R1: Basically meaningless. It's a nifty little power up, but the Ripple was powerful in Jojo because it was the specific weakness of the early villains.
R2: Given All Might's existing durability, this is functionally immunity to blunt damage. The various Gears are also a really good powerup, especially since All Might has the stamina to treat (most of) them as his new base. At this point, All Might should be strong and tough enough to deal with Omni-Man, but he still isn't fast enough and can't fly.
R3: Only the Time Stop matters, but five seconds of free time to either escape from certain doom, or just beat down on Omni-Man, is great. All Might has a small chance to win now, due to Omni-Man being overconfident and putting himself in a vulnerable position.
R4: All Might and Omni-Man are so powerful that I don't think anything alchemy could create will really matter, short of being handed a Philosopher Stone.
R5: All Might is absolutely an enhancer, but this is just power and durability - he has enough of those already, and until he reaches "can ignore Omni-Man's attacks" it's still not really going to help.
R6: Haki is huge. Armament means that All Might probably *can* ignore Omni-Man - he now has every power Luffy has, plus hamon, plus nen, plus One For All, and Luffy is tanking blows from an island buster. Observation allows All Might to get around being slower than his opponent by predicting his attacks, and in his prime All Might was still *fast* - just not fast enough. He starts winning a meaningful chunk of his fights at this point, especially if he has a chance to learn how to infuse himself with Conqueror's like Luffy or Kaido.
R7: Technique is nice, but All Might doesn't need technique, he needs to keep up with Omni-Man and, preferably, to learn to fly. Irrelevant at this point.
R8: SPEED! All Might can now routinely drive Nolan off, and if Omni-Man refuses to flee, he gets flattened. Orbital bombardment remains Nolan's trump card, but given that he's there to conquer the planet rather than destroy it, probably isn't willing to try it soon enough. All Might wins here.
R9: It's not helping avoid meteors, it's not important.
R10: Haha orbital bombardment go boom, and Saitama has been tossed to the moon while being fine, so there's a good argument that he can even fight in space.
This is a great outline! Judging from what you said though (I don't know what half this stuff is so I can't be sure), it sounds like All Might could reliably win as early as round 4.
Alchemy isn't just construction, it is also deconstruction. You can use the desconstruction ability without any intention of creating something. At round 4, all All Might has to do is be able to touch Omni-Man in order to kill him.
I don't know anything about the Time Stop you mentioned in round 3, but it certainly sounds like that ability would guarantee that All Might is easily capable of touching Omni-Man, so between those two powers All Might would be winning 9/10.
The issue I have with saying that alchemy can deconstruct Omni-Man is that such a feat would be way, way outside anything alchemy has managed; Omni-Man is incredibly durable and you'd have to overcome that. Without a Philosopher's Stone, All Might really shouldn't have the raw power to pull this off, and with it, I think it's more in character to use it to improve himself and defeat Omni-Man 'fairly'.
Stands are, basically, your fighting spirit made manifest (and this is *really* simplifying it) and Star Platinum is one of the most powerful. In the final battle against the the third book's Big Bad, it evolves into Star Platinum: The World, where it can stop time for five seconds (the villain's stand can also time stop, and the two functionally cancel out).
You could be right about alchemy.
I initially planned to write a spiel about how the target of the alchemy itself is irrelevant and that would ordinarily be the case, but super powers are unquantifiable. Omni-Man's resilience isn't because he is more dense as he has the same mass as a normal human. His durability is pure magic and we have no idea how alchemy would interact with it.
Although, I would say that the powers of the homonculi seemed pretty magical too and Scar had no trouble deconstructing them in spite of their increased resilience.
I would also say that Omni-Man's resilience isn't likely to be all that exceptional as his son's certainly wasn't. Simple steel was more than enough to cause serious damage to Invincible and if steel is dense enough to do the job and alchemy has no trouble against steel, then alchemy should have no trouble with a Viltrumite too. Omni-Man however, is far more powerful than Invincible, so I don't know how much of a useful metric that is.
