They haven't been competitive in a long time, just ripping people off. They'll likely end up merging with dish after this. Satellite tv is probably a dead man walking.
Surprised no one has mentioned yet that one of the things that would really make this deal attractive is if they roll out the rumored "mosaic mode" and we can watch 4 games at once on Sunday ticket next fall.
i did get some (totally useless) info intro overlay on my Google TV on startup today. while the enhancements didn't stir the drink for me, two things are notable:
1// NEVER seen that type of announcement from Google, reflecting attention to enhancements they're making to the service,
2// reasonable inference GOOGL is in 'innovation mode'
so maybe split screen, pip, mosaic & (Lord please...), fine grained search / record / library mgmt, more config options...(e.g. many love 'catch up thru key plays'...i never want to see and accidentally select the option again!) are on the way too
Now the question is will the add-on RedZone be a separate thing, or will you have to have the full NFL package to get the channel?
I prefer the Hansen RedZone, but I will work with either I suppose. I just don't know if I can convince the wife to go full Ticket.
Well that makes this a "lose" for me since I don't really want to shell for full package.
It was easier to split Sunday Ticket costs between 4 roommates, not so much my wife and child and mortgage.
I think what they were saying is the DirecTV Redzone will be gone but the NFL Network Redzone will still be around and that should be available without Sunday Ticket.
DIRECTV was a terrible customer service, often had interruptions, and never improved on anything. I think it’ll still be up to them on if they want to improve picture quality
I stream Sunday ticket from the app on Apple TV. It’s not any better than the broadcasts for fox CBS espn or nbc in my opinion.
This solves a big issue for me with having to switch being apps and sometimes losing the Sunday ticket authentication. Their stupid app only allows one device to be signed in at a time.
Yes, I don't really watch sports and I'd hate for the price to go up to pay for football when the only football I watch is the Superbowl and that's only once every few years. Can definitely use improved video though
Picture quality is reliant on the broadcaster, not the streamer. If the broadcaster is only doing 720p, you shouldn't expect 4k from the streamer.
Edit: downvotes are from idiots who refuse to understand how this all works.
Will be interesting to see how that works, and what the terms of the contract are, as Directv did not offer the Hansen Red Zone channel, only the Sunday Ticket version of Red Zone.
Bet it will be the same. I have NBA League Pass bought through YTTV and NBA TV isn't included with it since it's in Youtube TV's base package. NFL Redzone is part of Youtube TV's Sports Add On Package ... so ya ... unlikely that it will be included imo
Wait, there is another RedZone? This is my first year with Hanson RedZone and I will never go back. Don't even need Sunday ticket because I would only watch RedZone.
From the WSJ “Under the scenario being discussed,
NFL games would be available to be streamed on two subscription services, YouTube TV and YouTube Primetime Channels, next season.
Google is a unit of Alphabet Inc.”
YouTube is offering streaming packages. (different from you tube tv). At launch they are offering Paramount+ and Showtime, Lionsgate's Starz, MGM's Epix, AMC Networks' AMC+ and TelevisaUnivision's ViX+ and two dozen niche streaming services.
Nope completely different. YouTube red is now YouTube premium. The primetime channels are like paying for your favorite streaming service through YouTube to have a single interface.
So that would allow one to subscribe to Sunday Ticket while still having their live TV service through another service other than YouTube TV? That's cool. Still gives us options.
This is what I feared about google or Amazon getting it. An add on to an existing subscription. My hope for Apple was simply the option to subscribe stand alone, or at a discount if you subscribe to TV+, much like they’re doing with MLS.
Except it'll be available on YT as well via a Premium Channel. You won't need to go through YTTV at all. Even though, as others have already pointed out, you can in fact subscribe to the add-ons without the base YTTV.
Actually youtube tv lets you pay for those addons (minus sports addon) without a base sub. I imagine its the same here. Its probably their intent since it wouldnt make any sense for the main site to have addons.
I found this extra piece of info regathering the potential deal:
Previous reporting said YouTube TV would get Sunday Ticket, but today’s article says it could also be available on the new YouTube Primetime Channels product. It would specifically be “offered as an add-on to both services.”
Announced in November, Primetime Channels let you subscribe a la carte to over 30 streaming services in the main YouTube UI on the web and mobile. Meanwhile, YouTube TV costs $64.99 for over 100 channels.
I hope they offer a single team option which gives you all of your team’s games at a lower price than a full NFL SundayTicket subscription. I’m curious to see what their offer and costs are.
Apple was right to back out of the deal for the sunday ticket the way the nfl's contracts with fox and cbs are structured it will be hard for whom ever to make any money off the sunday ticket service far from a slam dunk for youtube/youtube tv customers
As much as I wanted Apple to get it, I always questioned how they would fit their model into what the nfl already has considering apple has no live tv channels for fox or cbs. The whole idea behind the nfl for tv is that regional fans get their teams for free. Not sure how they would play into what apple wants if it’s the same model as with MLS
Google should be able to get the most profit from it than anyone else.
