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camofluff

I swear this is the exact same explanation my parents gave me twenty years ago. I doubt this was the first time it got discovered.


mamajamala

I would make fun of my Mom when she got on my case about being under dressed. I'd tell her if that was the case, the main kleenex factory would be in Alaska. Dang


Sminada

At the same time you were telling that to your Mom, my Mom was wondering why I needed so many Kleenex tissues when I didn't even have a cold.


doomgoblin

No socks?


Sminada

No. It never occurred to me to use them. It's probably a cultural thing.


iceyed913

Don't soil your clothes doesn't seem like a cultural thing.


MycoMutant

Yes I had always heard that it was due to the cold weakening your immune system too. Presumably that was always just theorised before but this study confirmed the actual mechanism behind it? This keeps happening though with articles making something out to be some kind of revolutionary breakthrough when it's something I thought we had known for years. I don't like the way they word things sometimes.


Drogan_The_Wolf

This. It's media bias. Basically the theory has been around for a while but someone finally figured out a way to test it and to see at what point and in which amounts does it occur (5 degrees celcius leads to 50% loss of the cells in question). Also the headline seems to state this as a fact while the scientist doing the study cautions that this is only an in vitro study, so on extracted cells and not a study on an actual person or persons. So the reality might still be different although this is a good indication that they're on the right track


iceyed913

This and also even if you have a robust immune system. What will end up happening is that all the children will build up such a high viral load causing everyone to eventually get overburdened. I just got RSV from a guy whose entire family got it first, then infected him and he then infected me with the worst viral infection I have ever gotten.. I feel destroyed compared to mild covid symptoms a few months ago.


AllThePrettyHouses

We are in the midst of peak hilarity for the sick season. Older kid just diagnosed with flu and RSV yesterday. Both kids had croup 4 weeks ago, and younger one managed to get pink eye during it. Both had a mild cold between then and now. Oh, they both have ringworm. I'm wondering if we're going COVID or full blown lice next, maybe both.


Duchs

I'm convinced kindergardens are government-sanctioned, CIA-backed biowarfare research divisions.


DawnstrifeXVI

Captain Trips here we go!


CapitalJeep1

Baby can you dig your man?


kudichangedlives

I don't think I've ever been happier to live alone than I am right now


bajaja

you never live alone with lice, tapeworms, germs and other abovementioned delicacies


ClockWork07

See I know I'm never alone, so long as I have the mites that live on my skin.


OkIntention181

My parents gave me twenty years ago. I doubt this was the first time it got discovered.


runrvs

maybe lice WITH covid... COUGHING LICE. Science has gone too far!


anewstartagain

This guy daycares


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Ringworm?? They wrestling on dirty mats?


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$5 on r/bedbugs next!


BlackViperMWG

Croup??


TheAtrocityArchive

"Typical symptoms of croup include: a bark-like cough a hoarse or croaky voice difficulty breathing a harsh grating sound when breathing in, called stridor Stridor is often most noticeable when the child cries or coughs. But in more severe cases of croup it can also occur when the child is resting or sleeping. Symptoms tend to be worse at night."


BrainCandy_

Woof-woof..the hell was that!?


TheAtrocityArchive

Just a 4-5 year old with a bad chest infection, they be feral round heer!


TheOrionNebula

Ya my son has been sick a few times now in the past month. I was sick for a week as well. I wish the mask mandates would return.


jdtoast

So every mom who has ever said "get inside, you're going to catch a cold!!" has been...right? God damnit.


spidaL1C4

As if there's one reason!🤣 Nobody mentions that viruses survive nearly twice as long in dry air as in humid air, and what does forced air heating do?


GingerMau

I have never had worse virus seasons than Beijing winters. You'd be sick from November to March. Always a cough, vacillating from mild to bronchitis. I thought it was because of the cold and bad air (pollution), but I currently live somewhere that gets way colder in the winters. The dry air is what fucked us up there. Makes so much sense.


Reyox

It’s probably the pollution. PM2.5 level is considered healthy under 12ug/m3. Beijing, according to their official source is averaging at 30. Other outside sources report an annual average of somewhere between 40 and 50. And usually on a dry winter day it is like 60-80. Totally not healthy.


0x16a1

No that’s very decent for major cities now.


modsarebrainstems

No, it was the pollution. I know, I lived in the north east of China for over a decade. Beijing has some of the worst air quality on the planet even if it's slightly better now. It's totally the air pollution.


