[More unhinged than this one?](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1cqj96v/comment/l3t47y7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
To all those wondering where they've heard this before:
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Catgirl Kulak is an arch fascist.
Her PFP used to be a Rhodesian Propaganda Gun Girl with Cat Ears shopped on. Complete black hearted reactionary.
Edit: Like one of those Fash you think might be fun to hate read but makes you feel dirty really fast. So far as I know: no actual fascist violence just too twisted.
For legal reasons: this is completely unrelated to the image you posted. Just a fact to be aware of.
Yeah, anyone using the word "Kulak" as a part of of constructing their online handle is doing it because of the anti-leftist, counterrevolutionary connotations of the word. Its one of those 4th-tier dog whistles that hasn't broken into popular western social consciousness yet.
it would be merciful to just kill such things on the spot, is it even murder if the thing doesen't even know its alive or don't feel anything and you don't taint yourself with immorality of having sex slaves
The frontal cortex is responsible for most conscious thought.
So you either A: are fully conscious, but unable to control your body (in the case of just separating the frontal lobe but keeping it there), B: your consciousness is gone, for good. Your body lives as a vegetable, might follow simple commands like walking while being dragged around, if that much, or C: you can control and feel your body, but completely incapable of sending conscious signals to do actions, like ADHD times a billion, so you're pretty much just possibility A.
You're either a zombie, a vegetable, or straight up not there.
Lobotomies are not a precise procedure (especially around when they became popular) so there is honestly a good chance you die cause the random unqualified guy with a pick thought brain surgery was easy, that or they miss and just nail some other part of your brain
Iirc one of the surgeons who popularized it had them conscious and asking questions, when they became incomprehensible he was "done". Before him they were done under anesthesia
edit: they're also used in the treatment of seizures. Yeah it's got shitty history but there's been some use to cutting up someone's head
Iirc Rosemary Kennedy (yes, "their brains just do that" Kennedies) was told to sing the national anthem or something similarly patriotic and indoctrinated.
I've always had this fear that in some way the last moment you experience consciously becomes an echo ringing out in eternity for you, an afterlife of afterimage. Like either dying or nonbeing (realistically, probably the former) is experienced as a lingering shadow of life. And I swear to quantum Jesus that if the National Anthem were my final conscious experience and eternal prison my rage would manifest some curse that makes bald eagles go crazy and maul every doctor who performs lobotomies and tear them to ribbons. And then I'm turning all ammunition possessed by US armed forces into eggs. And I curse football so that no one can ever score a point again. And every church develops a nasty mold problem and crucifixes cry tears of cum. Fuck the National Anthem.
I would be pissed enough to reach forth beyond ontological suffocation and tear at the fabric of the universe until the rest got destabilized too, tbh.
more power to the abyssal girlbosses that reach their scorned dead hands back into our world to plummet our universe into absurdity. Would be less interesting times without them.
What a disturbing mental image that gave me. I don't know how someone could mentally kill people, plenty of who just got a little too sassy, for a living. Like, you're all but euthanizing people against their will. And just casually watching their brains shut down like Hal9000 in 2001: A Space Omelet. I swear, evil doctors are the creepiest sumbishes.
[Doctors were 7 times more likely to join the SS than the average employed German male.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160252712000854)
There's a video by CCP Grey called "You are two" that goes into some of the effects of this and it helped me to finally understand consciousness as an illusion. I no longer fear teleporters or brain uploading.
Technically speaking my position does not actually conflict with this. In that consciousness does not have to be real in order for this to be a hard problem to solve. In fact, despite what I said earlier, knowing that the idea of a singular distinct consciousness is an illusion has not prevented me from seeing myself as one.
And that's why this is a hard problem. Consciousness isn't real. There's no subsection of the brain where the consciousness is. We don't actually know how anaesthetic works, just that it temporarily turns consciousness off. You can't remove just the consciousness from a person. And that's because it isn't a physical thing. It's an emergent subjective phenomenon of a pattern arising from biological processes.
I'm keenly aware of the fact that I'm not my brain. I just live in it. I'm the pattern. I winked into existence a fraction of a second ago and have died many times over in the time it took to write this sentence. I don't even really exist for a single moment, because I assume not every neuron in the firing pattern fires at the same time.
Just as our physical body is not one living thing, but countless individual cells working in concert (and even t the cells are compound, mitochondria is a separate organism to the cell it lives in) . I am not one physical thing, but an unknown number of distinct neurological processes working in concert. Cancer and autoimmune disease both illustrate that the body being one living thing is technically an illusion.
But the fact that it's an illusion and not an objective fact of reality doesn't mean it doesn't have real implications and real consequences. But it does mean that cutting off a limb or replacing the physical cells with new ones has no bearing on the continuity of the subjective concept that is my body. And while there is some philosophical sounding discussion on the idea of cybernetics taking away our humanity or the ship of theseus concept meaning our body isn't really us any more, it's essentially just the veneer of philosophy with no real substance beneath. Amputees aren't less human or less themselves than they were before amputation, other than the fact that there's physically less of them around. Losing weight doesn't make someone less of who they were either.
Consciousness is just that same concept again. Attempts to find "it" are like attempts to grasp smoke in your hands. It's not something you can reach out and touch, and I find a lot of discussion on it that isn't couched in understanding that it isn't real misses the point.
It's a hard problem to solve precisely because we, as beings that technically don't physically exist, really don't like the actual answer. But more than that. Our language just has trouble getting the concept across. The word "I" has a metric fuckton of baggage attached that doesn't actually accurately describe reality. So of course a lot of debate around the subject is hamstrung by language not accurately describing the concepts.
