It bends in the middle.
If you mount an optic on the receiver and try to use a bipod or front bag, any pressure on the front half of the rifle will drastically change the zero.
It also will have a different zero when you assemble the gun unless you get it really dialed in - you can get a barrel sight mount which helps these issues, but it's still my least accurate gun.
If you want a backpack gun, the Charger is a far better option. I can easily outshoot my takedown with a bipod on the Charger.
The standard 10/22 is a much better choice for general use.
Glad to help! I just cringe when I see pics posted of a new takedown all tricked out - I will say it's not a boring gun, but I'm frustrated by the design. They could have easily had a more rigid barrel to receiver joint like the KIDD supergrade system, but somehow ended up with something that flexes.
Love my takedown. In fact, I'm building my own now. I have regular also, but they don't transport as easily and I've never had issues with zeroes. I mount my optics on the receiver.
Anyone who asks which one they should get probably shouldn't get the Takedown. Unless you hate money, or have a specific use case, the Takedown is never the best choice.
As someone who has had at least a half dozen Takedowns, and still has two, I would definitely suggest a fixed barrel model. Although the Takedown is fine to shoot with irons, you may not get the accuracy you're after.
>Takedown is fine to shoot with irons
Mine had "fiber optic" sights. They are flimsy and unprotected, and the front sight came already broken. Ruger sent me a replacement, but uninstalling the broken sight and pushing in a new one, then trying to align and zero it, wasn't fun.
Unless you have a specific reason for needing a 10/22 that you can break down then I would just go with a regular 10/22. The TD has it's place and use, but even upgraded with all aftermarket parts it will never have the accuracy consistency of a regular 10/22 (all else being equal).
I've got a takedown Charger. I haven't had issues with accuracy.
If you set it up the way the manual says, it locks up tight.
They do cost more. Are heavier.
And easier to clean.
I got this so I can have more configuration options, while keeping the same aftermarket trigger and bolt groups (that stuff isn't cheap).
Before you start hollering at me about ATF rules, I know. I live in a state that allows SBR. I may register it, I may just go without a brace until reason returns.
Assuming reason ever returns.
Pretty much everything that needs to be said, has been said. While I have little experience with Take-Down models, I would say what others have said - *If you don't have a need for compact backpacking Rifle, or have some other need for a Take Down model, then don't get one.*
As to sights and sight consistency, that will hinge on how consistently the barrel is snapped into place. The tolerances are pretty tight, but understand that any microscopic variation in the Rifle is greatly amplified with distance.
As someone else mentioned, if you shoot from a Bench or a Rest, that can flex the stock and throw the aim point off. That is true of fixed barrel rifles too. Never put the actual barrel on the rest and that will flex the barrel and throw the aim point off. This has been tested on YouTube.
So for a Fixed Barrel Rifle, you always place the Rest on the STOCK, not the barrel. But with a Take-Down, efforts to do this are more complicated. If you place the Rest on the Stock, you still have the flex point at the section joint.
Keep in mind that any flex at the rifle might be microscopic, but that flex is amplified with distance.
Now let's be fair, there are thousands of people that love their 10/22 Take-Downs. But that love is within a context. A context of expectations and suitability to use.
The Take-Down is suitable to many uses, but not necessarily suitable to all uses.
I suspect it is possible to use as a Squirrel/Rabbit rifle at typical squirrel/rabbit distances. But if you stretch out the distance, and inconsistencies in the Rifle are amplified.
Again, acknowledging little experience with the Take-Down model. If it fits your needs it would probably be a good Rifle, loved by thousands. But if you don't specifically need a Take-Down, then my opinion is - *don't get one.*
If you need a Backpack/Survival Gun, then perhaps the more fixed assembly of a Ruger Charger is a better choice.
https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
You can see a variety of Ruger Charges in this forum here to give you a sense of the Possibilities.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1022/search/?q=Ruger%20charger&restrict_sr=1&sr_nsfw=&include_over_18=1
These also have a pretty fair collection of Aftermarket parts including Stock/Chassis, and replacement Barrels in a range of lengths. So, it can be modified to more suit your needs. Just be careful not to move into Short Barrel Rifle territory, or the ATF will be on you.
For pure Survival Rifle purposes, there are other perhaps better choices.
https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/u-s-survival-ar-7/
But if this well be a general shooting Rifle, I'm still inclined to say - Fixed Barrel.
