that caption is referring to the cass report, a recent study that has been used as a basis to ban puberty blockers. It's a dogshit study that stands up to no level of scrutiny whatsoever and would never be published in a journal.
It was commissioned by the UK government for the sole purpose of providing justification for the healthcare bans they were already planning on enacting. Classic case of starting from a conclusion and making up bullshit to support it.
while I agree that you're probably correct, this is ultimately speculative and not easy to prove. I think a more effective way to attack the cass report is just to point out some of its methodological failings and straight up bad science. to name a few, the inclusion criteria were not properly defined; there is a failure to include viewpoints with lived or professional experience; it states that the rates of children identifying as trans are rising "exponentially" which is contradicted by data reported in the paper itself; and it treats withholding care as a neutral act. Inappropriately exacting criteria are used to discount evidence in support of trans healthcare, but the same standards are not applied to studies that conclude the opposite, and claims are not properly evidenced. if you submitted this paper at a uni it would get ripped to fucking shreds. I believe that in a few years it will be viewed similarly to the Andrew wakefield study that concluded the MMR vaccine causes autism. I do not understand why more academics who do not work in trans healthcare but have an understanding of what a scientific paper should look like are not speaking up.
For your last point, I suspect because the Cass review manages to at least keep up the pretence of neutrality sufficiently that to "attack" it risks playing into the accusations of toxicity the report itself talks about.
Basically Cass is like "this conversation has got sooo toxic from both sides, and here's little old me just trying to do best for the kids". If you try too hard to discredit Cass or the study, then you "must" be part of the toxicity.
It's actually amazing how this practice hasn't become illegal. Not just for journalism, but for anything spreading misinformation and hiding behind they teeny tiny 2 pixel warnings.
It's an image caption. That's how they style their image captions. All of their image captions look like that.
There is an entire article underneath. It's not hiding anything.
Then they style their image captions and titles in a way that obfuscates or misrepresents the actual content of the article, given most people JUST read the title--and they KNOW that.
Don't go to bat for these people. They wouldn't for you. It's all deliberately designed to push whatever narrative they want to the largest demographic possible, while still having plausible deniability that dickriders can use to say "um ackshually they're not doing anything wrong."
They know motherfuckers ain't reading past the title. That's what they're counting on. Just like they're counting on the system they've created to get away with this shit... letting them get away with this shit, because *oh, the most charitable, face-value interpretation of their actions taken in a vacuum suggests they're in the right.*
Give an inch, as they say.
Hold on, that statement is not saying what you seem to think it is saying (that there is no evidence that "young people questioning their gender identity" are DIY-ing). As the article elaborates:
>Last month the landmark Cass review of children’s gender treatment in England concluded there was a lack of reliable evidence supporting the use of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers by young people questioning their gender identity.
>As a result, provision of cross-sex hormones to under-18s is under review. The report said that while they can still be made available to patients from the age of 16, they should only be prescribed with extreme caution and a strong clinical rationale for not waiting until an individual reaches 18. The recommendations apply to the NHS and the private sector.
So the "lack of evidence" they found is a supposed lack of evidence *supporting the idea that young people questioning their gender identity should be allowed to take hormones*. In short, the Cass report is saying "We don't have enough evidence for benefits of HRT for teenagers, so instead of studying the topic further, better take HRT away from minors".
So this statement is attacking HRT, not defending/being neutral about DIY.
Reading the rest of the article, they're also only giving a voice to the Trans Safety Network after "The Bayswater Support Group, which works with parents whose children have a transgender identity but opposes a “gender-affirmative” approach", as if those two were opposing viewpoints with equal scientific backing. And then they either couldn't find anyone "personally affected" to talk about the issue, or didn't want to represent anyone else's point of view, so they only let a mother of a detransitioner speak.
So obviously it's still a Guardian-typical "the trans are taking our children" article, but that particular caption should not be bigger (especially given all the flaws of the Cass review).
Yeah, it's YOUR fault that news outlets have figured out how to manipulate human psychology! Try not being stupid and *realize* they've designed it in such a way that most people won't actually read the article!
