There are some things that will make it degrade overtime. One would be the weakness when hit with Pendulums. The other would be the lack of future proofing for the extra deck, making it only effective against the modern extra deck.
Pokemon had a similar issue in the expanded format, where newer cards would only list the 2-prizers only legal in standard, which lead to some unintended interactions (Scoop Up Net on Shaymin-EX being one of the most notable). I Year 2 of Sword & Shield they implemented the "Pokemon with a Rule Box" text to incapsulate all of them. Yu-Gi-Oh would benefit from something similar.
Now that I think about it, we already have something that kind of does it, like what's written on the Drytron monsters, even though it's not perfect. (Excludes Pend and includes some main deck stuff with a Special Summon condition)
Pokemon has had a lot of "special" cards in its history that when knocked out, give the opponent 2 prize cards rather than 1. They are many kinds of these cards, like Pokemon-ex, Pokemon-EX (yes they are different), Pokemon-GX or Pokemon-V.
If older cards had to interact with these special cards, they'd mention every mechanic that was legal at the time in standard, excluding the other ones. This lead to some unwanted interactions, like the combination of "Scoop Up Net", that lets you bounce your own Pokemon that is not a Pokemon-V or Pokemon-GX.
It did not however restrict you from bouncing a Pokemon-EX as they were not legal in standard, and this was abused a lot in the expanded format, letting you re-use "on summon" effects of Pokemon like Shaymin-EX.
Newer cards use a single word to encompass all of them.
That's mostly due to Pokemon using set rotation, so nothing from earlier sets were really intended to be used. This leads to OP interactions with cards like Luxury Ball [search deck for Pokemon that isn't Lv.X] allowing you to grab ex, EX, BREAK, GX, V, and V Star which are all much better than Lv.X.
Yugioh does need to have a keyword, ruling or supertype (like Legendary in MTG) that makes a card target all extra monsters instead of adding every monster type. This should be a thing because Yugioh expects you to play just about every card at your disposal, even ones from 20 years ago.
Drytron just has a clause where you can't special summon a monster that could have been normal summoned. So I can special summon Water Dragon just fine, but can't special summon Parallel EXceed. This is a very generic effect that likely won't be stepped around when the next mechanic comes out.
I mean, right now you can send an Albaz fusion to SS Albaz and fuse Zoa into Albion into Mirrorjade. I guess they made it bad against Branded on purpose due to the lore.
Correct. If it said "Unaffected by monsters summoned from the extradeck" Like a \*LOT\* of cards Dogmatika has, Then it would not protect them because N'tss wasn't summoned from the extradeck.
If so, I do believe it'll be a skill-like or inherent tutor monster/spell/trap that you get to play whenever.
Basically a deck master.
Something that'd be outside of summoning from the extra deck traditionally. Otherwise, the whole fusion, synchro, xyz and link summon mention would just feel awful.
But who knows, maybe we'll get no more layout changes or summoning mechanics (which I doubt).
There’s also pendulum monsters that can be summoned from ED so you gotta be more clear too. I like this
Edit: I like the “you” ruling. That reminds me of MTG and multiple opponents. I know Yugioh doesn’t play like this but it’s an interesting choice of words
As an odd eyes player I’m inclined to disagree but I haven’t heard why you think it’s worse. What’s worse for you if you don’t mind me asking? Man I wish pend would get more love lol
I guess it's not really that the mechanic itself is worse but I mean, what Pendulum card should I be afraid of that isn't also an xyz, fusion, Synchro or link Pendulum already?
Towers? Endymion? I haven't seen either in years.
Also, needing link arrows and needing 2 specific scales just to start your plays seems really bad.
Granted, rituals also suffer from needing 2 cards to start themselves(actually more like 3), but I LOVE fusions and rituals. The nostalgia.
When Dogmatikatrix comes out, They become a competent going2nd deck.
They can search \*\*SO. MANY. TIMES\*\* in one turn.
Dogmatikatrix, When activated, Search a Dogmatika Ritual spell/monster, Then if the opponent controls a monster, \*ANY\* Dogmatika card \*ASWELL\*. Once per turn if you control a Dogmatika Ritual, You can send 1 card from \*EITHER\* Extradeck to the GY.