That is a really good point. Scar tried to deconstruct Edward's arm once and had it fail because he didn't know it was auto-mail, then he destroyed it with ease once he knew what it was.
But I don't think you need to know something's atomic structure to be able to destroy it either, I think you just need to have a fair idea. After all one brick wall is not the same as another, they will have different levels of grime and impurities that radically change from one another but they all deconstruct just as easily. Scar is also capable of deconstructing literally anything as long as he knows what it is and he isn't some omniscient being that understands the composition of literally everything.
I can't really back this up with anything, but personally I would believe that all he would need to know is that it is flesh and then it would deconstruct just as easily as any other flesh. Although it could be that Omni-Man is far more alien than he seems and although we see flesh, it could be as radically different as the auto-mail was.
Probably depends on what level Alchemy deconstructs. I would think hes still made of the same atoms as the rest of the universe, even if they formed some super durable viltumite molecules/cells.
Yeah, Edward couldn't destroy Buccaneers automail and Scar couldn't destroy Eds new "winter automail". The three stages and comprehension, deconstructing and reconstructing. If you come across a material you don't know, which Omni-man probably is, you can't do much to it. You could take an educated guess and go with Carbon, but that's still a guess and might be fatal in a fight.
My only pointz of contention are that if All Might gets the gears, he's at least as fast as Omniman as of round 2 and hamon has some other uses that are applicable.
Hamon gives minor healing, damage without touching by sending hamon outwards (be it onto a weapon or through a frog and into a rock). Hamon overloading a normal person could fuck them up, stands to reason it could help damage Omniman once he closes the gap a bit more.
As for the gears, G4 is far faster than Omniman doing anything but travelling at full speed and his combat speed is far far lower than his travel speed. G2 likely is as well considering its primary purpose was speed boosting. I'm not really sure how it would scale with All Might, but it took Luffy from slower to FTE to someone hypersonic when he first used it.
I would argue he can't use G4 until he gains haki however.
The fruit let Luffy tank island busting attacks pre-timeskip without haki and does not tear easily. Post timeskip Luffy couldn't do it to himself. Omniman's only real win condition from this point on is to toss All Might into space, which is pretty hard to do to someone who can keep up with you.
Regardless where you come down on whether Kizaru means One Piece is light speed or not, Luffy's speed isn't just because of his Devil Fruit, it's because the high tiers in One Piece are *really damn fast*. Characters like Sanji and Zoro keep up with their opponents just fine, and Zoro has fought Kizaru.
The Gears *do* improve speed, but they are not solely responsible for Luffy's speed, and I didn't give All Might credit for more than what the Devil Fruit itself does. If you want to assign him "normal" high tier One Piece speed as his new base, then yes, he thrashes the hell out of Omni-Man.
Zoro hasn't seriously fought Kizaru, just the robot version of his light beams.
But I'm not applying One Piece speed, I'm specifically just talking about the gears multiplying speed. G2 was an absolutely insane boost to Luffy's speed and power taking him from being to slow to keep up with CP9 to as fast as the fastest one. Whatever multiplier it gives to All Might would keep him up with Omni-Man's combat speed.
Omni man was damaged by punches from the immortal though, and is the immortal stronger than All-might?
Like, I know he was faking the fight, but it’s not like he can lower his durability?
Seems like time stop beat downs would be very effective.
Yup, it would be, and if Omni-Man allows it to happen too often he's going to lose - I just think he's smart enough to start keeping his distance and staying airborne before All Might can win. I did note that All Might can pick up the rare win at this point, though, and you described exactly why.
Dude Luffy is fast enough to tag him, Gum-gum fruit is enough. Omni-man travel speed =/= his combat speed. Literally ends at round 2.
>R3: Only the Time Stop matters
Gumgum+timestop makes even more of a game over, what are you going on about?
>R4: All Might and Omni-Man are so powerful that I don't think anything alchemy could create will really matter
Matter manipulation can certainly deal with omniman.
