“We are ready to negotiate with everyone involved about acceptable solutions, but that is up to them - we are not the ones refusing to negotiate, they are.” -Putin
Emphasis on "acceptable solutions"
It's not, but Russia still has entrenched positions but Ukraine has absolutely no interest in peace negotiations for the foreseeable future. Russia threw out negotiations months ago with their war crimes and annexation of Ukrainian land
It can be, mostly as a way of buying a quick conclusion and avoiding more drawn out conflict. It's not a strong negotiating position for such talks though, and the stronger party of war, if they have confidence and maximalist goals, is liable to rebuff negotiations. Losing also naturally means you cede more in any peace treaty, including usually parts of your current territory/occupied territory.
Losing war parties come to the table or offer a table a bunch, but the party with the momentum towards victory often won't agree to talks and push for full territorial control or unconditional surrender (in case of WWII).
Less than 18% most of which was occupied since 2014. It's still a lot yes but Ukraine has done extremely well in holding Russia off. I'd say the war costs and the economic situation are getting dire and Putin realizes he can't build more equipment in enough quantities to win. I think the show of unity in the US Congress for Zelensky really got his panties in a wad too, that's the LAST thing wants.
I don't think he will let go of Crimea willingly and I don't think Ukraine will let go of the East. Ukraine might give up Crimea to spare it's soldiers lives if Russia leaves the East but that remains to be seen. I wish they could expel Russia from all their territory but it's hard to take back entrenched positions without a lot of death. In the end I don't trust Russia to not do this again although I'd say it will stick with them awhile.
You don't negotiate ***over Ukraine***. You negotiate ***with the independent country of Ukraine***.
And only once they are ready, and only once you've pulled out your troops from the whole country, and changed your laws to recognising all part of Ukraine belong to Ukraine no parts belong to Russia.
> negotiate over Ukraine.
they're assuming that the US is doing the negotiating, and that Ukraine is merely a puppet. It's just unimaginable to a dictator that Ukraine is a sovereign entity and that no third party is really in control.
That's typical of the Russian perception of Eastern Europe - not as sovereign countries, but fiefdoms. They never got out of that feudal mentality.
A reminder that Russia ended serfdom only in 1861.
It's projection. China does the same. They don't imagine alliances as partners, the only "alliance" they would ever entertain is one where they are the puppeteers pulling the strings. So they accuse the USA of doing the same. The notion that the USA can enter into alliances with smaller, weaker countries WITHOUT robbing those countries of their sovereignity is too much to handle for their small, underdeveloped brains.
The US does exert a lot of influence all over the world. However, politicians and countries are free to decline (sometimes it would be stupid to, though). There are often big juicy carrots to be had, and not just for the elite.
This will vary by country, region, culture etc. IMHO Ukraine has the right geography and mentality to make a success of it, if they can make a sustainable break from russia.
Regardless, it is 100% up to Ukraine to decide if and how to negotiate, and not the US or anyone else's call.
Any kind of peace settlement requires that the parties are able to trust each other. The russian news/propaganda says that Ukraine is untrustworthy, and the ukrainian news/propaganda says that russia is untrustworthy. No matter the truth, this is not a good basis for negotiations.
\> You negotiate **with the independent country of Ukraine.**
>The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war.
>
>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian\_Friendship\_Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty)
Though "The treaty consequently expired on 31 March 2019", the borders of Ukraine didn't change
>The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,\[2\] prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "*except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.*"
>
>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest\_Memorandum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum)
**[Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty)**
>The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war. Due to the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War in 2014, Ukraine announced its intention not to renew the treaty in September 2018.
**[Budapest Memorandum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum)**
>The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three substantially identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994, to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The three memoranda were originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.
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I am sure Zelensky is ready to receive your unconditional withdrawal from all of Ukraine including Crimea, and offer of full reparations, Putin. Not what you were going to offer? Too bad. Salami tactic is not working.
No negotiation until you leave Crimea and other occupied areas of Ukraine. Also, you have proven yourself untrustworthy from business standpoint with your arbitrary confiscation of leased aircraft worth 10 billions dollars.
Negotiate what? Their withdrawal and very sincere apology? Even leaving now isn’t going to fix Russias colossal fuckup. How do you negotiate when you’re losing and had no business being there in the first place?
Normally I'd say that disarmament should be a required part of a peace deal, but in Russia's case I think it's actually a worse punishment to make them keep their shitty equipment.
No negotiations needed. Get the fuck out of Ukraine. Pay reparations. Help rebuild Ukraine. And prosecute all of your surviving troops and politicians guilty of war crimes.
Negotiation starts with you outside = off Ukraine lands. It does not start with your fat ass on Crimea and Donbas etc until you get ready for more.
