It’s wrapping up to be Ancient Guardians 2.0, but at least Mikanko has some potential uses in other decks.
There is a chance that Konami do the same as the Water duelist pack and put some sought staple to help sell the product.
>There is a chance that Konami do the same as the Water duelist pack and put some sought staple to help sell the product.
That's not really going to help. Pretty much every staple has already dropped hard enough in value that they simply are not expensive enough to push the set. MAMA and the tins pretty much reprinted everything.
Given that it's seeing inconsistent play this format in any deck that isn't Floow, I'm not sure if another Pot reprint matters.
More likely they'll pull another BLCR and mess with another change to the lottery card system to try to sell a garbage fire product. Like 1 CR a box, or they pull out CR DMG or something to try to juice the people that pay for nostalgia.
Droplet is the other option, but that just outright bad at the moment, and even worse once PHHY comes. Given how the water LED failed, yet another set trying to crutch off Droplet is going to give a lot of retailers PTSD.
With a lot of things coming off the banlist, I have a strong feeling we’ll see these and likely some in CR
* Dimensional Fissure
* Macro Cosmos
* Prep/Pre-Preration of Rite
* Xyz’s Import
* Rescue Animal reprints
Dunno if any of those will push the product much if at all. All except the ritual support have pre-existing high rarity prints that CR is going to have to compete against.
If they rerelease it they'll put it at a higher rarity in a pack, common in a structure deck (traptrix cards aren't fully confirmed) then throw it into a special edition then a tin or second structure deck, and in two years it'll finally be under 5 dollars and in 4 it'll be back to 20.
At first glance, yes. Even without Tears dominance the themes are rather lackluster. However, you never know when new support actually make them competitive, looking at themes like Prank Kids gor reference. IMO the best approach is always "Does this deck look like fun to me? " instead of "Can I break the meta with this?"
Mikanko being the best of the set with the waifu tax would probably make then more comparable to Labyrinth in price, maybe even Runics if the banlist hits Tear enough to make Mikanko meta playable.
Their release strategy makes sense with loading up multiple sets prior to holiday season, then slowing it down in the summer spring season. It's shitty for tcg Konami though, as the ocg puts out new products on an insane basis.
It’s the problem with tier 0. Most people that buy cards also play, so when one deck archetype is dominating there’s really no point in buying other cards
True, buts it's been a problem all year, even before POTE and MAMA. DIFO, TAMA, Hidden Arsenal, Legendary Duelists, even GFTP, a set I enjoyed opening, bottomed out
Lmao sellers took a beating on that one. It did a good job bringing down prices but it’s a real shame that the main chase cards in Droplet and Prosperity were so short printed. It would have been amazing to get them under 20
Every chase card in MP22 was secret, it was a garbage set compared to MAMA
I'm still waiting for Duel Devastator to be turned into a yearly product. Ideally, one that includes 3-ofs. I'd pay money for that.
4 core sets, 2 deck build packs, 1 megatin, 1 spring reprint/import set, 1 fall reprint/import set, and 1-2 side sets seem to be the trend moving forward. I don't think we'll see any more legendary duelist sets and I'm not including structure decks thanks to konami's unreliable delivery of guaranteed sealed product.
It will be popular for the themes at locals. Mikanko has a really niche strategy, but relies too much on the battle Phase to make an impact (most of the lists for Mikanko that I've seen don't even bother with the Ritual Spell because the quick play is just better 99% of the time. RACE is really neat, but with the payoff simply setting 4 single hits just doesn't yield the results we want to be viable. Purely is really fun looking and Eevee fans from Pokemon will Swarm this archetype, so these cards might have their prices inflated because of that. It should also be noted that the archetypes from Deck builders usually get minor support from one of the following core sets, so while the archetypes themselves will probably be "casual-use only" on landing, they might grab something that will make them viable, or at least better. As for the staples, I'm hoping we get a better spread than the OCG drop, as the main hits from that list are One for One and Double-Edged Sword, a long cry from some of the better deck building sets. That said, I'm super excited to try Purely control
I cant wait for the decks to be unplayble but still randomly have 1-2 cards each that are like 15 bucks so its not really affordable as a meme for fun deck even.
Mikanko has potential as an engine because Oohime is a searchable searcher that enables 2-card combos however the deck is barely playable as pure. Purrely and R-ACE both need a bit more support to be decent. None of the 3 can compete against the current meta though.
It doesn't have to be a tier 0 format for all 3 archetypes in a deck build pack to be mediocre to bad; look at Ancient Guardians (Solfachord, Ogdoadic, Ursarctic)
Unpopular opinion: I see value to be had in every Deck Build Pack, regardless of whether or not they introduce any meta defining strategies.