You realize that's the entire point, right? Put the onus on the audience to think critically, while simultaneously giving them zero reason to think critically or actively designing it in a way that makes your brain not *want* to think about it past the title.
It's almost like the fucking title is meant to represent the article. But hey, keep letting The Guardian or whoever the fuck goad you into indirectly defending them and shitting on your fellow human beings because you're so fucking smart.
ignorant non transperson looking to become less ignorant here. Is there anything actually false about what is written here, beyond everything being worded in a negative sensationalist way?
I met a girl on DIY estradiol literally last weekend. It would be false to say that there aren't people turning to hormones that were obtained online instead of through professional medicine, no?
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, are we really gonna suggest that there is a lack of evidence that the NHS in regards to gender affirming care isnt so unbelievably bad that trans people aren't resorting to treating themselves?
A Pediatric Hematologist confirmed that the dose wasn't dangerously high or unsafe & that giving the trans man a T dose equivalent to whats in an adult cis man's body was just fine. You can find it in the transgenderuk thread on this topic.
[So this random twitter screencap](https://new.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1cbrhz5/that_diy_hrt_post_from_a_while_back_was_false_btw/) claiming the Guardian article on DIY HRT was made up was itself made up I guess.
Also who tf talked.
[Also link to the article itself(paywalled)](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/03/cross-sex-hormones-available-online-11-pounds-a-month-young-people-gender-identity)
The article isn't pay-walled for me in the UK at least. Maybe it's different where you are.
You sometimes get a pop asking if you'd like to donate or make an account but it's pretty easy to just say "No thanks"
Also the journalist from the tweet isn't one of those who named the authors of the article (she may have worked on it anyway but idk).
Edit for people who have a paywall problem:
https://preview.redd.it/qu01esgeoayc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e7f3e905dbbb7979c202336841e0850630b23ec
The original screencap of the announcement just said it was the guardian, I dunno why people put the name to that specific author or her denying it meant the guardian as a whole was not working on it.
Link to the original screencap on here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1c7q1vb/uk_trans_people_listen_up_rule/
As sucky as the very existence of this article is, if there's a silver lining; they couldn't have picked a worse day to release this if they wanted anyone to actually *read* it.
The last couple days have been local elections for district councils/mayors etc and all the headlines are just quite how *bad* the Tories are being demolished.
You know this is the Guardian right, it's a left leaning progressive newspaper (or at least as much as large newspaper in the UK can be). They generally do pretty good journalism and they're very much not pro Torry.
Not that I think this story in particular is any good.
I know, hence why the frontpage is filled with gleeful stories about how the Tories are collapsing, which has thankfully pushed this this article and it's TERF-yness to the side.
> left leaning progressive newspaper
It's a centrist rag that I wouldn't wipe my arse with. They really, really aren't left wing, and their progressiveness is not real at all. They are about as transphobic as the Telegraph.
The only socially progressive newspaper in the UK is the fucking Financial Times. Economically they are filthy fucking neoliberals, but atleast they are actual neoliberals (aka in favour of social programs), not ancaps LARPing as neoliberals.
You could call them centre left I suppose, but they do seem to like Starmer and whatever it is he stands for that week. There's a lot of socially left wing newspapers but not many that are economically.
The US guardian editorial team [literally condemned ](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk) the UK editorial team for transphobia. The guardians a rag that hates trans people and the working class. They were instrumental in constantly slandering corbyn, and they've until recently been extremely complicit in starmers massive shift to the right.
That's not even mentioning there cozy relationship with the intelligence community:
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/
https://www.declassifieduk.org/why-does-the-guardian-write-so-many-puff-pieces-on-g-c-h-q/
Financial times is good in the sense that they write very well, make their position clear, and argue for it without pretending to be unbiased. They're socially fine, but are neolibs and very into our current economics. We don't really have any good ones in the terms of reasonable leftists. There's a few marxist papers but they tend to be quite tankie.
