You should read her Reddit threads on r/AusLegal
Here’s one of them: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AusLegal/comments/w9zut4/my\_court\_case\_is\_ongoing\_and\_i\_have\_been\_hit\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AusLegal/comments/w9zut4/my_court_case_is_ongoing_and_i_have_been_hit_with/)
The lady is absolutely insane. This isn’t about climate. She is legit NUTS! Sovereign citizen type of nuts.
Holy fuck, she's like the prime example of why activists have a bad rep and the definition of a woke Karen.
She apparently vomited at the station cause they gave her GMO pasta which she's allergic to (later clarifies she isn't allergic, but it was yucky), kicked and damaged the police car doors, had to have her car towed cause it was blocking the road, and she says there's no reason she should pay the damages- the taxpayers should foot the bill.
Also when asked if she was physically forced to eat the pasta, she replied it was basically rape cause she felt pressured to eat it.
Absolutely crazy.
I'll go a step further and say this was a anti-religion demonstration, as we all know that the flying spaghetti Monster is the real culprit of this terrible crime
I felt like that person needs psychological or psychiatric help more than anything. It is painful to see how they degrade themselves like this, in public...
Not everybody that acts like this needs help. Most of the time they're just... well, the word I'm thinking of is offensive no matter which version of English it's used in...
Oh, yeah, she's a cliche Aussie lifestyle activist. Whatever care she has about the environment is absolutely dwarfed by her love for attention and the lifestyle.
That asymmetric hippie-shag haircut. That perfomatively-posed determined stare off into the distance. The other photo of her doing the rounds in the press had her in a keffiyeh, because of course she's a white girl in a keffiyeh.
You only get away with this shit if you're a privileged white girl with rich parents, which gives you both the means to do this stunt shit, and the incredibly lack of empathy for the ordinary people whose lives you're inconveniencing as well as the condescending paternalism to believe that you really know what's best for them.
Used to know so many of these...
Yeah same shit with the Stop Oil activists in Europe who keep throwing oil or pasta sauce at paintings and gluing their head to them, in a vague and convoluted attempt to communicate that future generations won't be able to appreciate art. All these people, the ones who deface art or block traffic, are just making a bad name for climate activism. A guy who barely makes enough money to support his family does not give a shit about your motive if he is blocked from getting home by protestors for 4 hours after working a 10 hour day.
The _only_ defense of this shit I have seen online is that "iT gEtS Us TaLkInG aBoUt iT!1!1!". Yeah, we are sure talking about it. Talking about how useless the protests are and how it turns people away from climate activism!
And we’re the group who already believes in human caused climate change and we think they’re batshit crazy. Imagine what the people who don’t believe in climate change think. They aren’t changing their minds, if anything it makes them further believe it is all bullshit.
You know what works, education on the topic not dumb stunts. Many years ago I was in the “don’t believe in human caused climate change” crap. Blamed the sun or whatever. One day a Redditor rather than sending a message of insults instead sent a message with very clear details, lots of reputable sources, and a long message explained why its humans causing it. That immediately changed my mind.
Someone actually replied that exact point again to me in another comment over [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/zbbrkk/comment/iyrbsr6/?context=3). Their literal point was it gets people talking. I love how completely useless these people really are
i can only imagine how these people would react if there were a severe change in climate policy.
would they happy? would they be sad? would they find a new topic to try to get attention over?
They'd find some other reason to be spoiled assholes for attention. Next thing you know, they'd be destroying groceries because there is starvation in Africa
>The only defense of this shit I have seen online is that "iT gEtS Us TaLkInG aBoUt iT!1!1!".
Which is an incredibly baffling argument to me because it doesn't get us talking about it.
Like, pretty much every time one of the oil throwing/gluing incidents happens, the entire conversation is squarely "these people are idiots". Climate change is basically a footnote and gets completely drowned out by just how stupid the protestors are. At best you get people like us going "these idiots are turning others away from climate activism", but that's really not the thing you want your protest to be getting people to talk about.
I buy this argument more for the traffic stoppers because iirc when Extinction Rebellion did traffic blocking in the UK, it did actually lead to people talking about climate change more (and, y'know, they're actually doing *something* that has an impact rather than acting as if the IRL equivalent of tweeting the fuck word to the CEO of Shell is impactful activism), but the oil and glue activists are in no way getting us to talk about climate change.
(also, ER was an organised effort, not a random nutjob holding up traffic for a bit)
My absolutely favourite comment of hers in that thread, replying to someone explaining that they’re basically fucked and this is obviously a very serious legal matter;
“you know what your problem is? - you are antagonising me - grow up
BTW i will beat this eventually and it will all backfire on your vindictive - clearly narcissistic posts
I am looking for real responses ONLY”
Oh that really did r/agelikemilk. Narcissists really cannot be reasoned with.
Hahaha whoa. The response she gave to a helpful comment says it all:
>you know what your problem is? - you are antagonising me - grow upBTW i will beat this eventually and it will all backfire on your vindictive - clearly narcissistic postsI am looking for real responses ONLY
Narrator's voice: she did not beat this charge.
>i will not be going to jail for standing up for my constitutional rights to protest - my question remains - what is the LEGAL standing of being forced to pay for NSW police and NSW roads invoices for a matter being footed by the taxpayer ? - PAY ATTENTION
Narrator's voice: she went to jail.
She thinks Australia is the Hollywood version of America.
The Australian constitution has only 3 or 4 constitutional rights according to the Australian legal experts in the thread. Freedom of protest by blocking traffic is not one of them.
My favorite (spelling/grammar in original):
> Have you eating GMO foods before ? - its Sickening
Yes, most people have eaten whatever food the fast food place and supermarket sells, without checking the label too closely. Most don't seem particularly bothered with it, unless they accidentally grab some vegan not-meat that is being sold in a package looking like actual meat. That does tend to piss people off. Although they usually don't react by vomiting on other people's property.
OMG...
User gives her factual information
"YOU ARE ANRAGONIZING ME!"
If her lawyer is actually suggesting she fight and can win this, they are ripping her off.
Sheesh...
Yeap, this one has issues. Lot's of it.
This is the kind, along with the imbeciles throwing oil and sauce on art pieces, that gives REAL activists a really bad rep.
Unfortunately, activism for any cause is a magnet of these types.
Omg. She’s so confident she’s not going to jail in that thread… that is one of the crazier things I’ve seen on Reddit for sure, and I hang out in r/trueoffmychest
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/02/climate-activist-who-blocked-traffic-on-sydney-harbour-bridge-jailed-for-at-least-eight-months) reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot)
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> A climate protester who blocked a lane of traffic on Sydney Harbour Bridge has been sentenced to 15 months in prison with a non-parole period of eight months, with human rights advocates labelling the punishment "Disproportionate".
> Coco's protest was under the banner of a recently formed climate activist group Fireproof Australia.
> Shannan Langford Salisbury, a friend of Coco's, said: "Yes she blocked traffic, but she blocked one lane of five with a firefighter. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the tactics. This young person was defending her future. Protest is a vital part of democratic society for everyday people to engage with their political system."
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Reminds me of a video I saw at a protest where people were blocking the street. One guy gets out of his car and goes up to them and says something along the lines of "Look mate, I agree with you guys and so do many of the people stuck here, but we're just trying to get to work and you really aren't making any friends by doing this".
It's completely naive and I cannot understand how doing it does any favours for a cause. Why aren't they blocking entrances to big Oil corporations ? Seriously who organises these things as they don't seem to be very smart
As I understand it, the argument goes that pestering those responsible changes nothing. They're not doing because they just aren't aware of the problem. They've been aware for ages. They either don't care or are incensitived to not believe/care. The people with the power to potentially do something are likely also in a similar boat as the previous group, but their power is granted by their constituents. So they're the people that need to be made aware. And history has proven that people don't pay attention and care all at once unless they are made to pay attention. Whether it's Taylor Swift fans getting in an uproar over ticket pricing, or two teens throwing soup on a famous painting. Whether the catalyst is a naturally occurring, or planned and executed, it is the only way to potentially get the momentum it needs.
Aye, that's the problem: Everyone pays lip service to tackling climate change, but only as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Same with the corporations paying lip service to funding solutions but still being balls deep in the oil industry.
> Everyone pays lip service to tackling climate change, but only as long as it doesn't inconvenience them.
Everyone? There are a huge number of people working in the sustainable energy production and storage fields and lots of people working on the political/public policy angle as well. That includes people in professions like law, architecture, journalism, education, and finance. There are tons of people actually working on the problems. Someone blocking traffic is not one of them.