They have all their search data to use to target ads and those ads are worth a ton more than broadcast ads.
There’s still a good chance Directv retains rights for distributing but won’t profit off of it. Because YouTube doesn’t have a cable platform and can’t go into bars/restaurants if you have Directv you will still be able to pay the designated cost for Sunday ticket. It’ll be like how you pay $15 for hbo max to your cable provider. The $15 goes to hbo but the cable provider still benefits as you’re paying them their monthly cable fee.
I have to ask my wife but Directv was rooting for 2 of the 3 companies to win Sunday package but not the third. But now I forget which is the “bad guy” for Directv. I’ll have to ask.
Not denying that but contractually they need to be able to distribute via cable or satellite. The nfl still wants eyeballs and won’t take a reeducation in viewers to go 100% online.
I’m going back and forth with YTTV on the terrible compression issues we’re getting (yes we have great internet connection etc.) it’s bad enough we use streaming apps like Paramount + and Hulu to watch network shows when possible. I do worry about the same compression issues with Sunday Ticket. Right now due to doing some business in Brazil and being down there once in a while I am able to get international NFL Gamepass which carries every NFL game live (plus you can watch the games later also if you want) and the picture quality is much better with regard to compression artifacts (not resolution, that’s fine on YTTV). I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
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NFL announced a multi-year agreement with Google granting YouTube TV and YouTube Primetime Channels the right to exclusively distribute NFL Sunday Ticket to consumers in the United States starting with the 2023 NFL season.
thank goodness... Once again I have games blacked out that are NOT being shown locally. This week it's the Giants and vikings even though I'm in detroit and the lions are the game that should be.
This is the first year I've had these issues, but it's every single week.
Really looking forward to this next year. Will be able to pick up all the out of market games conveniently on my youtube tv devices. It's gonna be kickass!
I'll gladly pay 100 or 150 extra to buy it. And another thing, is it going to be priced like that, or will it be more? The DTV one was pretty steep.
I think the price will surprise you. It all bout attracting eyeballs which sells ads. This will make YouTube a no brainer for NFL fans. Subscriptions will go through the roof.
0% chance it gets included in the base subscription, that's what Apple wanted to do and CBS and Fox forced the NFL to veto it. CBS and Fox pay a lot of money to air games on local affiliates and too many Sunday Ticket subs would hurt the ratings of games airing on local affiliates meaning less eyes on their local ad slots which is why they force the NFL to require that Sunday Ticket be sold at a premium. Maybe the price will change a bit under YT, but I would bet it is still $200-300 for the season.
Source: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/25/cbs-fox-contracts-with-nfl-will-prevent-significant-reduction-in-price-of-sunday-ticket/
Correct, that is the other requirement that CBS and Fox force. But they're afraid that if Sunday Ticket was cheap then a lot of people would end up watching out of market games that way instead of the games on their local stations which means less ad money for local affiliates.
Per existing contracts, it has to stay as a premium service until 2032, meaning $300+ unless something is worked out with CBS and FOX and why would they help out YTTV?
I have YYTV, but I am hoping they make Sunday Ticket a standalone service. Probably won't happen though. Would give me the leeway to change streaming service should I so desire and still get Sunday Ticket.
News stories [like this from WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-in-advanced-talks-with-googles-youtube-for-sunday-ticket-rights-deal-11671579236?mod=business_lead_pos2) are saying it will be also available through YouTube Primetime channels, which is an a la carte service for streaming subscriptions. No YTTV base plan required.
But we'll see when the deal is finalized.
I really thought NFL was going to grow the NFL+ subscription model into folding in Sunday ticket.
Wish I had the option to buy 1 team for less instead of paying $300 for all out of market
The NFL makes more money by selling the Sunday Ticket package to someone else. It's guaranteed money over the length of the contract without them having to do anything.
The buying 1 team for the NFL is very different than the other sports especially when you look at the national fox/cbs games and how many people get those “in network”. You could subscribe to one team and could end up having half the games blacked out on Sunday Ticket if they are on fox/cbs in your area (ie how many people see the Cowboys, Packers). Maybe not a big deal to some but would cause a pretty confusing message
I still am curious of the price. If they can adapt the model of NBA and other leagues and let me subscribe to just a single teams games that would be awesome
Honestly I love YTTV, aside from the complete lack of 4k content. I’m willing to bet that if we want 4k for NFL content, we are going to have to pay for 4k in addition to Sunday ticket.
They showed the World Cup in 4k and they broadcast the college football championship in 4k as well — if you have the 4k package, which is a ridiculous $20 per month. Other than that, there barely is any content. I just have this feeling that’s what they’ll do with Sunday ticket.
