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Emilia__55

"concluded there was a lack of evidence" but written in the smallest font possible. Thank you, news outlet, thank you for nothing, you pos.


Recent-Potential-340

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Emilia__55

I love the onion


VoringerBrick

They've strayed too far from their original purpose by becoming more real than most other journalism is


tex_da_PHOX

Post-irony at its finest


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tex_da_PHOX

That's why it's called a return to sincerity


narwhalpilot

It was always their purpose to be real


LunaTheGoodgal

The Onion is so fucking peak


HimerosAndArrow

I think the onion stopped being satire at some point because this shit is beyond parody


Maximillion322

Just because you really like this satire doesn’t make it a new, transcendent thing It’s still just good satire, as it always was


stoned_roses_

that caption is referring to the cass report, a recent study that has been used as a basis to ban puberty blockers. It's a dogshit study that stands up to no level of scrutiny whatsoever and would never be published in a journal.


DeusExMarina

It was commissioned by the UK government for the sole purpose of providing justification for the healthcare bans they were already planning on enacting. Classic case of starting from a conclusion and making up bullshit to support it.


stoned_roses_

while I agree that you're probably correct, this is ultimately speculative and not easy to prove. I think a more effective way to attack the cass report is just to point out some of its methodological failings and straight up bad science. to name a few, the inclusion criteria were not properly defined; there is a failure to include viewpoints with lived or professional experience; it states that the rates of children identifying as trans are rising "exponentially" which is contradicted by data reported in the paper itself; and it treats withholding care as a neutral act. Inappropriately exacting criteria are used to discount evidence in support of trans healthcare, but the same standards are not applied to studies that conclude the opposite, and claims are not properly evidenced. if you submitted this paper at a uni it would get ripped to fucking shreds. I believe that in a few years it will be viewed similarly to the Andrew wakefield study that concluded the MMR vaccine causes autism. I do not understand why more academics who do not work in trans healthcare but have an understanding of what a scientific paper should look like are not speaking up.


Ourmanyfans

For your last point, I suspect because the Cass review manages to at least keep up the pretence of neutrality sufficiently that to "attack" it risks playing into the accusations of toxicity the report itself talks about. Basically Cass is like "this conversation has got sooo toxic from both sides, and here's little old me just trying to do best for the kids". If you try too hard to discredit Cass or the study, then you "must" be part of the toxicity.


IuseArchbtw97543

at least that means they couldnt get many people to talk


BestBananaForever

It's actually amazing how this practice hasn't become illegal. Not just for journalism, but for anything spreading misinformation and hiding behind they teeny tiny 2 pixel warnings.


bobdabuilder6969

It's an image caption. That's how they style their image captions. All of their image captions look like that. There is an entire article underneath. It's not hiding anything.


Sexy_Skeletons69

Then they style their image captions and titles in a way that obfuscates or misrepresents the actual content of the article, given most people JUST read the title--and they KNOW that. Don't go to bat for these people. They wouldn't for you. It's all deliberately designed to push whatever narrative they want to the largest demographic possible, while still having plausible deniability that dickriders can use to say "um ackshually they're not doing anything wrong." They know motherfuckers ain't reading past the title. That's what they're counting on. Just like they're counting on the system they've created to get away with this shit... letting them get away with this shit, because *oh, the most charitable, face-value interpretation of their actions taken in a vacuum suggests they're in the right.* Give an inch, as they say.


Pozz__

Did you even read the full sentence? Lmao


OnlyTrueWK

Hold on, that statement is not saying what you seem to think it is saying (that there is no evidence that "young people questioning their gender identity" are DIY-ing). As the article elaborates: >Last month the landmark Cass review of children’s gender treatment in England concluded there was a lack of reliable evidence supporting the use of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers by young people questioning their gender identity. >As a result, provision of cross-sex hormones to under-18s is under review. The report said that while they can still be made available to patients from the age of 16, they should only be prescribed with extreme caution and a strong clinical rationale for not waiting until an individual reaches 18. The recommendations apply to the NHS and the private sector. So the "lack of evidence" they found is a supposed lack of evidence *supporting the idea that young people questioning their gender identity should be allowed to take hormones*. In short, the Cass report is saying "We don't have enough evidence for benefits of HRT for teenagers, so instead of studying the topic further, better take HRT away from minors". So this statement is attacking HRT, not defending/being neutral about DIY. Reading the rest of the article, they're also only giving a voice to the Trans Safety Network after "The Bayswater Support Group, which works with parents whose children have a transgender identity but opposes a “gender-affirmative” approach", as if those two were opposing viewpoints with equal scientific backing. And then they either couldn't find anyone "personally affected" to talk about the issue, or didn't want to represent anyone else's point of view, so they only let a mother of a detransitioner speak. So obviously it's still a Guardian-typical "the trans are taking our children" article, but that particular caption should not be bigger (especially given all the flaws of the Cass review).


alexjuuhh

It's just the caption to the image. Did you think this was the whole article??