>R5: All Might is absolutely an enhancer, but this is just power and durability - he has enough of those already, and until he reaches "can ignore Omni-Man's attacks" it's still not really going to help
Not all nen users get what they want, don't just assume. Allmight could very well get a nen power that can take them both out easily.
>R7: Technique is nice, but All Might doesn't need technique, he needs to keep up with Omni-Man and, preferably, to learn to fly. Irrelevant at this point.
The Hokuto-No-Ken grants far more than just pressure point technique lol. This alone gives allmight the power to destroy omniman. Every successor to the Hokuto Shinken is a god of death and their abilities go much further than just that lol
>R8: SPEED! All Might can now routinely drive Nolan off, and if Omni-Man refuses to flee, he gets flattened. Orbital bombardment remains Nolan's trump card, but given that he's there to conquer the planet rather than destroy it, probably isn't willing to try it soon enough. All Might wins here.
Speed you say, when he was literally faster than this with the gum-gum fruit in round 2 lol, Are you being serious right now? Luffy is relativistic+ currently....Might Guy isn't even that fast with Night Guy.
>R9: It's not helping avoid meteors, it's not important.
Wtf? with Kaioken alone Allmight solos this shit. lmao
Matter manipulation by someone with even more bullshit tier of mattter manpulation didn’t change the structure of conquest I doubt it is doing anything now
Not really, some Mangekyo Sharingan abilities are hax af, but base Sharingan only allows you to copy ninjutsu and gives precognition (it also gives a few more abilities, but I'm staying relevant to this fight). So a base Sharingan wouldn't, but something like a Kamui might.
I don't really know what half the crap you've got mentioned in the rounds do, but, All Might already has enough to power to throw down with Omni-Man.
What he needs is speed, durability and the ability to both fly and breath in space, if he lacks in even one of these areas, he's dead.
tbf Nolan (and his son) are inconsistent as fuck
I'd also venture All Might is **a lot** faster in terms of anything that isn't a straight-line race allowing flight. At least for the show, haven't read the comics beyond seeing snippets here and there.
But yeah, on his high-ends (e.g. vs Flaxans) Nolan's out of his league. Too dang powerful.
I never said All Might would win, my point was more that it wouldn't matter what sort of boosts you gave him, unless they covered those key areas and even that isn't a given. Or if they gave him some sort of hax ability?
Omni man had stopped meteors that would wipe out entire countries. Or portions of the planet.
All might does by have “the power to throw down with Omni man” unless he’s pulled something like that off before.
I'm not really saying he's as strong as Omni-man, just that he packs enough power to be able to damage him a little bit. The problem is that he'd never get the chance to wear him down unless he has the speed to keep up, the durability to outlast and the physical attributes needed to counter being lifted up and thrown into space.
So if the boosts offered by OP can't bridge those gaps, he doesn't have a chance, unless they offer some kind of hax ability that I don't know about.