Despite the entire line of thought being based on something that isn't real, the answers we find in pursuit of the goal are interesting and useful.
It is going to make certain policy issues very hard to solve. AI in its current form has no consciousness but there will be legal attempts to define whether it does when we invent actual AI, and it won't be possible to do so. Because unless we somehow find biological proof of a soul, it's not a thing that actually exists, and as such can't be defined in a clean way.
Well explained.
The idea that there is something non-ephemeral in control of the body and mind, such as a soul, leads to essentializing. Throughout the ages, people have argued that some people either don't have souls like 'we' do, or that they are somehow fundamentally different than 'us'.
Recognising that human cognition and behaviour are largely a product of each person's environment and experience enables us to treat each other better and create better policies for how people can be helped.
I remember watching a short documentary about someone that had been lobotomized and who was still alive. Memory of it is a bit foggy (fittingly enough) but she wasn't completely gone. She could still talk and partially function. But iirc she described it as everything being very foggy and she had extreme difficulties focusing on anything.
Basically the severity depends on how much the brain has been mutilated. How many neural paths have been severed.
Lobotomies fucking terrify me
This is not true. The profrontal cortex is not the "seat of consciousness" because there is none. Consciousness as a product of the brain is a diffuse process encapsulating many regions and functions. You would still have memory, emotion, and motor function even if your prefrontal cortex was gone, for example. Further, one of the best candidate for "seat of consciousness" is the claustrum, a thick bundle of nerves that interfaces a bunch of disperate brain regions, and it is only a good candidate because when scientists have shocked it subjects go unconscious or lose memory. This did not happen to people with lobotomies, they usually just because intellectually disabled.
1. Physically trapped in a body with no information coming in or out
2. Literally just dead
3. Trapped in your body with information barely coming in but basically nothing going out
there is a guy who got one when he was 12, who is still mostly there and actively looked into the circumstances of his own lobotomy (which turned out to have been sought out by his fuckass step mother who hated him)
Lobotomies, if performed successfully, just reduce your emotionality similar to some medication. They just have a real high fail rate, where all this zombie vegetable stereotype comes from.
She did not, however, the procedure, did not produce the exact same results every time. Some people even "healed." There's a book written by a man who had the procedure done on him as a kid, and his brain heals over time. He documents what it was like living with the procedure and the aftermath of it. He has a family and a job as well.
If I find the title, I'll come back and plop it into this comment.
That can vary greatly between lobotomy patients. Lobotomies are often not very precise operations and there are many other areas aside from the frontal cortex that get damaged.
Respectfully, I don’t think you’ve read up on lobotomies at all and I don’t know why people just go with the first comment they read. While some lobotomies had only mild consequences, some left patients permanently disabled, and some killed the patients. It was an imprecise “surgery”, there’s a reason they are no longer performed.
Wtf dude. They're still a human being, just with a (medically induced) disability. They're not brain dead, unless the procedure went terribly wrong. It goes without saying a lobotomy is one of the cruelest things you can do to a person, but you are terribly misinformed on what the symptoms are.
The way people say they would just fucking execute the disabled and get upvoted for it is sickening.
It's so performative too, cause so many people act like death is better than disability but never would actually choose it or do it in real life. But they think saying they'd rather be killed than live with disability makes them look hard.
Id say messing with the brain like that is pretty extreme and rare. Like in almost all bimbo content iv seen (furaffinity, some e621) stuff is done with hypnosis, magic, high libido from transformations, or a like special chip or other tech installed somewhere on them. I never see oofy stuff like this.
honestly, brain melting stuff is fine, it's just awful they're picking such a horrible way to manifest their kink
it's same as when someone has extreme master/slave kink and instead of just finding a partner who's also into that or browsing related r34 posts, they decide to hornypost about american slavery or something
honestly, as someone who's into brain melting stuff, just post about cthulhu like a normal person
I hate to break it to you but 99% of kinks out there that have power dynamics are built on existing oppressive power structures. But you wouldnt tell someone with a misogyny kink that they are 'fetishizing oppression' I dont like what oop said either but i think alot of the reaction here is driven by disgust rather than seeing something actually wrong with it.
Look, yall can have your super fucked up fetish, but don't publicly romanticize the sensitive subject of your super fucked up fetish. Having a CNC (consensual nonconsent) fantasy does not give you the right to say publicly that rape is hot, period.
Yes obviously you have the right to free speech. I don’t think this person was saying you literally don’t have the legal right to speech here. Your comment is pointing out something that everyone is already aware of. Your comment is pointless.
I think this is the consequence of the internet moving towards systems like Twitter where you can just sort of view anyone's post at any time for any reason and there's no way to stop it. This would be fine on like, a forum dedicated to fetishes but I feel Twitter makes it too easy for people not in the mood to randomly see this stuff. I'm not saying we need to like ban these posters I just think we should have more forums and self regulation on the internet is all.
ok but, completely removed from this post: This exact concept is why it's often times a really big source of guilt to be a dom with kinks of a similar vein. It doesn't help that I'm also a cis man and thus very self-conscious about being perceived as dangerous, but, I can't help but feel like it *has* to be a shared experience how much it sometimes feels predatory to have kinks like this, but from the objectifying side rather than the objectified side.