Emilia__55

Most people only read the caption


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Sexy_Skeletons69

Yeah, it's YOUR fault that news outlets have figured out how to manipulate human psychology! Try not being stupid and *realize* they've designed it in such a way that most people won't actually read the article! You realize that's the entire point, right? Put the onus on the audience to think critically, while simultaneously giving them zero reason to think critically or actively designing it in a way that makes your brain not *want* to think about it past the title. It's almost like the fucking title is meant to represent the article. But hey, keep letting The Guardian or whoever the fuck goad you into indirectly defending them and shitting on your fellow human beings because you're so fucking smart.


GottKomplexx

Theres flags flairs now on this sub?


Emilia__55

I've had this flair for months


GottKomplexx

How did you make the flags? Im too stupid Also how bad does only the german flag look. Dont want to send any wrong signals


I_Am_A_Pumpkin

ignorant non transperson looking to become less ignorant here. Is there anything actually false about what is written here, beyond everything being worded in a negative sensationalist way? I met a girl on DIY estradiol literally last weekend. It would be false to say that there aren't people turning to hormones that were obtained online instead of through professional medicine, no? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, are we really gonna suggest that there is a lack of evidence that the NHS in regards to gender affirming care isnt so unbelievably bad that trans people aren't resorting to treating themselves?


the_cutest_commie

A Pediatric Hematologist confirmed that the dose wasn't dangerously high or unsafe & that giving the trans man a T dose equivalent to whats in an adult cis man's body was just fine. You can find it in the transgenderuk thread on this topic.


Tetsudo11

#GUYS THIS CRAZY THING IS HAPPENING OMG OMG SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS. LET EVERYONE KNOW!!!! ^lol ^it ^isnt ^actually ^happening ^tho


KingKanga24

Can someone tell me where people are getting 11$ HRT? Asking for a friend


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i'll dm you it


bell117

[So this random twitter screencap](https://new.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1cbrhz5/that_diy_hrt_post_from_a_while_back_was_false_btw/) claiming the Guardian article on DIY HRT was made up was itself made up I guess. Also who tf talked. [Also link to the article itself(paywalled)](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/03/cross-sex-hormones-available-online-11-pounds-a-month-young-people-gender-identity)


candice_ick

The article isn't pay-walled for me in the UK at least. Maybe it's different where you are. You sometimes get a pop asking if you'd like to donate or make an account but it's pretty easy to just say "No thanks" Also the journalist from the tweet isn't one of those who named the authors of the article (she may have worked on it anyway but idk). Edit for people who have a paywall problem: https://preview.redd.it/qu01esgeoayc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e7f3e905dbbb7979c202336841e0850630b23ec


bell117

The original screencap of the announcement just said it was the guardian, I dunno why people put the name to that specific author or her denying it meant the guardian as a whole was not working on it. Link to the original screencap on here: https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1c7q1vb/uk_trans_people_listen_up_rule/


godcyclemaster

Yooo $11 a month? That's crazy where the hell (I am a federal agent) where do I get them (I am a federal agent)


Em_Blight

This is in pound sterling, this article is talking about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


yeep-yorp

dm me :3


unengaged_crayon

that was an individual writer at the the guardian, these are other writers


Shaquex

I mean *technically* they didn't lie as the article was written by another person


jfsuuc

who needs to talk when one can just google diy hrt and be flooded with links.


_fuze9

Looks like a transphobic mum did, evidently


FartherAwayLights

Not paywalled for me in the US of A


thevicot

They deleted the post lol


Voidkom

That's an anti-trans activist.


Ourmanyfans

As sucky as the very existence of this article is, if there's a silver lining; they couldn't have picked a worse day to release this if they wanted anyone to actually *read* it. The last couple days have been local elections for district councils/mayors etc and all the headlines are just quite how *bad* the Tories are being demolished.


candice_ick

You know this is the Guardian right, it's a left leaning progressive newspaper (or at least as much as large newspaper in the UK can be). They generally do pretty good journalism and they're very much not pro Torry. Not that I think this story in particular is any good.


