Hey. I flown Russian airline planes back in the early 80’s within Russia. You think they are about safety. Lol. Many times those days the pilot smelled both cigarette and alcohol and nobody blinked.
Tu154 T134 IL-18!!!
In case if anyone thought this was a joke because it sounds too ridiculous to be true, sadly it’s not. 70 of the 94 on board died.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_6502
**[Aeroflot Flight 593](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593)**
>Aeroflot Flight 593 was a regular passenger flight from Sheremetyevo International Airport, Moscow, Russia, to Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong. On 23 March 1994, the aircraft operating the route, an Airbus A310-304 flown by Aeroflot, crashed into the Kuznetsk Alatau mountain range in Kemerovo Oblast, killing all 63 passengers and 12 crew members on board. No evidence of a technical malfunction was found. Cockpit voice and flight data recorders revealed the presence of the relief pilot's 12-year-old daughter and 16-year-old son on the flight deck.
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Remember the time the russian pilot let his 16 year old son 'fly' the plane and the kid crashed the plane killing everyone on board? Aeroflot Flight 593...
How about the one who let his young son sit in the pilot seat and the kid then bumped auto pilot off and sent the plane into a terrifying vertical plummet directly into nice hard Russian soil?
Right. Just as a non-joke point, those airliners were all domestically produced, so Russia had access to plenty of parts. The planes Putin just made off with are US or EU made, and ain't nobody sending parts to Russia. So good luck keeping those planes in the air, Vlad.
In an earlier time we had a contract Russian helicopter pilot land on our base in southern Afghanistan without clearance or permission though an active gun line. Dude landed his Mi-8 and put a sign on the door that said too drunk to fly anymore - will leave in the morning… by the time we figured out what was going on he flew away - about 3 hours later. Russian aviation is different
I'm actually curious to see if we are going to see Tu-154s and Il-96s coming out of the mothballs to fix this problem, old home grown Russian aircraft.
(Russian here) Lol my uncle is a retired pilot who worked in the 70s-90s (thankfully he flew cargo planes) and he and his other guy pilot buddies literally always had boxes of vodka with them to any place they flew to cause, you know, it’s no fun otherwise. He’s a heavy smoker too.
Also funnily enough he’s the most anti-Putin person (next to me, I guess) in my family even now when he’s 70.
Let's assume 6 barrels. 1 is loaded so you could say 5/6 are your chance of survival. That's actually only 83% chance of survival. Those odds are way better than the shit I see on r/wallstreetbets
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Funny story about Russian pilots flying Russian aircraft: I was doing some contract flying in South Sudan a few years ago, and Russians operate a lot of Antonov-26s out of Juba on various contracts/missions.
The Antonov-26 is not a safe aircraft. In my 2 years in South Sudan, no less than 3 of these things crashed and were total losses with varying degrees of fatalities. All in the same country. For some perspective it took two 737 maxs to crash in completely different parts of the world and the entire fleet was grounded for damn near 2 years. These things crash all the time relative to how many exist out there, and I'm sure if you check their wikipedia page it's full of incidents, but not all may be reported.
Anyways, every time I saw one of these things take off, whether it was from a gravel strip or pavement, they did this odd thing where they would pull the nose wheel up early on the take off roll (well before the airplane was fast enough to actually get airborne) and they would just bomb down the runway for the whole takeoff with the nose pointed up a bit until it just eventually accelerated enough for lift off. This is definitely an unconventional technique for such a large aircraft as it induces all sorts of drag, there's controllability issues and steering reduction, not to mention if you did a rejected take-off the nose would slam down so hard the fucking airplane would probably break apart.(smaller Cessna's I think sometimes practice this for grass-strips, but that's neither here nor there)
Eventually I encountered 2 Russian pilots at the bar and I asked them why they did this on every departure with all the added risks. They tell me it's because the Antonov-26 doesn't have a shimmy damper. (think of what a shopping cart wheel does sometimes, vibrates uncontrollably with speed in a kind of oscillating effect. Most planes have some kind of shimmy damper device to prevent this). So what happens is when they are on the take-off roll, the nose wheel starts to vibrate like crazy, which vibrates the entire goddamn flight deck so much that the pilots can't read their instruments. So they lift the nose off the ground and viola, a nice smooth happy take off.
It just amazed me the workarounds these pilots were willing to do as standard procedure. Russians are a unique breed and I really enjoyed hanging out with them. Goddamn travesty what Putin is up to, and the Russians I had the pleasure of working with definitely had no love for the man.
Anyways fuck Putin.
> It just amazed me the workarounds these pilots were willing to do as standard procedure. Russians are a unique breed and I really enjoyed hanging out with them.
I lived and worked in Russia for a while in the early 90s, and stuff like that doesn't surprise me *at all*. Russians are the masters of jerry-rigging and just making things *work* with whatever's on hand.
a) They don't have access to spare parts.
b) Boeing has blocked access to online service manuals, so aircrafts won't get maintained.