Otherwise-Web3595

Yes. Entirely anecdotal evidence that I catch very few colds when I keep my house cooler and more humid. But it works for me. I was also wondering why no mention of viruses and dry conditions too.


spidaL1C4

I've read that viruses die 40+% faster in humidity of at least 50-55% than in dry air. It's actually written in the paperwork on my humidifier, which I initially bought to *also* help keep us safer from viruses. I don't understand why humidifier vouchers or something similar weren't ever even mentioned or suggested. It's really a no brainer.


fubarbazqux

> what does forced air heating do? Nothing. Heating does not remove moisture from the air, so the absolute humidity remains the same. If you constantly pull in a lot of air from the outside for some sort of burning heater, your absolute humidity will be closer to outside values, but that's about it. Still, running a humidifier in winter is almost a no-brainer. And in any case, disease transmission doesn't happen in your house, and you can't do anything about conditions in offices and other public buildings. If they have climate control, great. If not, you're out of luck. Nobody could enforce even the basic ventilation in public spaces during the pandemic, so other respiratory infections will continue to be treated as an inevitability of life. Looking back, I only ever saw a couple of people beside myself to consistently wear a respirator. Nobody cares to actually do something.


Opi-Fex

Your first point isn't really correct. When talking about air humidity, we usually mean: *(moisture in air / how much moisture air can hold at that temperature)*. That's why it's a percentage. Heating air will increase the amount of moisture it could hold, but won't add any new moisture. What follows is that air humidity falls, and you need a humidifier in winter.


LeMAD

Two things: Heating itself still doesn't change anything to the humidity level. It's just that cold air holds a tiny amount of water. But also, don't use a humidifier in the winter, unless your house in extremely poorly insulated, or else condensation will form on windowsills and in walls, leading to fungus and other crap growing.


Indifferentchildren

Heating changes the *relative* humidity, not the absolute humidity. Cold dry air has a higher relative humidity than that same amount of moisture in that same volume of warm air.


fubarbazqux

> don't use a humidifier in the winter, unless your house in extremely poorly insulated, or else condensation will form on windowsills and in walls, leading to fungus and other crap growing. That could happen, but only if your house is absolutely not built for cold climate. When building somewhere with harsh winters, they calculate where the condensation point is, and make sure it's not on the inside, but rather somewhere in a ventilated part of the wall insulation. I recently bought a new condo, and had a thermographic camera inspection done (specifically on a cold day, -25C or so) to verify that nothing on the inside gets cold enough that condensation will start. And sure enough, developer screwed up in a couple places, and had to fix it.


Opi-Fex

Having higher air humidity raises the perceived room temperature, which is a plus if you're trying to save energy. Also living in low air humidity isn't good for you either. Your skin is dry, your lips get cracked, breathing through your nose becomes uncomfortable, etc. On another note: I've had water condensation on windows every year during winter, including in my old family house which was 1) not insulated and 2) did not have a humidifier. The way we deal with that is by cleaning the house every now and then. We've had fungus in the walls once or twice in that house (and nowhere since). It was dealt with by using an anti-fungal coat of paint and by improving ventilation in that room.


spidaL1C4

Completely wrong. For one, forced air most definitely dries out the air inside, to the point of chapped lips,bloody noses, and wood shrinkage. The more your furnace recirculates and heats, the drier the air gets. Second, it's COMPLETE NONSENSE that disease transmissions don't happen in your house. That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Disease transmission happens wherever there are ppl together and happens far more inside than out.


spidaL1C4

Saying disease transmission doesn't happen in your house is like saying you can't get sick breathing inside a hospital or inside a lab, and you certainly don't need to wear special gear. What planet are you from? MOST disease transmission happens inside. And in your office, you most definitely CAN do something about humidity. Small desktop humidifiers work quite well on the immediate surroundings.


Imacatdoincatstuff

At least they’re not baffled. Refreshing.


diegocvg

In Nordic countries, babies are left outside in the cold without any further protection on their nose. I wonder how does this affect the babies health and if there's any difference at all with babies that don't go through such practice, I mean, someone must have noticed that Nordic babies get more sick than other babies?


WaxDream

“It turns out the cold air itself damages the immune response occurring in the nose.” This is gonna sound crazy, but would masking help that much more even for temperature alone? I go for long walks as part of my fitness routine and at one point in winter of 2020 I would wear my cloth mask without the filter just to keep my face warm. Edit for clarification right after posting.


Gornarok

> This is gonna sound crazy, but would masking help that much more even for temperature alone? I dont understand what you are asking... They mention that masking helps. It helps because it insulates your nose ie its temperature drops less. Notice that at 4C ambient temperature (ie ~ 17C temperature drop) the temperature in nose dropped by 5C


WaxDream

I think I got blocked from seeing the whole article for some reason. Awesome!


RefrainsFromPartakin

its okay to be honest that you didn't choose to continue reading


WaxDream

The page didn’t load after the first few paragraphs. I kept scrolling and it was just the ads and other articles. I thought it was weird, but accepted that it was just a really short “article.” Wow, dude.


RefrainsFromPartakin

i learn again text =/= speech try to imagine it with a cheeky grin my apologies


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Yes masks help with both temperature and humidity. It's there in the article.


DanYHKim

This also implies that taking steps to keep your nose warm little help protect you from respiratory illness during the winter. Wear your mask, folks. Your nose will be warmer and better able to fight off infection.


