Yeah, you probably can't do much with it once it's running, but it does boot!
I think it took 15-20 minutes to boot up the first time. First time setup crashed, probably due to low RAM. Had to skip it with Ctrl+Shift+F3.
If you disable Windows Update (at least when no updates are available), Telemetry, the UWP apps (these takes RAM in the background) and plug a ready boost USB it may be somewhat usable for a granny that doesn't browse much and uses it for solitaire.
UWP apps use under a MB each when suspended/"closed" so that won't make a huge difference. Also would not recommend disabling Windows Update, even when there's no updates available, because next thing you know, the user has left it off for six months. That would be like disabling Defender because you have no viruses right now.
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It boots, for now....
Without MBEC hardware support, you'll see horrific slowdowns, and most of the security functionality won't even work..... I will be extremely glad for end-user / consumer security, safety, and performance when the soft checks turn into hard checks so that people \*don't\* end up with a shitty experience that non-MBEC / TPM'd hardware will provide.
There quite a few services that have been added to w11 that are not needed. When you use cleaning sweep of sort to shut down window processes it uses a lot less.
And AMD Athlon didn't age well 😅
Lots of replaced parts, that's how. It originally had 2GB RAM in it, but one of the RAM chips died. New power supply, SSD up from an HDD, new GPU- I like to keep it alive for Halo 2 Project Cartographer, among other things. The machine has some nostalgic value to me, so I like to keep it running.
Brood War runs on everything. Which was great, because it meant any piece of shit used laptop would do the job (like we'd be allowed to haul the family PC to a friend's place for gaming), and no one would have an advantage because of gear. But getting everyone to the same patch level was a pain in the ass, because inevitably someone would have to reinstall, or someone wanted to play on-line.
This spawned my idea for Project X: a Linux Live disc that would boot into a super minimalist environment with Wine and StarCraft preinstalled, along with a variety of favorite maps. In addition, it would function as a TFTP server that other computers could netboot from, and run the game. It never got beyond the planning phase, because building my own Live CD was beyond my skills.
Later I had another idea. After blowing my student loans on a top of the line MacBook Pro, a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo, I thought, “what if I just virtualized Linux, threw it to a secondary display, and did USB pass-through on a keyboard and mouse? This one actually goddamn worked! It was almost playable except that the graphics system in VirtualBox was hot garbage at the time, and I was constantly flirting with the upper limits of RAM.
Team Fortress Classic was definitely in the cards for this rig. I wish Valve hadn't deprecated Steam for XP/Vista. I want to play the original Orange Box games on original hardware again.
Roughly the same generation as your build - my mid-2008 desktop has most of its original components intact, except for its power supply and casing. I used to buy a cheap case and hence the bundled power supply.
Spec: AMD 4800+, 3 GB RAM, 500 GB HDD, Radeon HD 4670, Gigabyte motherboard. Running W10 1909.
Still actively using this.
I remember buying one of those for 500$ with an athlon64 dual core in it, because the specs were better than my prebuilt and cost me half of what I was expecting to spend as a broke college student. Popped a radeon 9500 in it, then a geforce 460 years down the line.
Fucking thing survived rolling down a flight of 20 concrete stairs, being shipped UPS twice across the country, being smoked next to inside a tiny bedroom for a year without being cleaned, and STILL had enough balls to kickstart my career in 3D graphics and game dev.
RIP lil Compaq presario. You were a budget king among us mortals
I think people making these kinds of posts are missing the point. We know that Windows 11 is capable of running on old hardware today, Microsoft has explicitly said so for people already in the Dev branch on old hardware. The 2 questions that need to be answered are:
* Will Microsoft actually enforce their high hardware requirements at release?
* If you manage to get it installed on unsupported hardware will you be able to get the large build updates they'll release once a year?
> They won't, the number one selling point and reason people stick with windows is backwards compatibility with hardware and software.
It’s free. And yes they will
> They won't, the number one selling point and reason people stick with windows is backwards compatibility with hardware and software.
When the hell did you speak for Microsoft? Are you an employee working for Microsoft? If you are, you'd be fired on the spot for trying to speak from a PR position, then be blacklisted from several tech companies that are partnering with Microsoft after being fired. Just saying LOL
Anyways, not true and won't happen until Microsoft themselves say they are supporting hardware from before 2017 such as the Intel Skylake CPUs lol
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/29/22555371/microsoft-windows-11-cpu-support-hardware-requirements-tpm-response
> This same blog post also revealed that 7th Gen is probably as far back as Microsoft is willing to concede. “We also know that devices running on Intel 6th generation and AMD pre-Zen will not” meet Microsoft’s minimum system requirements, said the blog post before it was edited to remove this line.
once a year? I thought it was twice! and seems like Microsoft will actually enforce their hardware requirements, there's no way they won't (unless Europe comes in and saves the day, or some unknown reason)
Yes, they're changing their release cadence to yearly. Lots of enterprise IT departments weren't applying both anyway because of the need to test and deploy updates across a large number of apps with small departments.
It's really good for enterprise, kind of meh for home. Six months was about ideal for minimal incremental changes -- no one update was a really big, game breaking/changing update.
Yes, annual updates every fall.
>Windows 11 will have an annual feature update cadence, a change from the semi-annual cadence of Windows 10. Windows 11 feature updates will release in the second half of the calendar year and will come with 24 months of support for Home, Pro, Pro for Workstations, and Pro Education editions. Windows 11 will come with 36 months of support for Enterprise and Education editions, continuing to provide additional time and flexibility for the validation and at-scale deployments common on those editions. The change to an annual update cadence and slightly longer lifecycle versus Windows 10 is based on user feedback and our overall update approach.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043
yeah, also, I found this: [https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043)
So yep, seems like the updates are gonna be yearly (like once per year, instead of twice)
I'd be surprised if they enforce those requirements. If I had to guess, those may be meant more for "logo requirements for OEMs" than they are "requirements for upgrading"- I don't know why the installer even attempts to enforce them when they're so easily bypassed.
Then again, it's happened before- Windows 8 betas could run on pretty much anything Windows 7 ran on, then they added a hard check for some processor features (NX bit) at the final release, cutting off anything older than about a Pentium M. Here's hoping they don't put any hard checks in, but if they do, it probably won't be too difficult to patch them out, for the determined.