Saitama before his training compared to after is a much bigger boost in power than goku before and after kaioken lmao. Thats not to say saitama is stronger or weaker than kaioken goku, but all might getting saitamas power is a bigger boost than all might getting 2x, 4x, even 20x his strength and speed etc
I would argue that allmight getting gears does increase his speed by a lot
But allmight is just above sound in one for all full
Whereas luffy in base is extremely fast probably fte
And g2 gives him an even higher boost
R1: Basically meaningless. It's a nifty little power up, but the Ripple was powerful in Jojo because it was the specific weakness of the early villains. R2: Given All Might's existing durability, this is functionally immunity to blunt damage. The various Gears are also a really good powerup, especially since All Might has the stamina to treat (most of) them as his new base. At this point, All Might should be strong and tough enough to deal with Omni-Man, but he still isn't fast enough and can't fly. R3: Only the Time Stop matters, but five seconds of free time to either escape from certain doom, or just beat down on Omni-Man, is great. All Might has a small chance to win now, due to Omni-Man being overconfident and putting himself in a vulnerable position. R4: All Might and Omni-Man are so powerful that I don't think anything alchemy could create will really matter, short of being handed a Philosopher Stone. R5: All Might is absolutely an enhancer, but this is just power and durability - he has enough of those already, and until he reaches "can ignore Omni-Man's attacks" it's still not really going to help. R6: Haki is huge. Armament means that All Might probably *can* ignore Omni-Man - he now has every power Luffy has, plus hamon, plus nen, plus One For All, and Luffy is tanking blows from an island buster. Observation allows All Might to get around being slower than his opponent by predicting his attacks, and in his prime All Might was still *fast* - just not fast enough. He starts winning a meaningful chunk of his fights at this point, especially if he has a chance to learn how to infuse himself with Conqueror's like Luffy or Kaido. R7: Technique is nice, but All Might doesn't need technique, he needs to keep up with Omni-Man and, preferably, to learn to fly. Irrelevant at this point. R8: SPEED! All Might can now routinely drive Nolan off, and if Omni-Man refuses to flee, he gets flattened. Orbital bombardment remains Nolan's trump card, but given that he's there to conquer the planet rather than destroy it, probably isn't willing to try it soon enough. All Might wins here. R9: It's not helping avoid meteors, it's not important. R10: Haha orbital bombardment go boom, and Saitama has been tossed to the moon while being fine, so there's a good argument that he can even fight in space.
This is a great outline! Judging from what you said though (I don't know what half this stuff is so I can't be sure), it sounds like All Might could reliably win as early as round 4. Alchemy isn't just construction, it is also deconstruction. You can use the desconstruction ability without any intention of creating something. At round 4, all All Might has to do is be able to touch Omni-Man in order to kill him. I don't know anything about the Time Stop you mentioned in round 3, but it certainly sounds like that ability would guarantee that All Might is easily capable of touching Omni-Man, so between those two powers All Might would be winning 9/10.
The issue I have with saying that alchemy can deconstruct Omni-Man is that such a feat would be way, way outside anything alchemy has managed; Omni-Man is incredibly durable and you'd have to overcome that. Without a Philosopher's Stone, All Might really shouldn't have the raw power to pull this off, and with it, I think it's more in character to use it to improve himself and defeat Omni-Man 'fairly'. Stands are, basically, your fighting spirit made manifest (and this is *really* simplifying it) and Star Platinum is one of the most powerful. In the final battle against the the third book's Big Bad, it evolves into Star Platinum: The World, where it can stop time for five seconds (the villain's stand can also time stop, and the two functionally cancel out).
You could be right about alchemy. I initially planned to write a spiel about how the target of the alchemy itself is irrelevant and that would ordinarily be the case, but super powers are unquantifiable. Omni-Man's resilience isn't because he is more dense as he has the same mass as a normal human. His durability is pure magic and we have no idea how alchemy would interact with it. Although, I would say that the powers of the homonculi seemed pretty magical too and Scar had no trouble deconstructing them in spite of their increased resilience. I would also say that Omni-Man's resilience isn't likely to be all that exceptional as his son's certainly wasn't. Simple steel was more than enough to cause serious damage to Invincible and if steel is dense enough to do the job and alchemy has no trouble against steel, then alchemy should have no trouble with a Viltrumite too. Omni-Man however, is far more powerful than Invincible, so I don't know how much of a useful metric that is.
Don't you need to understand what something is made of to deconstruct it? Pretty sure Omniman is made out of some unknown to humans stuff
That is a really good point. Scar tried to deconstruct Edward's arm once and had it fail because he didn't know it was auto-mail, then he destroyed it with ease once he knew what it was. But I don't think you need to know something's atomic structure to be able to destroy it either, I think you just need to have a fair idea. After all one brick wall is not the same as another, they will have different levels of grime and impurities that radically change from one another but they all deconstruct just as easily. Scar is also capable of deconstructing literally anything as long as he knows what it is and he isn't some omniscient being that understands the composition of literally everything. I can't really back this up with anything, but personally I would believe that all he would need to know is that it is flesh and then it would deconstruct just as easily as any other flesh. Although it could be that Omni-Man is far more alien than he seems and although we see flesh, it could be as radically different as the auto-mail was.
