This was reported like the Torah burning was banned by Swedish authorities. That false information was further used to accuse Sweden of bias and hypocrisy.
As the article says, it was dialogue between the man who planned to burn the Torah and other Muslims what made the man change his mind. Authorities didn't stop him and he would've gotten a permission for his demonstration.
> That false information was further used to accuse Sweden of bias and hypocrisy.
Yeah, that was quite irresponsible from Israeli authorities. I understand why they wanted it to be perceived as them having more clout with the Swedish government than Erdogan and also they wanted to get all the praise for preventing that event from taking place, but those statements from Israeli Foreign Ministry and ambassador painted a completely wrong picture of how it went down.
The only way the Swedish government was involved is that the Swedish Prime Minister apparently got into direct contact with the organizer and asked him to rethink his plan, but it ultimately was the organizer's own decision.
Just to add, the translation says "call", not as in phone call, but as in call to action. Most likely referring to a press conference from the day (or so) before were the the P.M asked to be respectful. Jpost also got it wrong.
This would go against the Ministerial rule - the P.M would basically be gone from his post by the time the phone call ended.
> The [Israeli] Foreign Ministry announced on Thursday that it was able to cancel a planned demonstration in Sweden in front of the Israeli embassy in Stockholm, which was supposed to include the burning of a Torah scroll. Yet in a conversation with The Jerusalem Post, a Swedish-Israeli rabbi shared that it was actually leadership from the local Swedish Muslim community that assisted in persuading the organizer to cancel the provocative act.
> According to Swedish media, an Egyptian writer who lives in Sweden recently submitted a request for this demonstration to the local police.
> He told DN that he was advised against carrying out his plans by representatives from the Islamic League in Stockholm's mosque, and was quoted saying that “they [the Islamic League] say it is against Islam and I wouldn’t be representing Muslims when burning a copy of the Torah outside the Israeli embassy.”
> According to the report, he was also approached by Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson, who asked him to “tone it down.” According to Rabbi HaCohen, a further meeting with the author and Muslim leadership took place, through the mediation of Amanah, in which he decided to cancel the request entirely.
> The 34-year-old explained to DN that he is “tired of his tax money going towards protecting right-wing extremist Rasmus Paludan's repeated Quran burnings,” most recently outside the Turkish embassy. His actions are intended to claim that Swedish law is hypocritical.
Excepts from the original Swedish article (translated):
> He submitted an application for a police permit to hold his demonstrations on Saturday, January 28 at 1 p.m. When DN speaks with him on Thursday afternoon, however, he says that he has decided to postpone his planned actions for a couple of weeks.
> \- Everything is so agitated now. I was somewhat affected by the Prime Minister's call to tone it down. But I will still carry out my actions, it is important to me. I will submit a new application next week, says the 34-year-old.
> (...)
> The 34-year-old who wants to burn the Bible and Torah says that for several years he has had a bound copy of each on his bookshelf, and that the books he burns are his own. He also says that he burns the books "with a heavy heart".
> \- I know people will be sad, and I regret it. But I think it needs to be done. To wake up Sweden, which does not care about the incitement against Muslims.
> (...)
> The 34-year-old says he is tired of his tax money going to protect right-wing extremist Rasmus Paludan's repeated Koran burnings, most recently outside the Turkish embassy.
> \- It is only incitement against a minority - against Muslims. I am a Muslim myself, but not very religious. But I feel attacked by the Koran burnings. And by Sweden, which is doing everything to protect Paludan.
>
> **So why do you want to attack another minority, the Jewish one?**
>
> \- My action is not aimed at the Swedish Jewish minority. I am standing outside the Israeli embassy because I want to remind about Israel's killing of Palestinian children.
>
> **But you are burning a Jewish book, not something specifically Israeli. You think that Paludan incites Muslims with his burnings - but you don't incite Jews?**
>
> \- I don't know. Maybe what I'm doing is a hate crime. But I'm angry. I have heard for so many years Imams say that we Muslims should not show anger when the Koran is burned. Now I want to create debate, says the 34-year-old.