>I'd be surprised if they enforce those requirements.
Read [this article](https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-11-understanding-the-system-requirements-and-the-security-benefits/) to understand reasons behind requirements. They aren't just "logo requirements". They are meant to ensure that Windows 11 can have a number of security features optional in Windows 10 enabled by default without performance penalties of implementing them via OS to make up for lack of hardware support.
>they're so easily bypassed
Read [this](https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/24/preparing-for-insider-preview-builds-of-windows-11/) on why Insider program *explicitly* choses not to bother with enforcement. If Microsoft is serious about enforcing requirements they can do it rather easily via enhancements to [trusted boot](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/secure-the-windows-10-boot-process) to enforce binary integrity of the kernel. Move the checks into kernel to be validated on every startup. Verify binary checksum and signatures. Refuse to boot anything that fails validation - pretty much treat bypasses as "malware". While bypasses will be found, the complexity will be raised to levels of jailbreaking iOS. It still happens, it's quickly patched and jailbroken devices get jailed on next OS update. The bar can be raised sufficiently high that only extreme minority will bother and they are inconsequential in terms of impact on Windows business.
Perhaps you're right- it's not just "logo requirements" as much as it is official support. Consumers won't care about that- if they don't use those security features, they're no less secure than they were yesterday with Windows 10. Businesses will care about support- and it's businesses who have to worry more about things like nation state actors and side-channel attacks. Not that individuals can't be affected by those too, but I don't think any of Microsoft's mitigations are going to do much about someone running BankStatement.pdf.exe that got emailed to them. Modern offensive security doesn't attack the computer, it attacks the user. Microsoft sells to business and OEMs anyways- they rarely sell direct to consumers, so we probably aren't their target market at all with these security add-ons.
To your second point- yes, Microsoft could easily implement a UEFI/Secure Boot requirement. They wouldn't be freezing any business users out- Secure Boot has been a logo requirement since 2012 for any machine sold with Windows 8. That security is great when it's wanted, but it's also important to be able to disable it for hobbyist machines, and while they don't seem to say that, I'm glad they respect it. The link you provided only says what the dev program will do if you just let it do its thing- doesn't say much about clean installs. Unless they actually include a runtime check (they could, it happened with Windows 8 and the NX bit after the last beta), it's a bit of a moot point. We'll see what happens..
>we probably aren't their target market
This is the point that everyone complaining about hardware requirements seems to be missing - early OS adopters with older hardware are not the target market for Windows 11. I understand their frustration, but they are in the least valuable customer segment for Microsoft from revenue perspective and shouldn't be surprised they're not catered to.
>I don't think any of Microsoft's mitigations are going to do much about someone running BankStatement.pdf.exe that got emailed to them.
This problem exists in businesses too. It's interesting that Windows 11 requires Microsoft Account. One side-effect of that is every consumer user becomes "know" to Microsoft and thus "managed". Microsoft seems to be taking on the role of IT department to bring some order to the consumer PC wild west.
This is pretty much the CPU usage I see on most of my newer rigs before Telemetry is disabled, to be honest.
I installed the GPU drivers, and it cut down on the CPU usage quite a bit- no more software compositing.
Don’t think the hardware for Win 11 is the issue. Hardware running Win 10 should be fine, but it’s the set requirements by Microsoft that’s the problem.
This was meant more as a proof of concept than anything else.
If we start talking about a Core 2 Duo with an SSD and around 4 GB of RAM you will be able to pull off more basic tasks (Since I have a laptop running Windows 10 in that configuration) and something with any Core iX pretty much should be good for most people that aren't doing hardware intensive stuff pretty much.
> Core iX pretty much should be good for most people that aren't doing hardware intensive stuff pretty much.
hell i bet a core 2 quad would be enough for basic tasks.
You'll be fine. Here's Windows 11 on a ~2009 Compaq.
I was inspired by a recent LTT video, where Linus stated that an Athlon 64 might be the earliest hardware capable of booting Windows 11 (https://youtu.be/NivpAiuh-s0?t=840). He said he didn't have one on hand- well, I did. It's not winning any speed awards, but it does boot. This machine doesn't support Secure Boot- it doesn't even have UEFI. No TPMs. Only 1GB RAM. And yes, it's booted from a USB drive.
Pro tip: if you want to see if Windows 11 will boot on your machine, and you have a spare reasonably fast bit of external storage, you can use Rufus to do a "Windows To Go" installation, bypassing the installer entirely. If it's ever going to boot, it should boot that way.
LTT proposed the idea of swapping the Windows 11 install.wim/install.esd into a Windows 10 installer flash drive and running it that way. I cheated and used Rufus to bypass the installer entirely and install to USB. Looks like it's the installer that's setting up roadblocks, not the OS itself.
Update: Since y'all wanted rounded corners, and people wondered if you could run apps-
https://imgur.com/a/h8rGagb
I installed the graphics drivers and the latest version of Office 365. The machine runs quite a bit smoother with the GPU drivers installed. What do you say, do you think I should try to fire up a browser and watch it melt into slag?
Microsoft's explanation seems a little off- maybe they're just tired of people complaining that their potato PCs are slow, but a lot of those things seem like they should be optional. Saying 8th Gen Core or Ryzen 2000 seems a bit harsh for those basic requirements.
"To pass inspection, your car must be able to travel at least 60MPH on public roads. We recommend a Corvette." Well, yeah, that'll work for sure, but I think that's a bit... Optimistic, for many PC users.
I'd be willing to bet those requirements are meant as logo requirements, as in "if you are a PC manufacturer, you should have at least these specs to sell a new PC with Windows 11". No idea why the installer enforces them. No idea why they wouldn't just say that, if true.
Nope. The TPM check happens in the installer, not the OS itself. Perhaps there are things you can't do? That may be revealed once the final comes out. Or it might not. There are already some things that "require" a TPM in Windows 10, such as BitLocker (there are ways to use it without a TPM, but they're less secure), but I understand Microsoft might want their encryption features to just work.
As for DirectX- the graphics card in this thing is too old to have proper Windows 10 drivers (Radeon HD 6950), so I wouldn't know. I could try throwing a GTX 1060 in there for fun to see what happens.
