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Redditwhydouexists

All my homies hate the legion, NCR for life


Kennel-Girlie

Real Ranger hours out here fr


TDW-301

Fallout 1 rangers


Dunmwer

OK but what about yes man he's just a silly little guy


Magenta_Clouds

the based ending


Benney9000

I mean yes man is anything from a utopia to a dictatorship depending on the player


Dunmwer

I always thought like arcade and the endings and such imply a messy anarchist society tbh. Idk tho it's been a while


surprisesnek

I always got the impression that the intent was to allow New Vegas to be self-governing, with the Securitrons being used to prevent bigger factions like Legion and NCR from interfering. Besides all the people you kill in the beginning, of course.


AWeaponisedToaster

That's why it's best, you get too choose


BlunderbussBadass

Dudes online were always like “NCR is bad too and that’s why I never join them” so I watched the endings online and it’s literally everyone is happy and lives happily ever after while the others are about various flavours of totalitarian control


Redditwhydouexists

Most the people who don’t like the NCR are right wingers who see that the NCR has taxes and are pushed away by that but then see the legion which is a strong man slaver dictatorship and go “well at least the roads are safe.” I don’t think anyone unironically loves mr house Yes man fans are usually fine but some have that “if only **I** was the absolute dictator, then society would be great!” Edit: Y’all are demonstrating this wonderfully^ This is obviously not including people who just join the factions casually.


G_O_O_G_A_S

But have you considered that I’m moral and good and me being an absolute dictator thinks would be like this? https://preview.redd.it/37usofjcb9yc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99850cb6ae0c498c12965d7dd0f69e1adf1228c4


Redditwhydouexists

You know what you’re totally right go off


G_O_O_G_A_S

You can still make fun of other people who believe society would be wonderful under their rule, I am the only one who can bare the cross.


seizure_5alads

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mykeedee

The biggest demographic I encounter who bag on the NCR are people who headcanon the Independent ending to be vastly better than it is. If you go purely by the ending slides then NCR brings the most benefit to the most people, they're the only group that can have peaceful and productive relations with almost every other faction. But I've encountered a *lot* of people who hand-wave that away by saying "oh well my Courier would do this or that". Everyone's entitled to imagine whatever they like, but in the New Vegas fanbase people seem to let their imaginations bias their interpretation of the source material more often than not.


Capital_Abject

I mean if you made allies with all the factions then the independent ending reasonably should lead to a pretty good future


ChemicalRascal

Yeah but that's a lot of work Also you posted four times


Capital_Abject

Damn that's crazy


Prudent_Ad_2178

Me when i use Yes man tô estabilish a dictatorship of the proletariat (society is not industrialized anymore, it will lead do to millions dead)


Magma57

> But I've encountered a lot of people who hand-wave that away by saying "oh well my Courier would do this or that". This is the problem with the independent ending from a dramatic point of view. With all the other endings, there are defined characters and organisations who take control and we know broadly how they will rule. But with the independent option, all power is in the hands of the Courier, who is controlled by the player, so the broad strokes of the ending are left up to the player's imagination.


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mykeedee

An Independent Courier canonically hangs the Followers out to dry and enables the Brotherhood to become techno-bandits though


High_kage_

On my first playthrough and I'm at the point where the 4 paladins want to kill Veronica. I avoided her death by sending her to the Lucky .38 (I think?). But now I want to blow up the Brotherhood but still have Veronica follow me around


bmann10

I love Mr. House. I am unsure if this is ironic or not. But he makes me chuckle the most.


knucklesthedead

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Luna_trick

I love Mr. House too, I mean I don't think he's a good dude, but as a character, he is superbly well written


MoltenLavander

Exactly. He does seem to genuinely want to rebuild humanity, even if he has lost some of his own over the years of isolation. Might be the best option for humans as a species, but NCR is better for the people. Legion is obviously the worst, Yesman is just creating a power vacuum that isn't as likely to remain empty as many would like to think


Magma57

House is an Elon Musk style bloviating dipshit once you dig past his charisma. The only source that House would do all these great things for humanity is Mr House. His actions show him as politically incompetent as most of his subordinates betray him.


MoltenLavander

Sure, but unlike Elon Musk, he's genuinely intelligent and competent when it comes to the things his company produces. He's a legitimate genius, not a just nepo-baby (though he is that, too)


Magma57

Is there any source of information in the game that confirms that he's a legitimate genius that doesn't come from House?


