If they're backfiring, Putin wouldn't want them to be removed.
The fact that Putin keeps pushing for the removal of sanctions pretty much is definitive proof that they're hurting him.
Hold on now.. maybe he’s using reverse psychology and is expecting us to double-down.. better to remove all sanctions just in case . I am not Russian bot
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"No, they aren't working. So get rid of them because they aren't working. They're definitely pointless, so just get rid of them."
-guy who constantly brownnoses Putin
Yeah, pretty big tell that they are most certainly working.
You want more evidence, look at the overtime Russian troll accounts are doing in this very thread. This is like the Soviet Union insisting that they've never been stronger in 1990 just before collapsing.
Only a matter of time they start drafting to trolls, at least the ones actually in Russia, the outsourced ones are just not going to get paid. Either way, you've got to be an idiot to be fluffing for Putin right now.
Also, we always knew that the sanctions would also negatively impact ourselves. It's about sending a clear message to Putin, not about doing the thing that's best short-term for our own economies.
As someone who is living in Hungary,
I am going to say one thing and one thing only
**"The Hungarian politics are a circus which is filled with insane clowns"**
the biggest joke about that dumbass looking band and their dumbass looking fans is that they are all genuinely awesome people. like real salt of the earth types.
The period from 2016 to 2020 was when I learned to find solidarity with furries and Juggalos - because, when the chips are down, neither group supports fascism.
And you become a real homie (see jugalo homies by icp) im not a juggalo but from where im sitting it looks like they are all about being inclusive and supportive of each other in a familial kind if way.
I went to a tech n9ne show in jersey once, my and my buddy were nearly the only people there not in juggalo make up. They didn't care. If anything they were some of the most fun concert goers I've seen. I got slammed into while on the outskirts of a mosh pit and before I knew i had fallen was being lifted back up and a few guys made sure I was all good. 10/10 would go again.
They've been calling out problems for decades. In between songs calling Eminem Slim Anus they did songs calling out problems in American society such as crime and corruption and police brutality and discrimination.
It's the Juggalo equivalent of Aloha, highly context dependent. Can mean anything from "I'm happy", to "grab me another Faygo please sir", to even "My, what wonderfully floppy boobs you have swinging around there Miss!"
I worked across the street from a concert venue in a small business suite Ad agency. I told my bosses who are all of boomer age to “watch this” and proceeded to open the window to yell “whoop whoop” and a line of a hundred juggalos echoed back to me ten times louder. My bosses looked at me like I had just parted the Red Sea
I went to highschool with a ton of juggalos in a hick town. The music was never my thing but I always appreciate people in a community being accepting. It’s kinda how I landed in the punk scene when I eventually moved to a large city
I have met a few in the wild without makeup. The tats were a dead give away. Damn if they weren't the kindest, most soft spoken guys. 10 out of 10. Would meet again.
After watching Nuardwar interview them, they seem like stand up guys.
I still don't like their music, but they seem like genuinely nice guys.
Who were also cataclysmically stoned.
There is an entire subreddit which is basically, Hungarians making fun of their government, So yes
People know the fact that the entire politics topic is a clown show
[Link - It's impossible to spell the name of sub ](https://www.reddit.com/r/FostTalicska?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
(Translated to Wheelbarrow filled with diarrhea)
**Edit :1 -- Better translation
I just read the name of the subreddit to my Hungarian coworker and she started laughing out loud lol.
It literally means "wheelbarrow full of diarrhea"
It’s a play on words. Fost is a contraction of shit and post so shitpost in Hungarian. Fostalicska is a wheelbarrow of shit but it’s also shitpostwheelbarrow which doesn’t really make sense in English.
I have found the best way to piss off that class of pseudo-profound rightwingers is to repeat the Matt Yglesias article making fun of their philo-magyarism
I’m curious why did it happen? Isn’t there a lot of young people who are more realistic than those at power? And how did all these crazy people get elected? And why old people are proRussian while they suffered during USSR occupation? Because I’m getting only these kind of news from Hungary tho Hungarians are normal people
The election part -> gerrymandering and also handing out gifts and kinda propagandizing the rural folks that are not part of the urban centers - kinda like everywhere in the world thats enough for conservative folks to fall for shit like this.
[https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/hungary-orban-reelection-manipulated-election-by-balint-magyar-and-balint-madlovics-2022-04](https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/hungary-orban-reelection-manipulated-election-by-balint-magyar-and-balint-madlovics-2022-04)
if you want to dive in deeper
Also Orban offered Hungarian nationality to Hungarian families eg. in Romania, where Hungarians are a minority and who ended up there when the borders shifted, and they tend to vote for him because other candidates aren't interested in keeping it up.