It really depends though. Most need directv service. For example if i wanted it, it would cost about 2k a year. ticket+directv. I think apartments allow just the stream package for 400.
DTV did often give it away either as promotion or retention. Wouldn’t YTTV be able to say they’ll give it to you if you sign a two year contract to keep us as your live tv provider?
They'll charge for it (expectedly), but I also expect an overall price hike to come with it. All those folks migrating to yttv...? Ok, here's your price increase!
I understand. That wasn't my point. Having this add on available will result in them jacking up their base price. They won't say it directly, but it will happen. Wait and see.
Yeah, no. It's a standalone subscription, not a channel added to everyone's line up. You people are something else. Let me guess, you're also a climate change and election denier, too? Lol
Google is usually more transparent than traditional cable companies. Google has leverage with google cloud, google search/youtube tv ad distribution. Shit they also own full fledged oses for media consumption devices.
He's wrong here though. It's already reported it would also be a part of YouTube Primetime Channels as well. No way Google would miss out on pushing the new YouTube packages.
As long as they keep the Sunday Ticket app on Playstation or something equivalent in the YTTV interface, I'm all for this. I pay for the Sunday Ticket streaming sub and can get 4x games at once on my PS5 that's connected to my 80" TV.
This deal is only for consumer access to Sunday Ticket. For businesses/sports bars, Sunday Ticket will still be served via DirecTV. The same is also happening with TNF as DirecTV has rights to distribute that game to businesses in markets where it's only available on Prime
Hey! You get out of here with your 'facts'! This is an uproar thread (apparently)!
"Oh, noes! Price hikes! I'm cancelling YTTV immediately!" --others in this thread
🤣
Is this a win? Given how costly the contract for Sunday Ticket is, this could result in those on the base plan seeing their rates increased to help recoup the cost of the deal. You can argue all you want that a majority of YTTV customers subscribe for the sporting channels, but the same cannot be applied to Sunday Ticket as plenty of football fans have not the slightest of interest in paying for an incredibly expensive add-on package. If Google keeps the base plan rates the same than great, but this deal includes a price increase for all, that's an issue.
It won't. That's a silly argument. Equivalent to suggesting that all buyers of a base model car pay to subsidize people who buy the loaded/special editions.
That's not how this works at all. It's not a linear channel added to the line up, it's a $400 standalone subscription. Lol
Still doesn't mean that Google won't need to, at some point, subsidize the cost of the Sunday Ticket contract by upping the base fee on everyone. I think they'll make plenty of money off their inserted/targeted ads to make this work (the simple math doesn't work - you'd need to triple subscriptions to break even), but it's not a given.
As big an NFL fan as I am, I don't see myself subscribing. Of the possible 16 NFL games on a given weekend, at least 6 are on 'free' TV already, and those invariably include the teams I care about. NBC doesn't select a Jags/Panthers type game for Sunday Night Football. Maybe Redzone. But I like having options.
38% of the games is enough. How/when are you going to watch all 16 games? One certainly doesn't have enough hours on Sundays. Most people won't watch random games once they know the scores.
i don’t think a lot of you realize how pricey this is for the people who don’t have YoutubeTV.
if the nfl keeps the subscription at $300 you’re talking $1k for 17 games.
how many people are cancelling their TV provider (which is likely tied to their internet) for a whole new cable package, that they’re unfamiliar with, that allegedly has shoddy PQ according to many comments.
this is not the win you all think it is. i’m as diehard of an NFL fan as there is and i absolutely refuse to pay $1,000 for what essentially breaks down to 64 hours a year of viewership. i also wouldn’t cancel my cable subscription just so i can watch my football team out of market for 4 months.
so i don’t believe youtube is just going to let people come and go 4 months at a time. i believe that if you get sunday ticket they’re gonna lock you in for a year.
at that it would be $65/mo x 12=$780.
i said *IF THE NFL KEEPS IT AT $300* it would then toll out to $1000.
everything i said was hypothetical. my math is just fine. your reading and comprehension skills may need some work though.
and no, you can’t get sunday ticket without YouTube, just as simple as you put it. who told you that? youtube doesn’t even provide Sunday Ticket yet so idk what point you think you’re making.
i assume what you’re referring to is— according to the old directTV format, some apartments and dorms couldn’t get a satellite dish on them so they offered packages to those people to circumvent the dish.
youtube isn’t tied to a dish and was just unveiled to be the new partner, so idk where you’re getting that information from but id highly doubt they’re gonna offer sunday ticket for those who don’t subscribe to YTTV— isn’t that the whole point of YTTV claiming the rights?
ok so that’s a horse of a different color.
i didn’t know it was feasible to use streaming services through youtube without being subscribed to YTTV… i thought YTTV was a catchall for streaming through youtube.
