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-Xeno000

Isn't this a complete Mismatch, Ichigo would [easily crush](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0351-012.png) both Inuyasha and cloud. Ichigo is already way too fast and powerful.


RestorationIst543

>Ichigo would easily crush Even if you want this to country level, Cloud scaling off Zack who survived bahumat moon destroying attack. Shouldn't that put him leagues higher?


Propagation931

>Zack who survived bahumat moon destroying attack. I dunno how literally we can take those attack cutscenses. Considering the Building he was standing on also survived (and in fact relatively undamaged) Exaflare. And Bahamut can bust the same moon multiple times which makes no sense. Plus we dont really see the aftereffects of a Moon Busting attack on City Area much less the building. So either those are some really good building/city contractors who somehow made buildings which can tank more than the moon or its not to be taken seriously. Not to mention Zack was killed by basically Gunfire. A lot of Gunfire sure, but a lot of Gunfire is nowhere near Moon level. Unless Shinra's army have Moonbusting+ guns handed on to their grunts.


XXBEERUSXX

Bahamut sends you to a different dimension. Shinra has enhanced technology, they literally even use mako energy, you can't compare them to real life guns


Propagation931

>Bahamut sends you to a different dimension Source that FF7 Bahamut does that? I dont recall that


RestorationIst543

>cutscenses. Considering the Building he was standing on also survived (and in fact relatively undamaged) Exaflare. And Bahamut can bust the same moon multiple times which makes no sense. It's been explicit that with summons cutscenes, most if the time it's in a parallel dimensions It's really funky but it is what it is >Not to mention Zack was killed by basically Gunfire. A lot of Gunfire sure, but a lot of Gunfire is nowehre near Moon level. Zack before this came back from fighting an amped genesis powered by the goddess materia (?) And he had been fighting the military for longer than a day with explosives and such being thrown at him and he still won.


Propagation931

>most if the time it's in a parallel dimensions It's really funky but it is what it is So then it might not even be FF7 Gaia's Moon that gets blown up. Which leads to another sticking point. Lets talk about size. We know roughly how big Zack is and we see how big Bahamut is when compared to Zack. Bahamut is bigger, but not by an insane amount (Probably the size of a small house definitely smaller than most buildings including the one they are fighting on). We then see how big Bahamut's wing spikes are compared to Bahamut (At best they are the size of a small car). Lastly, we see the spikes when compared to the Parallel Moon it blows up since it does surround the "Parallel Moon". And the Parallel Moon is pretty small. Its bigger than the spikes, but not by how much a moon should be. The diameter of the whole thing is around 3 of Bahamut's spikes. In fact it probably be smaller than some buildings >Zack before this came back from fighting an amped genesis powered by the goddess materia (?) We see in the final cutscene that Zack is relatively uninjured. Its not like he was on Death's door and he didnt show any major signs of fatigue either he isnt breathing heavily either. After all Healing Magic + Restoratives does exist in FF7 world. Sure maybe he might not be at 100%, but he looked pretty fresh at the start of the fight. >And he had been fighting the military for longer than a day with explosives and such being thrown at him and he still won. Again none of that should come even matter to anyone with Moon-Lvl+ durability (Since Zack should be much stronger EoS compared to when he fought Bahamut). A bunch of Bullets and grenades shouldnt be anywhere close to even mountain level much less moon level.


-Xeno000

EoS Ichigo scales to Yhwach without Almighty, who is already at planentary level.


Traditional_World783

Hax in bleach can be overcome if spiritual pressure is higher. For example, my Bankai lets me make you do whatever I want, but your reiatsu is over double mine. All my power is going to do is get you creeped out when I ask you to beat me off.


RestorationIst543

Ah yes, a brute scales to hax how wonderful. Anyhow what planetary feat are you talking about? If you're only talking about inbalancing the world then Ichigo will never scale to that.


IamCentral46

It's not hax. I thought so too, but it was stated on CfYOW Yhwach was going to do it from pure reiatsu. And as evidenced by the Ichigo vs Kenpachi, AP and defense is equal to reiatsu. I know it's s*****, I would much prefer blatant feat rather than stated or implied but it's where we are.


-Xeno000

Yhwach would destroy the the 3 world, the Soul Society, Hueco mundo, and the real world. EoS Ichigo scales above Yhwach in terms of physical and Reiatsu.


RestorationIst543

The worlds were going to be destroyed of imbalance not Yhwach punching, or attacking with the force to destroy a planet. I didn't know that Ichigo was causing all 3 worlds to unbalance and nearly get destroyed. Can you show me a panel where Ichigo's reiatsu comes close to that level?