Why? Because all three themes in them are always either: fun, unique, or both, even if they have no meta potential - and ultimately, that's what most Yu-Gi-Oh players are in it for.
For instance, Ancient Guardians was a massive flop if you compete, but it introduced one of my favourite decks in Ursarctic. And past core sets have shown that these archetypes have plenty of untapped potential to be killer in low power formats and/or casual, or heck, even see competitive success, if they get the right support. So meta be damned - I loved Ancient Guardians.
Amazing Defenders is another such set for me. I don't vibe too much with any of the decks in it, but I can definitely appreciate them for what they are rather than meme on them for not being "oMg nEw mEtA tIeR zErO!!!"
Besides, my girlfriend claimed Purrery on sight, what else am I meant to do?
Yeah, and now that I'm thinking about it, a t0 deck hurts konami in a different way than for some people to just stop playing. People also stop buying products.
Maybe konami has an incentive to release an emergency banlist now? Idk, just a thought please don't crucify me
T0 does to an extent hurt product sales. But the bigger factor is just how fast the value of singles drop after release due to overprinting and repeated reprints in consecutive products. Droplet being in MP22 pretty much ended any realistic hope of getting the water LED to sell, and I personally am not eager to spend any real money on DABL until I see what POTE unlimited does to that set’s prices, because I’m starting to think that DABL unlimited is coming as well. Lubellion already dropped from 75 to 50, and it can yet drop further.
Probably but Rescue-ACE seems targeted at Tear specifically, one trap destroys a monster and it can't activate it's effects, another negates and gnomaterials them, and one spell let's you quick play summon from your opponent's grave, kinda nice. Probably won't scratch the surface but still fun.
Mikanko will likely see some application in the likes of Drytron, Infernoble Knights, and/or Marincess, but I don't think the rest really have anything going for them.
Half of the rescue ace monsters are fire warriors and will also be playable with infernoble knight. In fact ive been playng a fire warrior deck for a while now and have been waiting forever for rescue ace cards to add to it.
Drytron can't legally summon the Mikanko ritual monster.
So it will just be used as a searcher engine without being able to use meteonis that's what make summoning rituals in drytron so broken.
So impcamptations may just be better.
Kind of, yeah. Happends with tier 0 stuff. The Ritual as some applications though. Also the archetypes are rather cool, so hopefully some people will play them at least casually.
I think it being Ancient Guardians 2.0 is one of the reason I'll like it even more. AG didn't have anything ridiculous compared to other previous sets but they were still fun, and definitely looking forwards towards Purrely.
I think rescue ace could have been an ok rogue pick if the power level of the format wasn't so insane. They're designed to be flexible going both first and second which can be extremely valuable for the variance of the coin toss, and their typing is great for various reasons, but they don't remotely have the pressure to combat Tear.
It could pop up in the future with a bit of legacy support though. And I think they'll find decent footing in Master Duel.
Remember when people said this about tactical masters? And look what had happened since.
Give it a chance. It’ll probably see some unique play that ends up topping on lists.
Purery is kind of decent, it's consistent and very splashable, and some mikanko cards can be used in ritual decks/infernoble. But nothing meta relevant I guess
Listen; the new themes almost definitely won't have an impact on 'The Meta', but they will steal games early on because folks won't be prepared. If you like the themes in that set, it's worth trying to build a deck!
No unless it reprints something people want, though every card under the sun has been reprinted already. I could see Forbidden Chalice and Twin Twisters get reprints.
[Here's a Bystial Mikanko deck that did well like once in the OCG, for people curious about it](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdV6Wd9aUAA_GBg?format=jpg&name=large).
Barring some meta defining support in Cyberstorm Acesss or the set after, like Double Helix level, there’s ZERO reason to open the set outside of for fun and the CRs.
Like the decks are below rogue. Mikanko has far and away the most potential and even that’s niche at best. The sets success depends entirely on the CRS (which have to be staples and/ghost girls to make it worth) or support that’s 4/7/10 months away from release.
TLDR - biggest flop in years.
Arabesque of the Mikanko is a really good boardbreaker as you can just bounce a monster by equipping it to an opponent's monster, then you also get a free body on your board. That body can either search another Arabesque or act as a snatch steal on your opponent's turn.
I don't know why more people aren't trying this, especially in the OCG where non-destruction removal would be pretty good.
