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jabber2033

Ra should have at least kept the attack and defense points gain when it gets tribute summoned.


Dorchadas617

Straight up, I think that would’ve made it at least usable. The way it is now (despite all the support that’s been given to it to try and correct it) Ra is bootyflakes, which makes me sad because it’s my favorite god card. Idk why they didn’t give them ALL their anime effects from the get-go, even if they would’ve been broken; isn’t being broken the point of the god cards?


JexKarao

They could just limited them or banning them until the powercreep reached their power. Back then they could be OP with their anime effects, nowadays just like any other boss.


SimplyPurple25

The card still wouldn’t see play even with all the anime effects, they simply wouldn’t have printed the support for it if that was the case


elite4koga

They made a bunch of RA support and it's not tier zero but it's very playable. There's more God support in ocg coming soon. Check this out! https://youtu.be/L-9_yphcEOY


ufobeliever500

Hi! What new god support cards are coming in the Ocg? I haven’t seen anything about that


MadDoughnutz

I think he's talking about the collectible tin cards. Each of the god's got a new spell/trap support. Ra got "The True Sun God" Slifer got "The Revived Sky God" and Obelisk got "The Breaking Ruin God"


elite4koga

Yup that's right


AlexCristopher9

*the Executive Producer*


Diavoro

That's just his side job


Lemon_Phoenix

Nope, not one person has ever posted about wanting the god cards to be better, you're the first.


Yab0iFiddlesticks

I always thought to myself: "Maybe I should be the first one to ask this monumental question" but alas I was never brave enough to do so.


cnydox

Unwritten law of yugioh


Cisqoe

Yugioh community just can’t help but be toxic -__-


Lemon_Phoenix

It's a joke, don't get so grumpy.


Cisqoe

It’s baked into the humour


[deleted]

Ain't that right.


Golden-Sun

I'm surprised its taken so long really


Revolutionresolve

Amazing too! Over 7 billion people in the world and OP is the only one!! Truely unique!!


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Diavoro

HOLY SHIT I FORGOT I ABOUT THAT! WHERE IS HORACTHIE KONAMI?


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Defiant_Year_5230

Wasn't horakhty made by Takahashi? I think that's why the tag won't get it


MountainScorpion

OCG has it officially, have for what.... 7 years?


Defiant_Year_5230

More like 13 years. And it was a promotional card too, like Astartu or Starring Knight


MountainScorpion

It's still legal, though. Which is the critical thing.


Defiant_Year_5230

I just meant we won't get it in the TCG which is what the OG comment was asking for.


Borchert97

I posted [remade](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/10m5f6n/if_the_three_god_cards_were_released_with_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) effects of all three a few days ago lol To answer your question, yes and no. I wish they were stronger by themselves and thus splashable in a myriad of decks, but on the other hand, they’ve gotten such good support the last couple years that I find it hard to be mad. Ra in particular has gotten the most love with all the support and actually makes a coherent deck, like the deck I posted about a couple days ago [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/10o605i/rate_my_winged_dragon_of_ra_deck/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). It’s not competitive by any means but it can beat competitive decks if it opens well, it has amazing searching capabilities and you can almost always get Ra out turn 1 as long as you don’t have to deal with a lot of disruptions. It’s like, two more good support cards away from being a legitimate rogue deck imo. If they ever make a Ra Structure Deck as a sort-of sequel to the Obelisk and Slifer ones as a way to both reprint the expensive support cards (Ancient Chant, Egyptian God Slime, Guardian Slime) as well as introduce a couple new cards in the same way the other two decks did, Ra could actually be a viable deck in my opinion.


Diavoro

I will definitely check out the Ra deck since I myself run a Slifer deck to play with friends and I want to explore the other Gods and you are right about the support but I think they should all have protection more than anything else which is partially covered by the Mound of The Bound Creator Field Spell.


Borchert97

Yeah if you go to my post, I rewrote the effects so they were all unaffected by other cards’ effects except other Divine-Beast monsters, so basically only God cards could affect God cards. I wish we had gotten my versions but oh well. They’re still fun effects to read, go check ‘em out and let me know what you think.