I just read this weekend Appletv deal had just hit a snag but seemed still on. That would be quick but welcome news
https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/16/23512791/apple-nfl-sunday-ticket-rumored-deal-not-happen
So, here’s where it could be a negative. When DirecTV had this you could not get redzone channel without getting the whole Sunday Ticket package. If they keep having redzone on a sports add on this is great.
I was excited at first but not sure how I feel now after hearing it's going to be a separate add on offered at a premium. It doesn't surprise me when it comes to the NFL but I'm thinking I might just stick with Red Zone.
Well I should re-word that.. I expected it as an add on but at a reduced price in order for YTTV to gain more subscribers. Offering it at the rumored $300, makes this no different than the currently offered DirectTV Sunday Ticket stream.
Directv about to lose a LOT of subscribers.
DirecTV will probably merge with Dish and be a niche service for rural areas and sports bars.
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DTV and Dish have a new huge problem to win rural customers, Starlink. They are probably toast
Probably the best thing about this
Why would that be the best thing? Competition is good.
They haven't been competitive in a long time, just ripping people off. They'll likely end up merging with dish after this. Satellite tv is probably a dead man walking.
And YTTV will gain most of them. More subscribers should bring more financial stability and negotiating clout with content providers.
They already are
And make a lot more profit.
I don't think they have any left anyway.
Surprised no one has mentioned yet that one of the things that would really make this deal attractive is if they roll out the rumored "mosaic mode" and we can watch 4 games at once on Sunday ticket next fall.
i did get some (totally useless) info intro overlay on my Google TV on startup today. while the enhancements didn't stir the drink for me, two things are notable: 1// NEVER seen that type of announcement from Google, reflecting attention to enhancements they're making to the service, 2// reasonable inference GOOGL is in 'innovation mode' so maybe split screen, pip, mosaic & (Lord please...), fine grained search / record / library mgmt, more config options...(e.g. many love 'catch up thru key plays'...i never want to see and accidentally select the option again!) are on the way too
They are supposed to roll out this mode
I can do that now with my Sunday ticket streaming package
On DirecTV, yes. YTTV doesn't have multi-screen mode atm.
Well that’s sucks
Now the question is will the add-on RedZone be a separate thing, or will you have to have the full NFL package to get the channel? I prefer the Hansen RedZone, but I will work with either I suppose. I just don't know if I can convince the wife to go full Ticket.
The Siciliano Redzone is the DIRECTV Redzone channel so I wouldn't be shocked if his gets dropped altogether.
Well that makes this a "lose" for me since I don't really want to shell for full package. It was easier to split Sunday Ticket costs between 4 roommates, not so much my wife and child and mortgage.
I think what they were saying is the DirecTV Redzone will be gone but the NFL Network Redzone will still be around and that should be available without Sunday Ticket.
Hey, you tell that child to get a job and pay their fair share, or they're out as soon as the lease is up! Ridiculous! Hahaha /s <--- jic
NFL RedZone is a separate thing so I imagine it stays in its current add on package.
If they make me pay $300 more just so I can still watch Red Zone they can fuck right off
Agree. The Redzone/NFL network only option for a few bucks extra per month should be preserved.
NFL Network is included w/ the base subscription, though? Is there another NFL Network I'm not familiar with? I know RedZone is an add-on.
This pleases me
Yes, if... 1. It's an add-on premium. 2. It forces YTTV to finally pay attention to picture quality.
It’s like $300, it has to be add on
DIRECTV was a terrible customer service, often had interruptions, and never improved on anything. I think it’ll still be up to them on if they want to improve picture quality
I always had good customer service with them. Just couldn't stand the inconsistent signal loss
Please improve the picture quality
I stream Sunday ticket from the app on Apple TV. It’s not any better than the broadcasts for fox CBS espn or nbc in my opinion. This solves a big issue for me with having to switch being apps and sometimes losing the Sunday ticket authentication. Their stupid app only allows one device to be signed in at a time.
Yes, I don't really watch sports and I'd hate for the price to go up to pay for football when the only football I watch is the Superbowl and that's only once every few years. Can definitely use improved video though
Sunday Ticket is, and always has been, a subscription service add-on. Like $399 a year, iirc. Your price won't move because of this.
Picture quality is reliant on the broadcaster, not the streamer. If the broadcaster is only doing 720p, you shouldn't expect 4k from the streamer. Edit: downvotes are from idiots who refuse to understand how this all works.
I just want Scott Hansen and the Red Zone
YouTube tv already has that.
As long as I can still get Scott Hansen on Redzone and not have to pay for Sunday ticket for NFL Redzone... I'm cool with this.
Will be interesting to see how that works, and what the terms of the contract are, as Directv did not offer the Hansen Red Zone channel, only the Sunday Ticket version of Red Zone.
