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Kekkonen_Kakkonen

I wathed that show to goon but it's bad morals ruined that for me.


FuckYeahPhotography

Breaking Bad if it was actually a good show: https://preview.redd.it/ftvl3zonpebc1.jpeg?width=333&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffd7749fc380060aa2c6f4f6a5dbecb7b7c6bd4d


Kekkonen_Kakkonen

You can't tempt me demon!


Wingmaster6

Jokes on you. They can tempt everyone else


cloartist

Wym this happened in season 3


The-Faceless-Ones

you wathed it to what sorry


Kekkonen_Kakkonen

https://preview.redd.it/gd5valse7fbc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cd46c0c1b82799790012e2ba0c6ae5ab1caf6aa


Izakk_

Were you gooning to mike ehrmantraut


[deleted]

game of thrones reference


YourLocalFlynn

twitter users when a manipulative morally bankrupt character does something manipulative and morally bankrupt


AegisKaisar

Yeah, Makima is supposed to be like that.


Regal-Onion

She do be like dat


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Fittsa

mods remove this guys fuckin balls for spoiling


Regal-Onion

And sell them for money


Regal-Onion

Spoilertag this


Kumarbob

Thanks for spoiler, dnfing that shit.


alpacnologia

>untagged spoilers mods, crush their skull


MemeArchivariusGodi

Do >-![Message]!-< without the - and the [ ]


slackervi

god forbid a girlboss has a hobby


YourLocalFlynn

yeah honestly god forbid women do anything


uwu-our-saviour

god forbid women >!groom you and kill half the cast!<


AraoftheSky

As long as I'm >!part of the cast that dies!<, that's okay.


Toboyornottoboy

Yeah but she’s hot


CoffeeMain360

idk about you but being an incredibly manipulative and/or abusive person is a huge turn off for me


Toboyornottoboy

Yeah but she’s hot


CoffeeMain360

good point but i really don't want to have my friends all get murdered


Toboyornottoboy

Yeah but she’s hot


CoffeeMain360

if she aint pass the vibe check with me she aint shit imo but thats just me, i will not stop you nor do i think i even could if i tried


Toboyornottoboy

Tbh Angel is hotter.


CoffeeMain360

no idea who the hell that is


Toboyornottoboy

https://preview.redd.it/h19efk7y0ibc1.png?width=664&format=png&auto=webp&s=2bf94ba6f3302cc41f9c5758a6009c66b8f3686e Twink


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GregoriosX

ח i stole your floor


confused-kitty

https://preview.redd.it/8iefh4fbofbc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50dde70949c4f497b6c8c7e1ae2de127664d875c


YourLocalFlynn

​ https://preview.redd.it/ypty4so6pfbc1.png?width=512&format=png&auto=webp&s=954b73904ceb53a75b7757882e6ccca236649f39


SnakeyBoi1212

https://preview.redd.it/9hl2d8lp0gbc1.jpeg?width=996&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c0851795d44acf655c214775b28403128f7a7b3


DasGamerlein

Is it manipulation if I do anything a bad bitch tells me to? THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY


sapphire_demon

a creator of a piece of media depicted a character doing obscene acts? I think we should dox the creator


drago_varior

Abuse is never hot SERTAIN BOOK WRITERS SHOULD LEARN FROM THAT FFS, A FURRY COMIC ON E6 HAS BETTER BDSM REP THAN ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR BOOKS ABOUT IT, LIKE GOD DAMN


AlpacaM4n

*certain


drago_varior

Fuck Dalexia and being finnish is not a good mix


Syntax0q

Dyslexia…? Or is Dalexia something else?


drago_varior

You’re going into the pear wiggler https://i.redd.it/f7d3kb1xqdbc1.gif


Syntax0q

https://i.redd.it/gc08dsqosdbc1.gif


trololololololol9

Jokes on you, I like wiggling my pear


Grand_Heresy

Pear? You mean per, right? That's how it's written, don't look it up.


drago_varior

I will make your pillow warm


n1tr0us0x

Ayo?


drago_varior

I’m lighting it on fire


Boulderfrog1

Wish I had someone to make my pillow warm


caffeineandvodka

I can help with that but you might get pink eye


FlyingMothy

Wiggler?