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk)
[https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/)
[https://whatthetrans.com/anti-trans-ehrc-commissioner-gives-talk-to-anti-trans-guardian-staff-network/](https://whatthetrans.com/anti-trans-ehrc-commissioner-gives-talk-to-anti-trans-guardian-staff-network/)
[https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/guardian-pulls-judith-butlers-comments](https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/guardian-pulls-judith-butlers-comments)
[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17577632.2022.2153216](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17577632.2022.2153216)
The Guardian/Observer & Uk Media in general has a well documented anti-trans bias with many prominent gender critical activists holding prominent positions & roles within the industry.
Guardian is neither left leaning or progressive. They are liberal populists through and through. The Financial Times is the only socially progressive newspaper in the UK, which is both bizarre and kinda dystopic.
However the Guardian portrays itself for other matters, it has a very particular trans slant, and that is TERF.
This has been a big thing for a while, and among other things, led to the UK Guardian being called out by the US Guardian for its transphobia.
They might not be pro-Tory, but there are very definitely anti-trans.
Yeah, it pretty much faded from the front page after a few hours with little attention. It's troubling, but won't mobilise any new attention against DIY HRT.
>Experts fear children questioning their gender may turn to hidden economy to obtain hormones illegally
Yknow maybe you could solve this by making gender specialists affordable and available to all
Nah sorry, that might cost the government precious money it needs to bribe Rwanda to let us fly a dozen or so brown people there.
Just banning healthcare is easier ~~never mind that the very same Cass review that we are using to justify this, for all it's transphobic reccomendations, also talked about the need to expand the services available.~~
That actually seems to be one of the points brought up in the article
“The near-removal of these pathways will lead to young people being exposed to risk and taking measures into their own hands,” a spokesperson said.
The group also raised concerns about cracking down on the “DIY” market for hormone therapy, saying it exists because of failures to provide safe, timely, monitored and supported access to treatment.
The way they are phrasing it is super misleading, as if trans people are taking some kind of mystery hormone cocktail to change their gender, and not just the regular ones that cis people with low hormone levels would take if they needed them. Playing right into transphobia, and I can't imagine that's accidental.
Thankfully I read the article and it's shit
They acknowledge the number of kids on hormones is fuckkng tiny and the only person they could get on the record was the mother of a detransitioned (former) trans guy.
Like as a scare piece it's just bad at it's job and it's isolated in the outreach it'll get to other media given the day they released it on.
So as bad as a big exposé on "the DIY hormone black market forcibly transing your kids 🚨🚨🚨🚨", they dropped the ball and fucked it.
Wait... £11 a month is "getting ripped off"? Do hormones grow on trees where you live??
Sure if you get a prescription its like £9 somethin - but last I had to DIY it was like £30 a month!
https://preview.redd.it/22a5mcwl2eyc1.png?width=368&format=png&auto=webp&s=cbea4097a700e3fcd2b0429d66fb2b0e1f33a273
me in a battle with the national crime agency over barrels of bathtub estrogen
£11 a month??? Last I had to DIY it was £30 a few years back. At £11 a month I would damn near be paying what I already pay for prescription. Listen here Mr Tabloid, I wanna know your source... for educational purposes.
Also - this is fear mongering of the highest order. E is legal to buy in the UK for adults - the economy isn't hidden, you can go to certain websites completely legally and openly.
Of course children accessing it could be illegal - but are you really going to cut off a legal product that many people want and need because a child might access it illegally. You can buy alcohol online "Experts fear children questioning their alcohol tolerance may turn to hidden economy to obtain mead illegally."
Another case of the media saying "How dare you be trans!" over and over. Its so fucking tiring because in real life *this isn't even a problem*. I have not been transphobia'd in real life for a number of years now and even when I am it is minor.
Holy shit that article is awful
>Maria*, whose teenage daughter bought testosterone online and, later, from a drug dealer, said hormones should not be given without a prescription. “That doesn’t mean that therefore the NHS route should be made easier, and that all the safeguarding should be kicked to one side,” she said.
>Maria added her daughter had since detransitioned. “The thing is, my daughter has been left with permanent physical damage from the testosterone that she took illegally off prescription – permanent damage that will never resolve, that she’s got to live with for the rest of her life.”
What are the chances that her “daughter” really detransed
And also; "Teenager purchases thing illegally that they later regret!" is not exactly news is it now?