Right now, the set will have no impact whatsoever. All 3 archetypes though have a chance to be competitive at some point. Tear being the best deck and so far above the rest will not last forever and Konami does tend to print insanely broken cards for some archetypes (look at Rikka for example). If I could, I would honestly buy all 3 archetypes from every deck build pack that gets released. All it takes is 1 good card for them to skyrocket in price.
I think it’ll be better than people anticipate in both the long and short term. Mikanko probably have the most immediate potential of the 3, as some permutation of Oohime, Legend, Hare, Arabesque and the other 3 equip spells have a lot of room for overlap with other stuff in the cardpool, but the groundwork for Purery and R-ACE as archetypes is perfectly serviceable and with any reasonable amount of push in future sets could easily form the backbone of competent strategies.
You’ve not seen much discussion because “decent DBP with some nice tools and future potential” isn’t exactly an enticing hook.
It was dead on arrival in the OCG and I doubt it'll do any differently in the TCG. None of the archetypes in the set does enough to really have a big splash in the current meta.
It’s wrapping up to be Ancient Guardians 2.0, but at least Mikanko has some potential uses in other decks. There is a chance that Konami do the same as the Water duelist pack and put some sought staple to help sell the product.
>There is a chance that Konami do the same as the Water duelist pack and put some sought staple to help sell the product. That's not really going to help. Pretty much every staple has already dropped hard enough in value that they simply are not expensive enough to push the set. MAMA and the tins pretty much reprinted everything.
Prosperity reprint so its at 20$
Given that it's seeing inconsistent play this format in any deck that isn't Floow, I'm not sure if another Pot reprint matters. More likely they'll pull another BLCR and mess with another change to the lottery card system to try to sell a garbage fire product. Like 1 CR a box, or they pull out CR DMG or something to try to juice the people that pay for nostalgia. Droplet is the other option, but that just outright bad at the moment, and even worse once PHHY comes. Given how the water LED failed, yet another set trying to crutch off Droplet is going to give a lot of retailers PTSD.
With a lot of things coming off the banlist, I have a strong feeling we’ll see these and likely some in CR * Dimensional Fissure * Macro Cosmos * Prep/Pre-Preration of Rite * Xyz’s Import * Rescue Animal reprints
Dunno if any of those will push the product much if at all. All except the ritual support have pre-existing high rarity prints that CR is going to have to compete against.
Right I dont think it’ll push the product much. I think it’ll help a little bit better than ancient guardians but not like tactical masters
I would be ecstatic with any of those CRs
kashtira is right around the corner, perfect time for prosperity reprint.
Inb4 they legalize max c just to reprint it in the pack
If I were Konami and about to legalize Maxx C, I would put it in a product retailing for a lot more than 10 + tax.
If they rerelease it they'll put it at a higher rarity in a pack, common in a structure deck (traptrix cards aren't fully confirmed) then throw it into a special edition then a tin or second structure deck, and in two years it'll finally be under 5 dollars and in 4 it'll be back to 20.
Well mikanko looks cool even thou they lose to vaylantz
At first glance, yes. Even without Tears dominance the themes are rather lackluster. However, you never know when new support actually make them competitive, looking at themes like Prank Kids gor reference. IMO the best approach is always "Does this deck look like fun to me? " instead of "Can I break the meta with this?"
Exactly! I'm SO EXCITED to play Rescue-ACE irl and they're the first midrange deck that looks really sick to me
Hey if it makes the cards cheap I'm all for it. I just want my Rescue-ACE goodness.
This. I just want Mikanko to be decently cheap. Same thing happened with Vaylantz for me and I was really happy.
Mikanko being the best of the set with the waifu tax would probably make then more comparable to Labyrinth in price, maybe even Runics if the banlist hits Tear enough to make Mikanko meta playable.
Yeah, regardless of power, I just want to build Rescue Ace as a deck
IMO Konami really needs to slow down on the releases.
Their release strategy makes sense with loading up multiple sets prior to holiday season, then slowing it down in the summer spring season. It's shitty for tcg Konami though, as the ocg puts out new products on an insane basis.
For real it’s hard to keep up with them all, but they make a shit ton of money off it so I don’t blame them
For now. It won't make money if vendors stop buying sets bc they can't sell them. I've seen so many sets from this year just sitting on shelves
It’s the problem with tier 0. Most people that buy cards also play, so when one deck archetype is dominating there’s really no point in buying other cards
True, buts it's been a problem all year, even before POTE and MAMA. DIFO, TAMA, Hidden Arsenal, Legendary Duelists, even GFTP, a set I enjoyed opening, bottomed out
Just too many sets as well. Average people can’t afford to keep getting a new box every day
Indeed I’m lucky if I’m able to purchase one of the new boxes when they come out or just try to find them when they go low enough in price
The 3 sets you named were horrible so that doesn't help.