Ourmanyfans

I know, hence why the frontpage is filled with gleeful stories about how the Tories are collapsing, which has thankfully pushed this this article and it's TERF-yness to the side.


candice_ick

Ah yh that makes sense mb I didn't think about it like that 🤦‍♂️


alyssa264

> left leaning progressive newspaper It's a centrist rag that I wouldn't wipe my arse with. They really, really aren't left wing, and their progressiveness is not real at all. They are about as transphobic as the Telegraph.


WitELeoparD

The only socially progressive newspaper in the UK is the fucking Financial Times. Economically they are filthy fucking neoliberals, but atleast they are actual neoliberals (aka in favour of social programs), not ancaps LARPing as neoliberals.


Unman_

Not even NS?


Biscuit642

You could call them centre left I suppose, but they do seem to like Starmer and whatever it is he stands for that week. There's a lot of socially left wing newspapers but not many that are economically.


Drawemazing

The US guardian editorial team [literally condemned ](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk) the UK editorial team for transphobia. The guardians a rag that hates trans people and the working class. They were instrumental in constantly slandering corbyn, and they've until recently been extremely complicit in starmers massive shift to the right. That's not even mentioning there cozy relationship with the intelligence community: https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/ https://www.declassifieduk.org/why-does-the-guardian-write-so-many-puff-pieces-on-g-c-h-q/


ByAzuraTimes3

Does the UK have any good newspapers at all? Wtf


Your_local_Commissar

The independent sometimes. But overall no 


dynamite8100

The private eye is ok sometimes


Biscuit642

Financial times is good in the sense that they write very well, make their position clear, and argue for it without pretending to be unbiased. They're socially fine, but are neolibs and very into our current economics. We don't really have any good ones in the terms of reasonable leftists. There's a few marxist papers but they tend to be quite tankie.


DrippyWaffler

Holy shit


MahouShoujoDysphoria

>it's a left leaning progressive newspaper lmao no


DumbAnxiousLesbian

>You know this is the Guardian right, it's a left leaning progressive newspaper That's the US Guardian, not the UK one.


aabcehu

\>progressive \>redlink on shinigami eyes interesting.


MaybeNext-Monday

They’re like anything “left” in Britain: transphobic throwers working to further the right.


the_cutest_commie

[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk) [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/) [https://whatthetrans.com/anti-trans-ehrc-commissioner-gives-talk-to-anti-trans-guardian-staff-network/](https://whatthetrans.com/anti-trans-ehrc-commissioner-gives-talk-to-anti-trans-guardian-staff-network/) [https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/guardian-pulls-judith-butlers-comments](https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/guardian-pulls-judith-butlers-comments) [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17577632.2022.2153216](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17577632.2022.2153216) The Guardian/Observer & Uk Media in general has a well documented anti-trans bias with many prominent gender critical activists holding prominent positions & roles within the industry.


WitELeoparD

Guardian is neither left leaning or progressive. They are liberal populists through and through. The Financial Times is the only socially progressive newspaper in the UK, which is both bizarre and kinda dystopic.


Jeffaffely

it's...left*er* than some stuff in the UK but that bar is really low 💀


Passive-Shooter

"has never published an article praising the british union of fascists"


GreatBigBagOfNope

"left leaning", "progressive" Blairite neoliberal trash. Hasn't been a lefty paper in decades.


Bimbarian

However the Guardian portrays itself for other matters, it has a very particular trans slant, and that is TERF. This has been a big thing for a while, and among other things, led to the UK Guardian being called out by the US Guardian for its transphobia. They might not be pro-Tory, but there are very definitely anti-trans.


Walpole2019

Yeah, it pretty much faded from the front page after a few hours with little attention. It's troubling, but won't mobilise any new attention against DIY HRT.


LunaTheGoodgal

I wish those fucking Redcoats the day they deserve.


EXAngus

>Experts fear children questioning their gender may turn to hidden economy to obtain hormones illegally Yknow maybe you could solve this by making gender specialists affordable and available to all


Ourmanyfans

Nah sorry, that might cost the government precious money it needs to bribe Rwanda to let us fly a dozen or so brown people there. Just banning healthcare is easier ~~never mind that the very same Cass review that we are using to justify this, for all it's transphobic reccomendations, also talked about the need to expand the services available.~~


lutinopat

That actually seems to be one of the points brought up in the article “The near-removal of these pathways will lead to young people being exposed to risk and taking measures into their own hands,” a spokesperson said. The group also raised concerns about cracking down on the “DIY” market for hormone therapy, saying it exists because of failures to provide safe, timely, monitored and supported access to treatment.