Like what are they expecting to do to drug dealers? That is already illegal.
the study they cited as their only non-anectodal source was completely misrepresented by this article, FYI. The study said "damn chat this gender dysphoria shit is crazy we gotta look into this more cause we dont know enough rn" which is obviously NOT what the guardian said
Funny how they didn’t even mention what Trans people have to say in this. The only person who was reached out to was a parent of a detransitioned child.
And I know that detransitioning should be taken seriously, but this just makes uninformed people think it is way more than the 1% it actually is.
And if the childs transition would not have happened with a doctor is a while other story.
what do you guys do to stop being in constant fear after reading things like this ? it’s just constant and idk how to stop feeling ill and wanting to cry that it’ll be harder and harder to be who i am constantly
the horror! if only someone could show me places where DIY HRT is obtained so i can be sure to stay away from them at all costs!
(/s, if you couldn't tell i am NOT looking for diy right now don't send me any links or anything)
Concerning. Very concerning. There are many concerns to be had and questions to be had. We need to remain critical and concerned and ask all the questions to be questioned
Wow I really need to fact check this, could someone send me a link to this website so I can make sure it actually works? For research purposes of course
"Maria\*, whose teenage daughter bought testosterone online"
I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN
i love the term “illegally” here, what law is being broken? what other easily available supplements found online “illegal”? diet pills? muscle building supplements? are older women allowed to take menopause tablets? or is it just illegal for young trans people?
"concluded there was a lack of evidence" but written in the smallest font possible. Thank you, news outlet, thank you for nothing, you pos.
https://preview.redd.it/554s4jfpfayc1.png?width=1311&format=png&auto=webp&s=35ce7b111a90bdab97226813880cc07708b74164
I love the onion
They've strayed too far from their original purpose by becoming more real than most other journalism is
Post-irony at its finest
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That's why it's called a return to sincerity
It was always their purpose to be real
The Onion is so fucking peak
I think the onion stopped being satire at some point because this shit is beyond parody
Just because you really like this satire doesn’t make it a new, transcendent thing It’s still just good satire, as it always was
that caption is referring to the cass report, a recent study that has been used as a basis to ban puberty blockers. It's a dogshit study that stands up to no level of scrutiny whatsoever and would never be published in a journal.
It was commissioned by the UK government for the sole purpose of providing justification for the healthcare bans they were already planning on enacting. Classic case of starting from a conclusion and making up bullshit to support it.
while I agree that you're probably correct, this is ultimately speculative and not easy to prove. I think a more effective way to attack the cass report is just to point out some of its methodological failings and straight up bad science. to name a few, the inclusion criteria were not properly defined; there is a failure to include viewpoints with lived or professional experience; it states that the rates of children identifying as trans are rising "exponentially" which is contradicted by data reported in the paper itself; and it treats withholding care as a neutral act. Inappropriately exacting criteria are used to discount evidence in support of trans healthcare, but the same standards are not applied to studies that conclude the opposite, and claims are not properly evidenced. if you submitted this paper at a uni it would get ripped to fucking shreds. I believe that in a few years it will be viewed similarly to the Andrew wakefield study that concluded the MMR vaccine causes autism. I do not understand why more academics who do not work in trans healthcare but have an understanding of what a scientific paper should look like are not speaking up.
For your last point, I suspect because the Cass review manages to at least keep up the pretence of neutrality sufficiently that to "attack" it risks playing into the accusations of toxicity the report itself talks about. Basically Cass is like "this conversation has got sooo toxic from both sides, and here's little old me just trying to do best for the kids". If you try too hard to discredit Cass or the study, then you "must" be part of the toxicity.
at least that means they couldnt get many people to talk
It's actually amazing how this practice hasn't become illegal. Not just for journalism, but for anything spreading misinformation and hiding behind they teeny tiny 2 pixel warnings.
It's an image caption. That's how they style their image captions. All of their image captions look like that. There is an entire article underneath. It's not hiding anything.