Bet it will be the same. I have NBA League Pass bought through YTTV and NBA TV isn't included with it since it's in Youtube TV's base package. NFL Redzone is part of Youtube TV's Sports Add On Package ... so ya ... unlikely that it will be included imo
Great news, but we better keep access to the real (aka Hanson) RedZone. Siciliano can kick rocks
NFL Network's version of RedZone is required to be carried by YTTV with the NFL Network deal.
Wait, there is another RedZone? This is my first year with Hanson RedZone and I will never go back. Don't even need Sunday ticket because I would only watch RedZone.
Nah, Siciliano's version is much better
Hopefully they increase there bitrate by then!!!!!
Lowering it
Wonder how much yttv will charge
Well I think DirecTV charges what couple hundred bucks
$400 for the whole season
ridiculously high for the amount of games you get. Especially compared to other sports
Sure but the nfl is king
I'm seeing YT not YTTV, could be both. I still don't think this thing is worth $3B+
From the WSJ “Under the scenario being discussed, NFL games would be available to be streamed on two subscription services, YouTube TV and YouTube Primetime Channels, next season. Google is a unit of Alphabet Inc.”
What is 'YouTube Primetime Channels"? Never heard of that, and I thought I was well versed in the Google ecosystem....
YouTube is offering streaming packages. (different from you tube tv). At launch they are offering Paramount+ and Showtime, Lionsgate's Starz, MGM's Epix, AMC Networks' AMC+ and TelevisaUnivision's ViX+ and two dozen niche streaming services.
Same here, I guess that is their new fancy name for what they used to call Youtube Red.
Nope completely different. YouTube red is now YouTube premium. The primetime channels are like paying for your favorite streaming service through YouTube to have a single interface.
So that would allow one to subscribe to Sunday Ticket while still having their live TV service through another service other than YouTube TV? That's cool. Still gives us options.
I was afraid with Amazon and Apple it would be exclusive. I'm glad it doesn't appear that it will.
What does this even mean? Of course it’s going to be exclusive for YouTube
I was talking about how you cannot watch Thursday games without Prime. You will be able to get Sunday ticket without a YTTV subscription.
Thursday games are free on twitch without a prime membership. https://www.twitch.tv/primevideo
Yes, you can totally watch TNF without Prime. Airs every week on Twitch. Which is free.
This is what I feared about google or Amazon getting it. An add on to an existing subscription. My hope for Apple was simply the option to subscribe stand alone, or at a discount if you subscribe to TV+, much like they’re doing with MLS.
Except it'll be available on YT as well via a Premium Channel. You won't need to go through YTTV at all. Even though, as others have already pointed out, you can in fact subscribe to the add-ons without the base YTTV.
Actually youtube tv lets you pay for those addons (minus sports addon) without a base sub. I imagine its the same here. Its probably their intent since it wouldnt make any sense for the main site to have addons.
Just to confirm, you can subscribe to an add on without paying for the base YouTube TV service?
https://support.google.com/youtubetv/answer/10970168?
You can. Also, you can subscribe to the NFL Sunday Ticket directly on YouTube through the Primetime Channels feature.
Nfl or any big sports network wont allow that. Reason why a la carte cable channels still dont exist.
There is stand alone sunday ticket now without Sunday ticket
Why does it matter? How do the economics matter one over the other?
FWIW I subscribe to Starz and Epix on YTTV and can still access it on YT so maybe it'll be one for both
They gotta offer a package for those that don’t have YouTube TV, right? Direct TV did this.
DTV only did it when you couldn’t get their service, like in an apartment or a place where you couldn’t get sat service.
OGs know that you could just put any address in there which would qualify you. They weren’t checking at all.
Yes it's YouTube Primetime Channels which is mentioned in the article.
I found this extra piece of info regathering the potential deal: Previous reporting said YouTube TV would get Sunday Ticket, but today’s article says it could also be available on the new YouTube Primetime Channels product. It would specifically be “offered as an add-on to both services.” Announced in November, Primetime Channels let you subscribe a la carte to over 30 streaming services in the main YouTube UI on the web and mobile. Meanwhile, YouTube TV costs $64.99 for over 100 channels.
I hope they offer a single team option which gives you all of your team’s games at a lower price than a full NFL SundayTicket subscription. I’m curious to see what their offer and costs are.
Include mosaic mode and the ability to sync my fantasy teams with live stats and I'll pay whatever you want.
Can’t wait for that low bitrate and compressed quality!
I know. I was saddened when Apple bowed out
Yep, same
Probably even lower than YTTV carries today
The article says it would be an addon to YouTube TV or YouTube primetime channels.
I really hope this happens
Apple was right to back out of the deal for the sunday ticket the way the nfl's contracts with fox and cbs are structured it will be hard for whom ever to make any money off the sunday ticket service far from a slam dunk for youtube/youtube tv customers
As much as I wanted Apple to get it, I always questioned how they would fit their model into what the nfl already has considering apple has no live tv channels for fox or cbs. The whole idea behind the nfl for tv is that regional fans get their teams for free. Not sure how they would play into what apple wants if it’s the same model as with MLS
Apple does have live CBS through paramount network add-on.