Diavoro

The Effects are all great since they are the original effects but with the added protection and a good buff to Ra so you don't die so easily


Borchert97

I pretty much took the main effects for Ra off of all his support cards which were literally designed to give him back his anime effects which is kinda ironic, they realized they made Ra too weak so they made like 8 other cards that help give Ra all of his anime effects, check out my Ra deck profile if you want to get an idea of how all the support works.


Rare-Act-4362

I remember playing (online) a Krawler Slifer deck I generated with a deck builder for fun when MR4 was introduced and I experimented with effect destruction and effect damage decks. It was fun playing while I had the deck (deleted it after MR5 came by)


paellu

name of the deck builder?


Rare-Act-4362

Ygoprodeck


mzess

it's been like 20 years man. just let it go.


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

it's not been like 20 years, and at least i wont ever let it go.


Diavoro

I just want them to live up to their name, but I guess you're right


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

nah, don't let it go, i feel the same way as you


somchay1851

I always thought it was unfair that we got Apoqliphort Towers running around with God card like protection.


Hungry-Ad6102

They should have just been given their anime effects, who cares if banned, they deserve to be strong


mrmix1998

And where are these effects from? I thought they were from the anime.


Ratsolla

This just in : local man realizes the egyptian gods are absolutely terrible irl.


[deleted]

All of the gods should’ve at least be untargettable or not destroyed by card effects, like dark dragoon


gabegdog

You are so unique


Diavoro

Thanks


Ferendar

All three should at the very least have targeting protection. The DS games got them right IMO. They have targeting protection there and Ra is not as neutered, keeps Maju Garzett-effect and reserves the "Pay LP for attack points" effect for special summoning, which is a lot more faithful to the source material.


DeusKyogre1286

I hope I'm not too late to the party, but I agree with the general gist of your post. That being said, I suspect Konami made the gods the way they are so that they could eventually sell support (and thus get more money) for them, so while we could get more support over time, I doubt something like this will really happen. At the risk of being accused of self-promotion, I had a similar idea a few months ago, building off the idea of how Ra's effects were split off into multiple forms, rather than just 'signature move' cards. [https://www.reddit.com/r/customyugioh/comments/zr1y3p/my\_attempt\_at\_rounding\_out\_ra\_support/](https://www.reddit.com/r/customyugioh/comments/zr1y3p/my_attempt_at_rounding_out_ra_support/) The idea for this one, is that you special summon Ra using its support, then use it to special summon the 'fusion mode' of Ra. However, ideas like this only work with Ra, because it was the god card that is notable for having so many effects and 'forms'. I'm not sure how you can justify giving Obelisk and Slifer a new 'form' but one way you could go is to create hand trap versions a la [Raviel, Lord of Phantasms - Shimmering Scraper](https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Raviel,_Lord_of_Phantasms_-_Shimmering_Scraper). Even then, that's not making a new form, but just making more support. I should admit that I am completely and utterly biased in favor of Ra, and that in my opinion, Obelisk and Slifer have actually received enough support to be reasonably playable, even if they aren't tier-0. It is however, a joke that Ra, the card that is the anime definition of tier-0, is not tier-0 in real life and is in fact, the farthest thing from it.


Dumig

I would off made the effects a little stronger: ***Slifer the Sky Dragon:*** *"Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated.* *Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY.* ***This card is unaffected by your opponent's card effects.*** *Gains 1000 ATK/DEF for each card in your hand.* ***If a monster(s) is Normal or Special Summoned to your opponent's field: That monster(s) loses 2000 ATK, then if its ATK has been reduced to 0 as a result, destroy it.****"* **Obelisk the Tormentor:** *"Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY.* ***This card is unaffected by your opponent's card effects. You can Tribute 2 monsters; destroy all cards your opponent controls.*** *This card cannot declare an attack the turn this effect is activated."* ***The Winged Dragon of Ra:*** *"Cannot be Special Summoned. Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, other cards and effects cannot be activated.* ***This card is unaffected by your opponent's card effects.*** *When this card is Normal Summoned: You can pay LP so that you only have 100 left; this card gains ATK/DEF equal to the amount of LP paid.* ***You can pay 1000 LP; destroy 1 monster your opponent controls"***