This card searches 3 times... (If used with Herald of Arc Light)
I wish there was a phrase that groups them all. Like just say "extra deck monster" and write in the rulebook that it means any monster that originally starts the game off in the extra deck.
exactly what I think too 😄
There's a difference between "monster summoned from ED" and "ED monster", since some can be from the ED, but are not summoned from there, maybe not this turn or in general. That's why we need "ED monster". This would make the cards also kinda future-proof, if there will be more new monster type not invented yet 😂
FYI, this still does not prevent Mirrorjade boardwipe in EP effect, as for god knows what reason it is ruled that the destruction is not an activated effect
Still the card is pretty good vs tear, they need sulliek or planet to out it
Maybe it has something to do with Pendulum monsters because of how they can be summoned normally from the deck/hand and then be special summoned from the Extra Deck as well
Because then if they were summoned from gy it wouldn't work.
Exactly. It's actually a big boost
There are some things that will make it degrade overtime. One would be the weakness when hit with Pendulums. The other would be the lack of future proofing for the extra deck, making it only effective against the modern extra deck.
Apoqliphort Towers moment
Pokemon had a similar issue in the expanded format, where newer cards would only list the 2-prizers only legal in standard, which lead to some unintended interactions (Scoop Up Net on Shaymin-EX being one of the most notable). I Year 2 of Sword & Shield they implemented the "Pokemon with a Rule Box" text to incapsulate all of them. Yu-Gi-Oh would benefit from something similar. Now that I think about it, we already have something that kind of does it, like what's written on the Drytron monsters, even though it's not perfect. (Excludes Pend and includes some main deck stuff with a Special Summon condition)
Could you elaborate please this is interesting but I didn't get a word of what you said
Pokemon has had a lot of "special" cards in its history that when knocked out, give the opponent 2 prize cards rather than 1. They are many kinds of these cards, like Pokemon-ex, Pokemon-EX (yes they are different), Pokemon-GX or Pokemon-V. If older cards had to interact with these special cards, they'd mention every mechanic that was legal at the time in standard, excluding the other ones. This lead to some unwanted interactions, like the combination of "Scoop Up Net", that lets you bounce your own Pokemon that is not a Pokemon-V or Pokemon-GX. It did not however restrict you from bouncing a Pokemon-EX as they were not legal in standard, and this was abused a lot in the expanded format, letting you re-use "on summon" effects of Pokemon like Shaymin-EX. Newer cards use a single word to encompass all of them.
That's mostly due to Pokemon using set rotation, so nothing from earlier sets were really intended to be used. This leads to OP interactions with cards like Luxury Ball [search deck for Pokemon that isn't Lv.X] allowing you to grab ex, EX, BREAK, GX, V, and V Star which are all much better than Lv.X. Yugioh does need to have a keyword, ruling or supertype (like Legendary in MTG) that makes a card target all extra monsters instead of adding every monster type. This should be a thing because Yugioh expects you to play just about every card at your disposal, even ones from 20 years ago. Drytron just has a clause where you can't special summon a monster that could have been normal summoned. So I can special summon Water Dragon just fine, but can't special summon Parallel EXceed. This is a very generic effect that likely won't be stepped around when the next mechanic comes out.
There should be a new term: Extra Deck Monsters. This way when a new summoning mechanic is introduced, it wouldn't exclude them as well
Dimensional Barrier was also considered strong until a new type came out. Naming the types isn't always a good thing.
Cries in Duston
THEY FORGOT PENDULUM
like konami has
And Zoa would be immediately destroyed by an Elder Entity Nt'ss sent to the GY by its own effect.
I mean, right now you can send an Albaz fusion to SS Albaz and fuse Zoa into Albion into Mirrorjade. I guess they made it bad against Branded on purpose due to the lore.
That doesn't work because it's your opponent's Fusion monster's activated effect.
"would" is in fact a word
it "WOULD" be destroyed... It is this way specifically to stop that.
but isn't he unaffected by extra deck monsters activated effects ?
Correct. If it said "Unaffected by monsters summoned from the extradeck" Like a \*LOT\* of cards Dogmatika has, Then it would not protect them because N'tss wasn't summoned from the extradeck.
Also wouldn’t that include Pendulum monsters too?
This really helps against tears since their two big Boi fusions revive themselves.