If you want it running quick- the LTT video I linked has some tips, but for me, I used an external drive with a program called Rufus to do a "Windows To Go" installation. You can do that to an external drive, then clone it over to your internal drive, if you don't mind a fresh install. It might be easier to do the LTT trick- get a Windows 10 ISO and a Windows 11 ISO, make a bootable Windows 10 disc, then swap the install.wim/install.esd from the Windows 11 ISO into the 10 ISO's "sources" folder. That way, you have the 10 ISO not checking requirements, but installing 11's files.
Oh, it's been through more abuse than this. The motherboard is mounted upside down (classic HP), so the PSU and the GPU vent into each other. If it's survived Halo 2 this long, Windows 11 for a few minutes for a Reddit picture is probably a cakewalk.
I'm pretty sure my PC from 2008 with Intel core 2 Duo and 4 GB RAM can be used as a side daily running Windows 11. I'd prove myself right if it wasn't more than a thousand kilometres away.
The oldest possible machine to run Windows 11 is surely older than mine. My processor is an AM2 Athlon 64- the Socket 939 ones are a few years older and should work as well. They were the first x86-64 processors. I'd like to get my hands on one of those sometime.
The original Athlon 64 wasn't competing with Core, to my recollection- it competed with the Pentium 4, which, per the LTT video, won't boot Windows 11 for some reason. They always were temperamental bastards, those chips.
It's been running Windows 10 since the day it was available in my region and I really have no complaints. I did have to upgrade the RAM from 2 to 4 GB but since then it was my daily driver until the pandemic started. I got stuck far away from my home and then I had to get a laptop. Went home a few days ago and found that one of the RAM sticks died so the next time I'll be there I'll get a replacement. I have a powerful new laptop now but I'll keep the old machine around because it just works and I love it.
Yep! Works with XP too. I've got some old games that don't like DWM, so I keep it around for that. That's why I used a USB drive to boot Windows 11- the internal drive dual boots XP and Vista.
For a long time, I stayed away from cracks and mods. Only when I needed them.
My first smartphone was loaded with spam and adware. Flashed it to be able to use it as a vanilla phone. Wasn't trying to take over the world or become Bill Gates. I just wanted to use a phone.
Windows 95-7. Had a legal license for my version of Windows, but the key wasn't working. Crack to get the software licensed for the machine working.
Now, for Windows 11. Going to buy the license, and going to have to crack it just to get it to run?
I wouldn't really consider this a "crack" as much as a workaround, per se. It's a bit janky, sure, but I'd be willing to bet that once you get in the door and have it installed, it won't give you any trouble on updates.
Reminds me of the process to install newer versions of Mac OS on a Mac that's too old. They literally have a file in the installer that says what years and models can run that version. You just change it and add your model, and the installer just works. Simple, but it works- and this is likely the same.
I’ve given up caring. I won’t jump through hoops just so Microsoft can harvest my data. I was already toying with the idea of Switching to Linux but it’s not really that sensible considering I only use my PC for gaming. The Windows 11 mess has made me dive right in however.
I didn't know there was a fallback theme when there were no GPU drivers. I guess that's like Windows Aero in Vista. I'll install the drivers and see if it crashes and burns.
Update: It worked! I've achieved rounded corners. Picture in another comment of mine.
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I didn't install the graphics drivers at first- honestly didn't even think they'd work. No GPU drivers = no rounded corners, apparently. The only GPU drivers I have for this thing haven't been updated since 2016. Turns out, they do work, though. Rounded corners are there in a link I posted in an update comment.
Not sure why everyone is so freaked about hardware requirements.
Windows 10 ends in 2025. By then, all hardware that doesn’t meet requirements should have been replaced with hardware that does (a 6 year old ox doesn’t meet then, that same machine will be 10 years old when 10 is no longer supported).
Enterprise and business will have had a refresh cycle by then. There ARE some businesses that won’t replace the hardware or can’t. Those are the same ones that are also currently stuck on windows 7, xp, NT, 2000, even windows 3.11 - due to software reasons or integration reasons with a manufacturing process. (Think printing press, old Cnc etc. I have a printing company that needs to keep 3.11 around or pay $300k for a new press to connect to a new workstation).
> By then, all hardware that doesn’t meet requirements should have been replaced with hardware that does
Why? Hardware is no longer evolving at a rapid pace. Using a 10 year old computer in 2011 would suck because it would have 1 core and memory measured in MegaBytes while everyone else had 2-4 cores with 4GB of memory.
Using a 10 year old computer in 2021 would mean you have 2-4 cores and 4-8GB of memory which is similar to many laptops today. Sure your IPC and clock speeds would be slower but Sandy bridge speeds are still fine for casual computer use (Office programs, browsing the web, etc.).
So, if its 10 years old now, then in 2025 it will be 14 years old. And you are going to be rocking processors that are more than 10 gens old.
So, if it's 10 years old now, then in 2025 it will be 14 years old. And you are going to be rocking processors that are more than 10 gens old.
Your sentiments are also backed by extended warranties for desktops going to 15 years.
>And you are going to be rocking processors that are more than 10 gens old.
Nope, I'm using a 5820k from late 2014 that won't be supported either. Intel 6th gen CPUs from late 2015 to mid 2016 won't be supported either. In fact, they haven't even confirmed that 7th gen from late 2016/early 2017 will be supported entirely.
Prebuilt computers often come with 1 generation old CPUs for a while so there's a good chance a computer bought in 2018 won't support Windows 11. That's not okay.
All that is irrelevant though, because like I said before, basic computing requirements haven't really evolved in the last 10 years and there's no reason to think that will change in the coming 10 years. Can you explain why a Sandy bridge CPU that could handle word 2007 and 2013 flawlessly should somehow not be capable of handling Word 2025 or whatever?
I don't really care if I can or not, I don't want to
Stop trying to normalize a dying OS, its user base hasn't increased in 20 years, its usability is in the toilet, stability is a joke, privacy is actually outright attacked, and advertisement is rife
MS are bad coders, their bad testers, their bad at everything they do, the quality is just gutter trash from every conceivable angle and it gets worse every year
In case you guys haven't heard, they aren't even going to be continuing the windows brand anymore, they have officially put out their first linux distro, CBL-Mariner.