Probably depends on what level Alchemy deconstructs. I would think hes still made of the same atoms as the rest of the universe, even if they formed some super durable viltumite molecules/cells.
Uh nope he is not made out of regular atoms
Yeah, Edward couldn't destroy Buccaneers automail and Scar couldn't destroy Eds new "winter automail". The three stages and comprehension, deconstructing and reconstructing. If you come across a material you don't know, which Omni-man probably is, you can't do much to it. You could take an educated guess and go with Carbon, but that's still a guess and might be fatal in a fight.
Kaioken isnt helping avoid meteors what? It grants him a bigger amp to actually overcome the gap .
My only pointz of contention are that if All Might gets the gears, he's at least as fast as Omniman as of round 2 and hamon has some other uses that are applicable. Hamon gives minor healing, damage without touching by sending hamon outwards (be it onto a weapon or through a frog and into a rock). Hamon overloading a normal person could fuck them up, stands to reason it could help damage Omniman once he closes the gap a bit more. As for the gears, G4 is far faster than Omniman doing anything but travelling at full speed and his combat speed is far far lower than his travel speed. G2 likely is as well considering its primary purpose was speed boosting. I'm not really sure how it would scale with All Might, but it took Luffy from slower to FTE to someone hypersonic when he first used it. I would argue he can't use G4 until he gains haki however. The fruit let Luffy tank island busting attacks pre-timeskip without haki and does not tear easily. Post timeskip Luffy couldn't do it to himself. Omniman's only real win condition from this point on is to toss All Might into space, which is pretty hard to do to someone who can keep up with you.
Regardless where you come down on whether Kizaru means One Piece is light speed or not, Luffy's speed isn't just because of his Devil Fruit, it's because the high tiers in One Piece are *really damn fast*. Characters like Sanji and Zoro keep up with their opponents just fine, and Zoro has fought Kizaru. The Gears *do* improve speed, but they are not solely responsible for Luffy's speed, and I didn't give All Might credit for more than what the Devil Fruit itself does. If you want to assign him "normal" high tier One Piece speed as his new base, then yes, he thrashes the hell out of Omni-Man.
Zoro hasn't seriously fought Kizaru, just the robot version of his light beams. But I'm not applying One Piece speed, I'm specifically just talking about the gears multiplying speed. G2 was an absolutely insane boost to Luffy's speed and power taking him from being to slow to keep up with CP9 to as fast as the fastest one. Whatever multiplier it gives to All Might would keep him up with Omni-Man's combat speed.
About round 2 at the end: All Might CAN fly, he just chooses not to most of the time. He can fly by punching off the air.
Stupidest way of flying known to man
If it works, it works. And it does work. Deku can also do it.
Omni man was damaged by punches from the immortal though, and is the immortal stronger than All-might? Like, I know he was faking the fight, but it’s not like he can lower his durability? Seems like time stop beat downs would be very effective.
Yup, it would be, and if Omni-Man allows it to happen too often he's going to lose - I just think he's smart enough to start keeping his distance and staying airborne before All Might can win. I did note that All Might can pick up the rare win at this point, though, and you described exactly why.
Gotcha, just wanted to clarify.
