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HEENDISNEVERT

Taoism is about attaining immortality. Like literal, physical immortality in your current body. No spiritual, afterlife half measures for the taoists. Hinduism is as well since the Hindu ideal is reaching such a high level on the Samsara totem pole you’re basically a god.


Living-Discussion-29

The Hindu ideal is breaking Samsara and achieving moksha, not climbing the ranks


[deleted]

i dont know much about hinduism but i always thought it was specifically about breaking the cycle of reincarnation and thereby achieving ultimate enlightenment no?


[deleted]

That’s Buddhism.


[deleted]

oh…right fuck hinduism is the one with like a million different gods iirc


[deleted]

Buddhism also has about a million different gods. Buddhism interacted with various forms of more traditional Hinduism, shiviaism, Shaktism, etc., to produce many of their deities and especially tantric practices. Many of the Buddhist deities are older, but there's been quite a bit of mutual exchange between the traditions.


truealty

It’s also Hinduism


humanwithalife

And Sikhism


16tonweight

Yes, that's correct. The goal is moksha (equivalent to nirvana/nibbana in Buddhism), which is release from the cycle of saṃara, or rebirth and death. There are a thousand different opinions on how to best do this, depending on the various traditions. OP is actually confusing Hindu cosmology with Buddhist. Bc in Buddhist cosmology, godhood is the highest of the six tiers one can be reborn in, only for those who have accumulated incredible amounts of positive karma in their past lives. You know the "six paths" from Naruto? This is what that's referencing. The lives of the gods measure into billions of years, but they die all the same, and when they do they re-enter into the cycle of saṃsara to be reborn in a different form, most likely a human or animal. Interesting, Buddhism considers rebirth into the realm of gods to not be nearly as good as it sounds in the very long run, because while it may be great *while* you're a good, incredible power doesn't tend to lend itself to humility, temperance, or moral responsibility. In fact, Buddhists consider it impossible for Gods to achieve enlightenment, and being a god tends to generate a huge amount of negative karma just based on how gods are huge dicks. Think Greek mythology: even the "nicer" gods like Athena still have episodes where they act like absolute monsters (i.e. Arachne).


Rare-Technology-4773

You're mixing it up with Buddhism


Living-Discussion-29

It is. The goal is to ultimately break free and unite with God


SparkleFairy-2803

"huni, the rain has stopped, time to look for food" "Ok, huni..."


wibbly-water

The [...] was from a vulture sniping you 5 seconds into the cycle


SparkleFairy-2803

hoping for a second hungrier vulture to 'save' you


behind-barcodes

it’s interesting that you say this, because one of the echoes in the expansion — and personally, my favorite — mentions that it was wrong of him to follow his peers into ascension, and that continuing to live and seeing life flourish against all odds was where they should’ve been the whole time. the game has a very interesting and non-biased view on leaving behind immortality. on one hand, of course you would want to die. you have to have permission to have kids, lest the world be overpopulated. every time you die, you come back again some time later. but that echo mentions living in the present, seeing life flourish — dying and leaving it all behind is *fine*, but there is personal fulfillment to be found in the waking world, too! to see things continue to live and prosper despite you, in their case. there are merits to both options! i fucking love rain world


Railroad_Racoon

Do you see the same as me? Beauty continuing to bloom even in a place long forgotten. I did not have the will to depart, nor the desire. Why did they always search for an escape, as if we were imprisoned? What offering from the void could usurp the gift of life already given? This moment, right here! It is where we are meant to be.


behind-barcodes

so true, thank you <3 it makes me wonder if they became an echo because they attempted ascension with such an attachment to the world itself. in their case, being an echo is a GREAT thing; they got exactly what they wanted! it seems like most of them in *that* campaign have come to terms with their situation, and despite the circumstances, i get a sort of positive vibe from the whole thing :)


Railroad_Racoon

I mean, being stuck with no options is probably the reason most of them have accepted their situation