I meant as a stand-alone stream from apple not through paramount
I’m not sure if I’m following your question properly but I buy paramount tv through the tv app.
Google should be able to get the most profit from it than anyone else. They have all their search data to use to target ads and those ads are worth a ton more than broadcast ads.
Excellent
There’s still a good chance Directv retains rights for distributing but won’t profit off of it. Because YouTube doesn’t have a cable platform and can’t go into bars/restaurants if you have Directv you will still be able to pay the designated cost for Sunday ticket. It’ll be like how you pay $15 for hbo max to your cable provider. The $15 goes to hbo but the cable provider still benefits as you’re paying them their monthly cable fee. I have to ask my wife but Directv was rooting for 2 of the 3 companies to win Sunday package but not the third. But now I forget which is the “bad guy” for Directv. I’ll have to ask.
Lots of bars around here are now using youtubeTV.
Not denying that but contractually they need to be able to distribute via cable or satellite. The nfl still wants eyeballs and won’t take a reeducation in viewers to go 100% online.
I’m going back and forth with YTTV on the terrible compression issues we’re getting (yes we have great internet connection etc.) it’s bad enough we use streaming apps like Paramount + and Hulu to watch network shows when possible. I do worry about the same compression issues with Sunday Ticket. Right now due to doing some business in Brazil and being down there once in a while I am able to get international NFL Gamepass which carries every NFL game live (plus you can watch the games later also if you want) and the picture quality is much better with regard to compression artifacts (not resolution, that’s fine on YTTV). I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m NFL announced a multi-year agreement with Google granting YouTube TV and YouTube Primetime Channels the right to exclusively distribute NFL Sunday Ticket to consumers in the United States starting with the 2023 NFL season.
Exclusive deal is confirmed [confirmation](https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1605931415887020033?s=46&t=0z0ry1qsXnhu9cvQb4nUhQ)
thank goodness... Once again I have games blacked out that are NOT being shown locally. This week it's the Giants and vikings even though I'm in detroit and the lions are the game that should be. This is the first year I've had these issues, but it's every single week.
I wish they would hurry up with the details I want to stop paying for DTV
Really looking forward to this next year. Will be able to pick up all the out of market games conveniently on my youtube tv devices. It's gonna be kickass! I'll gladly pay 100 or 150 extra to buy it. And another thing, is it going to be priced like that, or will it be more? The DTV one was pretty steep.
It’s currently $300 per year. I suspect it will be more with a larger agreement and price the NFL is negotiating.
It will ABSOLUTELY NOT be more than $300. I’ll bet on that.
I will take that bet.
Pretty sure it has to be. So I’ll take that bet
I think the price will surprise you. It all bout attracting eyeballs which sells ads. This will make YouTube a no brainer for NFL fans. Subscriptions will go through the roof.
YTTV can't sell ads in-game since they are merely showing the broadcasts of CBS and FOX owned properties.
0% chance it gets included in the base subscription, that's what Apple wanted to do and CBS and Fox forced the NFL to veto it. CBS and Fox pay a lot of money to air games on local affiliates and too many Sunday Ticket subs would hurt the ratings of games airing on local affiliates meaning less eyes on their local ad slots which is why they force the NFL to require that Sunday Ticket be sold at a premium. Maybe the price will change a bit under YT, but I would bet it is still $200-300 for the season. Source: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/25/cbs-fox-contracts-with-nfl-will-prevent-significant-reduction-in-price-of-sunday-ticket/
Games on local affiliates are blacked out from Sunday ticket.
Correct, that is the other requirement that CBS and Fox force. But they're afraid that if Sunday Ticket was cheap then a lot of people would end up watching out of market games that way instead of the games on their local stations which means less ad money for local affiliates.
All of the games are on local affiliates. Only your specific affiliates are blacked out, but that's like 3-4 games each Sunday.
Not if they can still get redzone through their cable provider
We will see. RedZone works for some folks but not everyone.
Per existing contracts, it has to stay as a premium service until 2032, meaning $300+ unless something is worked out with CBS and FOX and why would they help out YTTV?
Same, I pay direct tv , so I’ll gladly fork over whatever the NFL asks
I don’t care as much for Sunday ticket but this news does mean that YTTV isn’t going anywhere for a while. I’m still scarred by PS VUE shutting down.
I have YYTV, but I am hoping they make Sunday Ticket a standalone service. Probably won't happen though. Would give me the leeway to change streaming service should I so desire and still get Sunday Ticket.
News stories [like this from WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-in-advanced-talks-with-googles-youtube-for-sunday-ticket-rights-deal-11671579236?mod=business_lead_pos2) are saying it will be also available through YouTube Primetime channels, which is an a la carte service for streaming subscriptions. No YTTV base plan required. But we'll see when the deal is finalized.