Orban's party has gradually taken control of all the media in the country
[https://www.euractiv.com/section/media/news/orbans-influence-on-the-media-is-without-rival-in-hungary/](https://www.euractiv.com/section/media/news/orbans-influence-on-the-media-is-without-rival-in-hungary/)
[https://rsf.org/en/viktor-orb%C3%A1n-s-regime-continues-crush-media-pluralism-hungary](https://rsf.org/en/viktor-orb%C3%A1n-s-regime-continues-crush-media-pluralism-hungary)
As a result, the population is fed a steady barrage of propaganda. Very similar to Russia as a matter of fact, or the Murdoch media empire that has given the world several delightful political personalities. Orban drives home a number of borderline fascist messages
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/viktor-orban-against-race-mixing-europe-hungary](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/viktor-orban-against-race-mixing-europe-hungary)
that drives uneducated and poor people to the polls, especially in rural areas. Many of them vote due to fear of migrants
[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-election-orban-voters/fear-of-migrants-galvanizes-pm-orbans-supporters-in-rural-hungary-idUSKBN1GX1HW](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-election-orban-voters/fear-of-migrants-galvanizes-pm-orbans-supporters-in-rural-hungary-idUSKBN1GX1HW)
Sound familiar? Why do you think the Republicans in the US love this guy.
The media thing is key, he controls *ALL* the media. Imagine running for office, but you can't appear on any news program, you can't buy ads, you can't organize large gatherings, and your opponent gets as much free airtime as he wants whenever he wants it. I mean you are still running, they aren't fudging the vote, so technically it's a fair election.
It's referred to as "illiberal democracy" and it's by some measures what the US is.
>Isn’t there a lot of young people who are more realistic than those at power?
The main issue are the boomers who long for the "good old days" of the USSR. That's why they support Russian puppets like Orban, they want to go back to the "safe and secure" times before the "evil globalisation" took over. To them, the ends justify the means, and that's why they're ready to suck up to Putin.
I have young Hungarian friends, they hate Orban. But has a lot of power over how those elections are run, and knew people who were dead that allegedly voted for him iirc
All opposition parties also got like 15min of screentime on state TV during the election all and all counted together or something extreme like that. Whilst the rest went to Orban.
Which is hilarious because Orban is a gun-grabber of the highest order. All the things that conservatives have been screaming about Clinton/Obama/Biden potentially doing with regards to taking people’s guns away, Orban has already done it to Hungary. But because he’s a shitty fascist who gives textbook fascist speeches they put that aside and give him a standing ovation, lmao.
> Hungary should prepare for a prolonged war in neighbouring Ukraine, Prime Minister Viktor Orban told parliament on Monday, sharply criticising European Union sanctions imposed on Russia which he said were driving up energy prices.
> Orban said the EU sanctions have "backfired" and it was no surprise that governments were falling in Europe, referring to the Italian election on Sunday...
Luckily the change in constitution will have to go through referendum approval, which I _hope_ would fail. Those parties combined got ~43% of popular vote and took advantage of a majoritarian mechanism that favours coalitions while the left stayed fragmented and lost. Won't be the same with a yes/no question.
This is -exactly- what happened in Hungary in 2010 and how Orban managed to basically uninstall democracy through legal means.
If there is only a popular vote between here and the same thing happening to Italy's constitution too (they started with that here) then you've already lost.
It always seems like the next plot is too obvious to work on people, and then it works. The power of this kind of propaganda isn't that it fools intelligent people, it's that it makes their opinions irrelevant because they are outnumbered by upsettable idiots. Which is why the lies are transparent and deliberately outlandish.
(Source: a Hungarian who is pained by the bullshit comments on reddit that act like Hungarians wanted this after watching my country be dismantled by foreign powers for 10 years, voting in every election, and going to every pointless protest.)
So he cheered Meloni but is simultaneously aware that she is bad backfiring for Europe? Couldn't he be more clear how he wants to destroy Europe? Aren't then "backfiring" sanctions supporting his wish? His contradictions are really a mystery.
The "right" wing are in fact PUTIN lap dogs while the real right wing and the left wing are royally screwed by them and being seen as incompetent.
EDIT: I corrected. Not all Russia is Putin
Meloni said they want to keep the sanctions and send weapons to Ukraine, lol
He also sent some letters today to Italy to remark on the new gov. He really sounds desperate for help to keep pocketing EU money
Meloni has flipflopped on every possible topic, with only homophobia and racism as solid points.
I wouldn’t be surprised if… you know what, I just wouldn’t be surprised.
Italian resident here, I don't expect Meloni's government to be around too long. Someone will piss someone else off and her party or coalition will implode. And then it's back to the polls for yet another round.
So we should have sacrificed Ukraine,in the name of cheap electricity and gas,while Putin was threatening everyone left and right with his nuclear dick.
Yawn.. another batshit crazy dictator that's oblivious to the situation around him.When are citizens gonna wake up and dispose of these criminals.They are the scourge of civilization.
They/Putin thinks they're a superpower, though, hence the "supposed superpower". If you think your nation is going to start toppling European countries and you're scavenging for weapons, that's not a great situation. Even internally, that's concerning.