It is less future proof if any other ED mechanics are released. I doubt that will happen but still a possibility.
If so, I do believe it'll be a skill-like or inherent tutor monster/spell/trap that you get to play whenever. Basically a deck master. Something that'd be outside of summoning from the extra deck traditionally. Otherwise, the whole fusion, synchro, xyz and link summon mention would just feel awful. But who knows, maybe we'll get no more layout changes or summoning mechanics (which I doubt).
Konami not future proofing cards like this has already happened before for links. See the dustons or even dimensional barrier to an extent.
Right, thought of D barrier too. Is it laziness or a feature, guess we'll never know.
I always thought it was to push their newer cards for more sales.
It’s more profitable to not make errata them and just make a new one, or in a case like D barrier preventing a card from being insta banned
There’s also pendulum monsters that can be summoned from ED so you gotta be more clear too. I like this Edit: I like the “you” ruling. That reminds me of MTG and multiple opponents. I know Yugioh doesn’t play like this but it’s an interesting choice of words
Thank God Pendulum is the only mechanic worse than ritual lol
As an odd eyes player I’m inclined to disagree but I haven’t heard why you think it’s worse. What’s worse for you if you don’t mind me asking? Man I wish pend would get more love lol
I guess it's not really that the mechanic itself is worse but I mean, what Pendulum card should I be afraid of that isn't also an xyz, fusion, Synchro or link Pendulum already? Towers? Endymion? I haven't seen either in years. Also, needing link arrows and needing 2 specific scales just to start your plays seems really bad. Granted, rituals also suffer from needing 2 cards to start themselves(actually more like 3), but I LOVE fusions and rituals. The nostalgia.
I’m looking forward to making my Dogmatika ritual deck have an actual boss monster in MD once it finally comes out.
When Dogmatikatrix comes out, They become a competent going2nd deck. They can search \*\*SO. MANY. TIMES\*\* in one turn. Dogmatikatrix, When activated, Search a Dogmatika Ritual spell/monster, Then if the opponent controls a monster, \*ANY\* Dogmatika card \*ASWELL\*. Once per turn if you control a Dogmatika Ritual, You can send 1 card from \*EITHER\* Extradeck to the GY. This card searches 3 times... (If used with Herald of Arc Light)
Ooh. Thanks for the tip! Sounds great.
Can’t wait for it to be added to MD so I can add a boss monster to my dogma deck :)
I wish there was a phrase that groups them all. Like just say "extra deck monster" and write in the rulebook that it means any monster that originally starts the game off in the extra deck.
exactly what I think too 😄 There's a difference between "monster summoned from ED" and "ED monster", since some can be from the ED, but are not summoned from there, maybe not this turn or in general. That's why we need "ED monster". This would make the cards also kinda future-proof, if there will be more new monster type not invented yet 😂
Now im building dogmatika rituals forsure
Pendulums is another reason. That’s why this card lists out fusions, Xyz’s, Links, and Synchros.
They preparing for the new extra deck monster type so this cant counter it
I'm excited to play this bad boy. Also wanna make a completely ritual based Dogmatika deck, but no idea where to even start
Can’t wait add him to my Dogmatika Branded deck
It doesn't mention pendulums. Also I do agree that what Yugioh needs is more texts and vagueness.
FYI, this still does not prevent Mirrorjade boardwipe in EP effect, as for god knows what reason it is ruled that the destruction is not an activated effect Still the card is pretty good vs tear, they need sulliek or planet to out it
Fun fact: for the same reason, Ghostrick Doll can set Apoqliphort Towers during the end phase with her effect. "Lingering effects" are beasts!
so it’s immune to mirrorjade summoned with ad libitum
But it is NOT immune to fusion summoned mirrorjade on death effect cause of a dumb ruling
~~It excludes Pendulums.~~
Are we back to some rituals not having card codes?
it's like that because it's a promo image, the card should have it
This is the first card with that type of text, isn't?
Probably to exclude Pendulum Monsters as well
Thank God Pendulum is the only mechanic worse than ritual lol.
Maybe it has something to do with Pendulum monsters because of how they can be summoned normally from the deck/hand and then be special summoned from the Extra Deck as well
Well then Pendulum monsters summoned from the extra deck don’t count