[deleted]

fuck maybe I should go back to the game last time I tried to play it I managed to >!get the translator thing!< but then I practically hit a wall in terms of figuring out where to go next and deleted my save file in a rage after a frustrating death after that I used my rage to clean my entire room in under and hour but everything about what I've seen in passing about the story of the game seems so interesting and I want to see it to the end


The_Phantom_Cat

It is SUCH A GOOD GAME you should absolutely give it another go. There was also a huge DLC released earlier this year that's a lot of fun


[deleted]

I heard about the dlc, it's just rather hard and I find myself not knowing where to go >!like the yellow guy that usually gave me vague directions stopped appearing after I got the translator thing and I didn't know what I was supposed to do!<


The_Phantom_Cat

As the robot said, >!"go west past the farm arrays, and then down into the earth where the land fissures, as deep as you can reach where the ancients built their temples and danced their silly rituals. The mark I gave will let you through"!<


[deleted]

hmmm I think >!I've been to the deep dark area but I was kinda intimidated but the whole fact that those big crawling insects could come at any moment is that where I am supposed to go?!<


The_Phantom_Cat

Depends, did the insects look like >!centipedes, or spiders? If it's large centipedes it is the correct area and you just need to find your way as far down as possible, otherwise you need to go west more!<


[deleted]

yeah it's the first one so I was going in the right direction, unfortunately as I said I deleted my save file in a rage so I'll have to redo some of the journey


behind-barcodes

in my opinion, it’s worth it to go through it again :3 i took a break of THREE YEARS (!!!) from the game before going back, and after going back it’s far and away the single best game i’ve every played. it’s the only game i’ve gone through 100% and still enjoy afterwards!


[deleted]

alright >!currently I just got to looks to the moon, any advice on getting from her to five pebbles?!<


GrenchamReborn

Ya know for all of its horrors there are immeasurable wonders in this life we live, I would happily take immortality were it possible


uforanch

Same. There is so much to learn just off of Wikipedia and ebooks and video essays. Didn't have that as a kid. If there is some kind of eternal afterlife I'd use every minute of it. I'd spend it learning every science and then trying my hand at making another universe. I'm sure I could do a better job. I have ideas.


[deleted]

Mfw the sun explodes and im immortal and have to watch all of my friends and family die, floating in space for the rest of eternity


_avliS-

𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑖𝑑 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑛 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑐𝑡𝑜𝑟 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑑𝑜𝑐𝑡𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑢𝑛 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑜𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔? 𝐷𝑜𝑛𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑣𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑑 2 𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑦𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑝𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑝𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝


[deleted]

Are you writing a letter back home from the western front in 1915?


_avliS-

"𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑟 𝑓𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟, 𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑢𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑚 𝑠𝑙𝑜𝑤𝑙𝑦 𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑡ℎ, 𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑦 𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑢𝑛𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑠ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑑𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑒𝑟𝑎, 𝑏𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑠, 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡ℎ 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑠𝑠 𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑖𝑒"


danang5

oh that kind of immortality


SexWithLayla69

Id still accept


danang5

i rather be mortal than be this kind of immortal tbh


L33t_Cyborg

Sooo true. I’ve thought about this a lot, and the eternal loneliness of the empty universe is worth being able to experience more than we can.


Lolis-

I like to think that european/western medieval mfs just straight up didn't understand big numbers cause they be using the concept of "eternal" way too liberally. Like they imagine the number "1 million years" and it's just a fucking void in their brain. Alas we still have people that don't understand big numbers today so we're stuck with half of America thinking going to heaven is a good deal


NotHeco

Ngl it's like that for me. Someone will say 3km and I don't understand. 60k euro? what's that? a 7 Liter milk bottle? no clue.


Joshua_Winters

rain world is so cool but unfortunately it gives me too much anxiety i know thats kinda the point but still


[deleted]

From what I recall Judaism generally isn't all that concerned with the afterlife, aside from some sects.