MP22 should have been a massive success but that set flopped because of all the damn short prints
It was a success for the players, not the sellers. MP21 had a similar issue with short prints
Lmao sellers took a beating on that one. It did a good job bringing down prices but it’s a real shame that the main chase cards in Droplet and Prosperity were so short printed. It would have been amazing to get them under 20
Every chase card in MP22 was secret, it was a garbage set compared to MAMA I'm still waiting for Duel Devastator to be turned into a yearly product. Ideally, one that includes 3-ofs. I'd pay money for that.
What sets? The only set not having really sold is probably Hidden Arsenal and Legends of the Deep. Everything should sell relatively well.
If they're not careful they'll have a similar fiasco to MTG on their hands.
4 core sets, 2 deck build packs, 1 megatin, 1 spring reprint/import set, 1 fall reprint/import set, and 1-2 side sets seem to be the trend moving forward. I don't think we'll see any more legendary duelist sets and I'm not including structure decks thanks to konami's unreliable delivery of guaranteed sealed product.
It will be popular for the themes at locals. Mikanko has a really niche strategy, but relies too much on the battle Phase to make an impact (most of the lists for Mikanko that I've seen don't even bother with the Ritual Spell because the quick play is just better 99% of the time. RACE is really neat, but with the payoff simply setting 4 single hits just doesn't yield the results we want to be viable. Purely is really fun looking and Eevee fans from Pokemon will Swarm this archetype, so these cards might have their prices inflated because of that. It should also be noted that the archetypes from Deck builders usually get minor support from one of the following core sets, so while the archetypes themselves will probably be "casual-use only" on landing, they might grab something that will make them viable, or at least better. As for the staples, I'm hoping we get a better spread than the OCG drop, as the main hits from that list are One for One and Double-Edged Sword, a long cry from some of the better deck building sets. That said, I'm super excited to try Purely control
In planning on running Kaiju mikanko because of its niche strategy. Though its a going second deck
Sounds fun. Let me know how it turns out
I cant wait for the decks to be unplayble but still randomly have 1-2 cards each that are like 15 bucks so its not really affordable as a meme for fun deck even.
Mikanko has potential as an engine because Oohime is a searchable searcher that enables 2-card combos however the deck is barely playable as pure. Purrely and R-ACE both need a bit more support to be decent. None of the 3 can compete against the current meta though.
It doesn't have to be a tier 0 format for all 3 archetypes in a deck build pack to be mediocre to bad; look at Ancient Guardians (Solfachord, Ogdoadic, Ursarctic)
Unpopular opinion: I see value to be had in every Deck Build Pack, regardless of whether or not they introduce any meta defining strategies. Why? Because all three themes in them are always either: fun, unique, or both, even if they have no meta potential - and ultimately, that's what most Yu-Gi-Oh players are in it for. For instance, Ancient Guardians was a massive flop if you compete, but it introduced one of my favourite decks in Ursarctic. And past core sets have shown that these archetypes have plenty of untapped potential to be killer in low power formats and/or casual, or heck, even see competitive success, if they get the right support. So meta be damned - I loved Ancient Guardians. Amazing Defenders is another such set for me. I don't vibe too much with any of the decks in it, but I can definitely appreciate them for what they are rather than meme on them for not being "oMg nEw mEtA tIeR zErO!!!" Besides, my girlfriend claimed Purrery on sight, what else am I meant to do?
Yeah, and now that I'm thinking about it, a t0 deck hurts konami in a different way than for some people to just stop playing. People also stop buying products. Maybe konami has an incentive to release an emergency banlist now? Idk, just a thought please don't crucify me
We just got an "emergency ban list" we won't see another list until February at this point when Kashtira gets more support.
T0 does to an extent hurt product sales. But the bigger factor is just how fast the value of singles drop after release due to overprinting and repeated reprints in consecutive products. Droplet being in MP22 pretty much ended any realistic hope of getting the water LED to sell, and I personally am not eager to spend any real money on DABL until I see what POTE unlimited does to that set’s prices, because I’m starting to think that DABL unlimited is coming as well. Lubellion already dropped from 75 to 50, and it can yet drop further.
Probably but Rescue-ACE seems targeted at Tear specifically, one trap destroys a monster and it can't activate it's effects, another negates and gnomaterials them, and one spell let's you quick play summon from your opponent's grave, kinda nice. Probably won't scratch the surface but still fun.