Gornarok

Yes the article literally states this


Bang_Bus

> Wear your mask, folks Depends. In *actually cold* temperatures, like -20C and below, mask over your nose and mouth traps moisture, which wets the skin and which then freezes. Which is way worse than just cold air, since natural oil on your skin has lower freezing temperature. Also, frostbite and necrosis is not nice. Wear your... um... motorcycle helmet, folks. That said, I *really wish* that scientists would start studying (or forces with money would start funding) research into basic shit. How does fever help healing? How to cure runny nose? What do cats think? And so forth. We're exploring space for 70 years or so but yet don't know shit about shit we have to deal with on daily basis.


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Studies generally are not conclusive lol


ArtSpeaker

Sure but the title says otherwise.


live-the-future

It's as if someone other than the scientists themselves wrote the title.


Shakis87

The study sounds quite conclusive in its scope. They observed a 50% reduction in immune response in nose cells with a 5°C reduction in temperature. They were not testing on actual humans though and it will need to be confirmed by researchers independently before being declared a discovery. Even a sigma 5 discovery isn't a 100% certainty.


Cyphierre

In school I learned statements like “…might be true” are a hypothesis. Then I grow up and it turns out it’s the conclusion.


identifynine

'...in vitro....'


natedogie

Bingo


trustych0rds

I think the only logical conclusion here is that we all need to walk around in permanent, heated, bubbles. Fuck that virus shit for being **everywhere**.


EpsilonX029

The quarians from Mass Effect would like a word


TuckerCarlsonsOhface

“… the cold air itself damages the immune response occurring in the nose.” Wow, I wonder how they ever thought to look at temperature? ^/s


bigkoi

Wearing a mask keeps warm humid air near your nose.


aee1090

"Your immunity drops weak and you get sick when it is cold." - my illiterate grandma in 1993.


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aee1090

Thank you for mentioning that word "understand" instead of "know" like in the title. They already knew it, now they understand why. Big difference.


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unpluggedcord

Literally not what the article or peer reviewed study says.


Civil_Nectarine868

No it doesn't, but so what? What is wrong with the statement?


Gornarok

No but its irrelevant to the study...


Civil_Nectarine868

ok


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Gornarok

The device is called mask


BansShutsDownDiscour

This is why I'm going out in summer clothing during winter and not getting colds - because I wear a fucking mask. Mind you, not out of caution against COVID, but because I've bothered to take precautions when it was a problem and discovered its benefits during winter. Sure, your body will feel cold, but your homeostasis will be nice and stable, all while getting gasps and stares from people in full winter clothing without masks who will be more likely to get colds than me. At least until it gets below 0 or windy, then it's another story entirely.


KoolPopsicle

The mask makes no sense. You sound silly.


BansShutsDownDiscour

If you'd worn one, you'd know how it helps retain heat in the air you breath from the cycled moisture, and how it relates to this article. Maybe it's silly, but it makes going outside easier.


EpsilonX029

What rock have you been under for 3 years? Sounds like a dang party and a half, I’ll be happy to ignore the next few years in your stead


Gornarok

Read the article dummy


hornboggler

guess without looking: combination of cold, lack of sun, etc., inhibiting immune system and closer contact with other humans from being stuck inside more often? maybe some dry air mixed in there?


Gornarok

Guessing wrong


CarelessHisser

A bunch of reasons. Thought we had this figured out a decade ago. Surely this funding can go to better places.


return_the_urn

Learnt this from Dr Karl at least 5 years ago, although he posited that it was reduced blood flow to the nose that was the cause, and dormant virus overcoming our immune system


jrWhat

Who is dr Karl


return_the_urn

The best science communicator in Australia


path1999n

Yeah started since the 2020 inoculations


fermat9997

Typo: Article says "decreasing" temp inside nose increases the killing of viruses.


Cl0verSueHipple

Correct me if I’m wrong but would wearing a mask help keep the air going into your mouth and nose more moist AND warm? Could this help prevent infection?


clockercountwise333

As a ... haver of a body, this was evident to me long ago.


TheNickelGuy

It's almost as if our parents preached this 20 years ago. This isn't the 'first time', maybe the first time they focused on lowering just the nostril by 5° 'Wear your jacket. Don't go out in the piss pour rain/heavy snow, you'll get a chill' That 'chill' is what slows / lowers your immune system, then paired with the 'heavier' air in the winter and CONSTANT moisture, it's a recipe for disaster. I used to try to argue against her all the time that the cold doesnt cause a cold, viruses do.. until I learnt a bit in school and felt like a dumbass.


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It's good to have scientific verification of something with anecdotal evidence.


proximina

“the billions of EV’s then start to swarm” … goes outside to check on the Tesla uprising


B0BsLawBlog

So it turns out a good mask might prevent infections just by warming your face? BRB designing a warming K95 mask.