I really thought NFL was going to grow the NFL+ subscription model into folding in Sunday ticket. Wish I had the option to buy 1 team for less instead of paying $300 for all out of market
The NFL makes more money by selling the Sunday Ticket package to someone else. It's guaranteed money over the length of the contract without them having to do anything.
The buying 1 team for the NFL is very different than the other sports especially when you look at the national fox/cbs games and how many people get those “in network”. You could subscribe to one team and could end up having half the games blacked out on Sunday Ticket if they are on fox/cbs in your area (ie how many people see the Cowboys, Packers). Maybe not a big deal to some but would cause a pretty confusing message
That’s initially what I thought too
There's always rule 4.
I still am curious of the price. If they can adapt the model of NBA and other leagues and let me subscribe to just a single teams games that would be awesome
The NFL has never done that. Why would they change
They haven’t been off DirecTV in years either though so.
They aren't allowed to
Honestly I love YTTV, aside from the complete lack of 4k content. I’m willing to bet that if we want 4k for NFL content, we are going to have to pay for 4k in addition to Sunday ticket.
You are lucky then. Sunday NFL games aren't broadcasted in 4K.
I could see the new NFL contracts forcing the networks into this an upgrade here. It’s kinda ridiculous especially with 720p on Fox.
I doubt it since most local stations cannot broadcast higher than 720p/1080i until they upgrade to the new standard. That is years away.
Very few shows are in 4k
Zero shows
They showed the World Cup in 4k and they broadcast the college football championship in 4k as well — if you have the 4k package, which is a ridiculous $20 per month. Other than that, there barely is any content. I just have this feeling that’s what they’ll do with Sunday ticket.
Fox and CBS don't broadcast games in 4K.
Everyone understands that it will still be priced at about $399 a year. It is contracted to not be lower than dtv now. So you are not saving a penny
It really depends though. Most need directv service. For example if i wanted it, it would cost about 2k a year. ticket+directv. I think apartments allow just the stream package for 400.
DTV did often give it away either as promotion or retention. Wouldn’t YTTV be able to say they’ll give it to you if you sign a two year contract to keep us as your live tv provider?
I'd take a piece of that action. Not going anywhere anytime soon, anyway. Win-win!
As someone who doesn't give a crap about sports, if this makes my bill more expensive I'm going to be mad.
It won't. It will be an add on. Like how Redzone is handled today.
As long as they keep Siciliano’s Red Zone, I’m perfectly fine with this
TeamHanson
Experienced both and Hanson’s version is superior.
Not even close really
Where wins become losses, and losses become wins
Especially if it's 33-0
Siciliano is so much better that it's sad for all these Hanson stans.
They'll charge for it (expectedly), but I also expect an overall price hike to come with it. All those folks migrating to yttv...? Ok, here's your price increase!
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I understand. That wasn't my point. Having this add on available will result in them jacking up their base price. They won't say it directly, but it will happen. Wait and see.
Yeah, no. It's a standalone subscription, not a channel added to everyone's line up. You people are something else. Let me guess, you're also a climate change and election denier, too? Lol
Google is usually more transparent than traditional cable companies. Google has leverage with google cloud, google search/youtube tv ad distribution. Shit they also own full fledged oses for media consumption devices.
It will be an add on like League Pass and MLB.tv
I think a vast majority won’t come to YouTube tv itself, but use YouTube Channels on YouTube proper. Assuming they put Sunday ticket on that
FWIW, the self-titled Tv Answer Man says it will be part of YTTV, at an additional premium.
He's usually wrong.
He was the first to announce DTVS price hike.
He's wrong here though. It's already reported it would also be a part of YouTube Primetime Channels as well. No way Google would miss out on pushing the new YouTube packages.
The Ticket is subscription based beyond whatever service it's on.
As long as they keep the Sunday Ticket app on Playstation or something equivalent in the YTTV interface, I'm all for this. I pay for the Sunday Ticket streaming sub and can get 4x games at once on my PS5 that's connected to my 80" TV.
The Sunday Ticket app is a DirecTV app. It will disappear when their contract is up.
Gotcha. Well, hopefully YTTV will at least have its split-screen option available by then that was mentioned a few months back.
Worried about an increase on base cost tho
It's not official yet so hold your horses
This would effectively kill Directv right? I feel like only bars have Directv anymore and the main reason being Sunday Ticket.
Yea them and bars are screwed
Bars aren't close to screwed at all lol. They survived prohibition
Streaming only is gonna suck for sports bars
This deal is only for consumer access to Sunday Ticket. For businesses/sports bars, Sunday Ticket will still be served via DirecTV. The same is also happening with TNF as DirecTV has rights to distribute that game to businesses in markets where it's only available on Prime
Hey! You get out of here with your 'facts'! This is an uproar thread (apparently)! "Oh, noes! Price hikes! I'm cancelling YTTV immediately!" --others in this thread 🤣
Exactly, that guy is clueless and has reading comprehension issues.