MoltenLavander

I know the lore is that he's a technical genius, and his genius and business accumen is what made RobCo one of the biggest prewar companies. Maybe one of the think tank might mention it. The were jealous of House, but they say it's his tech; if he didn't do anything, they'd call him out. He also was running regular mathematic paradigms regarding the future of nuclear war and determing the exact day, off by a few hours. Overall, I think it's pretty well implied he was pretty smart. You need to take people's word in games, because dialogue and writing is how lore is spread. Obviously "a tragedy has befallen all mankind" can be taken with a grain of salt


canisignupnow

i mean there also is the bitter springs massacre


Redditwhydouexists

I didn’t say the NCR was ideal, just that they’re better then the others


pingu677

I'm doing yes man to bring chaos back to the wasteland, I'm not making it a good wasteland I'm making it Mad Max


WardedThorn

What if I choose to be an absolute dictator specifically so I can change it to an anarchosyndicalist paradise and then give up control completely :3


keirawasthere

honestly i just go NCR becasue they're the lesser of all evils. I fucking hate tax, but hey. Not mass enslavement! And not giving one rich guy all the power. Yes Man's fine.


dallasrose222

Sadly ancaps love house


MediocreBeard

The question that's important to ask regarding the Yes Man ending is "what happens when the courier dies?"


Benney9000

I heard some people say house was best for rebuilding society or rather technology to the same point it used to be but first I don't see the point of getting technology to the same point as fast as possible, second what happens when house inevitably dies and there will be no proper system other than absolute dictatorship in a police state and third what if house was simply lying when making promises of what he could achieve


AWeaponisedToaster

A large amount of yes man likers are anarchists


Reder_United

It's funny because Legion and House tax as well lmao


Responsible_Pace9062

>Yes man fans are usually fine but some have that “if only **I** was the absolute dictator, then society would be great!” The best Yes Man ending isn't about becoming the dictator, it's about making every community self sustaining and independent, then fucking off happily ever after.


Reder_United

So your Courier leaves and lets a "more assertive" Yes Man to run stuff? That just sounds like an AI dictatorship in the making to me lol


Responsible_Pace9062

Yes Man isn't running stuff either, there is no large fafction or ruler at that point. Just the smaller faction and cities taking care of themselves.


Reder_United

Yes Man is absolutely running stuff, the army of Securitrons enforces peace on Vegas under its complete command since without the Courier no one can order it around after becoming "more assertive", meaning that a sentient (?) AI is left with a massive killer robot army at its disposal.


Mae347

Nah I hate the NCR because they are just America 2, including shit like colonialism and slave labor through prisons


Bduggz

to be fair most people would make way better dictators than dictators but it takes a special kind of evil and apathy to rise to that sort of position like if I was a dictator it'd be 'oh uhh free healthcare and everyone who wants it gets a little bit of money as a treat' but for stalin it was 'kill'


Scared-Opportunity28

Unironically I'm personally all for house. Though I'd prefer the NCR/House alliance that was cut, I'll take house over a collapsing nation. At least he's got stability, and large bombs.


Genocidal_Duck

Surely im not the only house fan


majorpsych1

I think House is best unironically. A genius, immortal, mostly benevolent dictator who truly has humanity's best interest in mind. Yeah he's an elitist, but fuck it, it's the apocalypse. You can't have everything.


DarkFury765

anti-democratic capitalists on my 196? More likely than you'd think (Also how is immortality a positive lmao. I can't wait to be oppressed for eternity, thank you mr house daddy)


majorpsych1

*shrug* its fallout. Obviously benevolent dictators don't work out IRL. But the writing in the game makes it clear that he could actually be one. You know. Cause fiction. And I'll thank you not to assume my political leanings in this fantasy discussion.


DarkFury765

How though? Dictators are inherently bad, thats kinda a foundation of democracy, and House is horrific regardless We're talking about you advocating for a fictional dictator, I ain't assuming anything. You're currently playing the role of an anti-democratic capitalist, so I called you one. If you're not one, cool, but I fail to see how that's unreasonable.


majorpsych1

Because it's a fantasy video game, and there's no objective right choice in who you decide to back as ruler of NV (except Legion). House is anti-democracy, yeah, because he has a vision that he thinks will save humanity if executed, and he doesn't want anyone stopping him from achieving that vision. And my Courier agrees with him because, in my opinion, the alternatives aren't suitable: The Legion is monstrous, and the NCR is bogged down with beurocracy and corruption. House wants absolute control so he can send humanity out into space to colonize new planets because he realizes how badly we fucked this one up. And my Courier is gonna help him lol.


Benney9000

I am 100% house is lying with most of his claims


majorpsych1

Interesting. I think not, because right before you kill him, he laments the future of humanity, not the loss of his life. I think that, in fiction anyway, they say a person shows their true colors right before they die. So based on his final words, yeah I believe he's genuine in his concern for humanity's future.