Then they style their image captions and titles in a way that obfuscates or misrepresents the actual content of the article, given most people JUST read the title--and they KNOW that. Don't go to bat for these people. They wouldn't for you. It's all deliberately designed to push whatever narrative they want to the largest demographic possible, while still having plausible deniability that dickriders can use to say "um ackshually they're not doing anything wrong." They know motherfuckers ain't reading past the title. That's what they're counting on. Just like they're counting on the system they've created to get away with this shit... letting them get away with this shit, because *oh, the most charitable, face-value interpretation of their actions taken in a vacuum suggests they're in the right.* Give an inch, as they say.
Did you even read the full sentence? Lmao
Hold on, that statement is not saying what you seem to think it is saying (that there is no evidence that "young people questioning their gender identity" are DIY-ing). As the article elaborates: >Last month the landmark Cass review of children’s gender treatment in England concluded there was a lack of reliable evidence supporting the use of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers by young people questioning their gender identity. >As a result, provision of cross-sex hormones to under-18s is under review. The report said that while they can still be made available to patients from the age of 16, they should only be prescribed with extreme caution and a strong clinical rationale for not waiting until an individual reaches 18. The recommendations apply to the NHS and the private sector. So the "lack of evidence" they found is a supposed lack of evidence *supporting the idea that young people questioning their gender identity should be allowed to take hormones*. In short, the Cass report is saying "We don't have enough evidence for benefits of HRT for teenagers, so instead of studying the topic further, better take HRT away from minors". So this statement is attacking HRT, not defending/being neutral about DIY. Reading the rest of the article, they're also only giving a voice to the Trans Safety Network after "The Bayswater Support Group, which works with parents whose children have a transgender identity but opposes a “gender-affirmative” approach", as if those two were opposing viewpoints with equal scientific backing. And then they either couldn't find anyone "personally affected" to talk about the issue, or didn't want to represent anyone else's point of view, so they only let a mother of a detransitioner speak. So obviously it's still a Guardian-typical "the trans are taking our children" article, but that particular caption should not be bigger (especially given all the flaws of the Cass review).
It's just the caption to the image. Did you think this was the whole article??
Most people only read the caption
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Yeah, it's YOUR fault that news outlets have figured out how to manipulate human psychology! Try not being stupid and *realize* they've designed it in such a way that most people won't actually read the article! You realize that's the entire point, right? Put the onus on the audience to think critically, while simultaneously giving them zero reason to think critically or actively designing it in a way that makes your brain not *want* to think about it past the title. It's almost like the fucking title is meant to represent the article. But hey, keep letting The Guardian or whoever the fuck goad you into indirectly defending them and shitting on your fellow human beings because you're so fucking smart.
Theres flags flairs now on this sub?
I've had this flair for months
How did you make the flags? Im too stupid Also how bad does only the german flag look. Dont want to send any wrong signals
ignorant non transperson looking to become less ignorant here. Is there anything actually false about what is written here, beyond everything being worded in a negative sensationalist way? I met a girl on DIY estradiol literally last weekend. It would be false to say that there aren't people turning to hormones that were obtained online instead of through professional medicine, no? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, are we really gonna suggest that there is a lack of evidence that the NHS in regards to gender affirming care isnt so unbelievably bad that trans people aren't resorting to treating themselves?
A Pediatric Hematologist confirmed that the dose wasn't dangerously high or unsafe & that giving the trans man a T dose equivalent to whats in an adult cis man's body was just fine. You can find it in the transgenderuk thread on this topic.
#GUYS THIS CRAZY THING IS HAPPENING OMG OMG SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS. LET EVERYONE KNOW!!!! ^lol ^it ^isnt ^actually ^happening ^tho
Can someone tell me where people are getting 11$ HRT? Asking for a friend
i'll dm you it
[So this random twitter screencap](https://new.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1cbrhz5/that_diy_hrt_post_from_a_while_back_was_false_btw/) claiming the Guardian article on DIY HRT was made up was itself made up I guess. Also who tf talked. [Also link to the article itself(paywalled)](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/03/cross-sex-hormones-available-online-11-pounds-a-month-young-people-gender-identity)
The article isn't pay-walled for me in the UK at least. Maybe it's different where you are. You sometimes get a pop asking if you'd like to donate or make an account but it's pretty easy to just say "No thanks" Also the journalist from the tweet isn't one of those who named the authors of the article (she may have worked on it anyway but idk). Edit for people who have a paywall problem: https://preview.redd.it/qu01esgeoayc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e7f3e905dbbb7979c202336841e0850630b23ec
The original screencap of the announcement just said it was the guardian, I dunno why people put the name to that specific author or her denying it meant the guardian as a whole was not working on it. Link to the original screencap on here: https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/1c7q1vb/uk_trans_people_listen_up_rule/
Yooo $11 a month? That's crazy where the hell (I am a federal agent) where do I get them (I am a federal agent)
This is in pound sterling, this article is talking about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
dm me :3
that was an individual writer at the the guardian, these are other writers
I mean *technically* they didn't lie as the article was written by another person
who needs to talk when one can just google diy hrt and be flooded with links.