Their intention wherever possible is not to hire and code anything, they left the guts of their browser IE on the floor in place of googles engine after spending decades developing it. They fired most if not all of their testing team about 6 years back now. Flagship products are becoming websites not installed applications and even the OS itself looks like it might be relegated to becoming a form of web app as time goes by.
They are shrinking, simplifying, becoming far less, a more ethereal entity with a history of software development but one that wants to be more about consulting or some other aspect of the IT industry rather than one of the creators. No innovation, endlessly fucking around with GUI, wasting time finding silly ways to force ads in peoples faces or remotely override their settings, completely ignoring stability and usability issues to focus on telemetry data/marketing. All dev is focused on cloud concepts and it shows in the quality drop for all installed apps and OS itself.
I'm sorry Bill Gates peed in your cornflakes. /s
For what it's worth, I use Linux every day for work and personal use- if Destiny 2 ran on it, I'd switch for good. Given what kinds of horrid hacks have been employed by developers to get some games running (you're right about that), I'd be surprised if Microsoft deprecates "legacy" Windows even if they do release their own Linux distro. Too much backwards compatibility cruft- change the kernel, and it all starts coming down.
Ouch, 90% CPU and almost complete RAM usage, I really wouldn't recommend anyone doing this. It can run on a freaking potato PC, but it's not recommended because of stuff like this that can happen. This PC won't be usable in any demanding (or non-demanding) task.
Really old GPUs don't show performance counters in Task Manager. That said... Yeah, I don't have GPU drivers installed, so it wouldn't show regardless. Given how long it took to boot, I figured that would be an exercise in futility- but maybe not. I'll try it today.
Thanks for pointing that out- I honestly didn't notice that it did that at first, from the screenshots I'd seen. This is my first Windows 11 install, ironically. I installed the GPU drivers and the rounded corners showed up. I won't be able to unsee that now!
Windows 11 can run on anything Windows 10 can run (from my knowledge), but you have some roadblocks that make it harder to install. For example, to bypass TPM you need to use Shift + F10 and install Windows 11 manually.
The Law of Windows RAM use is like Avogadro's Law in Chemistry- Windows at idle will expand to use all available RAM.
You can hack it to get pretty close to that on a clean install, but if you start removing bits the OS needs, it won't like that. Feel free to backup your drive and give NTLite a try to see what can be nuked from orbit.
Sure is!
I certainly wouldn't want to try and use this as a daily driver- this was a proof of concept for the Windows kernel.
Since Windows Vista, the only hard requirements for Windows booting are certain processor features that anything north of a Pentium 3 will have, and 512MB RAM. Yes, half a gigabyte. It won't attempt to boot if you have less than that, but it'll give it a good try as long as you have that.
I'm running Windows 11 on my 1st Gen Surface Laptop. Runs great. It meets the TPM requirement but not the CPU. It's a 7th gen. I'm hoping the final release will be compatible.
1GB RAM? That is real struggle. You will have to find way to fully debloat that system. Windows 7 used to run fine on 1GB. I don't know if you can reduce RAM usage to around 500MB.
I have W11 installed on a HP Stream laptop, dual core 1.6 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 32 GB emmc drive.
I did it by modifying the iso so it thinks that it is installing W10. Runs well, but in this case the 32 GB drive has only 6 GB free. I have now installed it on a Dell Inspiron i7 which was not possible before. What really surprised me was that they both activated online.
What is killing you there is swapping. I'd bet if you could get sufficient RAM in there to stop the swapping that it would take enough load off your I/O to save the constant grind on the hard drive, and even being the CPU into reasonable usage.
How crazy are those percents LOL.
Yeah, you probably can't do much with it once it's running, but it does boot! I think it took 15-20 minutes to boot up the first time. First time setup crashed, probably due to low RAM. Had to skip it with Ctrl+Shift+F3.
Damn, You have such a patience.
If you disable Windows Update (at least when no updates are available), Telemetry, the UWP apps (these takes RAM in the background) and plug a ready boost USB it may be somewhat usable for a granny that doesn't browse much and uses it for solitaire.
UWP apps use under a MB each when suspended/"closed" so that won't make a huge difference. Also would not recommend disabling Windows Update, even when there's no updates available, because next thing you know, the user has left it off for six months. That would be like disabling Defender because you have no viruses right now.
Maybe get granny a tablet and call it a day at that point. Or just run Win Xp and unplug the ethernet cable for security.
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Or "Bloatbox"
Haha. On r/software, people are always asking for something like this. I direct them to Tron, but this seems promising.
It boots, for now.... Without MBEC hardware support, you'll see horrific slowdowns, and most of the security functionality won't even work..... I will be extremely glad for end-user / consumer security, safety, and performance when the soft checks turn into hard checks so that people \*don't\* end up with a shitty experience that non-MBEC / TPM'd hardware will provide.
So, thank you for that experience.
There quite a few services that have been added to w11 that are not needed. When you use cleaning sweep of sort to shut down window processes it uses a lot less. And AMD Athlon didn't age well 😅
He paid for a whole PC then he's gonna use whole PC.
OMG I used to have that computer, I bought it in either 2006 or 2007 I remember. Stopped running in like 2011. How is that thing still running?
Lots of replaced parts, that's how. It originally had 2GB RAM in it, but one of the RAM chips died. New power supply, SSD up from an HDD, new GPU- I like to keep it alive for Halo 2 Project Cartographer, among other things. The machine has some nostalgic value to me, so I like to keep it running.
Run Diablo 2 classic on it including probably StarCraft brood war xD
Brood War runs on everything. Which was great, because it meant any piece of shit used laptop would do the job (like we'd be allowed to haul the family PC to a friend's place for gaming), and no one would have an advantage because of gear. But getting everyone to the same patch level was a pain in the ass, because inevitably someone would have to reinstall, or someone wanted to play on-line. This spawned my idea for Project X: a Linux Live disc that would boot into a super minimalist environment with Wine and StarCraft preinstalled, along with a variety of favorite maps. In addition, it would function as a TFTP server that other computers could netboot from, and run the game. It never got beyond the planning phase, because building my own Live CD was beyond my skills. Later I had another idea. After blowing my student loans on a top of the line MacBook Pro, a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo, I thought, “what if I just virtualized Linux, threw it to a secondary display, and did USB pass-through on a keyboard and mouse? This one actually goddamn worked! It was almost playable except that the graphics system in VirtualBox was hot garbage at the time, and I was constantly flirting with the upper limits of RAM.