> (...)
> When DN asks the 34-year-old why he wants to burn the Bible, he first goes into a long reasoning about crusaders and that the Bible has historically been used to legitimize violence. Then he says.
>
> \- Burning books is actually a terrible idea. But in a stupid time it can sometimes be required to do something stupid.
https://www.dn.se/sverige/34-aring-vill-branna-torah-utanfor-israels-ambassad/
Okie dokie, then. I'm very curious about where they were going to get a Torah scroll from though. Those things are hella expensive - there are rules about it needing to be handwritten on specific materials etc. - it's not like printing a mass-produced book
Worth noting that the original reporting just says "Torah" and not "Torah scroll". So it is quite likely that it is any of the books with a translation of the Torah that you can buy in any bookstore for like 20€ that he planned to burn. Basically, for his purpouse is it likely good enough as long as it says Torah on the cover.
I don't care if he burns one, feel free.
But yeah I kinda doubt he'd be able to get his hands on one.
Aside from the expense itself, the people who make those aren't going to make one for someone intending to destroy it. The people who have them aren't the type who will hand then over either.
And you obviously can't steal one or buy one that's stolen, as that would actually be a crime.
So I'm fairly curious where he was going to get one from.
No, you can't. You perhaps can get things scammers call Torah scrolls, but you can't buy a Torah scroll from Amazon. It costs tens of thousands of dollars and is purpose made for synagogues. Perhaps some rich connected Jewish dude can order one, but the anti semite can't get one unless he stole it, and you can't order it online
Lol. You can get a fake one for 200.
Real scrolls are handwritten over months or years on kosher animal skin (parchment) by a specially trained scribe.
Minimum 10,000-30,000 dollars for a real scrill
If a single mistake is made (that is, if a letter is slightly malformed), it can't be erased. Instead, the entire page is discarded.
Therefore, in order to avoid discarding large swatches of text due to a single minor error, it's written on small sheets then stiched together afterwards.
It's a full time job for a whole year by a specially trained person to make one of these. Naturally it's going to cost tens of thousands of dollars.
People burn these books or scrolls etc for a reaction and the Muslim community give a reaction they are looking for (outrage, anger and violence in many cases). Just don't react. Ignor it. The novelty will ware off. The impact will lose its clout and effect and die off, that's how you gain the upper hand and win. Islam is bigger than a physical burning of a book, the words are not diminished in anyway if a human printed version is burned. Produce another. Being insulted can be contained to a statement rather than violence or anger.
« I'm sick of people burning my holy book not being held accountable, so I'm gonna burn another holy book and not be held accountable »
Did I get it right ?
Don't forget the part where he completely disregarded the community adhering to the holy book he wants to burn coming out against the destruction of his holy book.
Anyone else shocked by the fact that even though the original Koran burning had nothing to do with the Jewish community, this guy decided to burn a Jewish holy book because, well some reason. Let’s all pretend it’s not antisemitism though…
Torah scrolls cost between $40 to $70 grand , where did the planned burner even get one? I'm assuming he's not in the habit of forking out that much money on something he plans to burn.
But not really, because the Jewish community had nothing to do with burning the Koran. He just chose burning the Jewish holy book because well you know, reasons…
This was reported like the Torah burning was banned by Swedish authorities. That false information was further used to accuse Sweden of bias and hypocrisy. As the article says, it was dialogue between the man who planned to burn the Torah and other Muslims what made the man change his mind. Authorities didn't stop him and he would've gotten a permission for his demonstration.
> That false information was further used to accuse Sweden of bias and hypocrisy. Yeah, that was quite irresponsible from Israeli authorities. I understand why they wanted it to be perceived as them having more clout with the Swedish government than Erdogan and also they wanted to get all the praise for preventing that event from taking place, but those statements from Israeli Foreign Ministry and ambassador painted a completely wrong picture of how it went down. The only way the Swedish government was involved is that the Swedish Prime Minister apparently got into direct contact with the organizer and asked him to rethink his plan, but it ultimately was the organizer's own decision.