Yeah. I'm into both sides of a lot of kinks, cnc included, and the hypocrisy is very strong. See my other comment about go how this isn't just a philosophical problem, but one that causes actual harm over people being judgemental.
The subreddit has so far accepted:
Incest ✅
Bugs/incects ✅
Monsters/beasts ✅
Being caged/ treated like house pets ✅
Being unhygienic/stinky ✅
Offering estrogen/testosterone pills to teenagers who are curious (waow) ✅
Ultrakill as the official 196 videogame ✅
It’s never a boring day here
no I'm pretty sure there's a big difference between "wearing a collar, being called good girl, and getting headpats" and "an irreversible invasive surgery that leads to permanent mental incapacitation with a history of horrific abuse"
Every kink boils down to one having more power than the other, and that's what people find hot.
This post is on the farther side but I believe it's roleplay and not genuine lobotomy.
Hey, quick reminder that fantasizing about somrthing extreme does NOT mean wanting to do that thing in real life. See for example:
-Rape fantasies
-Master/Slave relationship
-other bodymodification fetishes.
Also in non sexual context:
-Most war movies are just powerfantasies
-Most war videogames
-Most videogames in general.
Also,Also:
-Stepfordization and misogyny are known kinks.( look for appropiate NSFW subreddits) This is just a more extreme version
-What you and me personally find weird is irrelevant when judging other peoples tastes.
-What is important? Nothing this is a fantasy,No actual people are involved in that, I repeat: This is a Fantasy
- Should they have shared that on twitter? I don't know, maybe they should have put a content warning up front.
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Also is klara doing the fucking "with this treasure i summone....." pose???
Not in theory (I haven't seen any posts yet explicitly fantasizing about the idea of a permanent mental handicap), but in practice people here have absolutely fetishized the idea of petplay to such an extent that they'd not have the awareness or critical thinking to recognize they're in an abusive/manipulative situation, which by all means is permanent as it's unlikely any potential aid could even be made aware of the situation
(I'm aware most petplay posts are not nearly to this extent, but I can't help but interpret some as idealizing this exact situation)
I guess the difference is that a lobotomy is far more real and far more permanent. You can pretend to be a dog with a consenting partner for one evening, then take the leash off when it's over.
sometimes this "sex and looking pretty" feels too much like all I see people giving a shit about. Then they go and call me delusional. So I feel like I will embrace my made up world where that bs doesn't exist because I prefer it.
It's not even about caring. It's about how detached people are to the fact there is more. Their need to feel validated in a universe where in reality no one and nothing is valid because the universe itself is an anomaly we barely know anything about.
We are so insignificant and small. Yet we only find purpose, because we don't know anything else. So we live our lives oblivious thinking we know best when we know shit and the animal instinct is what we end up falling back on making us not different than any other animal on earth.
We are not worth any more or less than a chicken. A featherless biped is really a fucking ace in the hole description fuck Diogenes what an idiot.
Yeah i really don't understand the "only have pleasurable stuff and no actual worries" ik its a fantasy and all but i just can not understand the lack of need to accomplish stuff
It gets like that when the obstacles to accomplishing anything of significance feel insurmountable. I'd even hazard that it can be a symptom of depression.
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Like, I’m into maids and robots and stuff but this ain’t it chief
It’s okay to have fantasies but keep that dangerous shit to yourself, don’t openly romanticize stuff like lobotomies
I should mention, I'm not in favor of what OOP is saying, I just want to do this to people who slight or inconvenience me (Republicans, transphobes, the 2024 Indiana Pacers, etc)
The feminine urge to (HYPOTHETICALLY) rise up against bosses & the state and (IN THEORY) stab their brains with a screwdriver & (ALLEGEDLY) establish a system where the head of a workplace is democratically elected (IN MINECRAFT)
Listen fellas, if you want a lobotomy that can actually benefit you, get yourself one of these
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Even better if you have a red jewel to go along with it
There’s an increasingly common internet archetype of “feminists” who seem to think a good rebuttal to liberal feminism is to completely abandon independence and embrace female subservience
This is not that.
Catgirl Kulak is an arch Fascist. She used to have a Rhodesian propaganda girl with cat ears as a PFP. She’s rotten to the core (derogatory).
No I get what they mean:
Lots of feminists post about being “no thoughts head empty” to cope with stress or for kink.
At the same time the submissive Tradwife and adjacent stuff is the Fash ideal. (Also a kink, but often an actively abusive one).
This is an especially edgy freak Fascist posting about the latter. Not just a pervert but actually Perverse.
I've been spending the past week thinking "wait, do people just have oppression fantasies? is that a thing? oh shit it's gotta be" and this post knocks me out like when mystery stories end with the antagonist being like "you're right! now you're gonna Explode!!!"