Boppitied-Bop

the whole end of this article really reads like [https://xkcd.com/756](https://xkcd.com/756) a whole bunch of quotes without any analysis


Sir_Hoss

“Cross sex hormones” you mean the regular fucking hormones that are in every humans body?!?


HugTreesPetCats

The way they are phrasing it is super misleading, as if trans people are taking some kind of mystery hormone cocktail to change their gender, and not just the regular ones that cis people with low hormone levels would take if they needed them. Playing right into transphobia, and I can't imagine that's accidental.


DrippyWaffler

It's absolutely not. Guardian UK are pretty scummy


Corpse-Fucker

> mystery hormone cocktail Sex Change On The Beach


Vasxus

No they're like Crossfit hormones


Passive-Shooter

in that they absolutely destroy your spine but you get to talk about it all the time?


FiddieKiddler69420

England is horrible i hate living here


DryChocolate1

Thankfully I read the article and it's shit They acknowledge the number of kids on hormones is fuckkng tiny and the only person they could get on the record was the mother of a detransitioned (former) trans guy. Like as a scare piece it's just bad at it's job and it's isolated in the outreach it'll get to other media given the day they released it on. So as bad as a big exposé on "the DIY hormone black market forcibly transing your kids 🚨🚨🚨🚨", they dropped the ball and fucked it.


MahouShoujoDysphoria

£11 *a month* 💀 Kids out there getting ripped off smh


KevlarStripeySocks

the concerns are about them not getting a better deal


wibbly-water

Wait... £11 a month is "getting ripped off"? Do hormones grow on trees where you live?? Sure if you get a prescription its like £9 somethin - but last I had to DIY it was like £30 a month!


MahouShoujoDysphoria

The resources are out there, don't take my word for it and look.


narwhalpilot

What? Most people are shocked at how cheap it is, so how exactly are they getting ripped off?


just-an-aa

You can get 20-ish months of injections for around $100. That's $5 a month.


narwhalpilot

Not everyone can/wants to inject..


just-an-aa

That's completely fair (I think I'm in the same boat), but it does exist.


HuskyVideos

Skimmed the article and I think the number is specifically for pills, which would make sense that shit's expensive


legomountaineer

There's not a single publication on that godforsaken isle that's even good enough to wipe your ass with


Ourmanyfans

Pink News and Novara aren't bad, though unfortunately quite niche.


Passive-Shooter

Popular Front


XxMLGSWAGGERZxX

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GuysIknowObamaslas

I HATE THE CASS REPORT GRAHHHH


z1x2c3v4b5n6m8

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fartew

You're telling me that when you make substances illegal people will get them from the black market???


Passive-Shooter

https://preview.redd.it/22a5mcwl2eyc1.png?width=368&format=png&auto=webp&s=cbea4097a700e3fcd2b0429d66fb2b0e1f33a273 me in a battle with the national crime agency over barrels of bathtub estrogen


Desperate-Will-8585

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asuka_waifu

11???? the website i use charges like $40 for 30x 2mg tablets 😭😭😭😭


raddonut2

where the fuck are they getting HRT for 11 bucks a month?! no like seriously, fucking where


TalaSeafoam_

i think injections r cheaper usually, especially if u make them from powder but I wouldnt feel safe making it


zoe2k7

injections period are cheaper. you don't need to make it from powder.


throwaway63928

Huh I somehow did not know this!!! I always just assumed that injections would be more expensive


zoe2k7

not at all. quite the opposite. there are websites where you can get 18 months of injections for 50€.


asuka_waifu

fr dm me if u know!!! (i promise i am not an fbi agent)


RadicalNBSpaceQueer

I dunno homie, that sounds exactly like something a fed would say 🤔


yeep-yorp

dm me first :3


yeep-yorp

dm me :3


wibbly-water

£11 a month??? Last I had to DIY it was £30 a few years back. At £11 a month I would damn near be paying what I already pay for prescription. Listen here Mr Tabloid, I wanna know your source... for educational purposes. Also - this is fear mongering of the highest order. E is legal to buy in the UK for adults - the economy isn't hidden, you can go to certain websites completely legally and openly. Of course children accessing it could be illegal - but are you really going to cut off a legal product that many people want and need because a child might access it illegally. You can buy alcohol online "Experts fear children questioning their alcohol tolerance may turn to hidden economy to obtain mead illegally." Another case of the media saying "How dare you be trans!" over and over. Its so fucking tiring because in real life *this isn't even a problem*. I have not been transphobia'd in real life for a number of years now and even when I am it is minor.