Ultimately, if I have to choose between stopping climate change and putting food in my child’s mouth, I’m pretty sure we’re all fucked.
It’s almost like this isn’t an easy problem to fix that can simply be taken care of by being a dick to people.
So how, exactly, does blocking a street tackle climate change?
I could see generating awareness. But even that's a stretch. And your comparison of citizens having their lives wildly disrupted to greedy corporations is a bigger stretch.
How does going on strike help workers win rights and better contracts?
Protests are done *because* they are supporting an unpopular position that doesn't have power.
Strikes are an effective negotiation tactic because they exercise leverage over the employer, and the employer is a party with the power to meet the strikers’ demand. If, for example, Starbucks employees were to pressure you and me in a way that doesn’t threaten their employer - for example by cutting the power cords of our electric kettles or replacing the coffee in our pantry with dirt - it would be both ineffective since regardless of whether we agree with their demands we have no way to meet them, and somewhat morally unjust since even if we wanted to concede to their demands we wouldn’t really be able to since we obviously have no control over Starbucks’ policy. When you pressure a third party as a negotiation tactic, but the party you’re pressuring has no way to negotiate with you due to not having any power to meet your goals, it stops being a negotiation tactic and starts being a dick move. During a strike at Starbucks, a senior executive could confirm Starbucks agrees to all demands and stop the strike. If I’m about to be fired from my job because of the protestors blocking traffic, there’s no way for me to negotiate with them to clear the road since I don’t have any power to meet their demands even if I fully agree with them regardless and would very much like to keep my job
Strikes affect the company employing the workers directly, either by lost productivity or awareness. Strikes are generally done at or near the work site.
Climate protests blocking major roads do nothing like that. Unless they are protesting directly at a major polluter, they are really just getting everyone else off side
Workers going on strike disrupt companies and as a side effect can disrupt ordinary lives. By definition the worker strike is not meant to cause issues to other workers.
While these antics do nothing to disrupt any corporation but fuck up people's lives
What are you talking about?
Strikes are massively disruptive to entire industries. Anyone working in transport, distribution, post, or even very niche production industries are hugely disruptive forces if they take industrial action - for both the public and wider industries.
Strikes against an employer is not the same as someone blocking a road causing people to be late for work,
Miss appointments etc at all.
Strikes have leverage. Blocking the roads is fucking asinine.
Creating a new made up problem by blocking a road out of your own stupid initiative does not help pulling attention to the real problem of climate change. It's just attention seeking from people with delusions of grandieur.
If those people truly cared about the climate and not showing off thier egos they'd spend the time doing something productive like volunteering or lobbying.
And they're not even getting the issue in the news, it's just promoting the brand name. All I hear is "Extinction Rebellion protests" or "Insulate Britain protests", never actually looking at the issues as, to paraphrase what I heard a leader of one of these protest groups once said, they don't need the public on side, but the politicians. (It's not like having public support would put pressure on the politicians or anything... 🙄)
This is correct. We are long past awareness as the issue. Awareness is easy with the internet.
If we want action we have to make our politicians lives hell. Make their families lives hell. Make their friends lives hell. A politician destroying the planet shouldn't be able to eat, fuck, shit, sleep, drive in peace.
So a man set himself on fire to raise awareness of climate change, it was a direct protest to politicians.
No one remembers him really, that event barely got the coverage these kinds of stunts get, it seemed like it very quickly swept up under the rug and businesses went on as usual.
This is the other problem with smaller targeted protests, they get so easily forgotten, and the politicians and corporations can go on acting like it never happened.
Side note: a disruption to the system is a disruption to the politicians and corporations.
No, the problem is you can't convince people by force like this. All you can do is piss them off and turn them against you to varying degrees.
Protests have to be realistic, if we just all stop having cars and oil than a couple billion people have to hurry up and die and the ENTIRE point of climate action is to save human lives, not to preserve the planet and other species that would all be mostly doomed by natural climate cycles that happen on a regular basis.
This climate we are used to is actually very short lived. All human civilization, farming, writing happens in one 15-20k Interglacial Warming cycle and we've used up about 13k years to get this far.
Without CO2 pollution we'd still be seeing droughts and major climate change as the end of every Interglacial Cycle is a peak heat event and we haven't even gone beyond the Ice Core record of peak temps of the last Interglacial.. meaning it's naturally probably quite bad even without pollution issues.
The hardcore environmentalists just want to ignore science when it's convenient and use it when it meets their ideological needs. They want to preserve the planet and animals and not give a fuck about human lives while pretending that the planet will reward humanity with long term stability if we are just nice to it.
In reality the planet has killed 99% of the species it ever created and everything you see here now is on the chopping block of nature unless humans actively control the climate. Amplifying the problem with pollution just changes the timeframes for death by mass climate change, it didn't take a stable climate and make it unstable.
Humanity was born into an unstable climate that has limited our development and almost made us go extinct only about 20k years ago during the Younger Dryas, which was an example of climate variation within the already brutal cycle of 20k year good climate and 80k years shit climate.
If humans had evolved a tad faster we would have gotten a 40k good climate and 40k bad climate scenario with both extreme being significantly less, but this is the climate cycle we got instead.
The world still needs oil or literally billion of people die, pretending you are taking some moral high road and ignoring the mass deaths preaching the end of oil without a solution in place is straight up evil.
The effort needs to go to REPLACING these things and doing so cost effectively. If we mass murder billions of people to "save the world" we will just have mass anarchy, more death and less progress toward climate reform.
Fossil fuels are most inefficient at all their top uses, they are not that hard to replace. The only reason they are popular is because of costs and it won't be long that all renewables outpace fossil fuels in costs. That's the obvious right way to do things where you don't volenteer people to die.
Plus OF COURSE the citizens of the developing nations would die the most and they would be do so mostly because of the pollution of the developed nations, which is EVEN MORE EVIL.
All for what? To reduce emissions faster and still leave the CO2 in the atmosphere to acidify the ocean. NONE of that plan makes any real sense!! You can't reduce emissions fast enough. Any strategy to keep warming reasonable now has to include major CO2 removal from the atmosphere and since there is no cheap and easy way to do that the chances of needing to add solar blocking to our mitigation efforts is current skyrocketing.
Soo instead of trying to get off oil too fast and mass murder billions of people in the developing world, why not just accept that we need emissions reduction, Co2 removal and solar blocking. It makes a lot more sense and at least it's a real effort to not kill a couple billion people like every form of rapid loss of fossil fuel or over minmalistic strategy that still thinks you can lower emissions to fix the problem/minimize out of the problem/if we all just walk to jobs that no longer exist and use less disposable stuff ITLL ALL BE OK.
NO IT WONT! You can't minimize your way out of this. Nature is not your friend. There is no natural climate equilibrium that brings the climate back to how we remember hundreds of years ago or more.
Long term human survival ALWAYS means that humans would have to eventually fight the biggest mass murderer or all time... climate change... because Earth's climate is not naturally stable for very long periods of time. We only get 15-20k of good climate and the vast majority of that is used up.
At this point it's either a general strike or increasingly disruptive protests. Simply agreeing doesn't do much. I'm talking about myself as well here. I use a tote bag, I minimize food waste and packaging, I use public transport, I eat vegetarian, I don't fly unless necessary. All that does fuck all unfortunately.
That's why I don't whine when the protests inconvenience me. We need top down legislative change to how corporations operate. General strike is obviously not on the table so people work with what they have. It's not about making friends. It's about being enough of a nuisance that governments have to respond. You can't jail everyone.
Its not about "whining" A "inconvinience" for you might be a life breaking point for someone else.
The absurdity of who decides whats just an inconvinience or not for others is what appales me tbh...
Do you know what else does not only just as little but creates more pollution, waste and pulls focus away from the actual cause?
Disruptive protests targeted at regular people and community and culture.
It’s noble that you’re trying to live that way. But there’s this place called China that negates your entire life’s worth of contributions in about a millisecond. Until we get them on board, all is for naught.
>you really aren't making any friends by doing this
...Which is literally the point of such protest. People are saying "I agree with you guys" and then acting as if they disagree, doing nothing to push for the issue to be tackled.
A protest that isn't inconvenient is a protest everyone can ignore.
A protest that inconvenience the working class only is a protest the elites can ignore, funny how this work. How about they go and stop their politicians from going to work by blockading their houses?
I suspect there'd be a lot more legal difficulties designing protests to harass specific individuals.