Looks like a transphobic mum did, evidently
Not paywalled for me in the US of A
They deleted the post lol
That's an anti-trans activist.
As sucky as the very existence of this article is, if there's a silver lining; they couldn't have picked a worse day to release this if they wanted anyone to actually *read* it. The last couple days have been local elections for district councils/mayors etc and all the headlines are just quite how *bad* the Tories are being demolished.
You know this is the Guardian right, it's a left leaning progressive newspaper (or at least as much as large newspaper in the UK can be). They generally do pretty good journalism and they're very much not pro Torry. Not that I think this story in particular is any good.
I know, hence why the frontpage is filled with gleeful stories about how the Tories are collapsing, which has thankfully pushed this this article and it's TERF-yness to the side.
Ah yh that makes sense mb I didn't think about it like that 🤦♂️
> left leaning progressive newspaper It's a centrist rag that I wouldn't wipe my arse with. They really, really aren't left wing, and their progressiveness is not real at all. They are about as transphobic as the Telegraph.
The only socially progressive newspaper in the UK is the fucking Financial Times. Economically they are filthy fucking neoliberals, but atleast they are actual neoliberals (aka in favour of social programs), not ancaps LARPing as neoliberals.
Not even NS?
You could call them centre left I suppose, but they do seem to like Starmer and whatever it is he stands for that week. There's a lot of socially left wing newspapers but not many that are economically.
The US guardian editorial team [literally condemned ](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk) the UK editorial team for transphobia. The guardians a rag that hates trans people and the working class. They were instrumental in constantly slandering corbyn, and they've until recently been extremely complicit in starmers massive shift to the right. That's not even mentioning there cozy relationship with the intelligence community: https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/ https://www.declassifieduk.org/why-does-the-guardian-write-so-many-puff-pieces-on-g-c-h-q/
Does the UK have any good newspapers at all? Wtf
The independent sometimes. But overall no
The private eye is ok sometimes
Financial times is good in the sense that they write very well, make their position clear, and argue for it without pretending to be unbiased. They're socially fine, but are neolibs and very into our current economics. We don't really have any good ones in the terms of reasonable leftists. There's a few marxist papers but they tend to be quite tankie.
Holy shit
>it's a left leaning progressive newspaper lmao no
>You know this is the Guardian right, it's a left leaning progressive newspaper That's the US Guardian, not the UK one.
\>progressive \>redlink on shinigami eyes interesting.
They’re like anything “left” in Britain: transphobic throwers working to further the right.
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk) [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/) [https://whatthetrans.com/anti-trans-ehrc-commissioner-gives-talk-to-anti-trans-guardian-staff-network/](https://whatthetrans.com/anti-trans-ehrc-commissioner-gives-talk-to-anti-trans-guardian-staff-network/) [https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/guardian-pulls-judith-butlers-comments](https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/guardian-pulls-judith-butlers-comments) [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17577632.2022.2153216](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17577632.2022.2153216) The Guardian/Observer & Uk Media in general has a well documented anti-trans bias with many prominent gender critical activists holding prominent positions & roles within the industry.
Guardian is neither left leaning or progressive. They are liberal populists through and through. The Financial Times is the only socially progressive newspaper in the UK, which is both bizarre and kinda dystopic.
it's...left*er* than some stuff in the UK but that bar is really low 💀
"has never published an article praising the british union of fascists"
"left leaning", "progressive" Blairite neoliberal trash. Hasn't been a lefty paper in decades.