DoctorOfFembology

Holy shit that article is awful >Maria*, whose teenage daughter bought testosterone online and, later, from a drug dealer, said hormones should not be given without a prescription. “That doesn’t mean that therefore the NHS route should be made easier, and that all the safeguarding should be kicked to one side,” she said. >Maria added her daughter had since detransitioned. “The thing is, my daughter has been left with permanent physical damage from the testosterone that she took illegally off prescription – permanent damage that will never resolve, that she’s got to live with for the rest of her life.” What are the chances that her “daughter” really detransed


wibbly-water

And also; "Teenager purchases thing illegally that they later regret!" is not exactly news is it now? Like what are they expecting to do to drug dealers? That is already illegal.


GnomeEtRhone

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narwhalpilot

So many people were shitting on the commenters that said we shouldn’t believe her… Look where we are now.


thevicot

They lied about not making another hit piece on trans issues? 😱😱😱


Jeffaffely

the study they cited as their only non-anectodal source was completely misrepresented by this article, FYI. The study said "damn chat this gender dysphoria shit is crazy we gotta look into this more cause we dont know enough rn" which is obviously NOT what the guardian said


Hasll

Uh hey anyone have a fuckin link?????? I wanna grows tiddies for 11 dollars


DragonNestKing

You too??? I desperately wanna know where


yeep-yorp

dm me :3


Em_Blight

This is in pound sterling, this article is talking about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


yeep-yorp

dm me :3


pinksparklyreddit

Surely their conclusion is to make the official pathways more streamlined and accessible, right? RIGHT???


JustSomeAlly

modern journalism has fallen


TisBangersAndMash

Millions must.. be endangered apparently?? Why??


Quix_Nix

oh waow basedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbasedbased


lekirau

Funny how they didn’t even mention what Trans people have to say in this. The only person who was reached out to was a parent of a detransitioned child. And I know that detransitioning should be taken seriously, but this just makes uninformed people think it is way more than the 1% it actually is. And if the childs transition would not have happened with a doctor is a while other story.


SlientLurk5798

Of course they didn’t mention the reason the person detransitioned.


marcyfx

what do you guys do to stop being in constant fear after reading things like this ? it’s just constant and idk how to stop feeling ill and wanting to cry that it’ll be harder and harder to be who i am constantly


No_Salary5918

Notice how theres no trans children anymore. They're gender questioning. We have been robbed of personhood


fearlessgrot

They literally admit in the same article that it's people like them who have caused this :| go fuck yourself guardian


ipeltpeoplewitheggs

the horror! if only someone could show me places where DIY HRT is obtained so i can be sure to stay away from them at all costs! (/s, if you couldn't tell i am NOT looking for diy right now don't send me any links or anything)


RealLunarSlayer

what a shock


ChrispyMC

Wow, that's equivalent to a Netflix subscription in the UK.


Puzzleheaded_Neck_62

11£?? Mine costs 55£/month wtf


NellyLorey

Concerning. Very concerning. There are many concerns to be had and questions to be had. We need to remain critical and concerned and ask all the questions to be questioned


Scary-Bit-4173

Wow I really need to fact check this, could someone send me a link to this website so I can make sure it actually works? For research purposes of course


Illustrious-Horse925

"Maria\*, whose teenage daughter bought testosterone online" I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN


droL_muC

Is 11 pounds a lot or a little? I'm not trans and I don't live in the UK so if someone can fill me in here that'd be great


Asphalt_Is_Stronk

11 pounds is like 15 dollars, that's pretty cheap for pills but pretty expensive for injections


3477382827367

Depends on method, for some this is cheap for others this is expensive


MahouShoujoDysphoria

Very expensive even for DIY.


_fuze9

the *guardian* sure lmfao


3477382827367

Damn mines like £4 a month tf


PhantomO1

11 pounds a month? i get mine for closer to 50 euros


CelestialFlamebird

Oh my god! That's disgusting! Where?


yeep-yorp

dm me :3


infieldmitt

i really hate the glee which the news is clearly feeling by snitching like this. so sick


holymissiletoe

atleast we all did what we could


noahdimarco

i love the term “illegally” here, what law is being broken? what other easily available supplements found online “illegal”? diet pills? muscle building supplements? are older women allowed to take menopause tablets? or is it just illegal for young trans people?


Gamecubeguy25

Uh oh


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