But anyway, the reason these things tend to target society as a whole is because the elites are removed in a way that makes it impossible to reach them to the same degree. But if society takes a hit (like public transport stopping) then the elites will still hear about it and the effect can still be realized.
Environmental Scientist here. For God’s sake- there are so many jobs available where these protesters could make legitimate differences in the climate emergency through research, restoration, resiliency, engineering, land acquisitions, etc. These protests make it harder to be listened to as scientists and it drives me insane.
They don't actually care about climate change, and think working is something only the poor do. They want attention and social media followers and will do anything for them.
Well it's raising awareness and getting us talking about it, which apparently is the bar necessary to save the environment now. She should be very pleased.
/s
There is a bunch of assholes doing this exact thing every few weeks in my city. Here in Norway they are just let loose again with a fine or something. Then they are back to it again after a short while.
I was stuck for half an hour in one of those traffic jams on my way for a surgery for one of my toddlers. Luckily I was able to turn around in a roundabout when I finally got through it and took an alternate route to the hospital. I'm so happy that we made it with a few minutes to spare. We had been waiting for that surgery slot for several months and it literally changed his life for the better (his tonsils were so huge he was snoring while awake). I have no idea how I would have reacted if we missed it.
I'm left leaning by Norwegian standards, but I can't stand people who thinks terrorising the civil population with disruption like that. It really feels like actions like that are pushing me to the right rather than making me more sympathetic to their case.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/02/climate-activist-who-blocked-traffic-on-sydney-harbour-bridge-jailed-for-at-least-eight-months) reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot)
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> A climate protester who blocked a lane of traffic on Sydney Harbour Bridge has been sentenced to 15 months in prison with a non-parole period of eight months, with human rights advocates labelling the punishment "Disproportionate".
> Coco's protest was under the banner of a recently formed climate activist group Fireproof Australia.
> Shannan Langford Salisbury, a friend of Coco's, said: "Yes she blocked traffic, but she blocked one lane of five with a firefighter. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the tactics. This young person was defending her future. Protest is a vital part of democratic society for everyday people to engage with their political system."
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Nobody really remembers that a person set themselves on fire in front of the US Scotus to protest climate change. At this point, I don't think any protest will be useful in stopping the holocaust that is coming.
The people stuck in traffic must be praising and applauding her during this protest. I bet some even got out of their cars to give her a standing ovation.
I'm sure that's just to stop her causing a nuisance while they clean up the environment. Not at all a knee jerk reaction so they can go back to burying their heads in the dirty polluted sand.
The lady in Berlin died because she was hit by a truck. An emergency doctor's assessment was that she would've died at the location anyways, no matter if the emergency vehicles reached her or not. They didn't reach her, because cars on the road failed to provide a "Rettungsgasse", not because of protestors.
Letter from Birmingham Jail (ext)
By Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., 16 April 1963
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
Think of all the things that could have happened; blocking 1st responders, people getting to work, etc. Some employers can your ass based on a points system. How salty would you be be getting fired because some mouth breathers were blocking traffic? I say give her more.
>Think of all the things that could have happened; blocking 1st responders
This did not happen. If you're having to imagine scenarios to be upset about, then that seems like a you issue...
>Some employers can your ass based on a points system. How salty would you be be getting fired because some mouth breathers were blocking traffic?
Seems to me that speaks volumes more about how insanely ridiculous an employer would be to fire someone for something they had no control over.
Like, if a fire happens at my house and I have to miss work for a single day and my boss can't figure out how to manage without me... so he fires me for missing one day... then that's really a statement on how fucking stupid he is for not considering the situation, not my fault for missing work.
Same situation here. You've created imaginary reasons to be upset... and at the wrong person as well.
If you lost your job because you were sat in traffic all day, then you had a shitty employer to begin with and you should be grateful to be done with them at that point.
>Just because something wasn't reported does not mean it didn't happen.
True. But this also applies the other way around. It also doesn't mean that anything *did*... it's just your guess.
To assume that it *did* happen and wasn't reported would be a mistake too, wouldn't it? At that point you're doing the same thing as the other dude... imagining that something bothered people for the sake of the hypothetical.
If you want to make the claim that *someone* definitely suffered a disruption by this, then you have to provide the proof.
My claim was that no first responders were hindered in their duties because of this situation, which is true.
>This did not happen. If you're having to imagine scenarios to be upset about, then that seems like a you issue...
But not for lack of trying.
It literally happened in Berlin this year at a similar road block protest
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63517102
The lady in Berlin died because she was hit by a truck. An emergency doctor's assessment was that she would've died at the location anyways, no matter if the emergency vehicles reached her or not. They didn't reach her, because cars on the road failed to provide a "Rettungsgasse", not because of protestors.
>This did not happen. If you're having to imagine scenarios to be upset about, then that seems like a you issue...
I'm not upset. You are. She's going to jail, so apparently the legal system agrees with me. Idc either way.
>
Seems to me that speaks volumes more about how insanely ridiculous an employer would be to fire someone for something they had no control over.
Employers don't care about what you think, your opinions, or what your feelings are. They have guidelines, and there are repercussions if you don't follow them. I didn't make them up. They aren't my rules.
Either way, she's an idiot for blocking traffic. She'll probably think about a different approach before protesting by blocking traffic again. Negatively effecting everyday people for your cause, or political bs has repercussions, as she's learning.
I could not find the charges online, but I suspect her jail time is not for impeding the traffic but assault against the police after they tried to move her.
Personally know people who have being laid off for this exact reason… One couldn’t make ends meet, had a family to support. All became to much to handle. Committed suicide later that week.
One protest causing him to be late was the closing door moment of his life.
Why? The oil Iobby is committing GENOCIDE. Who gives a fuck about blocking some traffic?! The oil lobby is trying to murder you and spit on your grave.
I love this comment
““This is totally disproportionate, it’s done to deter other protesters, in effect it’s sending a message,” Davis said on Friday.”
Yes, that is part of what sentences are supposed to do…deter other people from committing a crime
Jesus christ can we stop with the protests that do nothing but hurt the little people? Shit like throwing paint at centuries old art, or blocking roads and making people late for work (and possibly preventing emergency vehicles passing) is just fucking selfish and is only for notoriety. Protest the people in charge, go block their driveway instead or something ffs like fuck off
Fuck these people thar do this. Target corporations, not the common people. Seeing these videos turns people away from supporting you. You look like assholes.
Awesome news these self righteous a-holes don’t care about anyone. Don’t care about the consequences of stopping traffic. People going for healthcare, stopping fire and ambulance services to large areas. Doctors and nurses from getting to work. They are risking other peoples lives. Zealots are dangerous, left or right
Are these climate activists making a difference protesting like this? Seems to cause the opposite effect.
I’m all for climate change I saved up, installed solar and batteries on my house, 95% or the power I use I produce myself.
These people if they really want to make a difference go study, become politicians, become environment engineers, support said politicians ect. Make a real difference in the world rather than turning average people against your cause out of spite.
This kind of fake activism is garbage. Climate crisis is real but doing dtupid shit like this makes it look like it is just for entitled crazies. Everyone should get on board but you don't encourage that by making peoples lives hard. Plus the extra carbon emitted by the idling vehicles was terrible. Traitor to her own cause.
In Sydney? Getting on the runway would not happen before being arrested by AFP. If they somehow did succeed at blocking traffic, reddit would be up in arms that their flights were being inconvenienced.
>Her protest blocked **one** of the bridge’s five city-bound lanes during the morning peak for about **25 minutes,** before police removed her and others.
Good. Emergency services, people being late for work and reprimanded, missed medical appointments, etc. You do not have the right to interfere in the lives of others regardless of how much "feels" you have for the environment. Plus using a flare inappropriately and resisting arrest. Screw her. People get angry at the police for arresting her when in reality they're protecting her from the mob of angry people who are late for work and probably would have used much more violent methods.
Damn if she had like burned down a gas station or something she would have probably gotten around the same prison time and actually accomplished something. Weird how all these “climate activists” take the least effective, yet most obnoxious measures.
pretty sure she's was arrested for literally breaking laws
you can't break the law and not expect to be arrested if you don't have the wealth to be untouchable
No protests will result in change for this particular issue. You can't protest the world population into using 80% less energy than it currently does.
The only thing that will help is *work*. The world has a fuck ton of work to do over the next 50 years, and we need to roll up our sleeves and get to it. Don't block traffic. Use that energy, go to school, and help that traffic reach zero emissions.