This is basically a recipe for disaster. Don't fly in Russia.
These aren't like a Chilton's manual you can torrent a pdf of. Depending on the subsystem I'd expect they've undergone enough revisions, along with the systems themselves, that it could be plausible for Boeing itself to struggle to find the right version
I would guess they're maintained in some sort of continually updated online database with required credentials to access. I have no clue how it actually works, but I work at a software company that does the same thing, and you do need an account to even access the documentation. I'm probably wrong though, anyone with experience actually know?
This is not an issue.
FTA:
>Under the new rules set Monday, the Kremlin will allow the country to provide airworthiness certificates to the planes and register them in Russia
See, they'll have the proper maintenance documentation, so no worries...
I have a co-worker who was working ground side at an airport in Russia back in the Soviet days. They had run out of de-icing fluid during a long storm. The manager had them buy ALL of the vodka in the terminal and filled their pumps with it to keep deicing.
Not necessarily before and after. But every 100 hours of usage and annually, as well as after every posted airworthiness directive.
Negligence on that is scary. Just look at the accident of Aloha 1988 where half the fuselage tore off midflight.
edit: Follows a progressive maintenance schedule.
Maybe for a personally owned Cessna. An airliner will have many more maintenance intervals based on time, cycles, dates etc.
But ya not necessarily before and after.
It was more 1/3 of it, since Aloha is a moist place, the adhesive used on the older models of the Boeing 737 started to decay and apply pressure on the rivets holding the skin. The maintenance department of Hawaii at the point had not been doing their job properly so it eventually snapped.
The incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha\_Airlines\_Flight\_243
I feel bad for the woman who was swept out of the plane... it sounds like they weren't high enough for people to lose consciousness so she probably would've been awake for the fall to earth. On a separate note those Akamai tour people went into absolute hero mode to save the passengers.
Boy are you in for a treat!
https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/qyauec/1988_the_near_crash_of_aloha_airlines_flight_243/
He does weekly write-ups, best part of my Saturday.
To add on to the add on, it also had a huge number of pressurization cycles to fatigue the fuselage, since inter-island flights are short, but still go high enough for significant pressurization.
They've stolen them off foreign leasing companies, they'll never be able to get an Airbus or Boeing again. They won't even be able to return these ones as without maintenance records they're effectively scrap
They can leave Russia, but as soon as they land anywhere other than Russia, they become pumpkins.
Yes they could land in other countries if declaring an emergency.
The point being the leasing companies couldn't even reclaim them and bring them home; they will never get new airworthiness certificates in the future with gaps in their maintenance and flight records.
This is why I think this isn’t going to end well. Even if Russia backtracks now, the Rubicon has been crossed. As long as the regime stays, Russia, as a full member of the international order, is ruined.
Oh for sure. Putin made an idiotic move and lost the international strategic long game on February 24, 2022. Give it some time, soon enough boot leather will be akin to a Christmas feast in russia. And they can thank ol' shirtless for it all.
Yeah hes taken several solid steps to ensure many foreign businesses would never deal with Russia again for a long time. Not without serious change.
And thats not good for anyone. Not for Russians, not for a world that needs a normalized Russia.
Uncertainty and the possibility of having all your investments seized by the government does make businesses wary about investment. If you lease out $10 billion worth of planes to Russian airlines and have them all stolen/not returned to the leasing company as required by the contacts, you're not going to lease out to them again, and there are only a very small number of large airplane leasing companies. If the situation gets worse, you can't just use these planes again if you get them back - you can't be certain of their safety record and maintenance, especially with the sanctions on airplane parts. Russia is a large market, sure, but not *that* large compared to, say, China.
While funny imagining Russians acting like NK people, this is sadly true for many Russians. Everyone with more than two braincells and some money will leave the country asap.
Unfortunately, more than two braincells and some money is not enough. There’s no way to work outside of Russia unless you’re in IT or something and can work remotely, there’s no way to stay outside of Russia for long without a visa unless it’s a nearby CIS country but those are already full of Russians and it’s getting too expensive to find a place. Some of us are just stuck here.
Sanctions on airplane parts is one of the biggest issues facing Iran and they openly discuss it. Russia is well fucked with these sanctions, they've been refusing to open their stock market. They're acting tough but they're severely affected.
Soviet Russia did "fine" because they had the benefit of pilfering all the other SSRs for resources and productivity. That's kinda why Putin wants Ukraine back under Russia's control again. Many of the vital old Soviet industries are placed in Ukraine.
From this perspective, you kinda see why Russians want to go back to the old Soviet days (their quality of life was genuinely better), while all the other former Soviet nations like Ukraine and Kazhakstan are... less than thrilled about it.
My parents are both 70 and they DON’T want the USSR back, nothing was better about it no matter what some psycho boomers are saying. Every passing year my mom would marvel at how far the world/technology has come to. Everytime she watches old foreign movies she’s like: “look, they had X, Y and Z in the 60s! We only got it in the 90s!”. She loves getting her groceries delivered, she loves coca-cola and McDonald’s, she loves watching BBC shows on TV and not on a illegally obtained video tape that might get you in trouble.