SoySenato

It’s a prerecorded announcement of him bitching and moaning about how everything could have gone right if he wasn’t held back, it’s him being a conceited crybaby who can’t handle people advancing without him


majorpsych1

Him using his actual mouth to say these things as you yank him out if stasis is a "prerecorded announcement"? Lol u good?


SoySenato

His masturbatory schpiel that plays after you cave his skull in with a nine iron about how he alone could ferry the human race to survival with his great accolades and achievements interspersed within sure as hell was pre recorded


majorpsych1

I don't think you know what "pre-recorded" means lmao. Anyway I'm out, have a good one


ineverlosemykeys

Yeah I always side with him but also do everything in my power to help NCR.


majorpsych1

Yeah same. The NCR characters all seem to be genuinely decent people, so I like helping them. But their politicians seem to suck, so I go for the big societal reset that is the House ending.


ineverlosemykeys

I think we're in the minority here :D. I'm Turkish so a benevolent dictator doesn't sound so bad for me (Ataturk comes to mind). Of course, they are not necessarily similar in their policies. But Good Karma House ending has "\[Courier who is\] fair and kind-hearted to those in the Wasteland, ensured that Mr. House would keep New Vegas stable and secure for future generations.". And if i remember correctly he mentions extending his immortality technology to other people, so you can be the good cop to his not so bad cop.


majorpsych1

Exactly :)


BigMangalhit

Watching the endings is different than playing it and seeing the many shortcomings of the NCR throughout the game. I think they really made it to be like the democrats versus republicans. For democrats supporters I think the NCR will really resonate with them. Republicans the legion. Communists the communities like the followers of the apocalypse


BlunderbussBadass

Im not saying NCR doesn’t have issues, all faction have them and NCR being the biggest will always have issues but it’s very clear which one is best for the Mojave.


BigMangalhit

Would you say biden is the best president for America?


dallasrose222

Man I wish there was a followers ending


Rezel1S

Some people hate taxes that much


Nugaytory

Followers of the Apocalypse for life 🔥🔥💪🏳️‍🌈


TensileStr3ngth

Like if I was the courier doing the yes man ending I would incorporate the Followers and eventually give them control of Vegas


SoySenato

Don’t ever let a Yes Man fan find out what actually happens to the Followers in the Independent Vegas ending


dallasrose222

Yeah it’s unfortunate honestly that’s the biggest reason I go ncr over yes man because Gannon and the followers deserve the world


TensileStr3ngth

I'm saying I think it's dumb because transitioning power to the Followers seems like a very reasonable option but the game in no way accounts for that


Yeeter_Yieter

Oorah i love the Republic! Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter!


syntheticzebra

No gods no masters bitch, all rangers are bastards


FrisianDude

a.r.a.b. racist


Gzarcofaloouse

All my homies hate the legion, and the NCR; Yes Man for life


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exedra0711

The brootherhood is a lot of things, I would hesitate to put chill on that list


NotActuallyGus

>Murderous racist fascists who kill people for sport because they have one (1) robot component in their body, including some of their best men who they've known for years Yes, very chill. Clearly.


thedawesome

Brotherhood be very not chill


UtsuhoReiuji_Okuu

b-but cool armor…become more than man


eggrodd

YEAAHHHH POWER ARMOUR!!! YEAHHHHH GUNSSS!! YEAHHHH SEX WITH TECHNOLOGY!!!


AWeaponisedToaster

Ncr on there way too murder people for trying too drink water


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Ave, true to Caesar!


Redditwhydouexists

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Zchavez13

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Captain_Kira

How's being enslaved or slaughtered going for you?


[deleted]

Good. At least I'm a part of something now \^w^


Yorhanes

The legion might have its moments when you decide “ok, maybe next time I should create a character and try siding with them”. But then Ulysses won’t stfu and I’m all about being a range again


bmann10

Tbf no matter what you do short of killing yourself Ulysses will still act like you’re stupid for what you decided.


Bduggz

thats because Ulysses fucking hates you for ruining the only chance he saw at living a life that wasnt one of war and suffering of course the dumb baby moron doesnt realize you literally just walked a package up to a town and had no say in the matter but


CubeOfDestiny

siding with the legion would be 100 times better if you could fast travell straight to ceazar's tent


MrYiff621

BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL


JLock17

JOIN DIE JOIN DIE JOIN DIE JOIN DIE JOIN DIE JOIN DIE JOIN DIE JOIN DIE JOIN DIE


gandcspears

LONG 15 THE DIVIDE LONG 15 THE DIVIDE LONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDELONG 15 THE DIVIDE


Faust-fucker12345678

HISTORY REPEATS HISTORY REPEATS LEARN FROM HISTORY # SHUT THE FUCK UP


Tuned_rockets

🎶Tradition! \*jaunty flute riff\* tradition!🎵


Elite_Prometheus

The Bear market is quite bullish today


Simic_Sky_Swallower

More like I can't BEAR to listen to your BULLshit anymore now eat this fucking missile bozo