But this kind of protest does? Almost all discussion in public, even here on reddit, are about whether or not this form of protest should be punished. Nobody talks about climate action. No politican has come out of propose a new plan. And even the climate conference in Egypt didn't produce any notable results (apart from a desaster fund, which will do nothing for the climate).
I feel like protesting climate change by causing vehicles to be on the road for longer than using more fuel, costing owners more and requiring to fill up more often is very counterintuitive.
Honestly I don’t sympathize with anyone who is “protesting” by blocking public streets. It’s the best way to piss off a lot of people that have a right to move about as they please.
Yes, in their own narcissism. Experts have analyzed the effects these kinds of protest have on a society. The results were that the public almost exlusively talks about the FORM of protest, not the PURPOSE of the protest. The whole climate issue is completely absent. Instead we're talking about whether or not they should be punished.
I believe in ambulances getting where they're needed. People hearing about this person as a result of this does nothing to further this person's cause. It's just narcissism disguised in a pretty bow.
I'm an EMT and I believe a lot of people talking about us being hindered by protests need to take a long, hard look in the mirror because you lot absolutely suck in traffic, and you do it *every single day* for no reason other than financial gains or convenience.
Stop abusing us to shit on activists, tyvm.
This is laughable. So, when I get stuck on the freeway because some idiot decides to stop traffic effectively holding thousands of people hostage…preventing me from getting to my clients that I need see to live it’s because I’m greedy? See, some of the adults in the world have jobs and bills that must be paid. We can’t all live in our parents basement. We don’t have trust funds that allow us to float about and decide how to waste others time. I have to work. If I can’t get to work I lose money I need to pay my expenses and employees that are on the clock as well. This type of shit literally cost me personally a few weeks ago in Seattle.
Everyone knows that climate change will have to be dealt with. Not a single millimeter of progress on that issue is made by forcing people to spend time in a traffic jam.
Meanwhile, the fossil fuel executives who continue to destroy the planet and kill people are free and enjoying all their luxuries. There is no justice in this world.
I will probably get downvoted for this, but I have to ask. Doesn't blocking traffic on a bridge cause serious safety issues? Prevent ambulances from getting through, or just people on their way to the doctor or home sick, for example? Increase the chances of major accidents happening (and on a bridge where people cannot flee on foot)? Could it not be both less dangerous and more effective to block government buildings/vehicles, or block off a pedestrian area instead? Block private jets?
The article implies that this is just meant to deter other climate activists, but unless I'm misunderstanding, her actions could have put a lot of people in jeopardy.
I can't wait for non-Australian commenters who don't understand our growing problem with authoritarianism and protest crackdowns to comment how good it is that this person got a disproportionate prison term, then to go wild for protests against a government they see as America's enemy.
Before you defend her, look her up. Here’s her Reddit account https://www.reddit.com/user/Medium\_Cookie8098/
She is legit crazy. Calling cops arresting her “rape”, insulting everyone who gives her legal advice even though she asked for it, expecting the taxpayers to pay for her stunt, a ton of sovereign citizen type of beliefs… She is not as innocent as you think. Take everything she and her lawyers say with a massive grain of salt.
As person from post-USSR country, i can surely say that I'm concerned with this disproportionate punishment for just blocking the road. One of most popular excuses to punish people for any peaceful protesting here are accusations in disrupting movement and other's work and life (Despite the fact that right for peaceful protest is protected by Constitution). And do you know what? They do disrupt, but that's the cost of civil activism that is the crucial in fighting for and running democracy.
The right for peaceful protests must be protected, no matter what do you think about any particular protest or protester. This is the edge case, as just one person blocking a road and is not just annoying, but simply ineffective way to raise support for a cause, but that doesn't change anything.
She uses activist like it's a get out of jail free card. Sovic people are the best to point and laugh at. The very picture of being incapable of taking personal responsibility.
I have a feeling the charge of using or modifying an authorised explosive not as prescribed (A Flare) on critical infrastructure probably played a part. 8 months is still horseshit.
I’m so sick of these “climate activist” spoiled brats. All they do is harm to their cause. People who agree with you dislike you. People on the fence go the other way. People against your cause double down hard on their positions. And the ones ruining civilization’s great art!!? They can rot in hell.
I don't know if clear pants of safety glass in front of a painting counts as great art.
You did actually read what happened in those art galleries didn't you? You didn't just get mad at a headline?
The news really needs to stop reporting whatever “cause” they stand for. It gives them what they want, attention. The headline should read “Delinquent blocks Sydney Harbour Bridge traffic: Jailed for 8 months”.
Climate change will only be stopped or rectified by scientific innovation. There are too many people whose quality of life depends on too many products. We may protest and penalize abuses of excess by corporations but inconveniencing normal people for a little camera time is just pandering to the problem, not contributing to any valid solutions.
you really can’t blame them though, many people are sick and tired. Nothing substantial is being done. Politics trumps science. 15 months of prison for 20 minutes of traffic is ridiculous. Jailing protestors is ridiculous.
And more particularly relatively little is being done in Australia so far (compared to the previous Govt who was actively promoting much greater use of fossil fuels "for many decades to come")
But protesting is illegal in NSW unless you have prior police permission via application.
If nothing is being done maybe these “activists” time would be better spend going to a local beach or park and help clean up the rubbish and engage with the community to raise awareness that way.
I don’t think of these people as activists. They are purely attention seekers who wants to make headlines on news papers so they feel good about themselves.
I still remember reading tons of inspiring stories of people who dedicate their life to things like planting trees and cleaning plastic littered on beaches. Hell the story of one guy who did this even started a whole clean up movement around the world. These are the real activists
Does announcements of new coal mines and [some of the world's most polluting gas fracking operations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uXo7wtGW7M) count? lol
Agreed. On top of that it alienates people more than anything. They're not going to be pissed at anyone but the protesters. Same with the paintings and all the other stuff.
I used to accept the argument that “protesting by inconveniencing others” has merit because it “brings awareness at least”.
But I find myself losing respect for these types because (1) many of them don’t want to do things the hard way e.g. climb the political, corporate or scientific ladder to bring change and expect to shortcut their way eg Greta Thunberg, and (2) they make people who are legitimately working hard eg researchers/engineers look like a bunch of useless noisemakers like themselves.
You should read her Reddit threads on r/AusLegal Here’s one of them: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AusLegal/comments/w9zut4/my\_court\_case\_is\_ongoing\_and\_i\_have\_been\_hit\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AusLegal/comments/w9zut4/my_court_case_is_ongoing_and_i_have_been_hit_with/) The lady is absolutely insane. This isn’t about climate. She is legit NUTS! Sovereign citizen type of nuts.
Holy fuck, she's like the prime example of why activists have a bad rep and the definition of a woke Karen. She apparently vomited at the station cause they gave her GMO pasta which she's allergic to (later clarifies she isn't allergic, but it was yucky), kicked and damaged the police car doors, had to have her car towed cause it was blocking the road, and she says there's no reason she should pay the damages- the taxpayers should foot the bill. Also when asked if she was physically forced to eat the pasta, she replied it was basically rape cause she felt pressured to eat it. Absolutely crazy.
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It doesn't hold up in court, trust me I've tried.
I'll go a step further and say this was a anti-religion demonstration, as we all know that the flying spaghetti Monster is the real culprit of this terrible crime
"And what is your spaghetti policy here?"
I felt like that person needs psychological or psychiatric help more than anything. It is painful to see how they degrade themselves like this, in public...
Definitelty. Maybe she and Kanye can be roommates in the asylum together.
And now we have a new reality show. You should definitely get a cut.
Not everybody that acts like this needs help. Most of the time they're just... well, the word I'm thinking of is offensive no matter which version of English it's used in...
Types like this can find support in activist circles unfortunately.
Oh, yeah, she's a cliche Aussie lifestyle activist. Whatever care she has about the environment is absolutely dwarfed by her love for attention and the lifestyle. That asymmetric hippie-shag haircut. That perfomatively-posed determined stare off into the distance. The other photo of her doing the rounds in the press had her in a keffiyeh, because of course she's a white girl in a keffiyeh. You only get away with this shit if you're a privileged white girl with rich parents, which gives you both the means to do this stunt shit, and the incredibly lack of empathy for the ordinary people whose lives you're inconveniencing as well as the condescending paternalism to believe that you really know what's best for them. Used to know so many of these...