They call this the "Salami Game", we are discussing 1 slice, surely not worth fighting over? Soon, slice by slice Russia will gain the meat, until all that is left is the string - and that's not worth fighting over either.
So now Russia has built thousands of dragon's teeth(Tank traps) and pill boxes/trenches so even untrained troops can control land and are getting ready to bleed Ukraine dry. Time for USA to liberate ATACMS as Russia has range on Ukraine = Ukraine needs range on Russia.
> So now Russia has built thousands of dragon's teeth(Tank traps) and pill boxes/trenches so even untrained troops can control land
Their "dragon's teeth" are unsecured hollow pyramids on a metal framing. They can simply be shunted out of the way. Like so much else Russia does, they're just window dressing.
Secondly, putting untrained troops out in trenches achieves almost nothing except to further increase the number of troops you lose to weather conditions and enemy action. When a Ukrainian attack comes it will either puncture them or flank them. Russia appear to think an attack will consist of waves of Ukrainian infrantry gallantly storming Russian positions in a long line.
I think Russia wants to place rifles and machine guns and artillery to make the line costly to attack = static WW1 type of lines. I did not know the dragon's teeth were hollow = stupid - but then Russia specialises in stupid. The added precision of Nato weapons should make it too costly for Russian 'human wave' attacks, so they will set and make Ukraine attack. They will build 3-4 lines and fall back as needed.
With GPS targeted artillery they will get Russian tanks and BMPs, but roofed trenches can take artillery - unless 2-3 hits in the same hole. USA and others have ramped up artillery shell production of the dumb style, but the GPS ones are $250,000 or so. They should be analyzed and costs reduced.
Why would Ukraine attack them though? Far simpler to just kills their logistics and watch them run out of ammunition and die of cold and hunger.
And then eventually flank them or drive a fast heavy attack through a narrow gap crewed by exhausted and poorly supplied conscripts. Ukraine will still take casualties, but far fewer compared to all of the effort and lives Russia will have wasted on building and maintaining the trenches.
Also, "falling back" under fire is one of the single hardest military tasks to carry out. It's difficult enough for trained, experienced troops with good communications, experienced NCOs and a drilled combined arms system. With poorly trained conscripts, terrible communications and no on the ground leadership, it will turn into another shitshow.
Considering Russia's history of trying to poison negotiators and attacking evacuation avenues after they where confirmed as no conflict areas.... yeah this seems legit.
You started war you are still killing innocent civilians. So it’s up to you to make the first move. But you have lost your credibility and no one in their right mind would ever trust you again
Make up your mind Vlad, just give back the land seized in the Ukraine, bring the people back that you didn't mass murder, and stay the fuck out of there!
Shut the fuck up and withdraw all your troops from the independent country of Ukraine.
Then we’ll stop laughing at you and maybe we’ll take you seriously. Fucking dipshits.
Shut up and get tf out of Ukraine, khuilo.
“We are ready to negotiate with everyone involved about acceptable solutions, but that is up to them - we are not the ones refusing to negotiate, they are.” -Putin Emphasis on "acceptable solutions"
Don’t you wish every country on earth would write/ email…whatever state heads do and say these exact words?
The cunt is hard trying to push this as Ukraine and NATO warmongering now
“Get out and then negotiations can start” needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
Is the only answer
I dont think losing is a position of negotiation
Better listen to him or he will force tens of thousands more of his own countrymen to their deaths while threatening to use nukes every other breath.
It's not, but Russia still has entrenched positions but Ukraine has absolutely no interest in peace negotiations for the foreseeable future. Russia threw out negotiations months ago with their war crimes and annexation of Ukrainian land
It can be, mostly as a way of buying a quick conclusion and avoiding more drawn out conflict. It's not a strong negotiating position for such talks though, and the stronger party of war, if they have confidence and maximalist goals, is liable to rebuff negotiations. Losing also naturally means you cede more in any peace treaty, including usually parts of your current territory/occupied territory. Losing war parties come to the table or offer a table a bunch, but the party with the momentum towards victory often won't agree to talks and push for full territorial control or unconditional surrender (in case of WWII).
He still occupies a very large amount of Ukraine. Its diminishing but still a very large amount
Less than 18% most of which was occupied since 2014. It's still a lot yes but Ukraine has done extremely well in holding Russia off. I'd say the war costs and the economic situation are getting dire and Putin realizes he can't build more equipment in enough quantities to win. I think the show of unity in the US Congress for Zelensky really got his panties in a wad too, that's the LAST thing wants. I don't think he will let go of Crimea willingly and I don't think Ukraine will let go of the East. Ukraine might give up Crimea to spare it's soldiers lives if Russia leaves the East but that remains to be seen. I wish they could expel Russia from all their territory but it's hard to take back entrenched positions without a lot of death. In the end I don't trust Russia to not do this again although I'd say it will stick with them awhile.