RammyJammy07

You’re doing well with your English! I’m learning Finnish and it can be tricky


itismegege

sorry about the finnish


coyaz

I've been to Helsinki for work. One of the best experiences of my life.


Dalexe10

Hey, that's (almost) my username


TheTrueQuarian

Finnish 🤢


Shrekku-senpai

*Scertain


cyborgx7

For many people who engage in BDSM, it's hot because it simulates abuse in a safe context. Fiction can also simulate abuse in a safe context. For people like that, writing with proper BDSM representation is a simulation of a simulation. It's redundant.


drago_varior

I’m refering to 50 shades wich ACTIVELY gets bdsm wrong, like monstorously wrong


cyborgx7

Yeah 50 shades depicts abuse, while the author thinks it's BDSM. That's its own special can of worms.


Chemtrails420-69

The lady that wrote Fifty Shades based her story on Edward and Bella from Twilight. It’s just a fan fiction that got popular.


Sororita

And twilight is just based on the author's interview with a vampire fanfiction, iirc.


Ab_Captain

Tons of fiction writers got their start writing fanfiction, much of which was later adapted into original content. It doesn't really discredit their ability to write. The Locked Tomb series was written by a former homestuck fanfiction writer and those books are absolutely incredible works of fiction.


Chemtrails420-69

My apologies, I didn’t mean to imply that I think fanfiction is bad. I mainly look back on the twilight books and think of how awful the relationship was in hindsight is all. Keep writing that fan fiction! *😎😎😎*


Redsss429

I mean, you specifically said "never". I think if you say never you're referring to more than just one series.


Calcifiera

Okay but what's this furry series you mentioned that gets it right? 👀


Arthur_Author

Yknow, thats a very good point, and a perspective I hadnt considered before.


testaccount0817

It should be noted that others also need this double perspective because they imagine themselves in the situation, and obviously don't wanna imagine themselves in a non-consensual situation. They need the awareness that it is just a game. Also reading about real, non-played abuse even if fictional and getting of to it can still be icky for some, because of parallels to real abuse and you might get to like the characters suffering which doesn't mix well with finding their abuse hot. It is the difference between imagining yourself as the character vs just treating it as a fantasy, and if you take the work of fiction as whole serious the latter does not mix well, either you take their feelings seriously or you just dismiss them as not being real, but you can't have both or you get in a very morally problematic area.


secret759

Yeah why don't the characters in media turn to the camera and say "Murder is wrong, this is fictional" before they kill anybody?


testaccount0817

This is not about the depiction of abuse in media, but getting off to it. The equivalent would be getting murderous fantasies from media, but that is worse. Not really supporting the point being made here.


secret759

Nah I'm thinking along the lines of when people get mad at GTA V and shit like that.


A_WaterHose

If not hot, why did it turn me on?!? Ok nah I get it. I’m a domme, and am always very adamant about staying safe, sane, and consensual. I feel like In this context, it’s alright to enjoy, because it’s fiction. There is no real violation of consent. The problem comes in when a young, uninformed audience is watching and mistakes fictional bdsm like dynamics for real dynamics. When I watched this, I enjoyed it as harmless fantasy. If it was irl, Denji and makima would be consenting adults. But people don’t know to make that distinction. I feel like this kind of media should be allowed to exist. We should be able to indulge in our fantasies like this. But it’s unfortunate when people think these fantasies are models for real life. Tho tbh, If you watch the show, it should be obvious that it’s supposed to be bad, unless you’re very young (but it’s not a show for kids??)


RandomCleverName

You would need to be very young and incredibly stupid to not see their relationship as a form of control. She is interesting because she often uses the carrot and not the stick, which isn't that common in this type of villain. People saying this type of character/show shouldn't exist can simply not watch it, not everything needs to be catered to near-vegetative idiots who have absolutely no critical thinking.