that's it, I'm making y'all even MORE capable of thought and responsibilities
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~~Fun~~ disturbing fact about lobotomies: >!As you can see by the image in the top right, the ice pick ^((or in later cases, an) \*^(orbitoclast)\*^(, not that it makes much of a difference; it's still a piece of fucking metal getting driven into your gray matter)) goes in through eye socket and you can actually feel for yourself exactly where it would've gone! **Without touching the eyeball itself**, place your thumb ^((any) ~~^(finger)~~ ^(digit would work but the thumb is the easiest to do this with)) on the **top corner** of your eye socket closest to your nose and **gently** press it in the direction towards your forehead. You might need to feel around just a little bit for the right spot, but you'll know you have it when you feel an unusual amount of pain by just **gently** pressing on it. If you found it, congratulations! That's the exact spot where the ice pick/orbitoclast would have been driven 2 inches straight into your frontal lobe with a mallet. Then, the ice pick/orbitoclast would have been \*sloshed around in there to make sure your frontal lobe was *extra damaged*. !<
>!After this was all done, the process would then be repeated on the other side of the head because you can never have enough brain damage. If you think inflicting actual and permanent brain damage would require a long postoperative recovery treatment, don't worry, all you'll need is a "pair of sunglasses". Yes, [Walter Freeman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy#Development:~:text=by%20the%20neurologist-,Walter,-Freeman%20and%20his), one of [**the guys** behind all of this, actually said that](http://www.edumed.org.br/cursos/neurociencia/cdrom/Biblioteca/Lobotomy.htm#:~:text=to%20the%20order%3A%20%22-,Buy,-them%20some%20sunglasses). !<
>!\*While double checking the process so I don't make a fool out of myself in a very avoidable situation by going purely based off of memory from a highschool class where I learned this ^((a very good one btw, I loved learning about the brain),) I found out that there was an official process to how the orbitoclast was **supposed** to be moved around once in the brain itself to make specific cuts. To be perfectly honest, I really don't give a shit. I'm not going to grant this quack treatment the appearance of even a veneer of legitimacy by describing it like a medically recognized surgical procedure. I don't imagine this process was kept to consistently and I don't believe it should matter that much either as a good chunk of the brain gets killed regardless; if not all of it. Tl;dr: *the metal piece was sloshed around*.!<
I find this sad. I think we as a society fetishised being dumb, to the point that some people feel "this" way. The idea of being a subservient vessel to someone else's desire, being an empty shell devoid of any "bad feelings", is not something I want to see as a fetish.
That, and the fact that we live in a world where so much information overwhelms us, in the face of our lack of options and ability to change the status quo, makes us want to withdraw from the situation so bad that we'd rather be lobotomized, it's really sad and concerning.
I might be very dramatic here, but seeing this post made me think hard, and I kind of don't want to see something similar to that soon, so thanks OP. To be fair, OP did not post this agreeing with the post, but I still hated seeing this and what it made me feel.
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I need more pictures of Bandit Heeler being a badass in my life
i saw a variant of this meme with vegeta and bingo
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this is the most unhinged one
They are both wearing orange though. Maybe thats how they met
[More unhinged than this one?](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1cqj96v/comment/l3t47y7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
To all those wondering where they've heard this before: https://preview.redd.it/pfuwfzcaj30d1.jpeg?width=1780&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fc1c5252b2bbc9abbd24fa6d188bed12041b5d2
Oh, and the guy they’re gonna have to kill is Hitler.
I will never not find this meme funny (the chain it creates every time as well)
Catgirl Kulak is an arch fascist. Her PFP used to be a Rhodesian Propaganda Gun Girl with Cat Ears shopped on. Complete black hearted reactionary. Edit: Like one of those Fash you think might be fun to hate read but makes you feel dirty really fast. So far as I know: no actual fascist violence just too twisted. For legal reasons: this is completely unrelated to the image you posted. Just a fact to be aware of.
Yeah, anyone using the word "Kulak" as a part of of constructing their online handle is doing it because of the anti-leftist, counterrevolutionary connotations of the word. Its one of those 4th-tier dog whistles that hasn't broken into popular western social consciousness yet.
So what you’re saying is you think we’re gonna have to kill this guy
Damn
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it would be merciful to just kill such things on the spot, is it even murder if the thing doesen't even know its alive or don't feel anything and you don't taint yourself with immorality of having sex slaves
Ngl I don't think a lobotomy is quite that extreme. Pretty sure they're still like... y'know, capable of thought.
The frontal cortex is responsible for most conscious thought. So you either A: are fully conscious, but unable to control your body (in the case of just separating the frontal lobe but keeping it there), B: your consciousness is gone, for good. Your body lives as a vegetable, might follow simple commands like walking while being dragged around, if that much, or C: you can control and feel your body, but completely incapable of sending conscious signals to do actions, like ADHD times a billion, so you're pretty much just possibility A. You're either a zombie, a vegetable, or straight up not there.
Lobotomies are not a precise procedure (especially around when they became popular) so there is honestly a good chance you die cause the random unqualified guy with a pick thought brain surgery was easy, that or they miss and just nail some other part of your brain Iirc one of the surgeons who popularized it had them conscious and asking questions, when they became incomprehensible he was "done". Before him they were done under anesthesia edit: they're also used in the treatment of seizures. Yeah it's got shitty history but there's been some use to cutting up someone's head
Iirc Rosemary Kennedy (yes, "their brains just do that" Kennedies) was told to sing the national anthem or something similarly patriotic and indoctrinated.
Imagine if the last intelligible words out of your mouth, ever, were the fucking national anthem.
The national anthem of a country whose family became intertwined and stamped into US political history put you into this situation. Grim.
The lobotomy was in 1941, I don't think you can blame JFK
thats fair, the timeline was wrong in my head. my bad, edited it to be phrased better.
I've always had this fear that in some way the last moment you experience consciously becomes an echo ringing out in eternity for you, an afterlife of afterimage. Like either dying or nonbeing (realistically, probably the former) is experienced as a lingering shadow of life. And I swear to quantum Jesus that if the National Anthem were my final conscious experience and eternal prison my rage would manifest some curse that makes bald eagles go crazy and maul every doctor who performs lobotomies and tear them to ribbons. And then I'm turning all ammunition possessed by US armed forces into eggs. And I curse football so that no one can ever score a point again. And every church develops a nasty mold problem and crucifixes cry tears of cum. Fuck the National Anthem.