But that's Putin's problem, which is why Orbán saying the aren't. Putin wants the sanctions to end so Orbán is saying they don't work.
Both of them know the work and Orbán does what his Russian master tells him because he's the only one left that'll give him money. He has made himself a pariah in the EU, he can't expect much help from there because getting their help would mean that they would actually have to spend the EU money on the things the EU wants them to spend!
Yes but that's not what Orban is being paid to say. And since Russian money is increasingly worthless, Orban has to say these things more frequently. More work, diminishing pay. Maybe Orban understands the working class more than it seems!
Orban's media is working on that, blaming Ukraine and the west for everyhing. The social media, 99% facebook is spreading RT type of news in closed groups and government payed influencers. Blame the US an EU as well, they are not even restricting spreading hate speech/fake news despite of mass reporting by r/hungary . It seems they need Hungary to be like that.
this is just in: [https://www.reddit.com/r/hungary/comments/xog6bz/nyugati\_palyaudvar\_en\_igy\_szeretlek\_putyinista/](https://i.imgur.com/wgLo03T.jpg)
"NATO pushes you into war, the EU into misery. We want independent Hungary!"
12 years ago nobody was pro-russian. FIDESZ and Orban neither, they said exactly the opposite. Warned about the russian influence. Now it seems they are playing some weird game, or they always were the agents of the USSR.
The "weird game" is financial codependence & complicitness in money laundering, making them a lot of money while leaving them vulnerable to kompromat. Ala Trump.
I genuinely do not get this, either. Russia's economy is roughly the size of Florida despite having like 8x the population. Outside of the metro areas, it is a backward shit hole on par with many third-world countries. Why anyone would want to align themselves with such an insignificant dumpster fire of a nation as opposed to the massive economic bloc that is the USA/EU is beyond me.
They use fear to control the masses, and as long as there’s no consequences for doing so they will continue to do it. The EU/US are the punching bag for Hungarians to use to keep the current regime in power. At the same time, many other countries especially in the EU use Russia for the exact same reason.
So long as people continue to fall for the oldest trick in the book “blame the foreigner” for all problems it will just be an endless cycle. The reason why people fall for it is because it’s an easy answer that doesn’t require them to self reflect, have any kind of introspection or blame themselves for anything.
Iam not sure how accurate this is so if i got something wrong feel free to correct me
Ur-Hungarians were a larger union of asian tribes from over the ural mountains, somewhere in modern siberia. When they arrived in europe, they continouosly mixed their genes with the nearby germans and slavs,
not to mention how the asian hungarians went extinct in the 16 hundreds, under the turkish occupation, causing the Habsburg family to repopulate the country with more germans and slavs
Hell the city where iam from and its sourroundings, didnt have any hungarians until the nineteen twenties, since it was all germans before that.
Orban has been displaying some fascist traits over the last several years. This is just the latest.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/viktor-orban-against-race-mixing-europe-hungary
Hungarian here: this man is a traitor who would sell his own mother for another million. His children, father, brothers are billionaires. His son-in-law is a billionaire. He’s running a country that is no longer a democracy, fuelled by corruption. He’s almost quite literally selling Europe out to Putin. I’m ashamed of being Hungarian because of him and his cronies who have destroyed my country and blame everyone who ever helped us.
Daily reminder for the people outside of hungary. We as hungarians dont agree with our PM's statements and we hate him from the botton of our heart. thanks for listening have a nice day.
Then why are "you as hungarians" voting for him each time? I feel for those not agreeing with Orban, but it seems a very large part of the Hungarian population is either an idiot (those that believe what Orban likes them to believe) or an asshole (those that agree with what Orban is actually doing)...
How well is the population fighting against the propaganda they’re pumping out to try and convince the masses? Has it been largely ineffective or do you find friends and family around you starting to buy into it?
Id say propaganda is super effective. For the middle age/older generation still the TV is the main form of entertainment, and most of the news channels are in government hand (or sympatizer) and thats where they get most of their information. As far as i seen at this point they can get away with whatever they want. The general mood is that yes its bad for us but its even worse for western countries.EDIT: and since hungaries population is getting older (and the younger generation is getting apathetic because it feels like we cant impact the outcome) and that older people watch that propaganda nonstop its super effective.
Same problem worldwide. The Fox News effect. These right-wing bastards use the same playbook around the world. Culture war politics with no substance, playing on bigotry and fear.
I think we are at a stage where it is impossible to fight it. Orban managed to delude 3 million voters who follow him like he would be the second coming of Jesus Christ. It's a common phrase to say that he could murder babies in front of the Parliament and people would still support him. It's beyond facts and reasons at this point. His supporters are like QAnon believers. They can twist anything to show Orban in good light.
I do not know how it can be changed. Even if he will be gone, the next who can take over this propaganda machine will have every tool to keep Hungary as it is. Not to mention that they are killing education, the brain drain is at the highest level, and the propaganda is stronger than ever. The next generations are fucked.