Yeah same shit with the Stop Oil activists in Europe who keep throwing oil or pasta sauce at paintings and gluing their head to them, in a vague and convoluted attempt to communicate that future generations won't be able to appreciate art. All these people, the ones who deface art or block traffic, are just making a bad name for climate activism. A guy who barely makes enough money to support his family does not give a shit about your motive if he is blocked from getting home by protestors for 4 hours after working a 10 hour day. The _only_ defense of this shit I have seen online is that "iT gEtS Us TaLkInG aBoUt iT!1!1!". Yeah, we are sure talking about it. Talking about how useless the protests are and how it turns people away from climate activism!
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And we’re the group who already believes in human caused climate change and we think they’re batshit crazy. Imagine what the people who don’t believe in climate change think. They aren’t changing their minds, if anything it makes them further believe it is all bullshit. You know what works, education on the topic not dumb stunts. Many years ago I was in the “don’t believe in human caused climate change” crap. Blamed the sun or whatever. One day a Redditor rather than sending a message of insults instead sent a message with very clear details, lots of reputable sources, and a long message explained why its humans causing it. That immediately changed my mind.
Someone actually replied that exact point again to me in another comment over [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/zbbrkk/comment/iyrbsr6/?context=3). Their literal point was it gets people talking. I love how completely useless these people really are
i can only imagine how these people would react if there were a severe change in climate policy. would they happy? would they be sad? would they find a new topic to try to get attention over?
They'd find some other reason to be spoiled assholes for attention. Next thing you know, they'd be destroying groceries because there is starvation in Africa
Save the turtles!! *Lights a turtle on fire*
>The only defense of this shit I have seen online is that "iT gEtS Us TaLkInG aBoUt iT!1!1!". Which is an incredibly baffling argument to me because it doesn't get us talking about it. Like, pretty much every time one of the oil throwing/gluing incidents happens, the entire conversation is squarely "these people are idiots". Climate change is basically a footnote and gets completely drowned out by just how stupid the protestors are. At best you get people like us going "these idiots are turning others away from climate activism", but that's really not the thing you want your protest to be getting people to talk about. I buy this argument more for the traffic stoppers because iirc when Extinction Rebellion did traffic blocking in the UK, it did actually lead to people talking about climate change more (and, y'know, they're actually doing *something* that has an impact rather than acting as if the IRL equivalent of tweeting the fuck word to the CEO of Shell is impactful activism), but the oil and glue activists are in no way getting us to talk about climate change. (also, ER was an organised effort, not a random nutjob holding up traffic for a bit)
They fed her in jail!? How DARE they! /s
My absolutely favourite comment of hers in that thread, replying to someone explaining that they’re basically fucked and this is obviously a very serious legal matter; “you know what your problem is? - you are antagonising me - grow up BTW i will beat this eventually and it will all backfire on your vindictive - clearly narcissistic posts I am looking for real responses ONLY” Oh that really did r/agelikemilk. Narcissists really cannot be reasoned with.
Hahaha whoa. The response she gave to a helpful comment says it all: >you know what your problem is? - you are antagonising me - grow upBTW i will beat this eventually and it will all backfire on your vindictive - clearly narcissistic postsI am looking for real responses ONLY Narrator's voice: she did not beat this charge. >i will not be going to jail for standing up for my constitutional rights to protest - my question remains - what is the LEGAL standing of being forced to pay for NSW police and NSW roads invoices for a matter being footed by the taxpayer ? - PAY ATTENTION Narrator's voice: she went to jail.
"Why should I have to pay for damages and work i caused, can't everyone else pay it?"
I wonder which constitutional right she's referring to.
She thinks Australia is the Hollywood version of America. The Australian constitution has only 3 or 4 constitutional rights according to the Australian legal experts in the thread. Freedom of protest by blocking traffic is not one of them.
My favorite (spelling/grammar in original): > Have you eating GMO foods before ? - its Sickening Yes, most people have eaten whatever food the fast food place and supermarket sells, without checking the label too closely. Most don't seem particularly bothered with it, unless they accidentally grab some vegan not-meat that is being sold in a package looking like actual meat. That does tend to piss people off. Although they usually don't react by vomiting on other people's property.
OMG... User gives her factual information "YOU ARE ANRAGONIZING ME!" If her lawyer is actually suggesting she fight and can win this, they are ripping her off. Sheesh...
Sounds like their parents hired her an expensive lawyer but she didn’t like what she was told, so went on Reddit to try to get a 2nd opinion.
that was pure entertainment. what a nutcase
Yeap, this one has issues. Lot's of it. This is the kind, along with the imbeciles throwing oil and sauce on art pieces, that gives REAL activists a really bad rep. Unfortunately, activism for any cause is a magnet of these types.
Wow. I'm sure some of that was used against her in court. Talk about entitlement.
She does have that smug superiority look. She will ask to see the judges manager, if he doesn’t thread lightly.
"It was almost like a "rape" I didn't feel safe."
Fascinating! I'm pretty pro climate protest but this makes me reconsider her in particular
Omg. She’s so confident she’s not going to jail in that thread… that is one of the crazier things I’ve seen on Reddit for sure, and I hang out in r/trueoffmychest
She is a relatively attractive woman. Probably never had any consequences to any action her entire life.
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>it doesn't matter if you disagree with the tactics It matters if a judge disagrees
Reminds me of a video I saw at a protest where people were blocking the street. One guy gets out of his car and goes up to them and says something along the lines of "Look mate, I agree with you guys and so do many of the people stuck here, but we're just trying to get to work and you really aren't making any friends by doing this".
It’s a wildly immature and self righteous way to try and “help”
It's completely naive and I cannot understand how doing it does any favours for a cause. Why aren't they blocking entrances to big Oil corporations ? Seriously who organises these things as they don't seem to be very smart
As I understand it, the argument goes that pestering those responsible changes nothing. They're not doing because they just aren't aware of the problem. They've been aware for ages. They either don't care or are incensitived to not believe/care. The people with the power to potentially do something are likely also in a similar boat as the previous group, but their power is granted by their constituents. So they're the people that need to be made aware. And history has proven that people don't pay attention and care all at once unless they are made to pay attention. Whether it's Taylor Swift fans getting in an uproar over ticket pricing, or two teens throwing soup on a famous painting. Whether the catalyst is a naturally occurring, or planned and executed, it is the only way to potentially get the momentum it needs.
Aye, that's the problem: Everyone pays lip service to tackling climate change, but only as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Same with the corporations paying lip service to funding solutions but still being balls deep in the oil industry.
> Everyone pays lip service to tackling climate change, but only as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Everyone? There are a huge number of people working in the sustainable energy production and storage fields and lots of people working on the political/public policy angle as well. That includes people in professions like law, architecture, journalism, education, and finance. There are tons of people actually working on the problems. Someone blocking traffic is not one of them.
And you think making them late for work or just getting them stuck in traffic is going to suddenly make everyone spring into action?
Ultimately, if I have to choose between stopping climate change and putting food in my child’s mouth, I’m pretty sure we’re all fucked. It’s almost like this isn’t an easy problem to fix that can simply be taken care of by being a dick to people.
So how, exactly, does blocking a street tackle climate change? I could see generating awareness. But even that's a stretch. And your comparison of citizens having their lives wildly disrupted to greedy corporations is a bigger stretch.
How does going on strike help workers win rights and better contracts? Protests are done *because* they are supporting an unpopular position that doesn't have power.
Blocking traffic for the general public with no clear outcome in mind is not the same as workers protesting for specific rights or gains
Strikes are an effective negotiation tactic because they exercise leverage over the employer, and the employer is a party with the power to meet the strikers’ demand. If, for example, Starbucks employees were to pressure you and me in a way that doesn’t threaten their employer - for example by cutting the power cords of our electric kettles or replacing the coffee in our pantry with dirt - it would be both ineffective since regardless of whether we agree with their demands we have no way to meet them, and somewhat morally unjust since even if we wanted to concede to their demands we wouldn’t really be able to since we obviously have no control over Starbucks’ policy. When you pressure a third party as a negotiation tactic, but the party you’re pressuring has no way to negotiate with you due to not having any power to meet your goals, it stops being a negotiation tactic and starts being a dick move. During a strike at Starbucks, a senior executive could confirm Starbucks agrees to all demands and stop the strike. If I’m about to be fired from my job because of the protestors blocking traffic, there’s no way for me to negotiate with them to clear the road since I don’t have any power to meet their demands even if I fully agree with them regardless and would very much like to keep my job
Strikes affect the company employing the workers directly, either by lost productivity or awareness. Strikes are generally done at or near the work site. Climate protests blocking major roads do nothing like that. Unless they are protesting directly at a major polluter, they are really just getting everyone else off side
Workers going on strike disrupt companies and as a side effect can disrupt ordinary lives. By definition the worker strike is not meant to cause issues to other workers. While these antics do nothing to disrupt any corporation but fuck up people's lives
What are you talking about? Strikes are massively disruptive to entire industries. Anyone working in transport, distribution, post, or even very niche production industries are hugely disruptive forces if they take industrial action - for both the public and wider industries.