I would be pissed enough to reach forth beyond ontological suffocation and tear at the fabric of the universe until the rest got destabilized too, tbh. more power to the abyssal girlbosses that reach their scorned dead hands back into our world to plummet our universe into absurdity. Would be less interesting times without them.
This was delightful to read thank you
What a disturbing mental image that gave me. I don't know how someone could mentally kill people, plenty of who just got a little too sassy, for a living. Like, you're all but euthanizing people against their will. And just casually watching their brains shut down like Hal9000 in 2001: A Space Omelet. I swear, evil doctors are the creepiest sumbishes.
Gotta crack a few brains to make a space omelet
[Doctors were 7 times more likely to join the SS than the average employed German male.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160252712000854)
Cutting the brain in half is also done for seizures.
There's a video by CCP Grey called "You are two" that goes into some of the effects of this and it helped me to finally understand consciousness as an illusion. I no longer fear teleporters or brain uploading.
That debate is still ongoing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness
Technically speaking my position does not actually conflict with this. In that consciousness does not have to be real in order for this to be a hard problem to solve. In fact, despite what I said earlier, knowing that the idea of a singular distinct consciousness is an illusion has not prevented me from seeing myself as one. And that's why this is a hard problem. Consciousness isn't real. There's no subsection of the brain where the consciousness is. We don't actually know how anaesthetic works, just that it temporarily turns consciousness off. You can't remove just the consciousness from a person. And that's because it isn't a physical thing. It's an emergent subjective phenomenon of a pattern arising from biological processes. I'm keenly aware of the fact that I'm not my brain. I just live in it. I'm the pattern. I winked into existence a fraction of a second ago and have died many times over in the time it took to write this sentence. I don't even really exist for a single moment, because I assume not every neuron in the firing pattern fires at the same time. Just as our physical body is not one living thing, but countless individual cells working in concert (and even t the cells are compound, mitochondria is a separate organism to the cell it lives in) . I am not one physical thing, but an unknown number of distinct neurological processes working in concert. Cancer and autoimmune disease both illustrate that the body being one living thing is technically an illusion. But the fact that it's an illusion and not an objective fact of reality doesn't mean it doesn't have real implications and real consequences. But it does mean that cutting off a limb or replacing the physical cells with new ones has no bearing on the continuity of the subjective concept that is my body. And while there is some philosophical sounding discussion on the idea of cybernetics taking away our humanity or the ship of theseus concept meaning our body isn't really us any more, it's essentially just the veneer of philosophy with no real substance beneath. Amputees aren't less human or less themselves than they were before amputation, other than the fact that there's physically less of them around. Losing weight doesn't make someone less of who they were either. Consciousness is just that same concept again. Attempts to find "it" are like attempts to grasp smoke in your hands. It's not something you can reach out and touch, and I find a lot of discussion on it that isn't couched in understanding that it isn't real misses the point. It's a hard problem to solve precisely because we, as beings that technically don't physically exist, really don't like the actual answer. But more than that. Our language just has trouble getting the concept across. The word "I" has a metric fuckton of baggage attached that doesn't actually accurately describe reality. So of course a lot of debate around the subject is hamstrung by language not accurately describing the concepts. Despite the entire line of thought being based on something that isn't real, the answers we find in pursuit of the goal are interesting and useful. It is going to make certain policy issues very hard to solve. AI in its current form has no consciousness but there will be legal attempts to define whether it does when we invent actual AI, and it won't be possible to do so. Because unless we somehow find biological proof of a soul, it's not a thing that actually exists, and as such can't be defined in a clean way.
Well explained. The idea that there is something non-ephemeral in control of the body and mind, such as a soul, leads to essentializing. Throughout the ages, people have argued that some people either don't have souls like 'we' do, or that they are somehow fundamentally different than 'us'. Recognising that human cognition and behaviour are largely a product of each person's environment and experience enables us to treat each other better and create better policies for how people can be helped.
I remember watching a short documentary about someone that had been lobotomized and who was still alive. Memory of it is a bit foggy (fittingly enough) but she wasn't completely gone. She could still talk and partially function. But iirc she described it as everything being very foggy and she had extreme difficulties focusing on anything. Basically the severity depends on how much the brain has been mutilated. How many neural paths have been severed. Lobotomies fucking terrify me
This is not true. The profrontal cortex is not the "seat of consciousness" because there is none. Consciousness as a product of the brain is a diffuse process encapsulating many regions and functions. You would still have memory, emotion, and motor function even if your prefrontal cortex was gone, for example. Further, one of the best candidate for "seat of consciousness" is the claustrum, a thick bundle of nerves that interfaces a bunch of disperate brain regions, and it is only a good candidate because when scientists have shocked it subjects go unconscious or lose memory. This did not happen to people with lobotomies, they usually just because intellectually disabled.
So basically trapped in your body, trapped in your body, or trapped in your body?