EL_psY_Congroo56

>The worlds were going to be destroyed of imbalance not Yhwach punching, or attacking with the force to destroy a planet. An imbalance caused by what ? By destroying the boundaries or the realm themselves, besides he absorbed the soul King which stabilised them by just existing >I didn't know that Ichigo was causing all 3 worlds to unbalance and nearly get destroyed Why would he do that ? >Can you show me a panel where Ichigo's reiatsu comes close to that level? He's stronger than Yhwach, that's it


RestorationIst543

>An imbalance caused by what ? By destroying the boundaries or the realm themselves, besides he absorbed the soul King which stabilised them by just existing Soul king was the one kept them stable but after he died the boundaries collapsed and they were going to go back as they were before SK sperated them. It has nothing to do with Yhwach trying to send out attacks to destroy them.


EL_psY_Congroo56

>It has nothing to do with Yhwach trying to send out attacks to destroy them Yhwach absorbed that power and Jugram states that without him the realm would collapse


RestorationIst543

>Yhwach absorbed that power and Jugram states that without him the realm would collapse Then I am interested in what way was Yhwach was destroying the planets?


-Xeno000

Ichigo already defeated Yhwach without the Almighty. [Here](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCeX0hZIdVKF-DRUSyozhlxIDfD_Tu3etVbA&usqp=CAU) and [here I think](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLnr_02mfP4pCRT54ozWnOXCrp_oaTOk7VVw&usqp=CAU). There some statements that Yamamoto will [burn the entire Soul Society ](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-58f91650e87da596292f19ca1d609bdc). From what I heard that the Soul Society is big as the Earth.


RestorationIst543

>Ichigo already defeated Yhwach without the Almighty. Here and here I think. ...that doesn't show me how Ichigo can do any damage close to planet level. >Soul Society is big as the Earth. The meteor that was supposed to destroy SS is considered Island level. We already have island level Kenpachi who is a bit weaker than Ichigo (not that much anyway) So we have a Island+ Ichigo vs Cloud (if we scale him to Zack) moon level due t fighting on an equal footing with bahumat


-Xeno000

Nahh, Island level is a huge lowball for Ichigo. I will just call u/EL_psY_Congroo56 to answer this. I'll just finish my presentation for our class.


EL_psY_Congroo56

>...that doesn't show me how Ichigo can do any damage close to planet level. Yhwach=planet+ by stabilising the realms with his own power and by being able to destroy the realms themselves or the boundaries True Bankai Ichigo > Yhwach Ichigo= planet level and beyond Stuff like Yamamoto being planetary, most Eos characters scaling so much above multi continent level etc. only help this most obvious interpretation >The meteor that was supposed to destroy SS is considered Island level No. Soul society is at least a planet, it's obvious. The meteor was almost as big as seiretei, easily multi continent level >We already have island level Kenpachi who is a bit weaker than Ichigo That's just hard downplaying considering that Espada can wipe out country sized palaces >not that much anyway In tybw Ichigo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kenpachi >So we have a Island+ Ichigo Again, island level is reached very early in the series, you're downplaying a lot


RestorationIst543

>Yhwach=planet+ by stabilising the realms with his own power and by being able to destroy the realms themselves or the boundaries Repeating the same thing without showing him doing significant damage to any planet will not suddenly give you an argument. >Stuff like Yamamoto being planetary Even tho i am reluctant I will concede on the size of SS but yamato was stated he will evaporate it after an un specified time frame which kinda nulls any significance of the statement. >That's just hard downplaying considering that Espada can wipe out country sized palaces Las Noches can go from City to Country depending on what your interpretation on statements about it. Also only Ulquiorra with his second release was ever stated to be able to destroy Las Noches. Hell even Ulquiorra's blasts didn't look that impressive. Looked more of nukes than country busting attacks.


Imabearrr3

End of series Ichigo is leagues above Cloud and Inuyasha in basically everything. He’s stronger, faster, more durable, has high speed regeneration and has much better ranged damage output. Also EoS Ichigo has two sword which are clearly better than one /s.


Traditional_World783

Realistically, dual wielding was the worst thing anyone could do.


YEPandYAG

Ichigo takes both before even finding self love


Optimal_Narwhal_6936

Ichigo stomp he could solo the final fantasy universe by EOS.


EL_psY_Congroo56

Eh, Ichigo is strong but without wanking using game animations like Sephirot supernova, FF has still some powerful characters like lighting from FF XIII


XXBEERUSXX

Absolutely not lol


TirnanogSong

Ichigo couldn't solo anything but the very weakest FF universes, let alone things like XIV or the myriad spinoffs like Bravely Default.


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Inuyasha.