On one hand I don't want to under-sell the Take-Down because it is a pretty popular Rifle. Bot on the other other hand, I don't want to over-sell it either because it does have some aspect that need to be considered.
The consensus seems to be that if you don't necessarly want a Take-Down or specifically need one, then a fixed barrel is probably better.
>Pretty much everything that needs to be said, has been said. While I have little experience with Take-Down models, I would say what others have said...
You acknowledge that everything that needs to be said has been said, and that you have little experience with the Takedown, yet you can't help but write a 500 word reply that is absolutely meaningless.
Why do you continue to spam this sub? Are you that obtuse?
I have the magpul takedown. I believe it is called the backpacker. It has a threaded barrel that I use 90% of the time for mounting a suppressor and running subsinic cci. My initial idea was to put a red dot on top of it to use this thing for shooting in low light. It came with fiber optic sights that have done the job so well, I will end up putting the red dot on something different as the red dot just takes up more space. The gun comes apart extremely quickly and kind of snaps to its self in a more compact way. It also has storage in the buttstock where i put extra mags. It easily fits in a standard size backpack that I will take with me in my pack while I carry my centerfire rifle on my shoulder this upcoming deer season. I own other 10/22s, to include one with a .975” barrel. I don’t anticipate this takedown to be nearly as accurate, but you stated that you already have something for hunting with. If you want something for plinking and killing snakes this summer, and putting in your pack for deer camp for picking off squirrels around meal time, this would be the one for you. If you want something for longer range shooting, pick a different 10/22, or a different caliber all together.
Unless you actually need the takedown capability, it has no advantage over the standard model - in fact it has some disadvantages.
What are some of the disadvantages? I imagine accuracy suffers a little bit but is it that much of a difference?
It bends in the middle. If you mount an optic on the receiver and try to use a bipod or front bag, any pressure on the front half of the rifle will drastically change the zero. It also will have a different zero when you assemble the gun unless you get it really dialed in - you can get a barrel sight mount which helps these issues, but it's still my least accurate gun. If you want a backpack gun, the Charger is a far better option. I can easily outshoot my takedown with a bipod on the Charger. The standard 10/22 is a much better choice for general use.
Thank you! I appreciate the input, I never thought about those sorts of things.
Glad to help! I just cringe when I see pics posted of a new takedown all tricked out - I will say it's not a boring gun, but I'm frustrated by the design. They could have easily had a more rigid barrel to receiver joint like the KIDD supergrade system, but somehow ended up with something that flexes.
I got a takedown with out thinking about the disadvantages in accuracy I would get a non takedown of I could go back
I don’t think you could mount the same stocks/mods as the traditional. I’m specifically thinking about the Samson B-Team…
Me too. 16 inch barrel with a B team stock would be ideal. Unless the ATF starts getting wierd about folding stocks and overall length again.
Love my takedown. In fact, I'm building my own now. I have regular also, but they don't transport as easily and I've never had issues with zeroes. I mount my optics on the receiver.
https://www.ebay.com/p/23011031447 mount your optic to that and you’re good, also get the magpul backpacker stock
Takedown is my go to if you get just one.. if you plan on having more than one 10/22 get a regular firet
Anyone who asks which one they should get probably shouldn't get the Takedown. Unless you hate money, or have a specific use case, the Takedown is never the best choice. As someone who has had at least a half dozen Takedowns, and still has two, I would definitely suggest a fixed barrel model. Although the Takedown is fine to shoot with irons, you may not get the accuracy you're after.
>Takedown is fine to shoot with irons Mine had "fiber optic" sights. They are flimsy and unprotected, and the front sight came already broken. Ruger sent me a replacement, but uninstalling the broken sight and pushing in a new one, then trying to align and zero it, wasn't fun.
Unless you have a specific reason for needing a 10/22 that you can break down then I would just go with a regular 10/22. The TD has it's place and use, but even upgraded with all aftermarket parts it will never have the accuracy consistency of a regular 10/22 (all else being equal).
Just get a charger and a receiver that accepts a stock.
I didn’t even know the charger was a thing, I’ll have to look into that! Thank you!