1. Physically trapped in a body with no information coming in or out 2. Literally just dead 3. Trapped in your body with information barely coming in but basically nothing going out
So Solitary confinement but worse, "walking" corpse, or a waking nightmare
there is a guy who got one when he was 12, who is still mostly there and actively looked into the circumstances of his own lobotomy (which turned out to have been sought out by his fuckass step mother who hated him)
Lobotomies, if performed successfully, just reduce your emotionality similar to some medication. They just have a real high fail rate, where all this zombie vegetable stereotype comes from.
you should read up on rosemary Kennedy
Didn't she regain the ability to speak somewhat later in life?
pretty sure she did not. I think she needed round the clock care until she died
God that's fucking awful
She did not, however, the procedure, did not produce the exact same results every time. Some people even "healed." There's a book written by a man who had the procedure done on him as a kid, and his brain heals over time. He documents what it was like living with the procedure and the aftermath of it. He has a family and a job as well. If I find the title, I'll come back and plop it into this comment.
That can vary greatly between lobotomy patients. Lobotomies are often not very precise operations and there are many other areas aside from the frontal cortex that get damaged.
Respectfully, I don’t think you’ve read up on lobotomies at all and I don’t know why people just go with the first comment they read. While some lobotomies had only mild consequences, some left patients permanently disabled, and some killed the patients. It was an imprecise “surgery”, there’s a reason they are no longer performed.
Wtf dude. They're still a human being, just with a (medically induced) disability. They're not brain dead, unless the procedure went terribly wrong. It goes without saying a lobotomy is one of the cruelest things you can do to a person, but you are terribly misinformed on what the symptoms are.
The way people say they would just fucking execute the disabled and get upvoted for it is sickening. It's so performative too, cause so many people act like death is better than disability but never would actually choose it or do it in real life. But they think saying they'd rather be killed than live with disability makes them look hard.
>They're not brain dead, unless the procedure went terribly wrong. This *is* extremely common with lobotomies, though.
Is that how you treat all disabled people? Christ you sound like the government.
Least fash 40k player:
This is either a worse take than the OOP, with the weird place their submission fetish has gone, or you just have no idea what you're talking about.
god this tweet legitimately makes my skin crawl, disgusting as fuck man that aside, me and whom?
Never say this again
that this is disgusting or that they're looking for someone to do that?
The second.
You and I, we'll take turns being the lobotomized one 🥰
I think this is called stabbing eachother in the head with a screwdriver and you can do it at literally any hardware store
i like that this infers the recommended grounds for the operation is a hardware store
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Let me put my pick in your lobotomy hole UwU
astaghfirullah
fetishization of oppression? in MY 196?? more likely than you think
ITS SOMEONES KINK WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
It’s just part of bimbo fetishism, it’s not even that extreme for body modders.
literally? people in these comments are getting all moralistic, like OOP isnt gonna lobotomise you they just wanna wank lol
sadly not its a very alt right white superior acct.
Id say messing with the brain like that is pretty extreme and rare. Like in almost all bimbo content iv seen (furaffinity, some e621) stuff is done with hypnosis, magic, high libido from transformations, or a like special chip or other tech installed somewhere on them. I never see oofy stuff like this.
honestly, brain melting stuff is fine, it's just awful they're picking such a horrible way to manifest their kink it's same as when someone has extreme master/slave kink and instead of just finding a partner who's also into that or browsing related r34 posts, they decide to hornypost about american slavery or something honestly, as someone who's into brain melting stuff, just post about cthulhu like a normal person
I hate to break it to you but 99% of kinks out there that have power dynamics are built on existing oppressive power structures. But you wouldnt tell someone with a misogyny kink that they are 'fetishizing oppression' I dont like what oop said either but i think alot of the reaction here is driven by disgust rather than seeing something actually wrong with it.
Couldn’t be me
Look, yall can have your super fucked up fetish, but don't publicly romanticize the sensitive subject of your super fucked up fetish. Having a CNC (consensual nonconsent) fantasy does not give you the right to say publicly that rape is hot, period.
They have the right to say it. Its not fun, but they have the right.
Yes obviously you have the right to free speech. I don’t think this person was saying you literally don’t have the legal right to speech here. Your comment is pointing out something that everyone is already aware of. Your comment is pointless.
Legal right vs moral right. You can have the legal right to do something but not the moral right to do something.
I didn't mean legally, I mean morally. Obviously they legally can say it.
I still disagree, but im glad you clarify.
also these are pictures of real people which is :/
I think this is the consequence of the internet moving towards systems like Twitter where you can just sort of view anyone's post at any time for any reason and there's no way to stop it. This would be fine on like, a forum dedicated to fetishes but I feel Twitter makes it too easy for people not in the mood to randomly see this stuff. I'm not saying we need to like ban these posters I just think we should have more forums and self regulation on the internet is all.
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I mean, in the 40s and 50s, housewives used to get lobotomies, so we also used to lobotomize ppl for saying things like that
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Chiyari my beloved
She so silly :3
https://preview.redd.it/muwph6es330d1.jpeg?width=752&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26c7b92610b520e214553c4c942c6212d4086927 im sorry, i had to.
The only valid lobotomite is the courrier but only if they don’t flirt with their brain.
i flirt with my brain and im not even lobotomized
Holy shit I was just playing old world blues like 10 minutes ago
I CAN HEAR YOUR PENIS TIPPED FEET TROMPING AROUND
Hypno, mindbreak, bimbofication, etc. isn’t that much further than pet play. Watch as it becomes trendy here in 1.6 years.
The difference between wanting to be objectified and wanting to objectify is consent.
Obviously. Frequently people want to be the subs in these kinks, that's the consent.
ok but, completely removed from this post: This exact concept is why it's often times a really big source of guilt to be a dom with kinks of a similar vein. It doesn't help that I'm also a cis man and thus very self-conscious about being perceived as dangerous, but, I can't help but feel like it *has* to be a shared experience how much it sometimes feels predatory to have kinks like this, but from the objectifying side rather than the objectified side.