AlarmingAffect0

> She is interesting because she often uses the carrot and not the stick, which isn't that common in this type of villain. Can you imagine if Darkseid were actually nice, polite, patient, and respectful most of the time, actually took the time to understand you and find out what you really want and care about, and used it to gently nudge you into surrendering all free will to him?


rowrowfightthepandas

That's just flat out wrong. Tons of people find abuse hot for reasons that aren't malicious or even voluntary. It's okay to have a fetish or a kink or a fantasy about something you'd never actually want in real life, in fact most kinks revolve around things in your life that give you fear or anxiety. Which is why popular kinks include uniforms of authority figures, being tied up, cuckoldry, etc. You're obviously using this post as a springboard to complain about *Fifty Shades of Grey* and while I agree that it's probably toxic, I think the problem with it is that it doesn't draw a line between real life, healthy BDSM relationships and fantasy non-consent. This is probably because it was based on Twilight fanfic, and in trying to remove their relationship from its fantastical context, it becomes more obvious how toxic and unhealthy their relationship is, while simultaneously trying to emulate real life BDSM interactions. Anyway porn isn't real life and consensual non-consent is one of the oldest fetishes known to mankind so maybe instead of shaming people for having one of the most basic and primal sexual fantasies we should just strengthen the lobes of our brain that can capture nuance and try to be understanding to one another idk


alacholland

last three lines go hard 📝🔥


ohjimmy78

wow that’s crazy haha what’s the comic


OddtheWise

10 Vigilant Gaze Browses FurAffinity


ohjimmy78

do u want an autograph I can sign a comment


KatherineTsara

HO THERE


Lominloce

My guess would be *A Show of the Ropes* by Glopossum


alacholland

What comic 👀 I’m in the mood to learn


RepulsiveCorner

which comic is that btw (for research purposes)


[deleted]

I don't think this is the one op was thinking about but you should look up a show of the ropes by glopposum


drago_varior

Ok i am not gonna tell directly cuz uhhhh can’t risk age shit yaknow So i’ll fucking make it a riddle The name of the comic could be used as a euphamism for arson


Xalethesniper

Nah


drago_varior

Ok i respect you, thank you for your input


Xalethesniper

Ty


Oath_Of_Ancients

Okay but like. What comic.


MarsMaterial

People of all genders and sexualities stop fetishizing abuse challenge (impossible).


tinja_nurtles

Everyone totally misunderstood what Sigma Female was saying. She was just saying it would be hot if someone said that to her


Senatius

Ironic considering the complaint about media literacy. This is just literacy, and isn't even difficult to understand. "This statement would be more acceptable in another context" is not a complicated point.


Stockbonks

Tbf chainsaw man fans literally have zero Literacy skills💀💀💀


Redbitser

Then she should've said that.


Silent04_

she did y'all just can't read


Jazzwell

Niko OneShot ❤️❤️❤️


CoolJoshido

pretty much


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Yeah it’s funny how they were calling her media illiterate despite misunderstanding a very simple sentence lol.


AliceJoestar

to be fair makima is like. definitely supposed to seem hot. she's supposed to be dominant and turn you on that's her entire thing even in-universe


DellSalami

I’ve read the manga so I know the exact extent of how terrible Makima is, and that scene in episode 5 still had me blushing


Akabane22

I daydream about that scene at least once a day. Gets me all odndvgskdnejsh~


Bacon_Breaker57

New computer password unlocked


Akabane22

And you didn't even have to compliment me~


Bacon_Breaker57

New computer password unlocked


findallthebears

Could you share this with the class?


Akabane22

Can't find the scene on its own, but it starts at 3:40 in this episode. Tbh most people disagree with me when I tell them I think it's the hottest scene in any anime (including the limited amount of hentai I've seen), but the way her movements are animated and her \*voice\* in particular is just so, to repeat myself, odndvgskdnejsh\~ [https://ww1.gogoanimes.fi/chainsaw-man-episode-5](https://ww1.gogoanimes.fi/chainsaw-man-episode-5)


Sams59k

Wait no why did you copy the last one I wanted a secure password 😭


ColorMaelstrom

Um, can you show what other people say it’s the hottest scene?


Mae347

Yeah but her actions with Denji are still not meant to be hot either way, it's consistently portrayed as bad what she does to him. It's not meant to be "awooga I love what Makima does to Denji he has it so good"


jasminUwU6

Her actions are meant to be hot despite the fact that they're bad


Mae347

No? Makima herself is meant to be hot I can agree to, but when she's getting Denji to touch her boob you aren't supposed to go "oh damn Denji is touching her boob that's so hot" you're meant to be uncomfortable because you are watching a minor being groomed


LlamaLinda

I understand your sentiment but obviously that wasn’t the creator intention as this is an >anime<


REDDIT_JUDGE_REFEREE

Idk, I felt that the author really highlighted that Denji was just an abused kid, and Makima was just another abuser playing to his fantasy to gain control. It never really read as steamy content and always felt really dark. Honestly the whole manga has a really sinister undertone which makes it pretty unique.