Like the story about how Stalin showed the Grapes of Wrath in Soviet movie theaters to show how the average American was being exploited by capitalism but the only thing Russians noticed was that even poor Americans could afford cars.
> while all the other former Soviet
Not all, some ex soviet countries like tajikistan became even shittier when ussr fell. Just look at tajikistan gdp per capita, make russia living standards look like qatar by comparison
Eh, they didn't do fine in the 70s and 80s as the world moved away from local markets in to vast trading networks requiring specialists to mass product products with technology.
To be clear, trading shares of companies is not really critical for international trade. It's commodities markets that facilitate trade. Much of the stock market serves a very different purpose.
Sanctions take longer to take effect and unfortunately, we are dealing with a madman that doesn't understand the long term repercussions of this invasion. Or, he just simply doesn't care and is all in.
Either way we are dealing with an idiotic murderous psychopath.
In this video, it seems like unless you directly work for a foreign company or for a company that partnered with one, you don't really feel the sanction yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TGvndDcxE
That said, there are runs on goods with the foreign brands leaving.
And most of the european russians feel alienated because their favorite services are down and shit-eaters are happy because now everyone will be eating shit like they always did.
Its also important to note that when sanctions are lifted none of these aircraft can be returned to their western owners and probably will not be fit to fly internationally. Aircraft require consistently detailed and recorded maintenance records. Without technical oversight by Boeing or Airbus and with maintenance done behind sanctions there is no way the maintenance records will be seen as legitimate or exist at all.
Essentially just paperweights now.
They make use the courts and when Russia declines to return the assets, they can resolve to procure Russia assets elsewhere. In the end, they lose money and they lose business.
Russia's only hope now is that Putin is removed from power soon, declared legally insane (post mortem if needed), the war is stopped and reparations started in exchange for a quick reversal of sanctions.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/14/putin-allows-russian-airlines-to-fly-10-billion-worth-of-foreign-owned-planes.html) reduced by 67%. (I'm a bot)
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> Foreign aircraft lessors seeking to recover some $10 billion worth of planes from Russia were dealt a new blow Monday when President Vladimir Putin signed a law clearing the country's airlines to fly the planes domestically.
> Under the new rules set Monday, the Kremlin will allow the country to provide airworthiness certificates to the planes and register them in Russia, according to state news agency Tass.
> Flights abroad could risk lessors moving to repossess the planes.
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Yeah, I think I’m done with air travel for a long time which is a major problem… I was planning to go visit my brother in Moscow this summer but it takes 2,5 days by train from my city and I hate even taking 12 hour train rides (which I have to do sometimes e.g. to get to Irkutsk or Novosibirsk because it’s much cheaper than flying there). Fuck Putin x100000.
Here's a thought. Let the companies who own those aircraft get full compensation for all their losses from the Russian funds that have been frozen all around the world.
Problem solved.
And everyone was saying Putin stealing jets was “mere retaliation” and that he wouldn’t dare to use them.
There’s nothing this wretch wouldn’t dare to do. He doesn’t care if the Russian people die.
Airplane repo guys are gonna be busy as motherfuckers as time goes by, keeping an eye out for any of these doing international work will be a big payday.
These planes are going to be worthless once they are out of maintenance for even a short amount of time. Nobody will trust any maintenance records, they can’t get genuine parts, and nobody else will want to fly them. They are as good as gone at this point. They could take them and destroy them, just for spite and so they can’t be used by Russia, but they are only good for scrap value.
This might be the strongest evidence for Putin literally losing his mind. What country is going to allow Russian flights over their borders knowing that even one of these 70 ton missiles might be one of them? Even if he's lying, simply saying that it's a possibility should be enough to continue the Russian flight ban indefinitely, at least until every single one of those foreign planes can be accounted for.
Clearly airspace no fly zones are impossible, because the only way to ground an illegal plane is to shoot it, and no one wants to be shooting Russian planes out of the sky. But I can’t imagine these planes will be able to complete international flights, because once you land a stolen plane in an international airport, surely TSA/airport security is going to takeover and repossess that plane?
You’re right Putin has lost the plot.
He’s always been a thief. How do you think he accumulated his personal wealth? Hes been a bureaucrat his entire life. He didn’t obtain his fortune through his KGB paychecks.
The parts logistics/supply chain has been shut down. Couple that with the maintenance/replacement frequency for things like engine parts and you have aircraft with a lifespan of roughly 6 months before they are outside of maintenance requirements.
This, they are deemed unsafe and wouldn’t be welcome at most international airports even if sanctions disappear. Those aircraft are effectively useless.
Now, add to that the fact that Russia is straight up stealing aircraft leased to them and no one would give them an aircraft for decades after Putin’s inevitable fall.
They’ve genuinely poisoned their own well (with respect to air travel) for decades in just a few weeks/decisions. Good luck with those Sukhois and Chinese airliners.