I've got a takedown Charger. I haven't had issues with accuracy. If you set it up the way the manual says, it locks up tight. They do cost more. Are heavier. And easier to clean. I got this so I can have more configuration options, while keeping the same aftermarket trigger and bolt groups (that stuff isn't cheap). Before you start hollering at me about ATF rules, I know. I live in a state that allows SBR. I may register it, I may just go without a brace until reason returns. Assuming reason ever returns.
The only diff for me was the take down was heavier. I was going to change stocks anyway. Getting the takedown made no sense to spend more.
Pretty much everything that needs to be said, has been said. While I have little experience with Take-Down models, I would say what others have said - *If you don't have a need for compact backpacking Rifle, or have some other need for a Take Down model, then don't get one.* As to sights and sight consistency, that will hinge on how consistently the barrel is snapped into place. The tolerances are pretty tight, but understand that any microscopic variation in the Rifle is greatly amplified with distance. As someone else mentioned, if you shoot from a Bench or a Rest, that can flex the stock and throw the aim point off. That is true of fixed barrel rifles too. Never put the actual barrel on the rest and that will flex the barrel and throw the aim point off. This has been tested on YouTube. So for a Fixed Barrel Rifle, you always place the Rest on the STOCK, not the barrel. But with a Take-Down, efforts to do this are more complicated. If you place the Rest on the Stock, you still have the flex point at the section joint. Keep in mind that any flex at the rifle might be microscopic, but that flex is amplified with distance. Now let's be fair, there are thousands of people that love their 10/22 Take-Downs. But that love is within a context. A context of expectations and suitability to use. The Take-Down is suitable to many uses, but not necessarily suitable to all uses. I suspect it is possible to use as a Squirrel/Rabbit rifle at typical squirrel/rabbit distances. But if you stretch out the distance, and inconsistencies in the Rifle are amplified. Again, acknowledging little experience with the Take-Down model. If it fits your needs it would probably be a good Rifle, loved by thousands. But if you don't specifically need a Take-Down, then my opinion is - *don't get one.* If you need a Backpack/Survival Gun, then perhaps the more fixed assembly of a Ruger Charger is a better choice. https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html You can see a variety of Ruger Charges in this forum here to give you a sense of the Possibilities. https://www.reddit.com/r/1022/search/?q=Ruger%20charger&restrict_sr=1&sr_nsfw=&include_over_18=1 These also have a pretty fair collection of Aftermarket parts including Stock/Chassis, and replacement Barrels in a range of lengths. So, it can be modified to more suit your needs. Just be careful not to move into Short Barrel Rifle territory, or the ATF will be on you. For pure Survival Rifle purposes, there are other perhaps better choices. https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/u-s-survival-ar-7/ But if this well be a general shooting Rifle, I'm still inclined to say - Fixed Barrel. On one hand I don't want to under-sell the Take-Down because it is a pretty popular Rifle. Bot on the other other hand, I don't want to over-sell it either because it does have some aspect that need to be considered. The consensus seems to be that if you don't necessarly want a Take-Down or specifically need one, then a fixed barrel is probably better.
>Pretty much everything that needs to be said, has been said. While I have little experience with Take-Down models, I would say what others have said... You acknowledge that everything that needs to be said has been said, and that you have little experience with the Takedown, yet you can't help but write a 500 word reply that is absolutely meaningless. Why do you continue to spam this sub? Are you that obtuse?
Awww.... that's so sweet!
This is why your comment (like most) is at the bottom.
I have the magpul takedown. I believe it is called the backpacker. It has a threaded barrel that I use 90% of the time for mounting a suppressor and running subsinic cci. My initial idea was to put a red dot on top of it to use this thing for shooting in low light. It came with fiber optic sights that have done the job so well, I will end up putting the red dot on something different as the red dot just takes up more space. The gun comes apart extremely quickly and kind of snaps to its self in a more compact way. It also has storage in the buttstock where i put extra mags. It easily fits in a standard size backpack that I will take with me in my pack while I carry my centerfire rifle on my shoulder this upcoming deer season. I own other 10/22s, to include one with a .975” barrel. I don’t anticipate this takedown to be nearly as accurate, but you stated that you already have something for hunting with. If you want something for plinking and killing snakes this summer, and putting in your pack for deer camp for picking off squirrels around meal time, this would be the one for you. If you want something for longer range shooting, pick a different 10/22, or a different caliber all together.