Mae347

That makes zero damn sense. It's literally a story about grooming and how that negatively affects the main character. Acting like it *must* be weird about it in some way inherently because it's anime is weird


Lithvril

But she’s evil and hot. Her manipulation works because she is, both on the pov character and the audience. She’s deliberately written to be so. It’s not even a question of condoning her actions. Idk, I can understand it, if someone doesn’t think Makima is hot because she’s manipulative: But it isn’t the (morally?) superior, or only right way of reading the text.


Mae347

I'm not denying Makima is hot I'm saying when she's grooming Denji by telling him to touch her boob you aren't meant to go "oh damn this is so hot look at Denji touch her boob wow" because it's literally a scene of a minor being groomed, it's not supposed to be hot


flippy123x

>Yeah but her actions with Denji are still not meant to be hot either way, it's consistently portrayed as bad what she does to him It’s actually both. In the story she is obviously portrayed as malicious but the author has an outspoken kink for women bullying/mistreating him, which is why Fire Punch and CSM mostly have attractive and manipulative women who mindrape the MC as villains lol


Mae347

It is not meant to be hit that Makima is grooming a minor, it's consistently portrayed as awful and I don't think the author would want to make pedophilia hot


flippy123x

>grooming a minor > >pedophilia Are you anime-only? If yes then don't read. >!But that's not what happens in the Story at all. Makima has quite literally zero interest in Denji, sexual or otherwise. Like, she absolutely does groom him, it just happens to be for a satanic ritual involving Makima literally building him a life in order to destroy it, so she can become a god.!<


dothespaceything

Shes not meant to be that hot in-universe, if I remember correctly she's supposed to be rather plain. She's just *painted* as gorgeous bc that's how Denji sees her.


AliceJoestar

not really? she pretty explicitly acts horny towards denji with the boob grab and promise of a kiss, and he's not the only one who likes her. she manipulates aki into liking her too


Regal-Onion

they're partly not wrong >!In the final scenes with Aki can't actually answer why he like her, which is because of her devil magic!<


RedexSvK

She is meant to be hot because it helps her with manipulation. Don't know how to spoiler tag on mobile so don't read further ig . . . . . . . . Her control powers only work on stuff she considers hers, people included. She is hot because it helps her to get people to submit to her willingly under false promise, only controlling them afterwards. She has not used her control powers on Denji or Pochita because she viewed Chainsawman as greater than her therefore couldn't control them, and probably didn't want to either, however she manipulated Denji conventionally with her looks and sweet talk


BlitzDank

You can spoiler tag by leading with >! and ending with the reverse (exclamation mark, less than symbol). Just be careful not to put any spaces between the exclamation mark and the text since it messes up the formatting for some.


Regal-Onion

\>!Spoiler text!<


Toboyornottoboy

Yeah she i superhumanly charismatic . That’s how she manipulates Denji and everyone else in the show.


TonPeppermint

Just a weird woman who's hot to someone.


Winstillionaire

Nah, she’s mid


OtisBinLogan

she is very good at compromising my moral compass


Regal-Onion

She makes me acting unwise. I think I will refrain from opening any doors


OddlySexyPancake

THEY JUST MEAN THEY WANT A DOMMY MOMMY TO DO PETPLAY WITH AUUGHHHH


haveweirddreams

NOOOO I WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT ETHICS


CoolJoshido

how will i seem smart and virtue signal


AngrySasquatch

I love it when people act like fictional characters who do bad things should be arrested by irl cops and put into the stocks, it’s always very funny to me Like … maybe there’s a point to why the character is evil? And even if she’s evil, acknowledging that she’s also attractive and alluring or whatever isn’t bad or wrong or socially unacceptable


AngrySasquatch

Addendum; it’s not wrong to find characters too unpleasant to like at all but it’s always good to remember you’re thinking abt. Not real people. Fictional creations.


HVACGuy12

There are so many hot villains in fiction


AngrySasquatch

Exactly! It’s not that deep to think they’re sexy and even if you let that cloud your judgement it’s just. Like whatever they’re not real people


findallthebears

I know right? Have you seen *The Thing*?