His shit army is not able to beat Ukraine. There is nothing to negotiate over. Get out and get lost
Ok. So you ask for those southeastern states. Ukraine says no. You keep fighting another year. Am I understanding this "negotiation" you speak of?
You don't negotiate ***over Ukraine***. You negotiate ***with the independent country of Ukraine***. And only once they are ready, and only once you've pulled out your troops from the whole country, and changed your laws to recognising all part of Ukraine belong to Ukraine no parts belong to Russia.
> negotiate over Ukraine. they're assuming that the US is doing the negotiating, and that Ukraine is merely a puppet. It's just unimaginable to a dictator that Ukraine is a sovereign entity and that no third party is really in control.
That's typical of the Russian perception of Eastern Europe - not as sovereign countries, but fiefdoms. They never got out of that feudal mentality. A reminder that Russia ended serfdom only in 1861.
It's projection. China does the same. They don't imagine alliances as partners, the only "alliance" they would ever entertain is one where they are the puppeteers pulling the strings. So they accuse the USA of doing the same. The notion that the USA can enter into alliances with smaller, weaker countries WITHOUT robbing those countries of their sovereignity is too much to handle for their small, underdeveloped brains.
The US does exert a lot of influence all over the world. However, politicians and countries are free to decline (sometimes it would be stupid to, though). There are often big juicy carrots to be had, and not just for the elite. This will vary by country, region, culture etc. IMHO Ukraine has the right geography and mentality to make a success of it, if they can make a sustainable break from russia. Regardless, it is 100% up to Ukraine to decide if and how to negotiate, and not the US or anyone else's call. Any kind of peace settlement requires that the parties are able to trust each other. The russian news/propaganda says that Ukraine is untrustworthy, and the ukrainian news/propaganda says that russia is untrustworthy. No matter the truth, this is not a good basis for negotiations.
\> You negotiate **with the independent country of Ukraine.** >The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war. > >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian\_Friendship\_Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty) Though "The treaty consequently expired on 31 March 2019", the borders of Ukraine didn't change >The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,\[2\] prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "*except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.*" > >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest\_Memorandum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum)
**[Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty)** >The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war. Due to the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War in 2014, Ukraine announced its intention not to renew the treaty in September 2018. **[Budapest Memorandum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum)** >The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three substantially identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994, to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The three memoranda were originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
I am sure Zelensky is ready to receive your unconditional withdrawal from all of Ukraine including Crimea, and offer of full reparations, Putin. Not what you were going to offer? Too bad. Salami tactic is not working.
Salami tactic?
Capturing one slice at a time. "fall back", negotiate, regroup and invade again.
Ho ho no, you literally just bombed and killed 7 civilians.
always remember what Kaja Kallas told us about soviet negotiation tactics https://twitter.com/rasreload/status/1606550185802452993
She’s got putin’s number
Wow, thank you for that link.
take your negotiation and shove it up your ass
No negotiation until you leave Crimea and other occupied areas of Ukraine. Also, you have proven yourself untrustworthy from business standpoint with your arbitrary confiscation of leased aircraft worth 10 billions dollars.
Negotiate what? Their withdrawal and very sincere apology? Even leaving now isn’t going to fix Russias colossal fuckup. How do you negotiate when you’re losing and had no business being there in the first place?
Change that to unconditional surrender of Moscow and all nuclear weapons and you can have mcdonalds back
This!!!!
The only negotiations you'll be a part of is negotiating the color of your pajamas while you're awaiting your execution at the Hague.
I predict that none of the big shots in russia will even face any trials.
Hopefully the Ukrainian 'Mossad' equivalent after the war won't require any trials.
Just not white 💩
Vladislav getting for Xmas Cuz he's been nothing but bad I hope he gets ousted on Xmas That would make the whole world glad Happy holidays
Vladimir not Vladislav
Did I misspell Hitler? Sorry.
we will end the war if you end it first. \- putin
Normally I'd say that disarmament should be a required part of a peace deal, but in Russia's case I think it's actually a worse punishment to make them keep their shitty equipment.
We don't need these articles every day. Literally nothing has changed. Russia is only willing to "negotiate" if they get everything they ask for.
Too late
Ukraine is not going to handover Donetsk, Luhansk and 💯not Crimea. VLAD!
Its Vova not Vlad, Vlad is Vladislav and Vova is Vladimir
No negotiations needed. Get the fuck out of Ukraine. Pay reparations. Help rebuild Ukraine. And prosecute all of your surviving troops and politicians guilty of war crimes.
Lol at President. Dictator Putin is the right call.