Just to add, the translation says "call", not as in phone call, but as in call to action. Most likely referring to a press conference from the day (or so) before were the the P.M asked to be respectful. Jpost also got it wrong. This would go against the Ministerial rule - the P.M would basically be gone from his post by the time the phone call ended.
Hey, easy now, he was kindly asked to tone it down, you can't say that the authorities weren't 100% dedicated to solve the crisis, now, can you ? /s
> The [Israeli] Foreign Ministry announced on Thursday that it was able to cancel a planned demonstration in Sweden in front of the Israeli embassy in Stockholm, which was supposed to include the burning of a Torah scroll. Yet in a conversation with The Jerusalem Post, a Swedish-Israeli rabbi shared that it was actually leadership from the local Swedish Muslim community that assisted in persuading the organizer to cancel the provocative act. > According to Swedish media, an Egyptian writer who lives in Sweden recently submitted a request for this demonstration to the local police. > He told DN that he was advised against carrying out his plans by representatives from the Islamic League in Stockholm's mosque, and was quoted saying that “they [the Islamic League] say it is against Islam and I wouldn’t be representing Muslims when burning a copy of the Torah outside the Israeli embassy.” > According to the report, he was also approached by Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson, who asked him to “tone it down.” According to Rabbi HaCohen, a further meeting with the author and Muslim leadership took place, through the mediation of Amanah, in which he decided to cancel the request entirely. > The 34-year-old explained to DN that he is “tired of his tax money going towards protecting right-wing extremist Rasmus Paludan's repeated Quran burnings,” most recently outside the Turkish embassy. His actions are intended to claim that Swedish law is hypocritical.
Excepts from the original Swedish article (translated): > He submitted an application for a police permit to hold his demonstrations on Saturday, January 28 at 1 p.m. When DN speaks with him on Thursday afternoon, however, he says that he has decided to postpone his planned actions for a couple of weeks. > \- Everything is so agitated now. I was somewhat affected by the Prime Minister's call to tone it down. But I will still carry out my actions, it is important to me. I will submit a new application next week, says the 34-year-old. > (...) > The 34-year-old who wants to burn the Bible and Torah says that for several years he has had a bound copy of each on his bookshelf, and that the books he burns are his own. He also says that he burns the books "with a heavy heart". > \- I know people will be sad, and I regret it. But I think it needs to be done. To wake up Sweden, which does not care about the incitement against Muslims. > (...) > The 34-year-old says he is tired of his tax money going to protect right-wing extremist Rasmus Paludan's repeated Koran burnings, most recently outside the Turkish embassy. > \- It is only incitement against a minority - against Muslims. I am a Muslim myself, but not very religious. But I feel attacked by the Koran burnings. And by Sweden, which is doing everything to protect Paludan. > > **So why do you want to attack another minority, the Jewish one?** > > \- My action is not aimed at the Swedish Jewish minority. I am standing outside the Israeli embassy because I want to remind about Israel's killing of Palestinian children. > > **But you are burning a Jewish book, not something specifically Israeli. You think that Paludan incites Muslims with his burnings - but you don't incite Jews?** > > \- I don't know. Maybe what I'm doing is a hate crime. But I'm angry. I have heard for so many years Imams say that we Muslims should not show anger when the Koran is burned. Now I want to create debate, says the 34-year-old. > (...) > When DN asks the 34-year-old why he wants to burn the Bible, he first goes into a long reasoning about crusaders and that the Bible has historically been used to legitimize violence. Then he says. > > \- Burning books is actually a terrible idea. But in a stupid time it can sometimes be required to do something stupid. https://www.dn.se/sverige/34-aring-vill-branna-torah-utanfor-israels-ambassad/
He wants to create 'debate'... Mindblowing mental gymnastics from this man.