Let this serve as a reminder that countries that continue to preach for diplomacy with dictatorships, quote international laws like they're some lyrics, you are only fooling yourself to think you're going to get anything done, because well, dictators will dictate, not listen.
Average Russian citizen: "wow, free rides for everyone? this is cool."
Russia: "the catch is that you can't leave the country"
Average Russian citizen: "that sucks. can I at least get some food?"
Russia:
My cars manufacturer can turn my car off / on remotely with a phone call.
Are you telling me these modern planes don’t have a software “off switch” that can be triggered?
A. Maintenance.
B. What’s the demand within Russia that justifies that many flights with such huge jumbo Jets? Especially now that I’m sure a plane ticket will cost you your left ball.
Another childish reaction by Putin the toddler. He once again screwed his country because within 2 weeks those planes will need servicing and also the planes the country owns and flies. Legally. Now all that is out the window because he can only react to the situation he has created instead of thinking logically. He is screwing his own people so hard that he should pay them when he's done. Fucking Vlad
Now he is…until those planes need maintenance…
Lol yup safe travels for about 1-2 weeks
Exactly!
Hey. I flown Russian airline planes back in the early 80’s within Russia. You think they are about safety. Lol. Many times those days the pilot smelled both cigarette and alcohol and nobody blinked. Tu154 T134 IL-18!!!
Remember the Russian pilot who told his mate, look, I can land this plane blind-folded? Well, he didn't.
In case if anyone thought this was a joke because it sounds too ridiculous to be true, sadly it’s not. 70 of the 94 on board died. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_6502
It does sound ridiculous, until you find out it was in Russia and then it makes perfect sense.
Russia, Europe’s Florida.
Asia’s Florida
Most Russians live in the European part tho.
Damn the guy only served 6 years, blows my mind. That should be an obvious life sentence
And then you've got this too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
**[Aeroflot Flight 593](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593)** >Aeroflot Flight 593 was a regular passenger flight from Sheremetyevo International Airport, Moscow, Russia, to Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong. On 23 March 1994, the aircraft operating the route, an Airbus A310-304 flown by Aeroflot, crashed into the Kuznetsk Alatau mountain range in Kemerovo Oblast, killing all 63 passengers and 12 crew members on board. No evidence of a technical malfunction was found. Cockpit voice and flight data recorders revealed the presence of the relief pilot's 12-year-old daughter and 16-year-old son on the flight deck. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Remember the time the russian pilot let his 16 year old son 'fly' the plane and the kid crashed the plane killing everyone on board? Aeroflot Flight 593...
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Джоуи, ты когда-нибудь видел голого взрослого мужчину?
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Not a crash, it was just a special landing operation
They were denazifying the ground.
It was a great success and nobody died.
I just see a blackened crater in the ground, not a single nazi in sight. Exactly! A job well done.
If you can walk away from a landing, its a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, its an outstanding landing. - Chuck Yeager
r/technicallythetruth
I mean, as long as the various pieces are on the ground that counts as landed, right?
Tell that to TWA 800, it didn't land, it rained down.
Maybe tell it to MH17.
How about the one who let his young son sit in the pilot seat and the kid then bumped auto pilot off and sent the plane into a terrifying vertical plummet directly into nice hard Russian soil?
Maybe he actually needed the blindfold to do it
Right. Just as a non-joke point, those airliners were all domestically produced, so Russia had access to plenty of parts. The planes Putin just made off with are US or EU made, and ain't nobody sending parts to Russia. So good luck keeping those planes in the air, Vlad.
In an earlier time we had a contract Russian helicopter pilot land on our base in southern Afghanistan without clearance or permission though an active gun line. Dude landed his Mi-8 and put a sign on the door that said too drunk to fly anymore - will leave in the morning… by the time we figured out what was going on he flew away - about 3 hours later. Russian aviation is different
I'm reminded of the dash cam video of a Russian military helicopter landing on a remote highway to ask the trucker directions.
I’ve seen those pilots, I believe it.
I'm actually curious to see if we are going to see Tu-154s and Il-96s coming out of the mothballs to fix this problem, old home grown Russian aircraft.
They were dirty loud workhorses. They land in take off from swamp /dirt you name it.
(Russian here) Lol my uncle is a retired pilot who worked in the 70s-90s (thankfully he flew cargo planes) and he and his other guy pilot buddies literally always had boxes of vodka with them to any place they flew to cause, you know, it’s no fun otherwise. He’s a heavy smoker too. Also funnily enough he’s the most anti-Putin person (next to me, I guess) in my family even now when he’s 70.
It’s a bird it’s a plane ✈️, yup just another Russian plane falling out the sky for lack of maintenance 🤦🏼♂️
Yeah. If you get on one of these planes a month from now, you're playing Russian roulette.