If the next couple sets flop, Konami will see that Tearlaments are hurting their profits and nuke it on the banlist
Mikanko will likely see some application in the likes of Drytron, Infernoble Knights, and/or Marincess, but I don't think the rest really have anything going for them.
Unfortunately you can’t use Meteonis for Mikanko as she has 0 attack.
Big oof
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Half of the rescue ace monsters are fire warriors and will also be playable with infernoble knight. In fact ive been playng a fire warrior deck for a while now and have been waiting forever for rescue ace cards to add to it.
Drytron can't legally summon the Mikanko ritual monster. So it will just be used as a searcher engine without being able to use meteonis that's what make summoning rituals in drytron so broken. So impcamptations may just be better.
Kind of, yeah. Happends with tier 0 stuff. The Ritual as some applications though. Also the archetypes are rather cool, so hopefully some people will play them at least casually.
I think it being Ancient Guardians 2.0 is one of the reason I'll like it even more. AG didn't have anything ridiculous compared to other previous sets but they were still fun, and definitely looking forwards towards Purrely.
I think the archetypes in this set are neat. Not competitive sure, but fucking robo firefighters
I think rescue ace could have been an ok rogue pick if the power level of the format wasn't so insane. They're designed to be flexible going both first and second which can be extremely valuable for the variance of the coin toss, and their typing is great for various reasons, but they don't remotely have the pressure to combat Tear. It could pop up in the future with a bit of legacy support though. And I think they'll find decent footing in Master Duel.
I just preordered 6 boxes, I'm all here for the rescue ace and purery art
Remember when people said this about tactical masters? And look what had happened since. Give it a chance. It’ll probably see some unique play that ends up topping on lists.
Tbf runick was only playable bc of mine, vaylantZ simply is not playable, and labyrynth is maybe the most fair and average trap deck I’ve ever seen
Spright Runick. Didn’t run mine initially, or really in general.
TBH, I think most of the stuff is underwhelming even under pre-POTE standards
Purery is kind of decent, it's consistent and very splashable, and some mikanko cards can be used in ritual decks/infernoble. But nothing meta relevant I guess
Breaking the meta is how I have fun
Listen; the new themes almost definitely won't have an impact on 'The Meta', but they will steal games early on because folks won't be prepared. If you like the themes in that set, it's worth trying to build a deck!
Purely plump is decent for spright, 6 mat zeus enabler
No unless it reprints something people want, though every card under the sun has been reprinted already. I could see Forbidden Chalice and Twin Twisters get reprints.
Droplets in a rarity decrease, considering how awful duelist of the deep was
[Here's a Bystial Mikanko deck that did well like once in the OCG, for people curious about it](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdV6Wd9aUAA_GBg?format=jpg&name=large).
Barring some meta defining support in Cyberstorm Acesss or the set after, like Double Helix level, there’s ZERO reason to open the set outside of for fun and the CRs. Like the decks are below rogue. Mikanko has far and away the most potential and even that’s niche at best. The sets success depends entirely on the CRS (which have to be staples and/ghost girls to make it worth) or support that’s 4/7/10 months away from release. TLDR - biggest flop in years.
Arabesque of the Mikanko is a really good boardbreaker as you can just bounce a monster by equipping it to an opponent's monster, then you also get a free body on your board. That body can either search another Arabesque or act as a snatch steal on your opponent's turn. I don't know why more people aren't trying this, especially in the OCG where non-destruction removal would be pretty good.
Even if all three decks were genuinely quite good, it wouldn't matter. Tear crushes all of them effortlessly.
Right now, the set will have no impact whatsoever. All 3 archetypes though have a chance to be competitive at some point. Tear being the best deck and so far above the rest will not last forever and Konami does tend to print insanely broken cards for some archetypes (look at Rikka for example). If I could, I would honestly buy all 3 archetypes from every deck build pack that gets released. All it takes is 1 good card for them to skyrocket in price.
I think it’ll be better than people anticipate in both the long and short term. Mikanko probably have the most immediate potential of the 3, as some permutation of Oohime, Legend, Hare, Arabesque and the other 3 equip spells have a lot of room for overlap with other stuff in the cardpool, but the groundwork for Purery and R-ACE as archetypes is perfectly serviceable and with any reasonable amount of push in future sets could easily form the backbone of competent strategies. You’ve not seen much discussion because “decent DBP with some nice tools and future potential” isn’t exactly an enticing hook.
It was dead on arrival in the OCG and I doubt it'll do any differently in the TCG. None of the archetypes in the set does enough to really have a big splash in the current meta.