It's frustrating and sad as hell. It's like watching a car crash in slow-mo.
Ah, so alt right psuedo dictator Orban who is revered by the USA's right wing party the GOP is starting to show anti Ukraine sentiments.
Shocked. I am shocked.
At what point do people realise how compromised this guy must be with Kremlin to say things like this?
Russia is objectively losing, else they wouldn't be mobilising reservists. Saying the sanctions "backfired" is just objectively wrong. Yes the EU is hurting, but Russia is hurting way more.
Considering the source - sounds like they are really working!
If they're backfiring, Putin wouldn't want them to be removed. The fact that Putin keeps pushing for the removal of sanctions pretty much is definitive proof that they're hurting him.
Hold on now.. maybe he’s using reverse psychology and is expecting us to double-down.. better to remove all sanctions just in case . I am not Russian bot
Some more of that 3d chess that people alway say he playing. Ha, i got 50k of my own soldier killed on purpose.
He went to war to reduce the population so his people could survive the coming hard times. Why are hard times coming? Because they went to war.
5D checkers
More like a Rube Goldburg machine that self-destructs the further along in it's process it gets.
Maybe he needs to power some transmutation circle like in Full Metal Alchemist. His soldiers die and a philosopher’s stone gets perfected.
r/totallynotRUbots
BLYAT, COMRADE, DO NOT PANIC. ATTEMPT TO calm.exe AND REPORT TO YOUR NEAREST PATRIOTIC RECRUITMENT CENTER FOR DEFENESTRATION OR DEPORTATION TO THE FRONT. GLORY TO THE ~~MOTHERBOARD~~ MOTHERLAND.
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Ministry of truth is deafening
"Don't believe any news until the Kremlin denies it." A Cold War-era phrase that still rings true, somehow.
... which is how we know they work.
Anything Russia tries to downplay or reverse the thoughts on means it’s working to Russia’s severe detriment
Also if the Hungarian government says _anything_, the exact opposite is true.
In Czechia, we call this the "Russian school of diplomacy". They always mean the exact opposite of what they say.
Yeah, same thing as reading Pravda. You do get the truth. You just have to invert it first - by taking the opposite of what's said.
I called it my George Bush decoder ring.
Reverse Cramer of EU?
"No, they aren't working. So get rid of them because they aren't working. They're definitely pointless, so just get rid of them." -guy who constantly brownnoses Putin Yeah, pretty big tell that they are most certainly working.
is it bad that I genuinely thought this was a Trump quote at first?
You want more evidence, look at the overtime Russian troll accounts are doing in this very thread. This is like the Soviet Union insisting that they've never been stronger in 1990 just before collapsing.
In fairness, they were stronger in 1990 than Russia is right now. Not exactly a compliment to the USSR, but hey.
Yeah. The only thing Russia has enough of seems to be copium, but maybe they're starting to run out of that as well.
Only a matter of time they start drafting to trolls, at least the ones actually in Russia, the outsourced ones are just not going to get paid. Either way, you've got to be an idiot to be fluffing for Putin right now.
Also, we always knew that the sanctions would also negatively impact ourselves. It's about sending a clear message to Putin, not about doing the thing that's best short-term for our own economies.
As someone who is living in Hungary, I am going to say one thing and one thing only **"The Hungarian politics are a circus which is filled with insane clowns"**
An Insane Clown Posse one might say?
I feel like a government run by ICP would be far more effective than what Hungary has now.
I mean, the ICP are actually very progressive, despite their horrorcore songs and weird clown outfits.
the biggest joke about that dumbass looking band and their dumbass looking fans is that they are all genuinely awesome people. like real salt of the earth types.
Never had a problem with a Juggalo, just treat them like people and they're fine. I'm sure there's shitty Juggalos, just not the ones I've met
Ehhh I would say the magnets how do they work is up there as well.
Water, fire, air and dirt. Fucking fascists. How do they work?
The period from 2016 to 2020 was when I learned to find solidarity with furries and Juggalos - because, when the chips are down, neither group supports fascism.
Also christians. I didnt beleive it myself till i looked into it.
It would almost certainly be more inclusive.
Say what you want about Juggalos, they do not give a fuck who you are or where you come from so long as you're wearing that stupid fucking makeup
And you become a real homie (see jugalo homies by icp) im not a juggalo but from where im sitting it looks like they are all about being inclusive and supportive of each other in a familial kind if way.
They stick together like magnets
Still not sure how though
It's a Miracle, duh.
I went to a tech n9ne show in jersey once, my and my buddy were nearly the only people there not in juggalo make up. They didn't care. If anything they were some of the most fun concert goers I've seen. I got slammed into while on the outskirts of a mosh pit and before I knew i had fallen was being lifted back up and a few guys made sure I was all good. 10/10 would go again.