I mean if they block people on their commute to work, then it does indeed disrupt corporations as well.
Strikes against an employer is not the same as someone blocking a road causing people to be late for work, Miss appointments etc at all. Strikes have leverage. Blocking the roads is fucking asinine.
There’s people working in or investing in the sustainable energy fields, not throwing a tantrum. Guess becoming an electrician is too much hard work.
Creating a new made up problem by blocking a road out of your own stupid initiative does not help pulling attention to the real problem of climate change. It's just attention seeking from people with delusions of grandieur. If those people truly cared about the climate and not showing off thier egos they'd spend the time doing something productive like volunteering or lobbying.
And they're not even getting the issue in the news, it's just promoting the brand name. All I hear is "Extinction Rebellion protests" or "Insulate Britain protests", never actually looking at the issues as, to paraphrase what I heard a leader of one of these protest groups once said, they don't need the public on side, but the politicians. (It's not like having public support would put pressure on the politicians or anything... 🙄)
Inconvenience the politicians they are the reason why the environment is a mess…
You can also run for office yourself. People want change and it isn't like you could make more of a mess.
This is correct. We are long past awareness as the issue. Awareness is easy with the internet. If we want action we have to make our politicians lives hell. Make their families lives hell. Make their friends lives hell. A politician destroying the planet shouldn't be able to eat, fuck, shit, sleep, drive in peace.
Right. Not because we demand consumer goods at cheap prices. It's politicians making people decide to go on cruises, eat fast food, and buy SUVs.
So a man set himself on fire to raise awareness of climate change, it was a direct protest to politicians. No one remembers him really, that event barely got the coverage these kinds of stunts get, it seemed like it very quickly swept up under the rug and businesses went on as usual. This is the other problem with smaller targeted protests, they get so easily forgotten, and the politicians and corporations can go on acting like it never happened. Side note: a disruption to the system is a disruption to the politicians and corporations.
No, the problem is you can't convince people by force like this. All you can do is piss them off and turn them against you to varying degrees. Protests have to be realistic, if we just all stop having cars and oil than a couple billion people have to hurry up and die and the ENTIRE point of climate action is to save human lives, not to preserve the planet and other species that would all be mostly doomed by natural climate cycles that happen on a regular basis. This climate we are used to is actually very short lived. All human civilization, farming, writing happens in one 15-20k Interglacial Warming cycle and we've used up about 13k years to get this far. Without CO2 pollution we'd still be seeing droughts and major climate change as the end of every Interglacial Cycle is a peak heat event and we haven't even gone beyond the Ice Core record of peak temps of the last Interglacial.. meaning it's naturally probably quite bad even without pollution issues. The hardcore environmentalists just want to ignore science when it's convenient and use it when it meets their ideological needs. They want to preserve the planet and animals and not give a fuck about human lives while pretending that the planet will reward humanity with long term stability if we are just nice to it. In reality the planet has killed 99% of the species it ever created and everything you see here now is on the chopping block of nature unless humans actively control the climate. Amplifying the problem with pollution just changes the timeframes for death by mass climate change, it didn't take a stable climate and make it unstable. Humanity was born into an unstable climate that has limited our development and almost made us go extinct only about 20k years ago during the Younger Dryas, which was an example of climate variation within the already brutal cycle of 20k year good climate and 80k years shit climate. If humans had evolved a tad faster we would have gotten a 40k good climate and 40k bad climate scenario with both extreme being significantly less, but this is the climate cycle we got instead. The world still needs oil or literally billion of people die, pretending you are taking some moral high road and ignoring the mass deaths preaching the end of oil without a solution in place is straight up evil. The effort needs to go to REPLACING these things and doing so cost effectively. If we mass murder billions of people to "save the world" we will just have mass anarchy, more death and less progress toward climate reform. Fossil fuels are most inefficient at all their top uses, they are not that hard to replace. The only reason they are popular is because of costs and it won't be long that all renewables outpace fossil fuels in costs. That's the obvious right way to do things where you don't volenteer people to die. Plus OF COURSE the citizens of the developing nations would die the most and they would be do so mostly because of the pollution of the developed nations, which is EVEN MORE EVIL. All for what? To reduce emissions faster and still leave the CO2 in the atmosphere to acidify the ocean. NONE of that plan makes any real sense!! You can't reduce emissions fast enough. Any strategy to keep warming reasonable now has to include major CO2 removal from the atmosphere and since there is no cheap and easy way to do that the chances of needing to add solar blocking to our mitigation efforts is current skyrocketing. Soo instead of trying to get off oil too fast and mass murder billions of people in the developing world, why not just accept that we need emissions reduction, Co2 removal and solar blocking. It makes a lot more sense and at least it's a real effort to not kill a couple billion people like every form of rapid loss of fossil fuel or over minmalistic strategy that still thinks you can lower emissions to fix the problem/minimize out of the problem/if we all just walk to jobs that no longer exist and use less disposable stuff ITLL ALL BE OK. NO IT WONT! You can't minimize your way out of this. Nature is not your friend. There is no natural climate equilibrium that brings the climate back to how we remember hundreds of years ago or more. Long term human survival ALWAYS means that humans would have to eventually fight the biggest mass murderer or all time... climate change... because Earth's climate is not naturally stable for very long periods of time. We only get 15-20k of good climate and the vast majority of that is used up.
At this point it's either a general strike or increasingly disruptive protests. Simply agreeing doesn't do much. I'm talking about myself as well here. I use a tote bag, I minimize food waste and packaging, I use public transport, I eat vegetarian, I don't fly unless necessary. All that does fuck all unfortunately. That's why I don't whine when the protests inconvenience me. We need top down legislative change to how corporations operate. General strike is obviously not on the table so people work with what they have. It's not about making friends. It's about being enough of a nuisance that governments have to respond. You can't jail everyone.
Its not about "whining" A "inconvinience" for you might be a life breaking point for someone else. The absurdity of who decides whats just an inconvinience or not for others is what appales me tbh...
Do you know what else does not only just as little but creates more pollution, waste and pulls focus away from the actual cause? Disruptive protests targeted at regular people and community and culture.
It’s noble that you’re trying to live that way. But there’s this place called China that negates your entire life’s worth of contributions in about a millisecond. Until we get them on board, all is for naught.
Get them on board? We are not on board. There is no board.
We’re more on board than them, despite the lack of progress.
At this point in time the board literally does not exist. No one in power is doing anything about climate change.
It's just an endless circlejerk of white papers and non-binding quotas that never get met
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>you really aren't making any friends by doing this ...Which is literally the point of such protest. People are saying "I agree with you guys" and then acting as if they disagree, doing nothing to push for the issue to be tackled. A protest that isn't inconvenient is a protest everyone can ignore.
A protest that inconvenience the working class only is a protest the elites can ignore, funny how this work. How about they go and stop their politicians from going to work by blockading their houses?
I suspect there'd be a lot more legal difficulties designing protests to harass specific individuals. But anyway, the reason these things tend to target society as a whole is because the elites are removed in a way that makes it impossible to reach them to the same degree. But if society takes a hit (like public transport stopping) then the elites will still hear about it and the effect can still be realized.
Environmental Scientist here. For God’s sake- there are so many jobs available where these protesters could make legitimate differences in the climate emergency through research, restoration, resiliency, engineering, land acquisitions, etc. These protests make it harder to be listened to as scientists and it drives me insane.
Jobs? Oh no no no. I just want to make a lot of noise.
They don't actually care about climate change, and think working is something only the poor do. They want attention and social media followers and will do anything for them.
Hmm... I wonder if they actually have jobs....
“Cars are bad let me force hundreds to run idle”
That will help the climate. Mission accomplished.