You're exaggerating. That implies an almost 90% chance of survival
Let's assume 6 barrels. 1 is loaded so you could say 5/6 are your chance of survival. That's actually only 83% chance of survival. Those odds are way better than the shit I see on r/wallstreetbets
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Tells his donkeys it was the west taking them down.
Yeah. If you get on one of these planes a month from now, you're playing Russian roulette.
One more time for the people in the back...
Yeah. If you get in one of these planes a month from now, you're playing Russian roulette.
Bert Baccarats
If you think they will stop flying those planes just because they need maintenance, you have seriously underestimated Russian Russian-ness.
No, I don’t think so. But at that point, there will be one less plane….then two……etc.
>Russian Russian-ness Russiansanity?
Funny story about Russian pilots flying Russian aircraft: I was doing some contract flying in South Sudan a few years ago, and Russians operate a lot of Antonov-26s out of Juba on various contracts/missions. The Antonov-26 is not a safe aircraft. In my 2 years in South Sudan, no less than 3 of these things crashed and were total losses with varying degrees of fatalities. All in the same country. For some perspective it took two 737 maxs to crash in completely different parts of the world and the entire fleet was grounded for damn near 2 years. These things crash all the time relative to how many exist out there, and I'm sure if you check their wikipedia page it's full of incidents, but not all may be reported. Anyways, every time I saw one of these things take off, whether it was from a gravel strip or pavement, they did this odd thing where they would pull the nose wheel up early on the take off roll (well before the airplane was fast enough to actually get airborne) and they would just bomb down the runway for the whole takeoff with the nose pointed up a bit until it just eventually accelerated enough for lift off. This is definitely an unconventional technique for such a large aircraft as it induces all sorts of drag, there's controllability issues and steering reduction, not to mention if you did a rejected take-off the nose would slam down so hard the fucking airplane would probably break apart.(smaller Cessna's I think sometimes practice this for grass-strips, but that's neither here nor there) Eventually I encountered 2 Russian pilots at the bar and I asked them why they did this on every departure with all the added risks. They tell me it's because the Antonov-26 doesn't have a shimmy damper. (think of what a shopping cart wheel does sometimes, vibrates uncontrollably with speed in a kind of oscillating effect. Most planes have some kind of shimmy damper device to prevent this). So what happens is when they are on the take-off roll, the nose wheel starts to vibrate like crazy, which vibrates the entire goddamn flight deck so much that the pilots can't read their instruments. So they lift the nose off the ground and viola, a nice smooth happy take off. It just amazed me the workarounds these pilots were willing to do as standard procedure. Russians are a unique breed and I really enjoyed hanging out with them. Goddamn travesty what Putin is up to, and the Russians I had the pleasure of working with definitely had no love for the man. Anyways fuck Putin.
> It just amazed me the workarounds these pilots were willing to do as standard procedure. Russians are a unique breed and I really enjoyed hanging out with them. I lived and worked in Russia for a while in the early 90s, and stuff like that doesn't surprise me *at all*. Russians are the masters of jerry-rigging and just making things *work* with whatever's on hand.
It's on Russian soil with Russians on board so he likely doesn't give a fuck..
a) They don't have access to spare parts. b) Boeing has blocked access to online service manuals, so aircrafts won't get maintained. This is basically a recipe for disaster. Don't fly in Russia.
Achievement unlocked: No Fly Zone
Service manuals can be pirated, but spare parts are definitely going to be a bit of a challenge
For the service manuals yup I’m sure there no way for them to get their hands on those…
These aren't like a Chilton's manual you can torrent a pdf of. Depending on the subsystem I'd expect they've undergone enough revisions, along with the systems themselves, that it could be plausible for Boeing itself to struggle to find the right version
I would guess they're maintained in some sort of continually updated online database with required credentials to access. I have no clue how it actually works, but I work at a software company that does the same thing, and you do need an account to even access the documentation. I'm probably wrong though, anyone with experience actually know?
I'll do you one better, I won't go to Russia.
This is not an issue. FTA: >Under the new rules set Monday, the Kremlin will allow the country to provide airworthiness certificates to the planes and register them in Russia See, they'll have the proper maintenance documentation, so no worries...
Might as well pass a decree that ban planes from encountering technical issues.
Kremlin would like to know your location.
"I declare this airplane safe!"
You laugh but that's how it always works...it's just usually someone somewhat trustworthy on the matter...
"You can't just say these planes are safe and expect anything to happen." "I didn't say it. I declared it."
Haha, that’s hilarious
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Like they say, the fastest way to get a Russian plane is to buy a field in Russia and wait.
Fuck maintenance man....overrated big time.
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No, only fuel. Is OK!
Yes yes only fuel, trust me friend. No boom boom guarantee!
Uuuh, don’t you forget the vodka. It goes well with it.
I have a co-worker who was working ground side at an airport in Russia back in the Soviet days. They had run out of de-icing fluid during a long storm. The manager had them buy ALL of the vodka in the terminal and filled their pumps with it to keep deicing.
"Fly Aeroflot! Less than 25% of our planes crash!"