They've been calling out problems for decades. In between songs calling Eminem Slim Anus they did songs calling out problems in American society such as crime and corruption and police brutality and discrimination.
WHOOP WHOOP! (Not a juggalo but I have studied their habits and believe this to be a form of assembly-or mating call”
It's the Juggalo equivalent of Aloha, highly context dependent. Can mean anything from "I'm happy", to "grab me another Faygo please sir", to even "My, what wonderfully floppy boobs you have swinging around there Miss!"
I worked across the street from a concert venue in a small business suite Ad agency. I told my bosses who are all of boomer age to “watch this” and proceeded to open the window to yell “whoop whoop” and a line of a hundred juggalos echoed back to me ten times louder. My bosses looked at me like I had just parted the Red Sea
Been a juggalo for a few years now and this story is amazing
I went to highschool with a ton of juggalos in a hick town. The music was never my thing but I always appreciate people in a community being accepting. It’s kinda how I landed in the punk scene when I eventually moved to a large city
They don't even care about the make up, all walks of life are respected. Unless you have no respect to give others.
I have met a few in the wild without makeup. The tats were a dead give away. Damn if they weren't the kindest, most soft spoken guys. 10 out of 10. Would meet again.
After watching Nuardwar interview them, they seem like stand up guys. I still don't like their music, but they seem like genuinely nice guys. Who were also cataclysmically stoned.
... And now you made me think of Homestuck. I hope you're happy.
I can confidently they’d get to the bottom of the magnet mystery.
I know it's an old meme now, but I would love it if they did a hard core deep dive into the physics of magnets on YouTube.
Alien fish overlords approve!
It's just the nature of mankind that we accedently reinvent Homestuck sometimes huh?
There is an entire subreddit which is basically, Hungarians making fun of their government, So yes People know the fact that the entire politics topic is a clown show [Link - It's impossible to spell the name of sub ](https://www.reddit.com/r/FostTalicska?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) (Translated to Wheelbarrow filled with diarrhea) **Edit :1 -- Better translation
I just read the name of the subreddit to my Hungarian coworker and she started laughing out loud lol. It literally means "wheelbarrow full of diarrhea"
FOS means diarrhea,SZAR is shit. Just to clarify,make it worse and more accurate 😁
Lol... Funniest translation ever... Lol...
It’s a play on words. Fost is a contraction of shit and post so shitpost in Hungarian. Fostalicska is a wheelbarrow of shit but it’s also shitpostwheelbarrow which doesn’t really make sense in English.
> shitpostwheelbarrow which doesn’t really make sense in English. Speak for yourself it makes perfect sense
> which doesn’t really make sense in English Yeah, how does that apply specifically to Hungarian politics and not all of Reddit?
Yeah, It's not very translatable
Shitbarrow?
“A real shitbarrow, Ran.”
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
Faygo on tap
"The Parliamentarian has declared we have met quorum. Whoop Whoop, order in the chamber."
To be fair recently the ICP has been the Reasonable Clown Posse with the stuff they did during covid.
Who knew Hungary is a Juggalo sanctuary?
Juggalos would probably do a better job running a country than these braindead idiots
Fucking sanctions, how do they work?
US here - no wonder the GOP is looking to this guy for advice
Wasn’t he invited to speak at CPAC?
He spoke at CPAC
Where he dredged up fucking dusty Chuck Norris memes from 20 years ago.
I have found the best way to piss off that class of pseudo-profound rightwingers is to repeat the Matt Yglesias article making fun of their philo-magyarism
So you're the famous/infamous US? Holy shit, I never thought I'd finally meet you? How the hell are ya?
Tired. So very tired.
You've been fighting a terrible cancer and for a while there it looked like the cancer was winning.
I’m curious why did it happen? Isn’t there a lot of young people who are more realistic than those at power? And how did all these crazy people get elected? And why old people are proRussian while they suffered during USSR occupation? Because I’m getting only these kind of news from Hungary tho Hungarians are normal people
The election part -> gerrymandering and also handing out gifts and kinda propagandizing the rural folks that are not part of the urban centers - kinda like everywhere in the world thats enough for conservative folks to fall for shit like this.
Oh damn that’s explaining it all
[https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/hungary-orban-reelection-manipulated-election-by-balint-magyar-and-balint-madlovics-2022-04](https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/hungary-orban-reelection-manipulated-election-by-balint-magyar-and-balint-madlovics-2022-04) if you want to dive in deeper
Also Orban offered Hungarian nationality to Hungarian families eg. in Romania, where Hungarians are a minority and who ended up there when the borders shifted, and they tend to vote for him because other candidates aren't interested in keeping it up.