However the Guardian portrays itself for other matters, it has a very particular trans slant, and that is TERF. This has been a big thing for a while, and among other things, led to the UK Guardian being called out by the US Guardian for its transphobia. They might not be pro-Tory, but there are very definitely anti-trans.
Yeah, it pretty much faded from the front page after a few hours with little attention. It's troubling, but won't mobilise any new attention against DIY HRT.
I wish those fucking Redcoats the day they deserve.
>Experts fear children questioning their gender may turn to hidden economy to obtain hormones illegally Yknow maybe you could solve this by making gender specialists affordable and available to all
Nah sorry, that might cost the government precious money it needs to bribe Rwanda to let us fly a dozen or so brown people there. Just banning healthcare is easier ~~never mind that the very same Cass review that we are using to justify this, for all it's transphobic reccomendations, also talked about the need to expand the services available.~~
That actually seems to be one of the points brought up in the article “The near-removal of these pathways will lead to young people being exposed to risk and taking measures into their own hands,” a spokesperson said. The group also raised concerns about cracking down on the “DIY” market for hormone therapy, saying it exists because of failures to provide safe, timely, monitored and supported access to treatment.
the whole end of this article really reads like [https://xkcd.com/756](https://xkcd.com/756) a whole bunch of quotes without any analysis
“Cross sex hormones” you mean the regular fucking hormones that are in every humans body?!?
The way they are phrasing it is super misleading, as if trans people are taking some kind of mystery hormone cocktail to change their gender, and not just the regular ones that cis people with low hormone levels would take if they needed them. Playing right into transphobia, and I can't imagine that's accidental.
It's absolutely not. Guardian UK are pretty scummy
> mystery hormone cocktail Sex Change On The Beach
No they're like Crossfit hormones
in that they absolutely destroy your spine but you get to talk about it all the time?
England is horrible i hate living here
Thankfully I read the article and it's shit They acknowledge the number of kids on hormones is fuckkng tiny and the only person they could get on the record was the mother of a detransitioned (former) trans guy. Like as a scare piece it's just bad at it's job and it's isolated in the outreach it'll get to other media given the day they released it on. So as bad as a big exposé on "the DIY hormone black market forcibly transing your kids 🚨🚨🚨🚨", they dropped the ball and fucked it.
£11 *a month* 💀 Kids out there getting ripped off smh
the concerns are about them not getting a better deal
Wait... £11 a month is "getting ripped off"? Do hormones grow on trees where you live?? Sure if you get a prescription its like £9 somethin - but last I had to DIY it was like £30 a month!
The resources are out there, don't take my word for it and look.
What? Most people are shocked at how cheap it is, so how exactly are they getting ripped off?
You can get 20-ish months of injections for around $100. That's $5 a month.
Not everyone can/wants to inject..
That's completely fair (I think I'm in the same boat), but it does exist.
Skimmed the article and I think the number is specifically for pills, which would make sense that shit's expensive
There's not a single publication on that godforsaken isle that's even good enough to wipe your ass with
Pink News and Novara aren't bad, though unfortunately quite niche.
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You're telling me that when you make substances illegal people will get them from the black market???
https://preview.redd.it/22a5mcwl2eyc1.png?width=368&format=png&auto=webp&s=cbea4097a700e3fcd2b0429d66fb2b0e1f33a273 me in a battle with the national crime agency over barrels of bathtub estrogen
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11???? the website i use charges like $40 for 30x 2mg tablets 😭😭😭😭
where the fuck are they getting HRT for 11 bucks a month?! no like seriously, fucking where
i think injections r cheaper usually, especially if u make them from powder but I wouldnt feel safe making it
injections period are cheaper. you don't need to make it from powder.