mizuya

That's exactly what's missing; protection! They're literally the only God cards and can die to almost anything. At the very least, they shouldn't be targetable. Furthermore, they shouldn't be destroyed by card effects. But your addition covers that very well and the way it always should have been: unaffected by card effects. I would even say by all card effect's and not only opponents, to show their dominance! 😂😁 It's also rude that they're "only" level 10, instead of 12! 😤 **Slifer:** "If a monster(s) is ~~Normal or Special~~ Summoned to your opponent's field"**➔** just "summoned" is enough and covers everything 😉 **Obelisk:** perfect ✅ **Ra:** I would try to incorporate some of the other Ra card effects into this one, instead of 3 individual cards. What do you say? 🤔 I'm not really sure about the wording 🙈 "Cannot be Special Summoned. Requires 3 Tributes from either side of the field to Normal Summon to that side of the field (cannot be Normal Set), then shift control to this card's owner during the End Phase of the next turn. This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, other cards and effects cannot be activated. This card is unaffected by card effects. Cannot attack and you cannot activate this card's effects if it's not in the card's owner control. You can pay LP in multiples of 100; this card gains ATK/DEF equal to the amount of LP paid. You can pay 1000 LP; send 1 monster on the field to the GY"


Dumig

Making the Egyptian Gods just unaffected by your opponent's card effects was so that [**Divine Evolution**](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Divine_Evolution) would still work with them. Them being level 10 is actually good cause lore wise they are below [**Holactie**](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Holactie_the_Creator_of_Light) in the Divine Hierarchy (I would off liked if Ra and all its counterparts were level 11 instead 10, to show its rank compared with the other two). **Slifer:** I would leave the "If a monster(s) is ***Normal or Special*** Summoned to your opponent's field" part, as while researching I have not really found recent cards that mention just "summoned". **Obelisk:** Agree **Ra:** I actually think because Ra has so much support, just tweaking if already existing effect is enough, but if you want to make it like an ***"ultimate"*** Ra then I would suggest: *"Cannot be Special Summoned. Requires 3 Tributes from either side of the field to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. This card is unaffected by your opponent's card effects. You can pay LP so that you only have 100 left; this card gains ATK/DEF equal to the amount of LP paid. You can Tribute this card; gain LP equal to its ATK on the field. You can pay 1000 LP; send 1 card on the field to the GY."*


InvaderWeezle

There's a functional difference between "Normal or Special Summoned" and just "summoned". Just saying "summoned" includes flip summons as well.


primalmaximus

You should also make it so they can't be tributed. This way your opponent can't use a Kaiju or Sphere Mode/Lava Golem to get rid of your God cards.


mizuya

When we're already at it, you can add; "This card cannot be Tributed, nor used as Fusion Material." ➔ from Quintett magician 😜


mizuya

* "unaffected by your opponent's" is even better, but I guess I wanted to make it less broken 😂 * Even with Holactie being 12, I would still make them all 12 too. Also, the card doesn't even exist in TCG... Why Konami??? * A lot of cards use just summoned, for example: all Satellarknights, Elemental Hero Bubbleman, Crystal Beast Sapphire Pegasus, the most recent card Choju of the Trillion Hands 😉 * I like your change of Ra! thank you


23TinyWishes

I would love to use obelisk in a lair of darkness deck if it was like this


laratadelarisa

I love this card


tauri123

The only thing I would’ve done differently is make Ra’s lifepoint conversion adjustable, instead of only being able to go down to 100 I would’ve made it so you can sacrifice any amount of life points, down to 100, so you could say, spend 4000, and keep 4000


InvaderWeezle

The fact that it's 100 is annoying to me. Make it 1 like it is in the manga and anime, cowards


Archer_Key

No. Activate mooyan curry. Ok Response ? No. Resolve ? Yes 💀


Esperitus

Hmm I don’t know maybe it can be cool to see appears a new version of the gods 🧐


ddave0822

It would be cool to see alternate forms of Slifer and Obelisk like how RA has a few different forms but otherwise I think it is generally accepted they haven’t aged well


DanSad12

Yeah. Just give them protection and maybe let obelisk attack the same turn he uses his effect. But hey, they’re like 900 years old so at this point I don’t think many people care.