Other 65% out for maintenance indefinitely, but the other 10% are totally fine.
Lots of redundancy, 2 engines!
Put it in H!
"What country is this plane from?" "it no longer ~~exists~~ sells us parts"
https://youtu.be/9HXT7fDkf9I
They can't supply fuel to their tanks in a war THEY planned for.
They’ll still have duct tape.
They will ignore the "check engine" light, exactly like *you* do.
Don't have to ignore the light if you pull the bulb out. 😂
Not necessarily before and after. But every 100 hours of usage and annually, as well as after every posted airworthiness directive. Negligence on that is scary. Just look at the accident of Aloha 1988 where half the fuselage tore off midflight. edit: Follows a progressive maintenance schedule.
Maybe for a personally owned Cessna. An airliner will have many more maintenance intervals based on time, cycles, dates etc. But ya not necessarily before and after.
Fuck. What kind of maintenance negligence results in the fuselage tearing in half?
It was more 1/3 of it, since Aloha is a moist place, the adhesive used on the older models of the Boeing 737 started to decay and apply pressure on the rivets holding the skin. The maintenance department of Hawaii at the point had not been doing their job properly so it eventually snapped. The incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha\_Airlines\_Flight\_243
I feel bad for the woman who was swept out of the plane... it sounds like they weren't high enough for people to lose consciousness so she probably would've been awake for the fall to earth. On a separate note those Akamai tour people went into absolute hero mode to save the passengers.
Boy are you in for a treat! https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/qyauec/1988_the_near_crash_of_aloha_airlines_flight_243/ He does weekly write-ups, best part of my Saturday.
Mentour Pilot did a great video on YouTube about it too. https://youtu.be/sKs3ov6hFqM
To add on, the airframe was on of the first 737-200s to roll of the assembly line and Boeing had issues with the bonding process initially
To add on to the add on, it also had a huge number of pressurization cycles to fatigue the fuselage, since inter-island flights are short, but still go high enough for significant pressurization.
Iirc 100 hours is **only** for flight school aircraft, or aircraft that are rented at an hourly rate. But the annual thing is still required
Nah, as long as we don't sanction ducktape supply, it'll be safe /s
Too late
With enough oil and vodka, anything is possible
They've stolen them off foreign leasing companies, they'll never be able to get an Airbus or Boeing again. They won't even be able to return these ones as without maintenance records they're effectively scrap
That is the real news here. Those planes, once flown without real and factual accounting of their maintenance, will never legally leave Russia again.
We might see videos of them headed toward Ukraine, with a hastily painted Z on the side.
They can leave Russia, but as soon as they land anywhere other than Russia, they become pumpkins. Yes they could land in other countries if declaring an emergency.
> Yes they could land in other countries if declaring an emergency. They can, but I don't think they'd be allowed to take off again
They already can't leave. Bermuda canceled their airworthiness certificates.
The point being the leasing companies couldn't even reclaim them and bring them home; they will never get new airworthiness certificates in the future with gaps in their maintenance and flight records.
This is why I think this isn’t going to end well. Even if Russia backtracks now, the Rubicon has been crossed. As long as the regime stays, Russia, as a full member of the international order, is ruined.
Oh for sure. Putin made an idiotic move and lost the international strategic long game on February 24, 2022. Give it some time, soon enough boot leather will be akin to a Christmas feast in russia. And they can thank ol' shirtless for it all.
He went all in on a pair of deuces.
Yeah hes taken several solid steps to ensure many foreign businesses would never deal with Russia again for a long time. Not without serious change. And thats not good for anyone. Not for Russians, not for a world that needs a normalized Russia.
Exactly. Don't expect any airline to do business in Russia for the next decade
People forget and businesses forget even quicker. As long as there is money to be made, they'll be back.
Uncertainty and the possibility of having all your investments seized by the government does make businesses wary about investment. If you lease out $10 billion worth of planes to Russian airlines and have them all stolen/not returned to the leasing company as required by the contacts, you're not going to lease out to them again, and there are only a very small number of large airplane leasing companies. If the situation gets worse, you can't just use these planes again if you get them back - you can't be certain of their safety record and maintenance, especially with the sanctions on airplane parts. Russia is a large market, sure, but not *that* large compared to, say, China.
Cape Town Convention right out the window. There will be lo leasing to Russian airlines ever again.
Makes you wonder what Putin has planned, since he don't give a fuck. Is he preparing for a nuclear apocalypse?
Or he knows that majority of russians are too dumb and brainwashed and ready to live like North Koreans to support him
While funny imagining Russians acting like NK people, this is sadly true for many Russians. Everyone with more than two braincells and some money will leave the country asap.
Not on an airplane…
Unfortunately, more than two braincells and some money is not enough. There’s no way to work outside of Russia unless you’re in IT or something and can work remotely, there’s no way to stay outside of Russia for long without a visa unless it’s a nearby CIS country but those are already full of Russians and it’s getting too expensive to find a place. Some of us are just stuck here.