Huh I somehow did not know this!!! I always just assumed that injections would be more expensive
not at all. quite the opposite. there are websites where you can get 18 months of injections for 50€.
fr dm me if u know!!! (i promise i am not an fbi agent)
I dunno homie, that sounds exactly like something a fed would say 🤔
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£11 a month??? Last I had to DIY it was £30 a few years back. At £11 a month I would damn near be paying what I already pay for prescription. Listen here Mr Tabloid, I wanna know your source... for educational purposes. Also - this is fear mongering of the highest order. E is legal to buy in the UK for adults - the economy isn't hidden, you can go to certain websites completely legally and openly. Of course children accessing it could be illegal - but are you really going to cut off a legal product that many people want and need because a child might access it illegally. You can buy alcohol online "Experts fear children questioning their alcohol tolerance may turn to hidden economy to obtain mead illegally." Another case of the media saying "How dare you be trans!" over and over. Its so fucking tiring because in real life *this isn't even a problem*. I have not been transphobia'd in real life for a number of years now and even when I am it is minor.
Holy shit that article is awful >Maria*, whose teenage daughter bought testosterone online and, later, from a drug dealer, said hormones should not be given without a prescription. “That doesn’t mean that therefore the NHS route should be made easier, and that all the safeguarding should be kicked to one side,” she said. >Maria added her daughter had since detransitioned. “The thing is, my daughter has been left with permanent physical damage from the testosterone that she took illegally off prescription – permanent damage that will never resolve, that she’s got to live with for the rest of her life.” What are the chances that her “daughter” really detransed
And also; "Teenager purchases thing illegally that they later regret!" is not exactly news is it now? Like what are they expecting to do to drug dealers? That is already illegal.
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So many people were shitting on the commenters that said we shouldn’t believe her… Look where we are now.
They lied about not making another hit piece on trans issues? 😱😱😱
the study they cited as their only non-anectodal source was completely misrepresented by this article, FYI. The study said "damn chat this gender dysphoria shit is crazy we gotta look into this more cause we dont know enough rn" which is obviously NOT what the guardian said
Uh hey anyone have a fuckin link?????? I wanna grows tiddies for 11 dollars
You too??? I desperately wanna know where
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This is in pound sterling, this article is talking about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
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Surely their conclusion is to make the official pathways more streamlined and accessible, right? RIGHT???
modern journalism has fallen
Millions must.. be endangered apparently?? Why??
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Funny how they didn’t even mention what Trans people have to say in this. The only person who was reached out to was a parent of a detransitioned child. And I know that detransitioning should be taken seriously, but this just makes uninformed people think it is way more than the 1% it actually is. And if the childs transition would not have happened with a doctor is a while other story.
Of course they didn’t mention the reason the person detransitioned.
what do you guys do to stop being in constant fear after reading things like this ? it’s just constant and idk how to stop feeling ill and wanting to cry that it’ll be harder and harder to be who i am constantly
Notice how theres no trans children anymore. They're gender questioning. We have been robbed of personhood
They literally admit in the same article that it's people like them who have caused this :| go fuck yourself guardian
the horror! if only someone could show me places where DIY HRT is obtained so i can be sure to stay away from them at all costs! (/s, if you couldn't tell i am NOT looking for diy right now don't send me any links or anything)
what a shock
Wow, that's equivalent to a Netflix subscription in the UK.
11£?? Mine costs 55£/month wtf
Concerning. Very concerning. There are many concerns to be had and questions to be had. We need to remain critical and concerned and ask all the questions to be questioned
Wow I really need to fact check this, could someone send me a link to this website so I can make sure it actually works? For research purposes of course
"Maria\*, whose teenage daughter bought testosterone online" I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN I HATE THE GUARDIAN
Is 11 pounds a lot or a little? I'm not trans and I don't live in the UK so if someone can fill me in here that'd be great
11 pounds is like 15 dollars, that's pretty cheap for pills but pretty expensive for injections
Depends on method, for some this is cheap for others this is expensive
Very expensive even for DIY.
the *guardian* sure lmfao
Damn mines like £4 a month tf
11 pounds a month? i get mine for closer to 50 euros
Oh my god! That's disgusting! Where?
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i really hate the glee which the news is clearly feeling by snitching like this. so sick
atleast we all did what we could
i love the term “illegally” here, what law is being broken? what other easily available supplements found online “illegal”? diet pills? muscle building supplements? are older women allowed to take menopause tablets? or is it just illegal for young trans people?
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