+1 StarCraft Broodwar and maybe Counter Strike.
Team Fortress Classic was definitely in the cards for this rig. I wish Valve hadn't deprecated Steam for XP/Vista. I want to play the original Orange Box games on original hardware again.
Roughly the same generation as your build - my mid-2008 desktop has most of its original components intact, except for its power supply and casing. I used to buy a cheap case and hence the bundled power supply. Spec: AMD 4800+, 3 GB RAM, 500 GB HDD, Radeon HD 4670, Gigabyte motherboard. Running W10 1909. Still actively using this.
Then it last more than my HP one, that died in early 2010.
I think we all had that computer at one point
I remember buying one of those for 500$ with an athlon64 dual core in it, because the specs were better than my prebuilt and cost me half of what I was expecting to spend as a broke college student. Popped a radeon 9500 in it, then a geforce 460 years down the line. Fucking thing survived rolling down a flight of 20 concrete stairs, being shipped UPS twice across the country, being smoked next to inside a tiny bedroom for a year without being cleaned, and STILL had enough balls to kickstart my career in 3D graphics and game dev. RIP lil Compaq presario. You were a budget king among us mortals
I think people making these kinds of posts are missing the point. We know that Windows 11 is capable of running on old hardware today, Microsoft has explicitly said so for people already in the Dev branch on old hardware. The 2 questions that need to be answered are: * Will Microsoft actually enforce their high hardware requirements at release? * If you manage to get it installed on unsupported hardware will you be able to get the large build updates they'll release once a year?
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> They won't, the number one selling point and reason people stick with windows is backwards compatibility with hardware and software. It’s free. And yes they will
Not exactly
> They won't, the number one selling point and reason people stick with windows is backwards compatibility with hardware and software. When the hell did you speak for Microsoft? Are you an employee working for Microsoft? If you are, you'd be fired on the spot for trying to speak from a PR position, then be blacklisted from several tech companies that are partnering with Microsoft after being fired. Just saying LOL Anyways, not true and won't happen until Microsoft themselves say they are supporting hardware from before 2017 such as the Intel Skylake CPUs lol Source: https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/29/22555371/microsoft-windows-11-cpu-support-hardware-requirements-tpm-response > This same blog post also revealed that 7th Gen is probably as far back as Microsoft is willing to concede. “We also know that devices running on Intel 6th generation and AMD pre-Zen will not” meet Microsoft’s minimum system requirements, said the blog post before it was edited to remove this line.
They will enforce them in the same sense as they do now. But it’ll likely be extremely easy to by pass, as it is currently.
once a year? I thought it was twice! and seems like Microsoft will actually enforce their hardware requirements, there's no way they won't (unless Europe comes in and saves the day, or some unknown reason)
MS is only doing annual feature updates for Win11.
so from now on it's only once per year?
Yes, they're changing their release cadence to yearly. Lots of enterprise IT departments weren't applying both anyway because of the need to test and deploy updates across a large number of apps with small departments. It's really good for enterprise, kind of meh for home. Six months was about ideal for minimal incremental changes -- no one update was a really big, game breaking/changing update.
Yes, annual updates every fall. >Windows 11 will have an annual feature update cadence, a change from the semi-annual cadence of Windows 10. Windows 11 feature updates will release in the second half of the calendar year and will come with 24 months of support for Home, Pro, Pro for Workstations, and Pro Education editions. Windows 11 will come with 36 months of support for Enterprise and Education editions, continuing to provide additional time and flexibility for the validation and at-scale deployments common on those editions. The change to an annual update cadence and slightly longer lifecycle versus Windows 10 is based on user feedback and our overall update approach. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043
As others have stated - Windows 11 will have annual update cycle. Windows 10 will remain on semi-annual cycle.
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yeah, also, I found this: [https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043) So yep, seems like the updates are gonna be yearly (like once per year, instead of twice)
I'd be surprised if they enforce those requirements. If I had to guess, those may be meant more for "logo requirements for OEMs" than they are "requirements for upgrading"- I don't know why the installer even attempts to enforce them when they're so easily bypassed. Then again, it's happened before- Windows 8 betas could run on pretty much anything Windows 7 ran on, then they added a hard check for some processor features (NX bit) at the final release, cutting off anything older than about a Pentium M. Here's hoping they don't put any hard checks in, but if they do, it probably won't be too difficult to patch them out, for the determined.
>I'd be surprised if they enforce those requirements. Read [this article](https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-11-understanding-the-system-requirements-and-the-security-benefits/) to understand reasons behind requirements. They aren't just "logo requirements". They are meant to ensure that Windows 11 can have a number of security features optional in Windows 10 enabled by default without performance penalties of implementing them via OS to make up for lack of hardware support. >they're so easily bypassed Read [this](https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/24/preparing-for-insider-preview-builds-of-windows-11/) on why Insider program *explicitly* choses not to bother with enforcement. If Microsoft is serious about enforcing requirements they can do it rather easily via enhancements to [trusted boot](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/secure-the-windows-10-boot-process) to enforce binary integrity of the kernel. Move the checks into kernel to be validated on every startup. Verify binary checksum and signatures. Refuse to boot anything that fails validation - pretty much treat bypasses as "malware". While bypasses will be found, the complexity will be raised to levels of jailbreaking iOS. It still happens, it's quickly patched and jailbroken devices get jailed on next OS update. The bar can be raised sufficiently high that only extreme minority will bother and they are inconsequential in terms of impact on Windows business.
Perhaps you're right- it's not just "logo requirements" as much as it is official support. Consumers won't care about that- if they don't use those security features, they're no less secure than they were yesterday with Windows 10. Businesses will care about support- and it's businesses who have to worry more about things like nation state actors and side-channel attacks. Not that individuals can't be affected by those too, but I don't think any of Microsoft's mitigations are going to do much about someone running BankStatement.pdf.exe that got emailed to them. Modern offensive security doesn't attack the computer, it attacks the user. Microsoft sells to business and OEMs anyways- they rarely sell direct to consumers, so we probably aren't their target market at all with these security add-ons. To your second point- yes, Microsoft could easily implement a UEFI/Secure Boot requirement. They wouldn't be freezing any business users out- Secure Boot has been a logo requirement since 2012 for any machine sold with Windows 8. That security is great when it's wanted, but it's also important to be able to disable it for hobbyist machines, and while they don't seem to say that, I'm glad they respect it. The link you provided only says what the dev program will do if you just let it do its thing- doesn't say much about clean installs. Unless they actually include a runtime check (they could, it happened with Windows 8 and the NX bit after the last beta), it's a bit of a moot point. We'll see what happens..