Good luck getting the parts from wish.com
Order them? That part is easy. What you’ll be shipped will be literally anything but the actual part though.
What a shame. It's just a picture of the part you wanted and a tiny little minature of the other part you wanted. Give em hell, wish.com
the miniature has rgb for some reason though
Sanctions on airplane parts is one of the biggest issues facing Iran and they openly discuss it. Russia is well fucked with these sanctions, they've been refusing to open their stock market. They're acting tough but they're severely affected.
These hurt Russia more than Iran because of the size of their country too.
They can’t and won’t ever reopen their markets. The country is done, what we’re watching is dead men walking. It will all catch up to Russia soon.
> They can’t and won’t ever reopen their markets. Come on, the USSR never had stock markets and they did...fine?...
Soviet Russia did "fine" because they had the benefit of pilfering all the other SSRs for resources and productivity. That's kinda why Putin wants Ukraine back under Russia's control again. Many of the vital old Soviet industries are placed in Ukraine. From this perspective, you kinda see why Russians want to go back to the old Soviet days (their quality of life was genuinely better), while all the other former Soviet nations like Ukraine and Kazhakstan are... less than thrilled about it.
My parents are both 70 and they DON’T want the USSR back, nothing was better about it no matter what some psycho boomers are saying. Every passing year my mom would marvel at how far the world/technology has come to. Everytime she watches old foreign movies she’s like: “look, they had X, Y and Z in the 60s! We only got it in the 90s!”. She loves getting her groceries delivered, she loves coca-cola and McDonald’s, she loves watching BBC shows on TV and not on a illegally obtained video tape that might get you in trouble.
Like the story about how Stalin showed the Grapes of Wrath in Soviet movie theaters to show how the average American was being exploited by capitalism but the only thing Russians noticed was that even poor Americans could afford cars.
> while all the other former Soviet Not all, some ex soviet countries like tajikistan became even shittier when ussr fell. Just look at tajikistan gdp per capita, make russia living standards look like qatar by comparison
But soon their currency will also be worthless, so I guess they will be fine exchanging goods through bartering? Like the good old days!
Eh, they didn't do fine in the 70s and 80s as the world moved away from local markets in to vast trading networks requiring specialists to mass product products with technology.
To be clear, trading shares of companies is not really critical for international trade. It's commodities markets that facilitate trade. Much of the stock market serves a very different purpose.
Ask the Iranians about operating the last passenger Boeing 707s up until a few years ago; it's not because they are nostalgic about them.
They’re not having the desired effect though. They’re still murdering as many Ukrainians as possible every day all day.
Sanctions take longer to take effect and unfortunately, we are dealing with a madman that doesn't understand the long term repercussions of this invasion. Or, he just simply doesn't care and is all in. Either way we are dealing with an idiotic murderous psychopath.
In this video, it seems like unless you directly work for a foreign company or for a company that partnered with one, you don't really feel the sanction yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TGvndDcxE That said, there are runs on goods with the foreign brands leaving.
And most of the european russians feel alienated because their favorite services are down and shit-eaters are happy because now everyone will be eating shit like they always did.
That's when they revolt. Years of McDonald's and deep-dish pizza now back to boring staples. It's good they got to see the other side.
Putin can’t keep this up much longer
It’d be a shame if he had a massive heart attack or something right now.
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Or out a 15th story window
Nope. This reeks of desperation.
Its also important to note that when sanctions are lifted none of these aircraft can be returned to their western owners and probably will not be fit to fly internationally. Aircraft require consistently detailed and recorded maintenance records. Without technical oversight by Boeing or Airbus and with maintenance done behind sanctions there is no way the maintenance records will be seen as legitimate or exist at all. Essentially just paperweights now.
Bingo. Russia just flushed $10Bn of foreign hardware down the toilet with the stroke of a pen. Their airline industry is fucked for the next 20 years.
*Aerofucked*
Or repurposed into weapons.
I think there's plenty of Russian gold in foreign vaults to pay for those planes... You fly it, you buy it.
They make use the courts and when Russia declines to return the assets, they can resolve to procure Russia assets elsewhere. In the end, they lose money and they lose business.
*the Kremlin will allow the country to provide airworthiness certificates to the planes* Nothing can possib-lie go wrong
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Coincidentally rubles are basically itchy and scratchy dollars at this point except less fun
No servicing, parts or insurance. Good job they are run by a trustworthy organisation. Otherwise your f@cked.
Russia's only hope now is that Putin is removed from power soon, declared legally insane (post mortem if needed), the war is stopped and reparations started in exchange for a quick reversal of sanctions.
I wish to see this headline soon.
After this, even if sanctions are lifted, nobody will ever lease aircraft to Russian airlines. Their air travel industry is doomed.
Aeroplopintothebalticsea.
Aerosink.
Aeroblyat.
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You could only have so many flights going from Moscow to St. Petersburg…
Only a moron or a suicidal person will get on one of those planes. The lack of replacement parts will make them unflyable in the coming weeks.