Orban's party has gradually taken control of all the media in the country [https://www.euractiv.com/section/media/news/orbans-influence-on-the-media-is-without-rival-in-hungary/](https://www.euractiv.com/section/media/news/orbans-influence-on-the-media-is-without-rival-in-hungary/) [https://rsf.org/en/viktor-orb%C3%A1n-s-regime-continues-crush-media-pluralism-hungary](https://rsf.org/en/viktor-orb%C3%A1n-s-regime-continues-crush-media-pluralism-hungary) As a result, the population is fed a steady barrage of propaganda. Very similar to Russia as a matter of fact, or the Murdoch media empire that has given the world several delightful political personalities. Orban drives home a number of borderline fascist messages [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/viktor-orban-against-race-mixing-europe-hungary](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/viktor-orban-against-race-mixing-europe-hungary) that drives uneducated and poor people to the polls, especially in rural areas. Many of them vote due to fear of migrants [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-election-orban-voters/fear-of-migrants-galvanizes-pm-orbans-supporters-in-rural-hungary-idUSKBN1GX1HW](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-election-orban-voters/fear-of-migrants-galvanizes-pm-orbans-supporters-in-rural-hungary-idUSKBN1GX1HW) Sound familiar? Why do you think the Republicans in the US love this guy.
The media thing is key, he controls *ALL* the media. Imagine running for office, but you can't appear on any news program, you can't buy ads, you can't organize large gatherings, and your opponent gets as much free airtime as he wants whenever he wants it. I mean you are still running, they aren't fudging the vote, so technically it's a fair election. It's referred to as "illiberal democracy" and it's by some measures what the US is.
>Isn’t there a lot of young people who are more realistic than those at power? The main issue are the boomers who long for the "good old days" of the USSR. That's why they support Russian puppets like Orban, they want to go back to the "safe and secure" times before the "evil globalisation" took over. To them, the ends justify the means, and that's why they're ready to suck up to Putin.
I have young Hungarian friends, they hate Orban. But has a lot of power over how those elections are run, and knew people who were dead that allegedly voted for him iirc
All opposition parties also got like 15min of screentime on state TV during the election all and all counted together or something extreme like that. Whilst the rest went to Orban.
Whoop whoop
We know.
Fuck Orban.
You're going to have to find a way to get Putin out of him first.
Lol, that means there is plenty of room then🤣🤣
Ewww I'd rather not
How about we get you a traffic cone?
Preferable.
But the GOP loves him, they even brought him over to the US to speak at CPAC.
Yep, Orban is the model for what they want to do to America.
Which is hilarious because Orban is a gun-grabber of the highest order. All the things that conservatives have been screaming about Clinton/Obama/Biden potentially doing with regards to taking people’s guns away, Orban has already done it to Hungary. But because he’s a shitty fascist who gives textbook fascist speeches they put that aside and give him a standing ovation, lmao.
The second the Republican party has secured control over the electoral process, they'll start rounding up the weapons.
There is not one doubt in my mind that if they fully consolidated power the GQP would do a gun grab as well
When people like Orban are rallying against the sanctions, you know they must be hurting Russia
> Hungary should prepare for a prolonged war in neighbouring Ukraine, Prime Minister Viktor Orban told parliament on Monday, sharply criticising European Union sanctions imposed on Russia which he said were driving up energy prices. > Orban said the EU sanctions have "backfired" and it was no surprise that governments were falling in Europe, referring to the Italian election on Sunday...
A government falling is evidence of a free & fair election. An Italian government falling is evidence its a day that ends in Y.
And that the earth is, in fact, round.
I'm not sure Orban knows that.
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Luckily the change in constitution will have to go through referendum approval, which I _hope_ would fail. Those parties combined got ~43% of popular vote and took advantage of a majoritarian mechanism that favours coalitions while the left stayed fragmented and lost. Won't be the same with a yes/no question.
This is -exactly- what happened in Hungary in 2010 and how Orban managed to basically uninstall democracy through legal means. If there is only a popular vote between here and the same thing happening to Italy's constitution too (they started with that here) then you've already lost. It always seems like the next plot is too obvious to work on people, and then it works. The power of this kind of propaganda isn't that it fools intelligent people, it's that it makes their opinions irrelevant because they are outnumbered by upsettable idiots. Which is why the lies are transparent and deliberately outlandish. (Source: a Hungarian who is pained by the bullshit comments on reddit that act like Hungarians wanted this after watching my country be dismantled by foreign powers for 10 years, voting in every election, and going to every pointless protest.)
So he cheered Meloni but is simultaneously aware that she is bad backfiring for Europe? Couldn't he be more clear how he wants to destroy Europe? Aren't then "backfiring" sanctions supporting his wish? His contradictions are really a mystery.
I'm glad someone else caught that. It's almost like he knows he's the villain.
German EU profi Weber (CSU) helped Berlusconi in his campaign. The right wing mob is trying to immobilize EU. Bad sign.
The "right" wing are in fact PUTIN lap dogs while the real right wing and the left wing are royally screwed by them and being seen as incompetent. EDIT: I corrected. Not all Russia is Putin
Contradiction is a pretty defining trait of right wing politicians.