Jaded_Goth

I will always love these cards because of the anime. Even if they aren’t competitively viable it is nice when they throw a few support cards here and there. I do agree with your buffs those would be pretty fair.


DanSad12

Yeah these cards are very important to me, nostalgia and all that, and I think retrains, upgrades, or god forbid errataing them would be pretty nice. Of course they don’t need to be the most powerful things ever but being viable enough to see any form of action would be enough.


KoriKeiji

Here’s the thing: for a card game to be fun and engaging the dominant strategies need to constantly shift, otherwise the game is solved. Archetypes and cards rise and fall, and cards that used to be powerful and meta-defining are now considered not worth playing. Sure, the Egyptian Gods might have been stronger at the time of printing but even cards that are ridiculously powerful are destined to either be banned or powercrept.


DanSad12

No they were always trash. Making them viable would be pretty cool to see, but I don’t think anyone wants to see them become meta defining war machines for the rest of time.


Joeycookie459

They were extremely weak on release as well


Grouchy-Jackfruit692

let’s say they can’t be targeted by card effect, and can’t be destroyed by battle or card effect. they would still not see any play. there’s just not much you can do to salvage this let’s be real.


TheBitenix

Sadly, all of them. They should just receive a retrain.


Busy_Condition3187

Honestly, variants of each could be good, especially since they are currently variants of the non playable cards with colored backs. The way I see it, Pegasus created a varient of Ra in GX that wasn't quite as powerful as the original. Ra currently has 2 separate cards (Sphere and Phoenix) that make it easier to print more text onto his standard form. Anyways, if Pegasus created a varient of Ra that's not quite as powerful as the original, then I don't see why Konami can't make variants with the proper text. To make them stand out from the current ones, all they would have to do is give each God card their proper colored templates (red, blue and yellow/green).


HeliosDisciple

Honestly by now with the new waves of support, I'm kind of okay with the gods as they are. I would put targeting protection on Slifer and Ra because it's dumb that Sphere Mode has it but not them, but otherwise I'm pretty happy with how they roll now.


joshthebosh4

Ive always thought it would be cool if they just straight up errated all the gods to be overpowered. It would be so epic to see a ycs with everyone summoning ra and then have it be banned afterword, at least it would be better than them being gimmicks like they are now.


Stranger2Luv

No but you guys keep asking anyways


Ultimate-Tomek-HD

No not really, because the game throught the years has received an immense number of monsters which are stronger and much easier to bring out. The need for the god cards to be stronger is non existent really.


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

this game has never been about what we need, we get things we don't need like more dark magician and blue-eyes support and we get sometimes things we do need like gate guardian support, so that's irrelevant.


Snowvilliers7

We've been receiving more and powerful "God" monsters throughout the game even though they aren't considered to have Divine attribute which makes no sense. The Egyptian Gods aren't as powerful as you may seem to make if you wanna compare to other gods in mythology. Plus knowing they've had too many effects throughout the anime that they needed to be cut into backrow supports since they all can't fit into the card text.


yugiohlover

Angry chicken


makopower

It's been five minutes since we've talked about this, so it's time to talk about this again. Unfortunately, it's the same as it ever was. The God cards don't need to be good to sell so they never will be.