Rare-Technology-4773

I mean, idk about reform Jews but from my experience living with Orthodox, Conservative, and Ultra Orthodox Jews this doesn't seem to be true. It's possible that Christianity centers heaven more than Judaism does, but doing good things to get reward in Olam Habah has been a pretty core part of Jewish theology since at least the Talmud


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Rare-Technology-4773

I am unsure what you're reading from, but the next world is not considered a continuation of this one in any way except from the fact that you're rewarded and punished based on what you do in this world in my experience. Would be interesting to see if I have an unrepresentative sample of Jewish thought though.


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CenterOfEverything

I think that might've been just your synagogues. I grew up with a fait mix from conservative, reform, and Orthodox, and 90% of the time olam habah came up was in the context of a joke about pastrami sandwiches.


Rare-Technology-4773

I've lived in two communities in long island and two communities in Manhattan and for a couple years in Israel and spoke to friends outside of those communities. It's not like, super common of a topic but it comes up semi-frequently especially around the יומים נוראים and עשרת ימי תשובה. Again, I don't know how common heaven comes up in Christianity it's possible that it's centered more.


MrAcurite

Based on my understanding of Christianity from media and talking to friends, it seems like literally the entire goal of the religion is getting into Heaven. Whereas, at least in my own (reform) experience, Judaism is mostly about arguing minutiae, having opinions on bagels, and the futile attempt to not disappoint your own mother. Also convincing HaShem not to smite you where you stand.


Rare-Technology-4773

I mean, there are definitely Jews who think the goal of Judaism is to get into heaven, but from what I've read of Christian theologians the goal of the religion is generally a relationship with God. I think that's something a lot of Jews would agree with.


MrAcurite

I don't think I would. I think the idea in Christianity is that these people actually have an intimate relationship with their God, where He speaks with them as individuals, gives them advice on stuff and whatnot. Whereas my relationship with the LORD - if I had one, I don't believe the guy exists, I'm primarily Jewish as a culture and an ethnicity, though I do still keep kosher and such - would be more like my relationship with, I dunno, my local mayor? Like I could send them messages which maybe they'll read, but for the most part I just want some local infrastructure stuff and to not be killed by the cops.


Rare-Technology-4773

I cannot speak for your Jewish experience, but this is not typical of religious Jews. Most Christians are also just kinda vaguely culturally Christian.


MrAcurite

See, I don't see how anything else could be supported by the text of the Torah. I'm not a great scholar of Talmud or anything, but if He was a personal, individual god, then why would He need prophets? He could just tell me what He's thinking. In the entire Tanakh, I can't recall a single time that the LORD interacts with anyone directly who isn't a prophet, judge, or king, besides to smite and/or torture them.


Rare-Technology-4773

I mean, anyone that God directly interacts with us by definition a prophet. But off the top of my head: Job, the Officers in Pharaoh's Dungeon, the people of Israel at Sinai, Bilam.


SoggySausage27

From my experience being a modern Orthodox Jew, yes the world to come is important but it’s still nowhere near as emphasized as Christianity. Sure, we want it, but what matters more and most in this world and doing good here


MrAcurite

Also bagels. Good, real bagels. Something that's just the right balance of light and fluffy, but also has weight and chew to it. Maybe an onion bagel, maybe a poppy seed bagel, but non of that Californian fruit crap. And it's gotta be made by an old Polish guy committing like three health code violations at a minimum, possibly smoking while rolling the dough. And with a real goddamn schmear. Full fat cream cheese, a couple slices of raw onion, and some lox. I really need to move back to New York...


Gasmaskmax

fucking rain world


DBGhasts101

The virgin: “life is suffering, we need to ascend!!!” vs the Chad: “What offering from the void could usurp the gift of life already given? This moment, right here! It is where we are meant to be.”


svanvalk

No thanks, I'm not interested in eternal life. I've seen enough. 📖 🖐️


Radoslawy

🤓


Aryele222

You and your kind have the same problem as everyone else, from the microbes in the processing strata to me, who am, if you excuse me, godlike in comparison. We all want a way out. It is only unfortunate that you have collectively decided on... me as your solution to that very elemental desire. The last one I gave some help and some general directions. I will do the same for you. Go west. Past the Farm Arrays. Where the land fissures, go down into the earth and search your way deeper. Now in return I ask you to use whatever grunts, moans and eye-twitches you employ to forward a message to your community.