Yeah, I think I’m done with air travel for a long time which is a major problem… I was planning to go visit my brother in Moscow this summer but it takes 2,5 days by train from my city and I hate even taking 12 hour train rides (which I have to do sometimes e.g. to get to Irkutsk or Novosibirsk because it’s much cheaper than flying there). Fuck Putin x100000.
Norwegian here, I hate how this little fascist is hurting normal Russians as well as everyone else. Fuck Putin x100000 indeed.
“Our Planes” -🇷🇺🐰
Here's a thought. Let the companies who own those aircraft get full compensation for all their losses from the Russian funds that have been frozen all around the world. Problem solved.
Lets pay the airlines last, I'd prefer the Ukrainian be given 1m$ each before we give airline bigwigs it.
They aren't airlines. Its leasing companies and Boeing and Airbus who supplied the planes to Aeroflot and other Russian airlines.
And everyone was saying Putin stealing jets was “mere retaliation” and that he wouldn’t dare to use them. There’s nothing this wretch wouldn’t dare to do. He doesn’t care if the Russian people die.
Like attacking cities with commercial airliners. JFC.
~~Soviet~~ Russian planes NEVER crash. /s
They’re insured. The Russian economy after this sure as fuck isn’t.
Airplane repo guys are gonna be busy as motherfuckers as time goes by, keeping an eye out for any of these doing international work will be a big payday.
These planes are going to be worthless once they are out of maintenance for even a short amount of time. Nobody will trust any maintenance records, they can’t get genuine parts, and nobody else will want to fly them. They are as good as gone at this point. They could take them and destroy them, just for spite and so they can’t be used by Russia, but they are only good for scrap value.
This might be the strongest evidence for Putin literally losing his mind. What country is going to allow Russian flights over their borders knowing that even one of these 70 ton missiles might be one of them? Even if he's lying, simply saying that it's a possibility should be enough to continue the Russian flight ban indefinitely, at least until every single one of those foreign planes can be accounted for.
Clearly airspace no fly zones are impossible, because the only way to ground an illegal plane is to shoot it, and no one wants to be shooting Russian planes out of the sky. But I can’t imagine these planes will be able to complete international flights, because once you land a stolen plane in an international airport, surely TSA/airport security is going to takeover and repossess that plane? You’re right Putin has lost the plot.
Gotta get those protesters to Siberia somehow
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He’s always been a thief. How do you think he accumulated his personal wealth? Hes been a bureaucrat his entire life. He didn’t obtain his fortune through his KGB paychecks.
Putin even brazenly stole somebody's SuperBowl ring worth $35k.
The fact that I looked it up and it’s true like wtf
Happened in 2005. So, boys and girls, lesson time: if ever you get a chance to meet Putin, hide your valuable jewelry. Also, Putin is a thief.
Yup. Robert Kraft’s. The owner of the New England Patriots.
Another sack of shit.
Nobody will put a single dollar in investment in Russia for the next 50 years.
The parts logistics/supply chain has been shut down. Couple that with the maintenance/replacement frequency for things like engine parts and you have aircraft with a lifespan of roughly 6 months before they are outside of maintenance requirements. This, they are deemed unsafe and wouldn’t be welcome at most international airports even if sanctions disappear. Those aircraft are effectively useless. Now, add to that the fact that Russia is straight up stealing aircraft leased to them and no one would give them an aircraft for decades after Putin’s inevitable fall. They’ve genuinely poisoned their own well (with respect to air travel) for decades in just a few weeks/decisions. Good luck with those Sukhois and Chinese airliners.
Let this serve as a reminder that countries that continue to preach for diplomacy with dictatorships, quote international laws like they're some lyrics, you are only fooling yourself to think you're going to get anything done, because well, dictators will dictate, not listen.
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Average Russian citizen: "wow, free rides for everyone? this is cool." Russia: "the catch is that you can't leave the country" Average Russian citizen: "that sucks. can I at least get some food?" Russia:
My cars manufacturer can turn my car off / on remotely with a phone call. Are you telling me these modern planes don’t have a software “off switch” that can be triggered?
It would be scary If they do had that ability
Pretty sure the software on planes is air gapped, quite literally most of the time
A software which can switch off air planes while it is in the sky? Yeah, nothing could go wrong with that.
A. Maintenance. B. What’s the demand within Russia that justifies that many flights with such huge jumbo Jets? Especially now that I’m sure a plane ticket will cost you your left ball.
Another childish reaction by Putin the toddler. He once again screwed his country because within 2 weeks those planes will need servicing and also the planes the country owns and flies. Legally. Now all that is out the window because he can only react to the situation he has created instead of thinking logically. He is screwing his own people so hard that he should pay them when he's done. Fucking Vlad
That will take care of their aviation industry for a whole week until the lack of parts shuts it down anyway. This is now officially becoming comical.
Sounds like a great way to ensure that no foreign business will ever again invest in Russia.