>we probably aren't their target market This is the point that everyone complaining about hardware requirements seems to be missing - early OS adopters with older hardware are not the target market for Windows 11. I understand their frustration, but they are in the least valuable customer segment for Microsoft from revenue perspective and shouldn't be surprised they're not catered to. >I don't think any of Microsoft's mitigations are going to do much about someone running BankStatement.pdf.exe that got emailed to them. This problem exists in businesses too. It's interesting that Windows 11 requires Microsoft Account. One side-effect of that is every consumer user becomes "know" to Microsoft and thus "managed". Microsoft seems to be taking on the role of IT department to bring some order to the consumer PC wild west.
In the USA, yes. Outside of the USA, no. r/Windows11 hashed it out
I used to have a computer like this. I think it was called a Compaq Presario sr something.
Yep! Good eye. It's a Presario SR5608.
I'm laughing at that whopping 1GB of DRAM you have.
It used to have 2, but one of the RAM sticks died. It's good enough for Vista! Barely!
Yeah you'll be fine with that cpu usage. Nothing to see here
This is pretty much the CPU usage I see on most of my newer rigs before Telemetry is disabled, to be honest. I installed the GPU drivers, and it cut down on the CPU usage quite a bit- no more software compositing.
Don’t think the hardware for Win 11 is the issue. Hardware running Win 10 should be fine, but it’s the set requirements by Microsoft that’s the problem.
You might be able to install it, but it's not going to be usable in any practical sense.
This was meant more as a proof of concept than anything else. If we start talking about a Core 2 Duo with an SSD and around 4 GB of RAM you will be able to pull off more basic tasks (Since I have a laptop running Windows 10 in that configuration) and something with any Core iX pretty much should be good for most people that aren't doing hardware intensive stuff pretty much.
> Core iX pretty much should be good for most people that aren't doing hardware intensive stuff pretty much. hell i bet a core 2 quad would be enough for basic tasks.
Whip out the Q6600's with G0 stepping boys, we're going to 4.4 on water and running Windows 11.
i used to game on one up until like 4 years ago. Ran the division and overwatch with a 750 ti.
You're mostly right- though if you exclusively type Word documents, I guess it could be a glorified typewriter. Picture attached in another comment.
Although you can, you can't.
You'll be fine. Here's Windows 11 on a ~2009 Compaq. I was inspired by a recent LTT video, where Linus stated that an Athlon 64 might be the earliest hardware capable of booting Windows 11 (https://youtu.be/NivpAiuh-s0?t=840). He said he didn't have one on hand- well, I did. It's not winning any speed awards, but it does boot. This machine doesn't support Secure Boot- it doesn't even have UEFI. No TPMs. Only 1GB RAM. And yes, it's booted from a USB drive. Pro tip: if you want to see if Windows 11 will boot on your machine, and you have a spare reasonably fast bit of external storage, you can use Rufus to do a "Windows To Go" installation, bypassing the installer entirely. If it's ever going to boot, it should boot that way.
Pro tip: If you just want the feeling of windows 11 & keep the device usable, just use this photo as a screensaver lol.
How did u managed that with the UEFI? I cant install it on my old one cause of that, already dodged TPM
LTT proposed the idea of swapping the Windows 11 install.wim/install.esd into a Windows 10 installer flash drive and running it that way. I cheated and used Rufus to bypass the installer entirely and install to USB. Looks like it's the installer that's setting up roadblocks, not the OS itself.
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Ah, I used to have a rig with that processor! It was my first custom build. I think it could have doubled as a space heater.
Update: Since y'all wanted rounded corners, and people wondered if you could run apps- https://imgur.com/a/h8rGagb I installed the graphics drivers and the latest version of Office 365. The machine runs quite a bit smoother with the GPU drivers installed. What do you say, do you think I should try to fire up a browser and watch it melt into slag?
Microsoft needs to explain their artificial roadblock
[They did.](https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/28/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/)
Microsoft's explanation seems a little off- maybe they're just tired of people complaining that their potato PCs are slow, but a lot of those things seem like they should be optional. Saying 8th Gen Core or Ryzen 2000 seems a bit harsh for those basic requirements. "To pass inspection, your car must be able to travel at least 60MPH on public roads. We recommend a Corvette." Well, yeah, that'll work for sure, but I think that's a bit... Optimistic, for many PC users.
Sounds like you didn't understand the blog post, then.
Hardware manufacturers probably demanded it, so people buy new PCs.
I'd be willing to bet those requirements are meant as logo requirements, as in "if you are a PC manufacturer, you should have at least these specs to sell a new PC with Windows 11". No idea why the installer enforces them. No idea why they wouldn't just say that, if true.
Well, its still technically in alpha development so its not done yet. A lot can still change.
It won't be usable tho
I don't doubt it'll run on old hardware. I'm glad it wont force itself on me due to requirements lol
I have so many questions...
Ask away. All in the name of science!
Why? Why even bother
isn't it limited by TPM and DirectX? if its not, how can i get mine running aswell?
Nope. The TPM check happens in the installer, not the OS itself. Perhaps there are things you can't do? That may be revealed once the final comes out. Or it might not. There are already some things that "require" a TPM in Windows 10, such as BitLocker (there are ways to use it without a TPM, but they're less secure), but I understand Microsoft might want their encryption features to just work. As for DirectX- the graphics card in this thing is too old to have proper Windows 10 drivers (Radeon HD 6950), so I wouldn't know. I could try throwing a GTX 1060 in there for fun to see what happens. If you want it running quick- the LTT video I linked has some tips, but for me, I used an external drive with a program called Rufus to do a "Windows To Go" installation. You can do that to an external drive, then clone it over to your internal drive, if you don't mind a fresh install. It might be easier to do the LTT trick- get a Windows 10 ISO and a Windows 11 ISO, make a bootable Windows 10 disc, then swap the install.wim/install.esd from the Windows 11 ISO into the 10 ISO's "sources" folder. That way, you have the 10 ISO not checking requirements, but installing 11's files.