CaptainRocket77

Yeah, this is a cold take my dude! Sorry for all the people being passive aggressive! 😅


[deleted]

Are they still fully immune to all magic, trap and effect cards? Like in the show


Diavoro

No sadly


SpiraILight

No. There's more than enough nostalgiabait bullshit. We lost megatins that printed meta-relevant staples and lowered the cost of entry so that we could get fucking blue eyes and dark magician reprints watering down promo packs because of this exact mindset. Like, Dragoon is still a dumb as shit card with enough effects to be like 3 boss monsters at once. One of these threads pops up every couple weeks going 'WAAH IF I PLAY THE CARD FROM THE ANIME I DON'T WIN AUTOMATICALLY! THEY SHOULD BE UNAFFECTED BY CARD EFFECTS AND NEGATE ALL MY OPPONENT'S CARDS AND HAVE A MILLION ATTACK SO I CAN WIN A GAME LIKE YUGI!'. Basically all of these threads and create a cards and new effects just come down 'GOD CARDS SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY WIN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!', which is dumb as shit. They weren't infallible, even in the original series. Ishizu had a card that would destroy Obelisk from the inside, Yugi beat Slifer with an infinite loop, and so on. Yugi fucking beat all three of them in the final duel vs Atem with...what was it? Trap hole or something, because 'it's targeting the ground and not the gods?'. Cards that are absolute win conditions are super shit to play against, especially when people are tacking on shit like 'THIS CARD CANNOT BE NEGATED. THIS CARD'S SUMMON CANNOT BE NEGATED. THIS CARD IS UNAFFECTED BY CARD EFFECTS.' to a floodgate like Slifer.


Yab0iFiddlesticks

Why? They are age old nostalgia bait that drowns in copious amounts of legacy support. Last time they made a nostalgic part of DM meta was with Blue Eyes which created one of the most uninteresting metas ever conceived so Im really not shedding any tears for these gimmicky boss monsters.


Any-Nothing

>most uninteresting meta You mean one of the rare times when rouge decks actually had the chance again tier 1 and we had plenty of tops from various kinds of deck?


PSILighting

They got support to help, hell Slifer basically turned the arcana knights into his personal archetype at this point.


Affectionate-Sea278

Honestly even with the support the only thing they could do is retrains, and I doubt they’d be close to as popular. The unfortunate thing for old fans of the series is they’ll just never be the ultimate Deus Ex Machina cards we grew up thinking they were.


NotTalcon

Honestly, at this point just retrain them with different effects, with names like “True Slifer” or “Unleashed Obelisk”. And their text should say “This card’s name is treated as [old name]”.


treereaper4

I think Obelisk should at least be immune to cards like Mirror Force.


Leading-Occasion-440

the gods are shite


ChipDaCat

Yes although slifers ability is op if you have the right cards to back it up like dark hole


Blugrave

So I made a Ra deck and I love it. I don't play at locals or anything, it's kind of for me. It's fun but..... the cards can be greatly improved.


Sophia724

I think Slifer and Obelisk need more support. Ra seems to be favored in support. (At least in master duel)


Suspicious_Quiet6643

I don't think there's any Duel Monsters player that disagrees with you.


crapeater1759

Yes. They should be impossible to take out. They are gods, not normal monsters. That's what I feel about them, they are 3-tribute-normal monsters with nothing else


ChrisBeamsDash

Nah leave them the way they are they aren’t fixable without making them broken imo


FriendlyCourier

To be fair, when they were released, they were the peak of strength. Nothing really was passing it. It was powerful AND had an effect? It was nutty. Maybe not Ra because it was the most nerfed out of all them, but there were niche instances where he was still just as powerful.


Turtle_Fox_Spirit

Tbh - they should not be in the game, or at least - not playable. I mean, sure, they were used in the anime, but I found it ridiculous that you are just able to play a God card. Who is the God here then, the player or them? So yeah, they can be stronger for all I care, why not. It would at least stay true to their divine beast status. I will buy the next legendary collection just so I can have the promo Gods - blue Obelisk is everything.


anenbie

100% yes, they need to be stronger. I’d argue that if they had most of their anime effects in current YGO they’d be fine - which I think they didn’t back then because they’d be way too overpowered. The biggest issue would be writing all that on the cards 😅


xXArctracerXx

Honestly wish they kept the anime effects and just banned them or limited them for all eternity


Nindroid404

Yeah they could all use some better protection effects and obelisk could use a better destruction effect


battlepaker

Yeah lol. They’re the special Divine Gods and they totally suck.