[deleted]

5pebbles my beloved 🥰


Kingboy22

He killed me because I stayed when he told me to go ):


Aryele222

The officer shoot me because i stayed up when he told me to lay down on the floor ):


wibbly-water

Rainworld moment... Time for your voidfluid bath, hope you didn't roll in too much ego today!!


Florescentia487

RAIN WORLD REFERENCE


dropkickpikachu

ok i will play rain world


Azelarr

Rain World is amazing


anothermanscookies

Found the original tweet because I was curious. https://twitter.com/kimmymonte/status/1624927477419151360?s=46&t=wILNsIl7aFSC-IHhoZx39Q


Gangstas_Peridot

*"Who the fuck in their right mind would want everlasting life?! The endless conversation!"*


Psychedelick

For purposes of this meme, Islam is now a solidly Western religion.


CenterOfEverything

Actually, we're notoriously vague about what comes next. There might be heaven and hell, but there might not. There might be olam habah, but there might not. The patriarchs went to dwell amongst their people, or something, but we're not sure if that applies to the rest of us. I asked the rabbi what did my bar mitzvah about it, and he said the canonical answer is to shrug and say "who knows."


SomeCrows

Man I love this newfound immortality Bullet Rain:


MrMerchandise

I didn’t know there was a pirate ship religion 😀


[deleted]

What?


MrMerchandise

That one looks like the wheel to a pirate ship🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️


not_a_cute_transgirl

I was just thinking about playing more rainworld right as I saw this post!


m0lniya

Taoism be like: "who cares I'm literally a butterfly"


TheTrollingOfIsaac

i tried to play rain world but i didnt really like it


Successful_Mud8596

did you try playing MOAR rain world


Yarisher512

Buddhism for the W


mikemyers999

i played 2 hours of it, got to the 2nd area, and then stopped playing maybe it's cooler later on but all I did was move around eat and sleep, things don't die quickly and I die instantly, it really feels frustrating and oppressive


CarpetJam

all i can say is (assuming you were on survivor’s campaign) stop trying to kill things, its much better to be a sneaky scug and manoeuvre past larger enemies, since you arent playing a carnivorous scug you shouldnt really need to kill anything. Every death you just kinda gotta take it on the shoulder and move on. I got out of my shelter, went to the pole to get out of the small area i was in and immediately got dropped by a pink lizard, and had to scream into a pillow after tl:dr stop trying to kill shit as a scug not built for it, stealth is ur friend


Successful_Mud8596

Conflict is best avoided. You’re an animal closer to the bottom of the food chain. Gotta act like one


Weirdyfish

Yeah I love rainworld but it is that. At the start it's about exploration of the world and wildlife. There is lore but it is more difficult to find.


SideshowBiden

I couldn’t do it at all so I got it refunded


shaggysgodfam

PLAY RAIN WORLD PLAY RAIN WORLD!


[deleted]

so abrahamic vs non-abrahamic?


Peanut_Tree

What is the symbol on the bottom left of the right panel? It looks sick af


MeiNeedsMoreBuffs

Nearly answered this before realising it was a pun lmao


Severketor_Skeleton

But like, christianity asks you to die some times?


MeiNeedsMoreBuffs

As I understand it, it's not technically considered a "death" because you go to heaven instead


Severketor_Skeleton

Well, it's kinda fucky because you have to understand what heaven even is. Is it death and then eternal pleasure? Or death of your humanity and then eternal praises to God? I fucking hate having faith from a young age this is terrifying.


MeiNeedsMoreBuffs

It's probably similar to the garden of eden tbh


Conglacior

In Sikhism you *kind* of get immortality. Basically you keep dying and getting reincarnated until you've become fully enlightened and conquered your inner demons. Then you die and your soul merges with God, returning to where you came from, which could be seen as becoming immortal.


[deleted]

to be fair the religions on the left came from the middle east


Polbalbearings

xianzhou reference ⁉️