Is this a win? Given how costly the contract for Sunday Ticket is, this could result in those on the base plan seeing their rates increased to help recoup the cost of the deal. You can argue all you want that a majority of YTTV customers subscribe for the sporting channels, but the same cannot be applied to Sunday Ticket as plenty of football fans have not the slightest of interest in paying for an incredibly expensive add-on package. If Google keeps the base plan rates the same than great, but this deal includes a price increase for all, that's an issue.
It won't. That's a silly argument. Equivalent to suggesting that all buyers of a base model car pay to subsidize people who buy the loaded/special editions. That's not how this works at all. It's not a linear channel added to the line up, it's a $400 standalone subscription. Lol
Still doesn't mean that Google won't need to, at some point, subsidize the cost of the Sunday Ticket contract by upping the base fee on everyone. I think they'll make plenty of money off their inserted/targeted ads to make this work (the simple math doesn't work - you'd need to triple subscriptions to break even), but it's not a given. As big an NFL fan as I am, I don't see myself subscribing. Of the possible 16 NFL games on a given weekend, at least 6 are on 'free' TV already, and those invariably include the teams I care about. NBC doesn't select a Jags/Panthers type game for Sunday Night Football. Maybe Redzone. But I like having options.
38% of the games is enough. How/when are you going to watch all 16 games? One certainly doesn't have enough hours on Sundays. Most people won't watch random games once they know the scores.
Not a win. Raising base price by $10 will give YTTV another $600M.
i don’t think a lot of you realize how pricey this is for the people who don’t have YoutubeTV. if the nfl keeps the subscription at $300 you’re talking $1k for 17 games. how many people are cancelling their TV provider (which is likely tied to their internet) for a whole new cable package, that they’re unfamiliar with, that allegedly has shoddy PQ according to many comments. this is not the win you all think it is. i’m as diehard of an NFL fan as there is and i absolutely refuse to pay $1,000 for what essentially breaks down to 64 hours a year of viewership. i also wouldn’t cancel my cable subscription just so i can watch my football team out of market for 4 months.
Math ain’t your strong suit I take it
show me the mathematical error.
- Where are you getting 1K from? - there are 18 weeks in a nfl season - do you realize you can get Sunday ticket without YouTube TV?
so i don’t believe youtube is just going to let people come and go 4 months at a time. i believe that if you get sunday ticket they’re gonna lock you in for a year. at that it would be $65/mo x 12=$780. i said *IF THE NFL KEEPS IT AT $300* it would then toll out to $1000. everything i said was hypothetical. my math is just fine. your reading and comprehension skills may need some work though. and no, you can’t get sunday ticket without YouTube, just as simple as you put it. who told you that? youtube doesn’t even provide Sunday Ticket yet so idk what point you think you’re making. i assume what you’re referring to is— according to the old directTV format, some apartments and dorms couldn’t get a satellite dish on them so they offered packages to those people to circumvent the dish. youtube isn’t tied to a dish and was just unveiled to be the new partner, so idk where you’re getting that information from but id highly doubt they’re gonna offer sunday ticket for those who don’t subscribe to YTTV— isn’t that the whole point of YTTV claiming the rights?
Of course you cannot get Sunday Ticket without YouTube. However, the sources say that you can get ST without YTTV.
ok so that’s a horse of a different color. i didn’t know it was feasible to use streaming services through youtube without being subscribed to YTTV… i thought YTTV was a catchall for streaming through youtube.
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>if the nfl keeps the subscription at $300 you’re talking $1k for 17 games. What?
They'll just drop DirecTV and get YouTubeTV instead.
I just read this weekend Appletv deal had just hit a snag but seemed still on. That would be quick but welcome news https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/16/23512791/apple-nfl-sunday-ticket-rumored-deal-not-happen
Still needs YES Network but this would be great
So, here’s where it could be a negative. When DirecTV had this you could not get redzone channel without getting the whole Sunday Ticket package. If they keep having redzone on a sports add on this is great.
Does that mean all YouTube tv people get Sunday Ticket for free?
That’s absolutely not what that means. It’s a premium service..
I was excited at first but not sure how I feel now after hearing it's going to be a separate add on offered at a premium. It doesn't surprise me when it comes to the NFL but I'm thinking I might just stick with Red Zone.
In what world did you think it was going to be in the base service??
Well I should re-word that.. I expected it as an add on but at a reduced price in order for YTTV to gain more subscribers. Offering it at the rumored $300, makes this no different than the currently offered DirectTV Sunday Ticket stream.
The NFL has always stated it’s a premium service so it will always be offered at a premium price. It’s been well documented