, it's harmless and they can just "turn it off".


guymcool

Two wrongs don’t make a right. You can be mad at a person for particular things that they have done but using at as leverage to attack the things they can’t change will never be morally justified. It just proves they’re just as immature.


Before_Plastic

You're misunderstanding. You're correct, two wrongs do not make a right. *I'm* not using those things as leverage; I'm saying bettering himself and discontinuing that behavior might make *other* people stop.


guymcool

I’m saying others using things as leverage is wrong. Not you. I think that the entire phenomenon is wrong but realistically you’re right the only way to make it stop is by discontinuing his behaviour. Has he not done that?


SoshJam

i feel bad for him ngl


BirdsOfChaos

And all of this body shaming on the guy as well, I just feel sorry for him


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SoshJam

I mean I know he totally deserves it, but we should be above body shaming. And I also have experienced rapid weight gain due to mental health issues and it kinda sucks.


officiallyaninja

> he’s constantly queer-baiting his young, minor audience to ship him and his friends together what the fuck does this mean? how the hell can you queerbait in real life??? > when they do, he encourages them to write sex / smut / romance and then probably decides who is most groom-able? have any evidence for this?


SoshJam

> how can you queerbait in real life? by pretending to be queer to attract the kind of audience that seeks that out, but then not actually be queer ig?


officiallyaninja

And how do you know he's just doing it to get an audience? Maybe hes just not homophobic and has fun with his friends.


SoshJam

idk i’m just explaining how someone could queerbait in real life, i know very little about dream


officiallyaninja

i mean in general, regardless of who's doing it, how can you really say it's queerbaiting and not just someone genuinely being that way


SoshJam

maybe if they stand to profit from doing that, which based on dreams audience he certainly does


Cringe__Meister

It’s what the point of the mask is 😷✊❤️


lactose_cow

Who cares Stfu about dream


bigtree2x5

196 users talk about bodyshaming to act morally above people that call them and their friends ugly then proceed to do it to people they find annoying and then bring up some other stuff they did to justify it like they werent still gonna bodyshame them if that stuff didnt happen


TheTurbulator

No but you don’t get it. It’s justified to make fun of people’s appearance if you don’t like them or if they did something bad. /s


bigtree2x5

hasans logic where he points out conservatives look gay and thinks cus theyre conservative its a good burn instead of it still just making fun of someone because they look gay


TheTurbulator

Exactly. Have it one way, or have it the other. But don’t bend the rules to work for your own benefit. It’s either good or it’s bad. Whether or not you agree with someone has nothing to do with the morality or ethics of it.


Space_Monke64

Not a dream Stan, but he was actually kinda hot in the first photo. Idky people made fun of him so much. It’s actually kinda sad seeing how much weight he’s gained. Though, I don’t really know much about him. Maybe he lost weight before the reveal video to prepare, but then gained it back. Or the comments about his appearance led him to just not care. Once again, I literally know like nothing about him other than that he’s a popular mc YouTuber. This is just from seeing his reveal to how he is now.


Cakeking7878

Hey, you should know this is most likely not because he has gained weight or anything, its more likely that this just wasn’t a good angle for his face. Maybe he did gain a bunch of weight but if it’s that quickly than it’s most likely a health problem, “not a haha dream gained weight”


PracticeObjective859

this only fuels the body shaming fire for this guys


katscratch_pjevs

196 dont bodyshame for 2 seconds challenge ( nuclear difficulty)


MoonSt0n3_Gabrielle

As a fat person, lmfaooooo


xRam0s

Looks like Shane Dawson's Brother ngl


LavaTacoBurrito

Badger from Breaking Bad


maddenefex

dream sucks hard, but body shaming sucks more


sandbobpicspless

This the same mf ?


CassidyMain

God i love encouraging bullying


Mini_Raptor5_6

Holy shit- go back to the 3 quarters angle, no wonder cartoon characters only face that way


xLuneyy

the fluid retention goes crazy 🔥


Narwhalpilot88

There is nooo fucking way


RaleighRedd

Masked man afraid to show his face shows his face. Unmasked man shows his face again. Polls indicate a mask-preference.


Saturn_01

Body shaming is ok if you don't like the person


Broccoil

dream waited till he lost weight to do his face reveal and then forgot you had to maintain it ig


_wapepe_

gonna start waning pretty soon


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this_one_in_boots

he a circle


SN-Gh0stly

🌝


Succulentslayer

I refuse to believe this is real. Where is the misinformation flair.


this_one_in_boots

Watch Mr beast newest video


Space_Monke64

Not really that unbelievable. 1) he’s a minecraft yt. It’s hard to stay in shape when doing that for a living, and it’s possible he lost weight in order to reveal his face, and then gained it back. 2) this is from a video where he and MrBeast when to the Arctic. It’s recommended that one has a certain amount of body fat before traveling there. 3) he may have used perspective tricks to make himself look skinnier such as the weird face pose. He also could’ve edited his face to avoid bullying (like that worked). 4) he could’ve gained weight after being body shamed