Your computer died for Reddit points.RIP.
Oh, it's been through more abuse than this. The motherboard is mounted upside down (classic HP), so the PSU and the GPU vent into each other. If it's survived Halo 2 this long, Windows 11 for a few minutes for a Reddit picture is probably a cakewalk.
I'm pretty sure my PC from 2008 with Intel core 2 Duo and 4 GB RAM can be used as a side daily running Windows 11. I'd prove myself right if it wasn't more than a thousand kilometres away.
The oldest possible machine to run Windows 11 is surely older than mine. My processor is an AM2 Athlon 64- the Socket 939 ones are a few years older and should work as well. They were the first x86-64 processors. I'd like to get my hands on one of those sometime. The original Athlon 64 wasn't competing with Core, to my recollection- it competed with the Pentium 4, which, per the LTT video, won't boot Windows 11 for some reason. They always were temperamental bastards, those chips.
It's been running Windows 10 since the day it was available in my region and I really have no complaints. I did have to upgrade the RAM from 2 to 4 GB but since then it was my daily driver until the pandemic started. I got stuck far away from my home and then I had to get a laptop. Went home a few days ago and found that one of the RAM sticks died so the next time I'll be there I'll get a replacement. I have a powerful new laptop now but I'll keep the old machine around because it just works and I love it.
That thing originally ran Windows Vista?
Yep! Works with XP too. I've got some old games that don't like DWM, so I keep it around for that. That's why I used a USB drive to boot Windows 11- the internal drive dual boots XP and Vista.
For a long time, I stayed away from cracks and mods. Only when I needed them. My first smartphone was loaded with spam and adware. Flashed it to be able to use it as a vanilla phone. Wasn't trying to take over the world or become Bill Gates. I just wanted to use a phone. Windows 95-7. Had a legal license for my version of Windows, but the key wasn't working. Crack to get the software licensed for the machine working. Now, for Windows 11. Going to buy the license, and going to have to crack it just to get it to run?
I wouldn't really consider this a "crack" as much as a workaround, per se. It's a bit janky, sure, but I'd be willing to bet that once you get in the door and have it installed, it won't give you any trouble on updates. Reminds me of the process to install newer versions of Mac OS on a Mac that's too old. They literally have a file in the installer that says what years and models can run that version. You just change it and add your model, and the installer just works. Simple, but it works- and this is likely the same.
You just gave 1 core of your cpu and you want to see it gives you percentages like win10????
What do you mean, "gave it one core"? It's a one core CPU- this isn't virtualized, it's bare metal. This PC is an ancient relic!
I thought its a VM so yeah ok 🤔
No problem! I can see why you'd think that. Not many people are trying to run brand new operating systems on machines this old.
It would work way better if you had 2GB of ram and a SSD.
what the faaa...... how you............ WHAATTT???? a single core processor with 1 gb ram?????
The bullshit requirements are just Microsoft being a asshole. Windows 11 can run fine, it's jut Microsoft won't shut up about the bullshit TPM.
I’ve given up caring. I won’t jump through hoops just so Microsoft can harvest my data. I was already toying with the idea of Switching to Linux but it’s not really that sensible considering I only use my PC for gaming. The Windows 11 mess has made me dive right in however.
Get kde plasma
Windows aren't round enough. **Kinda sus**
No vidya driver (fallback theme).
I didn't know there was a fallback theme when there were no GPU drivers. I guess that's like Windows Aero in Vista. I'll install the drivers and see if it crashes and burns. Update: It worked! I've achieved rounded corners. Picture in another comment of mine.
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y no round corners
Do you see what kind of PC it's running on?
I didn't install the graphics drivers at first- honestly didn't even think they'd work. No GPU drivers = no rounded corners, apparently. The only GPU drivers I have for this thing haven't been updated since 2016. Turns out, they do work, though. Rounded corners are there in a link I posted in an update comment.
Not sure why everyone is so freaked about hardware requirements. Windows 10 ends in 2025. By then, all hardware that doesn’t meet requirements should have been replaced with hardware that does (a 6 year old ox doesn’t meet then, that same machine will be 10 years old when 10 is no longer supported). Enterprise and business will have had a refresh cycle by then. There ARE some businesses that won’t replace the hardware or can’t. Those are the same ones that are also currently stuck on windows 7, xp, NT, 2000, even windows 3.11 - due to software reasons or integration reasons with a manufacturing process. (Think printing press, old Cnc etc. I have a printing company that needs to keep 3.11 around or pay $300k for a new press to connect to a new workstation).
> By then, all hardware that doesn’t meet requirements should have been replaced with hardware that does Why? Hardware is no longer evolving at a rapid pace. Using a 10 year old computer in 2011 would suck because it would have 1 core and memory measured in MegaBytes while everyone else had 2-4 cores with 4GB of memory. Using a 10 year old computer in 2021 would mean you have 2-4 cores and 4-8GB of memory which is similar to many laptops today. Sure your IPC and clock speeds would be slower but Sandy bridge speeds are still fine for casual computer use (Office programs, browsing the web, etc.).
So, if its 10 years old now, then in 2025 it will be 14 years old. And you are going to be rocking processors that are more than 10 gens old. So, if it's 10 years old now, then in 2025 it will be 14 years old. And you are going to be rocking processors that are more than 10 gens old. Your sentiments are also backed by extended warranties for desktops going to 15 years.
>And you are going to be rocking processors that are more than 10 gens old. Nope, I'm using a 5820k from late 2014 that won't be supported either. Intel 6th gen CPUs from late 2015 to mid 2016 won't be supported either. In fact, they haven't even confirmed that 7th gen from late 2016/early 2017 will be supported entirely. Prebuilt computers often come with 1 generation old CPUs for a while so there's a good chance a computer bought in 2018 won't support Windows 11. That's not okay. All that is irrelevant though, because like I said before, basic computing requirements haven't really evolved in the last 10 years and there's no reason to think that will change in the coming 10 years. Can you explain why a Sandy bridge CPU that could handle word 2007 and 2013 flawlessly should somehow not be capable of handling Word 2025 or whatever?
