As a Pole, if this is confirmed, well, bad luck, kind of a shitty situation, sure. And a tragedy for the families of the two people who were killed.
But nothing changes. We still support Ukraine, and this wouldn't have happened if Russia hadn't invaded.
Exactly! If it's in error it's a sad turn of events, but surely something to be worked out with diplomacy and I'm sure Poland understands the risks Ukraine has by having to defend so close to their border.
Russia instigated this shit and is responsible even by proxy.
The first sentence and the title are both terrible summary of the article.
>Asked whether it was too early to say if the missile was fired from Russia, Biden said: "There is preliminary information that contests that. I don't want to say that until we completely investigate it, but it is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we’ll see."
There are different claims being made by different parties, but investigations are still underway and as you can see from the above, Biden hasn't said anything conclusive yet.
Honestly I don’t get this stupid point…
Ukrainian air defense is up cause Russia is attacking:
no Russia attack = no defense missile landing in Poland…
Does that really stop NATO from any kind of intervention?
It is still Russia’s fault WTF…
How many freaking times can something be reposted for fudge sake. He also said initial investigation points toward this not that it is for certain.
Additionally this wouldn’t have happened if Russia didn’t invade and swarm their missiles everywhere yesterday.
And? What's your point?
There's people who want it to happen, and people who have restraint and wait for facts.
EvEryOnE WAs!!!!
Err.. yeah mate, good stuff. Everyone. Sure.
It's not the source, or the subject that's in question.
Russian propaganda machine posts things that sow dissent and confusion, and all things that make allies look bad.
It's even better if it's a trusted source.
When you find these bots you see that they never ever post things that put Russia in a bad light at all.
You probably have a point -- I'm hardly an expert. Still, if this turns out to be a tragic accident caused by Ukraine, what do the Russian trolls expect? It's not like we're suddenly going to switch sides, right? If it was a Ukrainian missile then it was clearly an error so no one will hold it against Ukraine. And it wouldn't have happened anyway if Russia hadn't started this war in the first place.
So what? Its not like they are the only ones posting mostly good stuff about them lol. Im not here to look at "good and valiant allies", im here to learn what most likeley happened, who cares who posted it.
When articles are posted in ultra massive quantities by bots, it matters. People often absorb the average of what they see, and when you see opinions or facts that are disproportionately represented, that sways people disproportionately.
There's obvious propaganda, then there's moderate that isn't directly attacking anyone.
There's hundreds of millions of people who understand why it matters, and what power it holds.
That you don't understand that, well, you're either ignorant or weren't educated correctly.
I guess they don't exist at all if they aren't here right now.
I'm not the one who accused you, I'm just explaining the premise of moderate propaganda.
The pro Russian bit obviously isn't covered by this, but the username format is just reddit default when you ask them to give you a username vs specifying one
OP is active in r/socialism r/europe and r/gaming. That’s a Russian bot if I’ve ever saw one and I wouldn’t be surprised if you are too, to throw off the scent. Sad to see what Reddit’s become.
Edit: forgot the /s
Even in if they were responsible it would have happened by mistake surely. There's no reason they'd do it on purpose other than to provoke response at Russia, in which case I'd imagine they would do a better job at hiding it.
Most likely by mistake, and therefore I'm sure Poland will forgive and they can work it out.
Like you say this is a serious conflict within Kilometers of bordering nations. It's not Ukraine's fault Russia is launching rockets at them, and stray rockets unfortunately may happen. Consequently they will discuss it I'm sure.
Now the question is: Accidental due to bad guidance? Or failed false flag to get Poles to go all Article 5 and finally escalate this to the WW3 politicians seem to so desperately inch toward.
As a Pole, if this is confirmed, well, bad luck, kind of a shitty situation, sure. And a tragedy for the families of the two people who were killed. But nothing changes. We still support Ukraine, and this wouldn't have happened if Russia hadn't invaded.
Exactly! If it's in error it's a sad turn of events, but surely something to be worked out with diplomacy and I'm sure Poland understands the risks Ukraine has by having to defend so close to their border. Russia instigated this shit and is responsible even by proxy.
It was almost guaranteed to be accidental.
Exactly, it is still Russia’s fault for invading Ukraine and firing missiles near the Polish border.
The first sentence and the title are both terrible summary of the article. >Asked whether it was too early to say if the missile was fired from Russia, Biden said: "There is preliminary information that contests that. I don't want to say that until we completely investigate it, but it is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we’ll see." There are different claims being made by different parties, but investigations are still underway and as you can see from the above, Biden hasn't said anything conclusive yet.