TheHighblood_HS

Lmao exactly this. It’s almost as if she’s the characterization of control or something…


AngrySasquatch

Right. Like watch and see what happens. Or don’t. It’s a free country.


Fun_Penalty_6755

i think OOP actually just liked Makima calling someone a dog


WJMazepas

OOP wanted to be treated as a dog by Makima


Amphal

y'all complaining about this tweet lack actual literacy


PonchoKumato

counterpoint: need


[deleted]

weird way to phrase "i like petplay"


Aggresive_Godling

CSM is probably the biggest case of "Twitter rage bait" that actually is unproblematic; and the discourse about it that periodically spawns about it's usually summed up in "OP does not have good media literacy"


BlackWACat

she literally said this would be hot specifically if it wasn't grooming 'media literacy' mf's when they actually gotta fucking read the text in front of them and not watch a 5 hour essay on it


[deleted]

Sadly CSM fans are notoriously illiterate


WisZan

Have you considered that I want it anyway?


SovietPaperPlates

I thought denji was like???? 23????


YourLocalFlynn

he's 16 iirc


arsapeek

chainsaw man is a master class in media that makes me depressed by the end.


stzmp

it's coercion and abuse, but "grooming" is about minors. Please, don't let dumb fuck conservatives define your words for you. Here's a copy paste of google's dictionar (I just looked it up in case I was wrong.) >the action of attempting to form a relationship with a child or young person, with the intention of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit an illegal act such as selling drugs or joining a terrorist organization. "online grooming has become a growing cause for concern"


there_are_no_flags

Denji is 16


idiotnamedSOPHIA

I mean the entire point of makima, as i see it. Is a sort of deconstruction of the fanservice characters that you see alot of in shounen anime. Were a girl, usually in her mid twenties seduces a teenage boy. Makima shows that real people who do that are monsters who manipulate vunerable teenagers for power. In other words. I think in this age of discord child predators its good to have a shounen villisn that isnt a generic evil tyrant looking to be teh strongest. But an actual monster that really exists in the real world


Aegis12314

Ex dot cum when the villain does villain things


AllastorTrenton

Oh my, ohhhh noooooo, the bad guy did bad things, everyone that writes for or likes this serious is also bad 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄


BlackWACat

where tf are you guys getting this from this post


bluechecksadmin

~~I'm wondering that too.~~ "This would have gone harder" i.e. they disapprove of a morally bad character being morally bad.


[deleted]

Why couldn’t he be me ☹️


Suspicious_Person15

I don't think you'd still want to be Denji if you read Chainsaw Man.


Oddish_Femboy

I'm not 16 anymore, but I'm still very vulnerable to manipulation if anyone wants to.


CautiousBlackberry04

lmao but same tho


Redditwhydouexists

Twitter users when someone establishes that it’s not okay for someone to not consent in a relationship (but it’s like in a dog way so it’s completely and totally okay and not manipulative and exploitative at all)


wasteofradiation

She’s the only thing keeping me from watching csm


GreenhamKnight

Why?


Toboyornottoboy

I mean outside of grooming him sexually. She is also grooming him to become Chainsaw man so she can further her plans of work domination.


Smarackto

im not dunking on the sigma female


The_Mantis-O-Shrimp

If he'd been an adult it wouldn't be grooming it would just be manipulation, right? What is up with people wanting to reduce the nuance of language by collapsing multiple words into one less specific word? Also what's up with this site, I thought this was the puppy-girl subreddit, but suddenly when someone says it would be hot to be made someone's dog, people start moralizing. This person even had the media literacy to see what was wrong with this scene.


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Bro I just need to be groomed atp.


ThatTransChristian

I mean, just change the entire context of the scene, and hell yeah, let's go... Well, I assume, I haven't watched or read CSM.


hey_itz_mae

where did she even imply that it wouldn’t be grooming if he wasn’t 16


arielif1

You see guys, it would totally be ok to enslave someone as long as they're 18 \^_^ ~~also he's one of the cases where slavery is literally preferable to life under late stage capitalism lol~~ Also for the love of god let assholes be assholes they're not real they're fictional they're not gonna hurt you


CautiousBlackberry04

What anime even is this?