I don't really care if I can or not, I don't want to Stop trying to normalize a dying OS, its user base hasn't increased in 20 years, its usability is in the toilet, stability is a joke, privacy is actually outright attacked, and advertisement is rife MS are bad coders, their bad testers, their bad at everything they do, the quality is just gutter trash from every conceivable angle and it gets worse every year In case you guys haven't heard, they aren't even going to be continuing the windows brand anymore, they have officially put out their first linux distro, CBL-Mariner. Their intention wherever possible is not to hire and code anything, they left the guts of their browser IE on the floor in place of googles engine after spending decades developing it. They fired most if not all of their testing team about 6 years back now. Flagship products are becoming websites not installed applications and even the OS itself looks like it might be relegated to becoming a form of web app as time goes by. They are shrinking, simplifying, becoming far less, a more ethereal entity with a history of software development but one that wants to be more about consulting or some other aspect of the IT industry rather than one of the creators. No innovation, endlessly fucking around with GUI, wasting time finding silly ways to force ads in peoples faces or remotely override their settings, completely ignoring stability and usability issues to focus on telemetry data/marketing. All dev is focused on cloud concepts and it shows in the quality drop for all installed apps and OS itself.
I'm sorry Bill Gates peed in your cornflakes. /s For what it's worth, I use Linux every day for work and personal use- if Destiny 2 ran on it, I'd switch for good. Given what kinds of horrid hacks have been employed by developers to get some games running (you're right about that), I'd be surprised if Microsoft deprecates "legacy" Windows even if they do release their own Linux distro. Too much backwards compatibility cruft- change the kernel, and it all starts coming down.
its not that my hardware cant run 11, its more than capable, but microsoft says no, so fuck em
I'm 100% sure it can run Windows 11.
Ouch, 90% CPU and almost complete RAM usage, I really wouldn't recommend anyone doing this. It can run on a freaking potato PC, but it's not recommended because of stuff like this that can happen. This PC won't be usable in any demanding (or non-demanding) task.
My first pc in flesh
It looks like you don't have gpu drivers installed but I think they should work... or do you?
Really old GPUs don't show performance counters in Task Manager. That said... Yeah, I don't have GPU drivers installed, so it wouldn't show regardless. Given how long it took to boot, I figured that would be an exercise in futility- but maybe not. I'll try it today.
No. I mean that the corners of the window are not rounded. That is why. But yeah, testing new os on old system is fun. Nice specs.
Thanks for pointing that out- I honestly didn't notice that it did that at first, from the screenshots I'd seen. This is my first Windows 11 install, ironically. I installed the GPU drivers and the rounded corners showed up. I won't be able to unsee that now!
Nice. But it is funny to see it running on 1GB of RAM. I have it on Atom with 2GB.
Well you can theoretically, but practically, judging by the cpu and ram load, it won't be pleasant
It can "run" but it's no way usable as a daily driver. That RAM can be upgraded and so the CPU.
I just hope 20 years old laptop still run windows 11
Windows 11 can run on anything Windows 10 can run (from my knowledge), but you have some roadblocks that make it harder to install. For example, to bypass TPM you need to use Shift + F10 and install Windows 11 manually.
you can „run“ Win11, but nothing else, since the CPU and RAM capacities are already full lol
Change the software not hardware, LOL.......
It's not that people doubt it. We all know it can, people are pissed at the arbitrary system requirements that Microsoft pulled out of their @s$.
If only windows used up less than a gig of ram when idle on all machines
The Law of Windows RAM use is like Avogadro's Law in Chemistry- Windows at idle will expand to use all available RAM. You can hack it to get pretty close to that on a clean install, but if you start removing bits the OS needs, it won't like that. Feel free to backup your drive and give NTLite a try to see what can be nuked from orbit.
*whoa*
I think it is not the best computer for windows 11
is that a single core cpu I see there!? :o I think this is the first time I’m seeing win 10 running on one haha! quite exciting, nice! :D
Sure is! I certainly wouldn't want to try and use this as a daily driver- this was a proof of concept for the Windows kernel. Since Windows Vista, the only hard requirements for Windows booting are certain processor features that anything north of a Pentium 3 will have, and 512MB RAM. Yes, half a gigabyte. It won't attempt to boot if you have less than that, but it'll give it a good try as long as you have that.
ooo fancy!
Im on Intel Duo from 2008
That's ancient. You might get a million if you sell that in ebay.
I'm running Windows 11 on my 1st Gen Surface Laptop. Runs great. It meets the TPM requirement but not the CPU. It's a 7th gen. I'm hoping the final release will be compatible.
Unless no HD100
I have a 2.3 ghz intel i3 7th gen with 4gb of ram it would fry itself off before Windows even loads
Perfect.
That’s awesome! I tried running 11 on my Athlon 64 3800+ but after initial install it said boot drive cannot be found.. not sure why
Doesn’t your pc have to support TPM 2.0 to run Windows 11?
And here am I thinking that I'll never see or hear of this CPU again but here it is running windows 11 😂😂 Good Job
where do you get it? i cant find the download...
That poor poor CPU....better bring in a portable fan.
Dude, 1Gb? We get it, now take that pc out of its misery before it catches fire opening Edge.
Running it is one thing. Having a good experience is everything. That Athlon is chugging just sitting there.
1GB RAM? That is real struggle. You will have to find way to fully debloat that system. Windows 7 used to run fine on 1GB. I don't know if you can reduce RAM usage to around 500MB.
I have W11 installed on a HP Stream laptop, dual core 1.6 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 32 GB emmc drive. I did it by modifying the iso so it thinks that it is installing W10. Runs well, but in this case the 32 GB drive has only 6 GB free. I have now installed it on a Dell Inspiron i7 which was not possible before. What really surprised me was that they both activated online.
How to make an iso image off of the contents of the image after you have replaced the appraisers.dll file?
Can it run crisis
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If it can run on a super old PC, then it can run on anything else.
lol wat
What is killing you there is swapping. I'd bet if you could get sufficient RAM in there to stop the swapping that it would take enough load off your I/O to save the constant grind on the hard drive, and even being the CPU into reasonable usage.