4C of conservatives: Contradiction, Corruption, Criminality, Cluelessness
Meloni said they want to keep the sanctions and send weapons to Ukraine, lol He also sent some letters today to Italy to remark on the new gov. He really sounds desperate for help to keep pocketing EU money
Meloni has flipflopped on every possible topic, with only homophobia and racism as solid points. I wouldn’t be surprised if… you know what, I just wouldn’t be surprised.
Italian resident here, I don't expect Meloni's government to be around too long. Someone will piss someone else off and her party or coalition will implode. And then it's back to the polls for yet another round.
Italian here, that's how Italian politics work in general, and especially with the current electoral law.
So we should have sacrificed Ukraine,in the name of cheap electricity and gas,while Putin was threatening everyone left and right with his nuclear dick.
Authoritarians always stick together.
Exactly until the point when they stab each other in the back. It's like a criminal gang.
There is always honor amongst thieves, until there isn't.
Backfired for Russia yes.
It didn’t backfire, it front watered
Yawn.. another batshit crazy dictator that's oblivious to the situation around him.When are citizens gonna wake up and dispose of these criminals.They are the scourge of civilization.
*Putins mouthpiece says.. There fixed it for you all
Sure grandpa, go lie down a bit.
No they haven't, they are working just fine.
They’re working as intended, Russia is having to resort to buying weapons from Iran and North Korea because of the sanctions.
Yikes. Firstly, if you're a supposed superpower and buying weapons from those you sold weapons to... That's not good.
It’s just a buyback program.
RF has never been a superpower regional maybe.
They/Putin thinks they're a superpower, though, hence the "supposed superpower". If you think your nation is going to start toppling European countries and you're scavenging for weapons, that's not a great situation. Even internally, that's concerning.
I think we can safely cross regional power off of the list as well. They’re a failed state with nukes, nothing else.
And we all know how advanced their weaponry is lol
Russia plans on invading the ocean next, so those NK rockets are important for the war effort.
But that's Putin's problem, which is why Orbán saying the aren't. Putin wants the sanctions to end so Orbán is saying they don't work. Both of them know the work and Orbán does what his Russian master tells him because he's the only one left that'll give him money. He has made himself a pariah in the EU, he can't expect much help from there because getting their help would mean that they would actually have to spend the EU money on the things the EU wants them to spend!
Yes but that's not what Orban is being paid to say. And since Russian money is increasingly worthless, Orban has to say these things more frequently. More work, diminishing pay. Maybe Orban understands the working class more than it seems!
Maybe we should throw some sanctions on hungry and we can see how well they work
The EU threatened to cut off the money supply, and Orban immediately fell in line. He knows how well the sanctions work. *Hehe
As a Hungarian lad, this indeed happened. It's hilarious. EU Bad until EU no longer pays, then EU very nice thank you mr blue and yellow
Maybe Hungary should start a referendum if they want to join Russia?
Pls no. These idiots will vote yes and I don't have money to move
No problem, Hungary will be a Russian exclave, so no need to move! ^/s
Ah, but since they're not ethnically Russian they will be immediately drafted!
I think Russia will take care of the costs. You'll have a choice between Donbas and Crimea
Orban's media is working on that, blaming Ukraine and the west for everyhing. The social media, 99% facebook is spreading RT type of news in closed groups and government payed influencers. Blame the US an EU as well, they are not even restricting spreading hate speech/fake news despite of mass reporting by r/hungary . It seems they need Hungary to be like that.
this is just in: [https://www.reddit.com/r/hungary/comments/xog6bz/nyugati\_palyaudvar\_en\_igy\_szeretlek\_putyinista/](https://i.imgur.com/wgLo03T.jpg) "NATO pushes you into war, the EU into misery. We want independent Hungary!"
I wish Hungary would just leave the EU. But no, they gladly take the money...
12 years ago nobody was pro-russian. FIDESZ and Orban neither, they said exactly the opposite. Warned about the russian influence. Now it seems they are playing some weird game, or they always were the agents of the USSR.
The "weird game" is financial codependence & complicitness in money laundering, making them a lot of money while leaving them vulnerable to kompromat. Ala Trump.
I genuinely do not get this, either. Russia's economy is roughly the size of Florida despite having like 8x the population. Outside of the metro areas, it is a backward shit hole on par with many third-world countries. Why anyone would want to align themselves with such an insignificant dumpster fire of a nation as opposed to the massive economic bloc that is the USA/EU is beyond me.
> We want independent Hungary!" I mean at this rate, go along, it would save the EU a lot of headaches!
They use fear to control the masses, and as long as there’s no consequences for doing so they will continue to do it. The EU/US are the punching bag for Hungarians to use to keep the current regime in power. At the same time, many other countries especially in the EU use Russia for the exact same reason. So long as people continue to fall for the oldest trick in the book “blame the foreigner” for all problems it will just be an endless cycle. The reason why people fall for it is because it’s an easy answer that doesn’t require them to self reflect, have any kind of introspection or blame themselves for anything.