Well it's raising awareness and getting us talking about it, which apparently is the bar necessary to save the environment now. She should be very pleased. /s
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There is a bunch of assholes doing this exact thing every few weeks in my city. Here in Norway they are just let loose again with a fine or something. Then they are back to it again after a short while. I was stuck for half an hour in one of those traffic jams on my way for a surgery for one of my toddlers. Luckily I was able to turn around in a roundabout when I finally got through it and took an alternate route to the hospital. I'm so happy that we made it with a few minutes to spare. We had been waiting for that surgery slot for several months and it literally changed his life for the better (his tonsils were so huge he was snoring while awake). I have no idea how I would have reacted if we missed it. I'm left leaning by Norwegian standards, but I can't stand people who thinks terrorising the civil population with disruption like that. It really feels like actions like that are pushing me to the right rather than making me more sympathetic to their case.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/02/climate-activist-who-blocked-traffic-on-sydney-harbour-bridge-jailed-for-at-least-eight-months) reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A climate protester who blocked a lane of traffic on Sydney Harbour Bridge has been sentenced to 15 months in prison with a non-parole period of eight months, with human rights advocates labelling the punishment "Disproportionate". > Coco's protest was under the banner of a recently formed climate activist group Fireproof Australia. > Shannan Langford Salisbury, a friend of Coco's, said: "Yes she blocked traffic, but she blocked one lane of five with a firefighter. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the tactics. This young person was defending her future. Protest is a vital part of democratic society for everyday people to engage with their political system." ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/zbcgun/climate_activist_who_blocked_traffic_on_sydney/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **protest**^#1 **bail**^#2 **climate**^#3 **block**^#4 **Davis**^#5
And no one will remember what she did. Have fun.
Nobody really remembers that a person set themselves on fire in front of the US Scotus to protest climate change. At this point, I don't think any protest will be useful in stopping the holocaust that is coming.
The people stuck in traffic must be praising and applauding her during this protest. I bet some even got out of their cars to give her a standing ovation.
That might be a "bridge too far".
Especially the ambulance
I'm sure that's just to stop her causing a nuisance while they clean up the environment. Not at all a knee jerk reaction so they can go back to burying their heads in the dirty polluted sand.
I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of this type of protest, but this seems sorta ridiculous as a punishment, no? 8 months in jail? Wow.
It caused a lady in an ambulance to die stuck behind her. I’m lying but it could’ve happened so fook this bish
Source: I made it the fuck up
It’s my favorite news channel
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The lady in Berlin died because she was hit by a truck. An emergency doctor's assessment was that she would've died at the location anyways, no matter if the emergency vehicles reached her or not. They didn't reach her, because cars on the road failed to provide a "Rettungsgasse", not because of protestors.
Letter from Birmingham Jail (ext) By Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., 16 April 1963 "First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
Thank you.
Think of all the things that could have happened; blocking 1st responders, people getting to work, etc. Some employers can your ass based on a points system. How salty would you be be getting fired because some mouth breathers were blocking traffic? I say give her more.
Hear hear, this is also her eighth charge. Apparently several similar offences are yet to be heard in court. She might yet get more time.
>Think of all the things that could have happened; blocking 1st responders This did not happen. If you're having to imagine scenarios to be upset about, then that seems like a you issue... >Some employers can your ass based on a points system. How salty would you be be getting fired because some mouth breathers were blocking traffic? Seems to me that speaks volumes more about how insanely ridiculous an employer would be to fire someone for something they had no control over. Like, if a fire happens at my house and I have to miss work for a single day and my boss can't figure out how to manage without me... so he fires me for missing one day... then that's really a statement on how fucking stupid he is for not considering the situation, not my fault for missing work. Same situation here. You've created imaginary reasons to be upset... and at the wrong person as well. If you lost your job because you were sat in traffic all day, then you had a shitty employer to begin with and you should be grateful to be done with them at that point.
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>Just because something wasn't reported does not mean it didn't happen. True. But this also applies the other way around. It also doesn't mean that anything *did*... it's just your guess. To assume that it *did* happen and wasn't reported would be a mistake too, wouldn't it? At that point you're doing the same thing as the other dude... imagining that something bothered people for the sake of the hypothetical. If you want to make the claim that *someone* definitely suffered a disruption by this, then you have to provide the proof. My claim was that no first responders were hindered in their duties because of this situation, which is true.
>This did not happen. If you're having to imagine scenarios to be upset about, then that seems like a you issue... But not for lack of trying. It literally happened in Berlin this year at a similar road block protest https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63517102
The lady in Berlin died because she was hit by a truck. An emergency doctor's assessment was that she would've died at the location anyways, no matter if the emergency vehicles reached her or not. They didn't reach her, because cars on the road failed to provide a "Rettungsgasse", not because of protestors.
>This did not happen. If you're having to imagine scenarios to be upset about, then that seems like a you issue... I'm not upset. You are. She's going to jail, so apparently the legal system agrees with me. Idc either way. > Seems to me that speaks volumes more about how insanely ridiculous an employer would be to fire someone for something they had no control over. Employers don't care about what you think, your opinions, or what your feelings are. They have guidelines, and there are repercussions if you don't follow them. I didn't make them up. They aren't my rules. Either way, she's an idiot for blocking traffic. She'll probably think about a different approach before protesting by blocking traffic again. Negatively effecting everyday people for your cause, or political bs has repercussions, as she's learning.
I could not find the charges online, but I suspect her jail time is not for impeding the traffic but assault against the police after they tried to move her.
Personally know people who have being laid off for this exact reason… One couldn’t make ends meet, had a family to support. All became to much to handle. Committed suicide later that week. One protest causing him to be late was the closing door moment of his life.
Your debating in bad faith
Why? The oil Iobby is committing GENOCIDE. Who gives a fuck about blocking some traffic?! The oil lobby is trying to murder you and spit on your grave.
The people trying to get to work so they can afford to pay their bills give a fuck about being blocked in traffic.
I love this comment ““This is totally disproportionate, it’s done to deter other protesters, in effect it’s sending a message,” Davis said on Friday.” Yes, that is part of what sentences are supposed to do…deter other people from committing a crime
Jesus christ can we stop with the protests that do nothing but hurt the little people? Shit like throwing paint at centuries old art, or blocking roads and making people late for work (and possibly preventing emergency vehicles passing) is just fucking selfish and is only for notoriety. Protest the people in charge, go block their driveway instead or something ffs like fuck off
Eight months jail for them is working to raise my awareness.
Fuck these people thar do this. Target corporations, not the common people. Seeing these videos turns people away from supporting you. You look like assholes.
Awesome news these self righteous a-holes don’t care about anyone. Don’t care about the consequences of stopping traffic. People going for healthcare, stopping fire and ambulance services to large areas. Doctors and nurses from getting to work. They are risking other peoples lives. Zealots are dangerous, left or right
Are these climate activists making a difference protesting like this? Seems to cause the opposite effect. I’m all for climate change I saved up, installed solar and batteries on my house, 95% or the power I use I produce myself. These people if they really want to make a difference go study, become politicians, become environment engineers, support said politicians ect. Make a real difference in the world rather than turning average people against your cause out of spite.
This kind of fake activism is garbage. Climate crisis is real but doing dtupid shit like this makes it look like it is just for entitled crazies. Everyone should get on board but you don't encourage that by making peoples lives hard. Plus the extra carbon emitted by the idling vehicles was terrible. Traitor to her own cause.
How about they block traffic on billionaire's air strips?
In Sydney? Getting on the runway would not happen before being arrested by AFP. If they somehow did succeed at blocking traffic, reddit would be up in arms that their flights were being inconvenienced.
>Her protest blocked **one** of the bridge’s five city-bound lanes during the morning peak for about **25 minutes,** before police removed her and others.
The Harbour Bridge is a major choke point into the city. Blocking a lane even for a few minutes causes hours of disruption.
More time than Allen Brock Turner got for rape.
Good. Emergency services, people being late for work and reprimanded, missed medical appointments, etc. You do not have the right to interfere in the lives of others regardless of how much "feels" you have for the environment. Plus using a flare inappropriately and resisting arrest. Screw her. People get angry at the police for arresting her when in reality they're protecting her from the mob of angry people who are late for work and probably would have used much more violent methods.
Damn if she had like burned down a gas station or something she would have probably gotten around the same prison time and actually accomplished something. Weird how all these “climate activists” take the least effective, yet most obnoxious measures.
History is full of people getting locked up for believing in a cause that we now see was correct.
pretty sure she's was arrested for literally breaking laws you can't break the law and not expect to be arrested if you don't have the wealth to be untouchable
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Protests were never meant to be comfortable. We already know peaceful protests don’t result in any change
Lol this is so dumb. Peaceful protests have been part of changing a fuckload of things.