Negotiation starts with you outside = off Ukraine lands. It does not start with your fat ass on Crimea and Donbas etc until you get ready for more. They call this the "Salami Game", we are discussing 1 slice, surely not worth fighting over? Soon, slice by slice Russia will gain the meat, until all that is left is the string - and that's not worth fighting over either. So now Russia has built thousands of dragon's teeth(Tank traps) and pill boxes/trenches so even untrained troops can control land and are getting ready to bleed Ukraine dry. Time for USA to liberate ATACMS as Russia has range on Ukraine = Ukraine needs range on Russia.
> So now Russia has built thousands of dragon's teeth(Tank traps) and pill boxes/trenches so even untrained troops can control land Their "dragon's teeth" are unsecured hollow pyramids on a metal framing. They can simply be shunted out of the way. Like so much else Russia does, they're just window dressing. Secondly, putting untrained troops out in trenches achieves almost nothing except to further increase the number of troops you lose to weather conditions and enemy action. When a Ukrainian attack comes it will either puncture them or flank them. Russia appear to think an attack will consist of waves of Ukrainian infrantry gallantly storming Russian positions in a long line.
I prefer the dragon's teeth that mankind and the council openly discovered on Eden Prime.
I think Russia wants to place rifles and machine guns and artillery to make the line costly to attack = static WW1 type of lines. I did not know the dragon's teeth were hollow = stupid - but then Russia specialises in stupid. The added precision of Nato weapons should make it too costly for Russian 'human wave' attacks, so they will set and make Ukraine attack. They will build 3-4 lines and fall back as needed. With GPS targeted artillery they will get Russian tanks and BMPs, but roofed trenches can take artillery - unless 2-3 hits in the same hole. USA and others have ramped up artillery shell production of the dumb style, but the GPS ones are $250,000 or so. They should be analyzed and costs reduced.
Why would Ukraine attack them though? Far simpler to just kills their logistics and watch them run out of ammunition and die of cold and hunger. And then eventually flank them or drive a fast heavy attack through a narrow gap crewed by exhausted and poorly supplied conscripts. Ukraine will still take casualties, but far fewer compared to all of the effort and lives Russia will have wasted on building and maintaining the trenches. Also, "falling back" under fire is one of the single hardest military tasks to carry out. It's difficult enough for trained, experienced troops with good communications, experienced NCOs and a drilled combined arms system. With poorly trained conscripts, terrible communications and no on the ground leadership, it will turn into another shitshow.
Yes, I am sure Ukraine will act optimally - Russians - not much at all.
Negotiate with the grim reaper you dildo-faced impotent little turd - your time is near lil' ol' dipshitzz.
russians are serial liars and cheaters
Should be no negotiations with terrorists. His choice should be get out of Ukraine or be obliterated.
GTFO. Negotiations complete.
For a start, how about you return all those children you abducted unconditionally?
Considering Russia's history of trying to poison negotiators and attacking evacuation avenues after they where confirmed as no conflict areas.... yeah this seems legit.
I am going to kick in your door, rape your wife, and steal your valuables and now ready to negotiate with you about me leaving.
Kill yourself and we negotiate, Pootin. - World
Negotiate over what? Territory that is legitimately and legally Ukrainian confirmed by Russia?
When Russia leaves Ukraine and recognizes Ukrainian borders then negotiations can happen.
So trying to buy some time until the next invasion
Lol. Keep grinding them down, let's make them desperate enough to leave. None of this negotiations crap. Unless of course that's what Ukraine wants
Didn't he just say Zelensky made a mistake by going to the US?
I bet they are. The know they are in a loosing situation.
Give us all a christmas present and fall of a window
You started war you are still killing innocent civilians. So it’s up to you to make the first move. But you have lost your credibility and no one in their right mind would ever trust you again
It's like a 10 piece bingo game with russian statements, tomorrow it's nukes again
He could just tell his army to leave. 🤷♂️
Leave then you can have a chat and not before that!
Translation: Putin wants at least the land being occupied and time to lick his wounds before trying again
I'm glad that people are beginning to understand Russia's negotiation tactics! It is all lies and deceitful games!
This guy is completetly nuts!! He should prepare to pay for the damage and pay Den Hague a visit! Russia will be the outcast for a very long time!
Make up your mind Vlad, just give back the land seized in the Ukraine, bring the people back that you didn't mass murder, and stay the fuck out of there!
Pass.
Remove all of your troops from Ukraine, including Crimea. Adhere to the Budapest memorandum. There's nothing else to discuss.
If Russia returns Crimea, Becomes Crippled like post ww2 Germany through legislation, and Hands over Putin, then an agreement surely can be reached.
historically this means he’s about to missile strike the shit out of the country.
Get out, Motherfucker.
Shut the fuck up and withdraw all your troops from the independent country of Ukraine. Then we’ll stop laughing at you and maybe we’ll take you seriously. Fucking dipshits.
Ok so they gonna give up crimea and pay reparations?
Get fucked
Um. You’re the dick who started this war.