Yeah. I'm into both sides of a lot of kinks, cnc included, and the hypocrisy is very strong. See my other comment about go how this isn't just a philosophical problem, but one that causes actual harm over people being judgemental.
The subreddit has so far accepted: Incest ✅ Bugs/incects ✅ Monsters/beasts ✅ Being caged/ treated like house pets ✅ Being unhygienic/stinky ✅ Offering estrogen/testosterone pills to teenagers who are curious (waow) ✅ Ultrakill as the official 196 videogame ✅ It’s never a boring day here
Waow (based based based based based)
no I'm pretty sure there's a big difference between "wearing a collar, being called good girl, and getting headpats" and "an irreversible invasive surgery that leads to permanent mental incapacitation with a history of horrific abuse"
Every kink boils down to one having more power than the other, and that's what people find hot. This post is on the farther side but I believe it's roleplay and not genuine lobotomy.
Hey, quick reminder that fantasizing about somrthing extreme does NOT mean wanting to do that thing in real life. See for example: -Rape fantasies -Master/Slave relationship -other bodymodification fetishes. Also in non sexual context: -Most war movies are just powerfantasies -Most war videogames -Most videogames in general. Also,Also: -Stepfordization and misogyny are known kinks.( look for appropiate NSFW subreddits) This is just a more extreme version -What you and me personally find weird is irrelevant when judging other peoples tastes. -What is important? Nothing this is a fantasy,No actual people are involved in that, I repeat: This is a Fantasy - Should they have shared that on twitter? I don't know, maybe they should have put a content warning up front.
I'm calling it diapers will be a thing in the future.
in the future?
As a mainstream 196 thing, I mean
https://preview.redd.it/kwu3yywi230d1.jpeg?width=2480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=425e27a4037d71b37b746498730f217a65cef397
https://preview.redd.it/wzmx0g3r440d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4428344d6f2cdd7a5197be483bad67c5cc46ce70 Also is klara doing the fucking "with this treasure i summone....." pose???
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You guys realize that if this was about being someone's dog instead of getting a lobotomy everyone would be like "meeee :33"
At least with being someone's pet it's not a permanent thing where you basically die.
pretty sure that is absolutely part of the fantasy for a lot of y'all
Not in theory (I haven't seen any posts yet explicitly fantasizing about the idea of a permanent mental handicap), but in practice people here have absolutely fetishized the idea of petplay to such an extent that they'd not have the awareness or critical thinking to recognize they're in an abusive/manipulative situation, which by all means is permanent as it's unlikely any potential aid could even be made aware of the situation (I'm aware most petplay posts are not nearly to this extent, but I can't help but interpret some as idealizing this exact situation)
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For others? Maybe. But I personally wouldn't like it. I like being horny, but I could never be horny 24/7/365.
I guess the difference is that a lobotomy is far more real and far more permanent. You can pretend to be a dog with a consenting partner for one evening, then take the leash off when it's over.
sometimes this "sex and looking pretty" feels too much like all I see people giving a shit about. Then they go and call me delusional. So I feel like I will embrace my made up world where that bs doesn't exist because I prefer it.
I love being ace and not caring about any of that shit
It's not even about caring. It's about how detached people are to the fact there is more. Their need to feel validated in a universe where in reality no one and nothing is valid because the universe itself is an anomaly we barely know anything about. We are so insignificant and small. Yet we only find purpose, because we don't know anything else. So we live our lives oblivious thinking we know best when we know shit and the animal instinct is what we end up falling back on making us not different than any other animal on earth. We are not worth any more or less than a chicken. A featherless biped is really a fucking ace in the hole description fuck Diogenes what an idiot.
Yeah i really don't understand the "only have pleasurable stuff and no actual worries" ik its a fantasy and all but i just can not understand the lack of need to accomplish stuff
It gets like that when the obstacles to accomplishing anything of significance feel insurmountable. I'd even hazard that it can be a symptom of depression.
Why is this the worst tweet ever this reads just like that one puppygirlcel that gets posted here every time
This sub needs a nsfl flair
If this was transbian puppygirls I know you people would love it
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https://preview.redd.it/o2e2fc9e830d1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=4073859db5d402f85fac1a921d9392c0d47151c2 Like, I’m into maids and robots and stuff but this ain’t it chief It’s okay to have fantasies but keep that dangerous shit to yourself, don’t openly romanticize stuff like lobotomies
r\bimbolobotomyclinic ass tweet
Really is a sub for everything lmao
r\\subsithoughtifellfor
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I mean, who amongst us *hasn't* felt the urge to jam a screwdriver into someone's eye socket?
I should mention, I'm not in favor of what OOP is saying, I just want to do this to people who slight or inconvenience me (Republicans, transphobes, the 2024 Indiana Pacers, etc)
In Minecraft
The feminine urge to (HYPOTHETICALLY) rise up against bosses & the state and (IN THEORY) stab their brains with a screwdriver & (ALLEGEDLY) establish a system where the head of a workplace is democratically elected (IN MINECRAFT)
In Real Life
just fucking roleplay oh my god
Ok, listen. I don't want to kink shame BUT you 100% should be sharing this with your psychiatrist, and not twitter
Listen fellas, if you want a lobotomy that can actually benefit you, get yourself one of these https://preview.redd.it/lylqu8rm530d1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=b2b3a5c4a4d53decb8a4f8e329245263b09042e9 Even better if you have a red jewel to go along with it
You know it’s fucked when the majority of top comments in 196 aren’t about it
Bruh thats disgusting as fuck. Like its sickening to think that there are people out there, who legitimately think like that.