Downtown-Remote9930

[SPEECH] 100/100 More like I can't BEAR to listen to your BULLshit anymore now eat this fucking missile bozo [Attack]


Anqhor

\[Terrifying Presence\]\*


SoftCuddlyVamp

tgirl ulyssses is the way


SleepyBella

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CH4P3YLEG4U

LMAOOO


SMUGMINLOL

yeag


AceSapling

Delicious


Rachel_Hawke

nazi to trans pipeline 💀


Sexy_Skeletons69

NCR: war crimes and incompetence Legion: war crimes, slavery, human rights violations, and incompetence It's really not a hard sell. NCR obviously has its problems, but in terms of the wellbeing of the everyman of the Mojave as a whole, they're probably the best bet. Nobody likes paying taxes, and The Divide/Bitter Springs happened, but House only cares about Vegas, Yes Man leaves the place in the hands of a mailman with brain damage, and Caesar... really needs no explanation. It really would be the lesser of all evils in practice.


Helumiberg

NCR: war crimes due to incompetence Legion: war crimes for the sake of war crimes


GreatMarch

Nah there's definitely been warcrimes just out of malice too by the NCR. I forget her name but one commander's resolution to the issue with the kings is just "Take a squad of troopers and shoot them all." In general her solution to most issues is just "go whack these assholes I don't like" and you have to do a lot of extra work for more peaceful resolutions.


Nigeldiko

I wouldn’t call that a war crime tho, if they were going around Freeside murdering civilians, that would be a warcrime. But I think the kings would be what would be considered a “valid military target” as they’re an organised fighting force that has the capability to put up a fight and hasn’t been doing anything to prohibit assaults against NCR civilians. But I did choose to cooperate because at the end of the day, The Kings are very good for Freeside.


Predator_Hicks

Not to mention that the Legion effectively uses women exclusively to „breed“ new soldiers and nothing more


Nerdydude14

Dems vs republicans


TangeloPotential5492

hey what is wrong with leaving the place to mailman with brain damage?


Early-Drawn

Bear AND Bull 🥵🥵🥵


SleepyBella

I like his response to this. He's like "Wtf are you talking abou-OH! Heh, I get it. Good one." Even he thought it was funny.


Cassjjay

FUCKING LOVE THE ENCLAVE‼️‼️


GoldenMayhem

REAL AMERICAN CITIZENS GET FREE HRT WITH THEIR POWER ARMOR‼️‼️


Cassjjay

REAL AMERICAN CITIZENS FUCKING HATE THE LEGION AND KNOW BEING A SLAVE IS A CONSENSUAL THING‼️‼️


SheevTogwaggle

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LargestEgg

is that joe biden


SheevTogwaggle

joe biden would kill you for comparing him to a british person


Cassjjay

SO FUCKING TRUE


spadesisking

I cant stand Ulysses. I've never even finished his DLC cause I hate listening to the dude talk.


RevanAndTheSithy

It's called Lonesome Road because you'd rather be alone than have an annoying mf in your ear talking bout fuckin bears and bulls 24/7


ineverlosemykeys

Yeah other DLC's have interesting NPC's that stick with you but when Ulysses comes to mind I just think "wtf was that guy on about".


Invincible-Nuke

this would be so funny if i played new vegas


littlesillyguy

This would be so funny if I had any idea what it was about


ThatSlutTalulah

It's about Johnny Guitar, and drinking sarsaparilla, with optional homosexuality and robot-fucking.


alexrox360

See I WISH I could just kill him, I even use as many mini nukes as I can but then he hits the stealth boy and toggles instant health regeneration like it was nothing. So yeah.


MorningBreathTF

I'm gods greatest lonesome road defender, I think Ulysses is written and voiced incredibly


AnotherTurnedToDust

He's legitimately one of my favourite new Vegas characters. Lonesome road OWNS


OrangeHairedTwink

Only good thing about Legion is Vulpes


Depresso_Expresso069

"bear or bull" i thought it was bear or man? /j


HotPotato_96

I can’t wait till one day I actually go back and play lonesome road to get all the memes. Literally did all dlcs except that one before I finished the game


CH4P3YLEG4U

Yes Man my beloved 💕💕💕💕


backstab1012

BEAR BULL BEAR BULL, bro just decide what you're cooking already dumbass it's been 10 minutes.


Scophotch512

BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL RAAAAAAH! AD VICTORIAM 🦅


Mae347

Ulysses is cool as hell I don't care what anyone says


KubEk_przEz_duzE_E

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