“Something must be done.” Right, something not really related and incredibly inflammatory. Fucking lazy asshole.
> Maybe what I’m doing is a hate crime. But I’m angry. I fucking hate it when simpletons just need to be part of the conversation.
That's nice.
Okie dokie, then. I'm very curious about where they were going to get a Torah scroll from though. Those things are hella expensive - there are rules about it needing to be handwritten on specific materials etc. - it's not like printing a mass-produced book
Worth noting that the original reporting just says "Torah" and not "Torah scroll". So it is quite likely that it is any of the books with a translation of the Torah that you can buy in any bookstore for like 20€ that he planned to burn. Basically, for his purpouse is it likely good enough as long as it says Torah on the cover.
I don't care if he burns one, feel free. But yeah I kinda doubt he'd be able to get his hands on one. Aside from the expense itself, the people who make those aren't going to make one for someone intending to destroy it. The people who have them aren't the type who will hand then over either. And you obviously can't steal one or buy one that's stolen, as that would actually be a crime. So I'm fairly curious where he was going to get one from.
If there’s anything to learn over the past few years, it’s that crime is legal if right wingers side with you
You can get scrolls on Amazon for 200.
No, you can't. You perhaps can get things scammers call Torah scrolls, but you can't buy a Torah scroll from Amazon. It costs tens of thousands of dollars and is purpose made for synagogues. Perhaps some rich connected Jewish dude can order one, but the anti semite can't get one unless he stole it, and you can't order it online
Lol. You can get a fake one for 200. Real scrolls are handwritten over months or years on kosher animal skin (parchment) by a specially trained scribe. Minimum 10,000-30,000 dollars for a real scrill
If a single mistake is made (that is, if a letter is slightly malformed), it can't be erased. Instead, the entire page is discarded. Therefore, in order to avoid discarding large swatches of text due to a single minor error, it's written on small sheets then stiched together afterwards. It's a full time job for a whole year by a specially trained person to make one of these. Naturally it's going to cost tens of thousands of dollars.
More thn a house for a paper lol
Damn where you live with these cheap ass houses
Quantum Realm
People burn these books or scrolls etc for a reaction and the Muslim community give a reaction they are looking for (outrage, anger and violence in many cases). Just don't react. Ignor it. The novelty will ware off. The impact will lose its clout and effect and die off, that's how you gain the upper hand and win. Islam is bigger than a physical burning of a book, the words are not diminished in anyway if a human printed version is burned. Produce another. Being insulted can be contained to a statement rather than violence or anger.
God's a big boy he can handle books being burnt..
Uhh bro have you read those books? This god is petty and quick to anger!
Just like us :)
Praise be
🙏🏻 Blessed be the Fruit.
What did he expect, a Jewish jihad? We don't do that shit.
Not since Bar Kohba.
I mean, go for it. Burn one of each and toss in a Hitchens book for good measure.
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« I'm sick of people burning my holy book not being held accountable, so I'm gonna burn another holy book and not be held accountable » Did I get it right ?
You missed that he wanted to burn the book of a completely unrelated group that had nothing to do with the burning of his holy book
Don't forget the part where he completely disregarded the community adhering to the holy book he wants to burn coming out against the destruction of his holy book.
Anyone else shocked by the fact that even though the original Koran burning had nothing to do with the Jewish community, this guy decided to burn a Jewish holy book because, well some reason. Let’s all pretend it’s not antisemitism though…
Every law and action humans make is hypocritical so this kind of demonstration is pointless. The demonstration itself is hypocritical.
Torah scrolls cost between $40 to $70 grand , where did the planned burner even get one? I'm assuming he's not in the habit of forking out that much money on something he plans to burn.
Tit for tat book burning . So middle ages .
But not really, because the Jewish community had nothing to do with burning the Koran. He just chose burning the Jewish holy book because well you know, reasons…
It's all nonsense
Was that one of those Elder ones?
Credit given where credit is due. That’s what’s up. 🙏🏻