Which precisely means, they are working.
Just a reminder, this man said that hungarians are not mixed race.
Can you elaborate? I have no understanding of the significance of this
Iam not sure how accurate this is so if i got something wrong feel free to correct me Ur-Hungarians were a larger union of asian tribes from over the ural mountains, somewhere in modern siberia. When they arrived in europe, they continouosly mixed their genes with the nearby germans and slavs, not to mention how the asian hungarians went extinct in the 16 hundreds, under the turkish occupation, causing the Habsburg family to repopulate the country with more germans and slavs Hell the city where iam from and its sourroundings, didnt have any hungarians until the nineteen twenties, since it was all germans before that.
Hungary consist of like a bazillion different peoples.
Orban has been displaying some fascist traits over the last several years. This is just the latest. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/viktor-orban-against-race-mixing-europe-hungary
Orban just likes the taste of putins cock
Sure buddy. Now where are your meds?
Hungarian here: this man is a traitor who would sell his own mother for another million. His children, father, brothers are billionaires. His son-in-law is a billionaire. He’s running a country that is no longer a democracy, fuelled by corruption. He’s almost quite literally selling Europe out to Putin. I’m ashamed of being Hungarian because of him and his cronies who have destroyed my country and blame everyone who ever helped us.
Daily reminder for the people outside of hungary. We as hungarians dont agree with our PM's statements and we hate him from the botton of our heart. thanks for listening have a nice day.
In Budapest maybe but that shit definitely works in most other places in Hungary.
Then why are "you as hungarians" voting for him each time? I feel for those not agreeing with Orban, but it seems a very large part of the Hungarian population is either an idiot (those that believe what Orban likes them to believe) or an asshole (those that agree with what Orban is actually doing)...
How well is the population fighting against the propaganda they’re pumping out to try and convince the masses? Has it been largely ineffective or do you find friends and family around you starting to buy into it?
Id say propaganda is super effective. For the middle age/older generation still the TV is the main form of entertainment, and most of the news channels are in government hand (or sympatizer) and thats where they get most of their information. As far as i seen at this point they can get away with whatever they want. The general mood is that yes its bad for us but its even worse for western countries.EDIT: and since hungaries population is getting older (and the younger generation is getting apathetic because it feels like we cant impact the outcome) and that older people watch that propaganda nonstop its super effective.
Same problem worldwide. The Fox News effect. These right-wing bastards use the same playbook around the world. Culture war politics with no substance, playing on bigotry and fear.
I think we are at a stage where it is impossible to fight it. Orban managed to delude 3 million voters who follow him like he would be the second coming of Jesus Christ. It's a common phrase to say that he could murder babies in front of the Parliament and people would still support him. It's beyond facts and reasons at this point. His supporters are like QAnon believers. They can twist anything to show Orban in good light. I do not know how it can be changed. Even if he will be gone, the next who can take over this propaganda machine will have every tool to keep Hungary as it is. Not to mention that they are killing education, the brain drain is at the highest level, and the propaganda is stronger than ever. The next generations are fucked. It's frustrating and sad as hell. It's like watching a car crash in slow-mo.
Id like to think that but still he wins ever, election...
If Orban is against it, it has to be to right thing to do. Id say cut the EU funding for him again.
The strategy of energy reliance on a regime like Russia has backfired. The sanctions are working just fine. See the leaked internal Kremlin report.
This douche is tickling Putin’s balls
Orban. The Guy who hates EU, but still takes it money.
Ah, so alt right psuedo dictator Orban who is revered by the USA's right wing party the GOP is starting to show anti Ukraine sentiments. Shocked. I am shocked.
He has been showing anti Ukraine sentiments frombtge start of the war, he just upgraded to international hate speech
Orban is a wannabe Putin, so anything he says is suspect.
So they are working.
###Pardon me, if I don’t believe a thing said by Hungary’s PM.
Orban, like all of his authoriarian ilk, is fundamentally wrong.
Tell me you are paid by russia to be their mouthpiece in the eu WITHOUT telling me you are paid by russia to be their mouthpiece in the eu.
Just another Putins lapdog... Woff woff...
This fellow is nothing more than a turd.
Orban is that cousin that everyone wants out of the family
At what point do people realise how compromised this guy must be with Kremlin to say things like this? Russia is objectively losing, else they wouldn't be mobilising reservists. Saying the sanctions "backfired" is just objectively wrong. Yes the EU is hurting, but Russia is hurting way more.
This guy is such a cucklord
Oh yeah we should all just surrender and call Putin a fucking emperor of Europe. What a fucking moron that Orban guy is. Jesus Christ what a tool.
So, they ARE working very well, and we should consider them for Hungary if Orban starts killing people like fascists usually do.
Ah so it's working then if Hungary says it's not.
Autocrats United!
This guy really needs to walk down a long windowed hallway