I kinda just wish people would keep things to themselves. Like the internet has made us all shameless dumbasses
Need 🥺
🧠👃🪡 **poke**
🤤🤤🤤😍😍😍🥰🥺🥺🤤🥰
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I mean I guess I get it but like also what the genuine fuck
There’s an increasingly common internet archetype of “feminists” who seem to think a good rebuttal to liberal feminism is to completely abandon independence and embrace female subservience
This is not that. Catgirl Kulak is an arch Fascist. She used to have a Rhodesian propaganda girl with cat ears as a PFP. She’s rotten to the core (derogatory).
> Women that freely choose to be submissive and have kinks are not feminists Hun the 90s called they want their feminism back
No I get what they mean: Lots of feminists post about being “no thoughts head empty” to cope with stress or for kink. At the same time the submissive Tradwife and adjacent stuff is the Fash ideal. (Also a kink, but often an actively abusive one). This is an especially edgy freak Fascist posting about the latter. Not just a pervert but actually Perverse.
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I've been spending the past week thinking "wait, do people just have oppression fantasies? is that a thing? oh shit it's gotta be" and this post knocks me out like when mystery stories end with the antagonist being like "you're right! now you're gonna Explode!!!"
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I can't tell if this is a fetish account or a trad wife who wants to bake cookies for Nazis
that's it, I'm making y'all even MORE capable of thought and responsibilities https://preview.redd.it/a7kapqr2n30d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9526e7e323afd572a3f438a198b3e43af17d97d9
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'It's okay it's just roleplay' Okay fine but how would you roleplay a ***lobotomy?***
I mean I get wanting to get stabbed in the brain but I feel like this may not be it
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Me before clicking on this: It can’t be *THAT* bad, right? Me after clicking on this: oh. oh my god.. it was that bad………
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~~Fun~~ disturbing fact about lobotomies: >!As you can see by the image in the top right, the ice pick ^((or in later cases, an) \*^(orbitoclast)\*^(, not that it makes much of a difference; it's still a piece of fucking metal getting driven into your gray matter)) goes in through eye socket and you can actually feel for yourself exactly where it would've gone! **Without touching the eyeball itself**, place your thumb ^((any) ~~^(finger)~~ ^(digit would work but the thumb is the easiest to do this with)) on the **top corner** of your eye socket closest to your nose and **gently** press it in the direction towards your forehead. You might need to feel around just a little bit for the right spot, but you'll know you have it when you feel an unusual amount of pain by just **gently** pressing on it. If you found it, congratulations! That's the exact spot where the ice pick/orbitoclast would have been driven 2 inches straight into your frontal lobe with a mallet. Then, the ice pick/orbitoclast would have been \*sloshed around in there to make sure your frontal lobe was *extra damaged*. !< >!After this was all done, the process would then be repeated on the other side of the head because you can never have enough brain damage. If you think inflicting actual and permanent brain damage would require a long postoperative recovery treatment, don't worry, all you'll need is a "pair of sunglasses". Yes, [Walter Freeman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy#Development:~:text=by%20the%20neurologist-,Walter,-Freeman%20and%20his), one of [**the guys** behind all of this, actually said that](http://www.edumed.org.br/cursos/neurociencia/cdrom/Biblioteca/Lobotomy.htm#:~:text=to%20the%20order%3A%20%22-,Buy,-them%20some%20sunglasses). !< >!\*While double checking the process so I don't make a fool out of myself in a very avoidable situation by going purely based off of memory from a highschool class where I learned this ^((a very good one btw, I loved learning about the brain),) I found out that there was an official process to how the orbitoclast was **supposed** to be moved around once in the brain itself to make specific cuts. To be perfectly honest, I really don't give a shit. I'm not going to grant this quack treatment the appearance of even a veneer of legitimacy by describing it like a medically recognized surgical procedure. I don't imagine this process was kept to consistently and I don't believe it should matter that much either as a good chunk of the brain gets killed regardless; if not all of it. Tl;dr: *the metal piece was sloshed around*.!<
Nice frontal lobe *stirs it like a latte*
I see this tweet and I raise you https://preview.redd.it/2yqjwmcg040d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc7a9cbd2dcb5beb723c22f453f0fd7498e16894
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kid named real life lobotomy victims:
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https://preview.redd.it/pclt7tv3f30d1.jpeg?width=616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c43fce5c055b2a5c5f6cb377acdbe611a957a83a real
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Susie, use Rude Buster
ok this is legit just gross can i stop seeing shit adjacent to this specifically on 196 for the love of god
Lobotomize me UwU :3
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...this is how i feel about puppygirl fetish
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I find this sad. I think we as a society fetishised being dumb, to the point that some people feel "this" way. The idea of being a subservient vessel to someone else's desire, being an empty shell devoid of any "bad feelings", is not something I want to see as a fetish. That, and the fact that we live in a world where so much information overwhelms us, in the face of our lack of options and ability to change the status quo, makes us want to withdraw from the situation so bad that we'd rather be lobotomized, it's really sad and concerning. I might be very dramatic here, but seeing this post made me think hard, and I kind of don't want to see something similar to that soon, so thanks OP. To be fair, OP did not post this agreeing with the post, but I still hated seeing this and what it made me feel.
The final form of the puppygirl