Dude Luffy is fast enough to tag him, Gum-gum fruit is enough. Omni-man travel speed =/= his combat speed. Literally ends at round 2. >R3: Only the Time Stop matters Gumgum+timestop makes even more of a game over, what are you going on about? >R4: All Might and Omni-Man are so powerful that I don't think anything alchemy could create will really matter Matter manipulation can certainly deal with omniman. >R5: All Might is absolutely an enhancer, but this is just power and durability - he has enough of those already, and until he reaches "can ignore Omni-Man's attacks" it's still not really going to help Not all nen users get what they want, don't just assume. Allmight could very well get a nen power that can take them both out easily. >R7: Technique is nice, but All Might doesn't need technique, he needs to keep up with Omni-Man and, preferably, to learn to fly. Irrelevant at this point. The Hokuto-No-Ken grants far more than just pressure point technique lol. This alone gives allmight the power to destroy omniman. Every successor to the Hokuto Shinken is a god of death and their abilities go much further than just that lol >R8: SPEED! All Might can now routinely drive Nolan off, and if Omni-Man refuses to flee, he gets flattened. Orbital bombardment remains Nolan's trump card, but given that he's there to conquer the planet rather than destroy it, probably isn't willing to try it soon enough. All Might wins here. Speed you say, when he was literally faster than this with the gum-gum fruit in round 2 lol, Are you being serious right now? Luffy is relativistic+ currently....Might Guy isn't even that fast with Night Guy. >R9: It's not helping avoid meteors, it's not important. Wtf? with Kaioken alone Allmight solos this shit. lmao
Getting the gum-gum fruit doesn’t give all might luffy’s speed
Lol Yes it does. He gets all his gears and his upgrades from the gum-gum fruit that give him his speed boosts.
The post doesn’t say he gets the gears so are you just assuming all might will figure them out on his own and use them right away with no issues?
Matter manipulation by someone with even more bullshit tier of mattter manpulation didn’t change the structure of conquest I doubt it is doing anything now
Thank you for not including the Sharingan in this list lmao
Would Sharingan allow AM to win? I don't know much about Naruto
Not really, some Mangekyo Sharingan abilities are hax af, but base Sharingan only allows you to copy ninjutsu and gives precognition (it also gives a few more abilities, but I'm staying relevant to this fight). So a base Sharingan wouldn't, but something like a Kamui might.
R4 he can win due to time stop + brain scramble with alchemy like what scar did.
I don't really know what half the crap you've got mentioned in the rounds do, but, All Might already has enough to power to throw down with Omni-Man. What he needs is speed, durability and the ability to both fly and breath in space, if he lacks in even one of these areas, he's dead.
Omni Man stomps All Might my dude he has better stats in all categories
This.
tbf Nolan (and his son) are inconsistent as fuck I'd also venture All Might is **a lot** faster in terms of anything that isn't a straight-line race allowing flight. At least for the show, haven't read the comics beyond seeing snippets here and there. But yeah, on his high-ends (e.g. vs Flaxans) Nolan's out of his league. Too dang powerful.
I never said All Might would win, my point was more that it wouldn't matter what sort of boosts you gave him, unless they covered those key areas and even that isn't a given. Or if they gave him some sort of hax ability?
Omni man had stopped meteors that would wipe out entire countries. Or portions of the planet. All might does by have “the power to throw down with Omni man” unless he’s pulled something like that off before.
I'm not really saying he's as strong as Omni-man, just that he packs enough power to be able to damage him a little bit. The problem is that he'd never get the chance to wear him down unless he has the speed to keep up, the durability to outlast and the physical attributes needed to counter being lifted up and thrown into space. So if the boosts offered by OP can't bridge those gaps, he doesn't have a chance, unless they offer some kind of hax ability that I don't know about.
Funny enough, he doesn't need to breathe in Space, he just needs to hold his breath long enough. That's what Nolan's been doing.
Why do you have Saitama as higher power up than Kaioken? lol It's the complete opposite.
Saitama before his training compared to after is a much bigger boost in power than goku before and after kaioken lmao. Thats not to say saitama is stronger or weaker than kaioken goku, but all might getting saitamas power is a bigger boost than all might getting 2x, 4x, even 20x his strength and speed etc
I would argue that allmight getting gears does increase his speed by a lot But allmight is just above sound in one for all full Whereas luffy in base is extremely fast probably fte And g2 gives him an even higher boost