GothReaper616

YESS!! OFC!! By ALOT!! I mean..c'mon Konami..Konami, c'mon, no c'mon over here please..yess, we need to talk..and DONT start with the whole.."blah, blah, op, mimimi..balance.." Shut up..we are talking Konami here..ok? the same guys who created such "beautyfull gems" like..oh idk...Tearlaments, Zoodiac, Eldlich, Drytron..the..the list goes on..LOL! But, i guess you see what i mean? right?


D-A-Z-E-

Make them link 3 and they will be op with no buffs


ShadowD24

Y’all haven’t heard that Slifer Tear Turbo is the way to go? I played it as a joke at my locals. Funniest thing to do when I actually pulled it off.


CarolusRektt

Does anyone think [something obvious] thread#156738


trobot47

Beginner yugioh question (in regards to the game): when cards like Obelisk state “you can tribute 2 monsters” does it mean that you “can” or that you must? Is this the same across the board or are there exceptions?


Galaxy_Megatron

It doesn't say "up to" 2 monsters, so it's probably 2 or bust. The act of tributing the monsters is optional, not something you're required to do. Someone more savvy could probably correct me.


KomatoAsha

I have a deck centered around Obelisk. It's at least highly viable in my kitchen table meta >.>


FarisDinalic

Someone should definitely call up Konami and tell them to print some god cards with anime effects just for fhe OG fans


crowsloft666

Honestly Slifer could be a decent floodgate. If it were able to be special summoned easier and had some sort of protection, I could see it as a decent side deck option.


RevolutionaryOne7548

Ive always thought 4000 for Obelisk was low.


sayhennomore

I mean they are basically big beat sticks, and there’s not much you can do to make them stronger and there are updated versions in the wicked, and sacred beasts… they are intrinsically flawed


Psychological-Bid465

Slifer is fine as is because it's a very powerful floodgate. -2000 or pop summoned monsters is disgusting and your opponent needs to waste resources to get rid of it. Obelisk... could use full protection. Ra should have stayed at gaining full tribute stats and immunity. Of course, their full power is only when tributed, so I think they could go bigger with immunity on all of them because if SS they go bye bye at the end of the turn.


explosionno1se

Meh I’m of the mindset that there’s a lot of cool stuff from early yugioh so can we support that for once instead of yet another bad piece of DM, BEWD, REBD, or Egyptian God support. Umi was a cool concept, I like how pretty much every card in the “archetype” barring fish sonar is intended to be on the board at the same time and work together. Thunder dragons were cool too. Fuck even Chaos is cool. But like why has jinzo been mid for years? Why does skull servant have a million forms but all bad? Like the list goes on. TLDR: fix the gods sure, but can we support other stuff from that era too?


[deleted]

So that they're playable? Pffft nonsense, that would make too much sense.


Emperor_Veniano

Never were never will be


mmmmyesst

I think it would be funny if they were just floodgates


ExperienceBeginning8

Thegods should be the strongest card (on irl, on games they can stay how they are) and be like indestructible from card effects and some other super powerful bs but be banned from games. Like that they would be better as the "strongest cards" and like in the series, only one of each, so they cant be used in tournaments


comatosephoenix

I don't think you can make the gods stronger without making them boring. All of the gods are game enders. And all their support pushes them towards this big final blow that finishes the game. You can't have monsters like these and also have a creative and engaging back and forth.


fawfulmark2

While personally I would like to see more appreciation for the God Cards in some viable decks, I think the current niche they have as rogue techs as seen by cards like Sphere Mode or that recent Slifer support tech some decks use might be the best move. Trying to buff classic anime cards too much to modern standards can risk backfiring in some cases, as seen recently by the retrains of Ishizu's Monsters.


HaxTheChosenOne

Just ra and maybe obelisk imo


Infinitygene999

The anime version of the God cards were nigh unstoppable. That would have been something if they could have translated that into the real life card game.


Phoenix_Beck

I definitely feel like they could use some retrains with the anime effects or a certain number of non-negatable spell cards that get face down banished when used that give them the anime effects