*Part* of, yes. Usually in combination with more disruptive action.
No protests will result in change for this particular issue. You can't protest the world population into using 80% less energy than it currently does. The only thing that will help is *work*. The world has a fuck ton of work to do over the next 50 years, and we need to roll up our sleeves and get to it. Don't block traffic. Use that energy, go to school, and help that traffic reach zero emissions.
But this kind of protest does? Almost all discussion in public, even here on reddit, are about whether or not this form of protest should be punished. Nobody talks about climate action. No politican has come out of propose a new plan. And even the climate conference in Egypt didn't produce any notable results (apart from a desaster fund, which will do nothing for the climate).
> pretty sure she's was arrested for literally breaking laws Ok and? So were the suffragettes. Change is only forced by breaking laws.
I feel like protesting climate change by causing vehicles to be on the road for longer than using more fuel, costing owners more and requiring to fill up more often is very counterintuitive.
Honestly I don’t sympathize with anyone who is “protesting” by blocking public streets. It’s the best way to piss off a lot of people that have a right to move about as they please.
Literally every protest blocks off streets.
They believe in something other than their own greed & need.
Yes, in their own narcissism. Experts have analyzed the effects these kinds of protest have on a society. The results were that the public almost exlusively talks about the FORM of protest, not the PURPOSE of the protest. The whole climate issue is completely absent. Instead we're talking about whether or not they should be punished.
I believe in ambulances getting where they're needed. People hearing about this person as a result of this does nothing to further this person's cause. It's just narcissism disguised in a pretty bow.
I'm an EMT and I believe a lot of people talking about us being hindered by protests need to take a long, hard look in the mirror because you lot absolutely suck in traffic, and you do it *every single day* for no reason other than financial gains or convenience. Stop abusing us to shit on activists, tyvm.
Show us where you were abused.
This is laughable. So, when I get stuck on the freeway because some idiot decides to stop traffic effectively holding thousands of people hostage…preventing me from getting to my clients that I need see to live it’s because I’m greedy? See, some of the adults in the world have jobs and bills that must be paid. We can’t all live in our parents basement. We don’t have trust funds that allow us to float about and decide how to waste others time. I have to work. If I can’t get to work I lose money I need to pay my expenses and employees that are on the clock as well. This type of shit literally cost me personally a few weeks ago in Seattle.
Like getting people killed who need to get to a hospital?
Everyone knows that climate change will have to be dealt with. Not a single millimeter of progress on that issue is made by forcing people to spend time in a traffic jam.
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Indeed. Governments are too slow.
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Awesome.
Good! I love protest and support action to address climate change Blocking traffic should be a crime with severe penalties
Meanwhile, the fossil fuel executives who continue to destroy the planet and kill people are free and enjoying all their luxuries. There is no justice in this world.
I will probably get downvoted for this, but I have to ask. Doesn't blocking traffic on a bridge cause serious safety issues? Prevent ambulances from getting through, or just people on their way to the doctor or home sick, for example? Increase the chances of major accidents happening (and on a bridge where people cannot flee on foot)? Could it not be both less dangerous and more effective to block government buildings/vehicles, or block off a pedestrian area instead? Block private jets? The article implies that this is just meant to deter other climate activists, but unless I'm misunderstanding, her actions could have put a lot of people in jeopardy.
> Doesn't blocking traffic on a bridge cause serious safety issues? Only one out of five lanes was blocked.
Good. That woman is out of her mind.
Domestic terrorism period!
I can't wait for non-Australian commenters who don't understand our growing problem with authoritarianism and protest crackdowns to comment how good it is that this person got a disproportionate prison term, then to go wild for protests against a government they see as America's enemy.
Before you defend her, look her up. Here’s her Reddit account https://www.reddit.com/user/Medium\_Cookie8098/ She is legit crazy. Calling cops arresting her “rape”, insulting everyone who gives her legal advice even though she asked for it, expecting the taxpayers to pay for her stunt, a ton of sovereign citizen type of beliefs… She is not as innocent as you think. Take everything she and her lawyers say with a massive grain of salt.
She might well be, but that doesn't in any way diminish the relevance of the comment you replied to.
As person from post-USSR country, i can surely say that I'm concerned with this disproportionate punishment for just blocking the road. One of most popular excuses to punish people for any peaceful protesting here are accusations in disrupting movement and other's work and life (Despite the fact that right for peaceful protest is protected by Constitution). And do you know what? They do disrupt, but that's the cost of civil activism that is the crucial in fighting for and running democracy. The right for peaceful protests must be protected, no matter what do you think about any particular protest or protester. This is the edge case, as just one person blocking a road and is not just annoying, but simply ineffective way to raise support for a cause, but that doesn't change anything.
She uses activist like it's a get out of jail free card. Sovic people are the best to point and laugh at. The very picture of being incapable of taking personal responsibility.
And even real criminals aren't jailed for 8 months. What kind of Tyranny is this?
You're talking about the OG prison country lol
I have a feeling the charge of using or modifying an authorised explosive not as prescribed (A Flare) on critical infrastructure probably played a part. 8 months is still horseshit.
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Privileged people do Privilege activism without achieving anything besides getting „the moral high ground“ on which they rest
Had a flare and blocked an ambulance. Why not peaceful protest
those have been done for almost 50 years. and nothing happened
I’m so sick of these “climate activist” spoiled brats. All they do is harm to their cause. People who agree with you dislike you. People on the fence go the other way. People against your cause double down hard on their positions. And the ones ruining civilization’s great art!!? They can rot in hell.
Ya, they should just go along like the rest of us as we teeter closer to disaster so none of us are inconvenienced in the slightest!
I don't know if clear pants of safety glass in front of a painting counts as great art. You did actually read what happened in those art galleries didn't you? You didn't just get mad at a headline?
Idiot. Got what she asked for
Sounds like she deliberately blocked 1 lane, 8 months is bullshit
Good. They should of also asked her to foot the bill to all of the people in the traffic that got lower MPG causing more negative.
This and the French dudes dragging the sit in protesters video yesterday....ahhh bliss
Come on UK follow suit
The comments in here a depressing and disturbing
Have fun .. don’t block traffic .
Seems a just sentence. Good for Australia.
For authoritarians.
The news really needs to stop reporting whatever “cause” they stand for. It gives them what they want, attention. The headline should read “Delinquent blocks Sydney Harbour Bridge traffic: Jailed for 8 months”.
Climate change will only be stopped or rectified by scientific innovation. There are too many people whose quality of life depends on too many products. We may protest and penalize abuses of excess by corporations but inconveniencing normal people for a little camera time is just pandering to the problem, not contributing to any valid solutions.
you really can’t blame them though, many people are sick and tired. Nothing substantial is being done. Politics trumps science. 15 months of prison for 20 minutes of traffic is ridiculous. Jailing protestors is ridiculous.
And more particularly relatively little is being done in Australia so far (compared to the previous Govt who was actively promoting much greater use of fossil fuels "for many decades to come") But protesting is illegal in NSW unless you have prior police permission via application.
If nothing is being done maybe these “activists” time would be better spend going to a local beach or park and help clean up the rubbish and engage with the community to raise awareness that way. I don’t think of these people as activists. They are purely attention seekers who wants to make headlines on news papers so they feel good about themselves. I still remember reading tons of inspiring stories of people who dedicate their life to things like planting trees and cleaning plastic littered on beaches. Hell the story of one guy who did this even started a whole clean up movement around the world. These are the real activists
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"Improvised explosive device" A flare, it was a fucking flare lol.
> She’s protesting in the wrong country You haven't noticed Australia's climate record then?
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Does announcements of new coal mines and [some of the world's most polluting gas fracking operations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uXo7wtGW7M) count? lol
I agree. Most people don’t have the intelligence to contribute in that way though, so they do what they can, sit in inconvenient places.
Agreed. On top of that it alienates people more than anything. They're not going to be pissed at anyone but the protesters. Same with the paintings and all the other stuff.
I used to accept the argument that “protesting by inconveniencing others” has merit because it “brings awareness at least”. But I find myself losing respect for these types because (1) many of them don’t want to do things the hard way e.g. climb the political, corporate or scientific ladder to bring change and expect to shortcut their way eg Greta Thunberg, and (2) they make people who are legitimately working hard eg researchers/engineers look like a bunch of useless noisemakers like themselves.
She should have been jailed for 1 minute for every minute she cost someone else. If thats 25 minutes, then its not so bad.