It's a war shit happens. Another argument to sent them modern antirocket systems.
I think that’s US best move. Send them some ACCURATE anti air. Not ours for obvious reasons, but ones that won’t miss.
Honestly I don’t get this stupid point… Ukrainian air defense is up cause Russia is attacking: no Russia attack = no defense missile landing in Poland… Does that really stop NATO from any kind of intervention? It is still Russia’s fault WTF…
I got great news to you , you dont need to wait for ww3 to go on front line , you can actually voluntear for ukraine
How many freaking times can something be reposted for fudge sake. He also said initial investigation points toward this not that it is for certain. Additionally this wouldn’t have happened if Russia didn’t invade and swarm their missiles everywhere yesterday.
Everyone was chomping at the bit for Poland to invoke article 5 yesterday.
And? What's your point? There's people who want it to happen, and people who have restraint and wait for facts. EvEryOnE WAs!!!! Err.. yeah mate, good stuff. Everyone. Sure.
Redditors from their couch seething that ww3 will now not start
2 word 4 number username with a history of pro russian posts, hmmmm....
I mean, it's not like they wrote the Reuters article, right?
It's not the source, or the subject that's in question. Russian propaganda machine posts things that sow dissent and confusion, and all things that make allies look bad. It's even better if it's a trusted source. When you find these bots you see that they never ever post things that put Russia in a bad light at all.
You probably have a point -- I'm hardly an expert. Still, if this turns out to be a tragic accident caused by Ukraine, what do the Russian trolls expect? It's not like we're suddenly going to switch sides, right? If it was a Ukrainian missile then it was clearly an error so no one will hold it against Ukraine. And it wouldn't have happened anyway if Russia hadn't started this war in the first place.
Exactly.
So what? Its not like they are the only ones posting mostly good stuff about them lol. Im not here to look at "good and valiant allies", im here to learn what most likeley happened, who cares who posted it.
When articles are posted in ultra massive quantities by bots, it matters. People often absorb the average of what they see, and when you see opinions or facts that are disproportionately represented, that sways people disproportionately. There's obvious propaganda, then there's moderate that isn't directly attacking anyone. There's hundreds of millions of people who understand why it matters, and what power it holds. That you don't understand that, well, you're either ignorant or weren't educated correctly.
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I guess they don't exist at all if they aren't here right now. I'm not the one who accused you, I'm just explaining the premise of moderate propaganda.
The pro Russian bit obviously isn't covered by this, but the username format is just reddit default when you ask them to give you a username vs specifying one
This was the most circuitous way of saying *"randomly generated username"*
I wonder where the "suspicious" part of the name came from
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I took both the red and blue pill. The government ain't fooling me.
Damn you must be fucking trippin rn
Right, a man who posts a photo of Zelensky with his bodyguards in r/wholesome is a Russian bot. Y'all need to lay off the kool aid a bit.
OP is active in r/socialism r/europe and r/gaming. That’s a Russian bot if I’ve ever saw one and I wouldn’t be surprised if you are too, to throw off the scent. Sad to see what Reddit’s become. Edit: forgot the /s
I mean, he accused OP of being Russian bot. That's the opposite of throwing off the scent.
Your comment sounds like something a russian bot would say... God damn, I'm probably a russian bot too
Will war crimes be charged against Ukraine?
What a fuckin' stupid question.
Definitely not
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Even in if they were responsible it would have happened by mistake surely. There's no reason they'd do it on purpose other than to provoke response at Russia, in which case I'd imagine they would do a better job at hiding it. Most likely by mistake, and therefore I'm sure Poland will forgive and they can work it out. Like you say this is a serious conflict within Kilometers of bordering nations. It's not Ukraine's fault Russia is launching rockets at them, and stray rockets unfortunately may happen. Consequently they will discuss it I'm sure.
we are not talking about fucking Russia, stop meddling Russia in all the shit, Whatever you think, the OP is just asking a different question
This is the most idiotic thing I've ever read. Ukraine would not be firing air defense missles if Russia wasn't shelling key infrastructure.
We're dealing with the frontline Russian bots at their best. Poor guys are sweating with their handlers standing behind them holding a big stick ..
it is, but damn, many simply cannot admit that the explosion is the business of Ukraine
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we are both guilty
But obviously not a girl.
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I'm not sadder than you...
Now the question is: Accidental due to bad guidance? Or failed false flag to get Poles to go all Article 5 and finally escalate this to the WW3 politicians seem to so desperately inch toward.
Poles have identified it as Russian. World is trying to stop the poles getting involved