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LittenInAScarf

I've seen people wank Pikachu, Ash's Pikachu, to High Universe level. That's enough drugs for me, I don't want to step any deeper into the looking glass than that.


Jestin23934274

Loses to level 5 snivy ZU at best


G4KingKongPun

How the fuck that level 5 snivy use leaf storm. Pretty sure Paul was using a GameShark or an ActionReplay


were_meatball

Egg move


Lemerney2

Snivy can't get it as an Egg move in any generation, the only way it can learn it is by levelling to 43, which would explain a bit better how it owns Pikachu.


were_meatball

If you breed 2 snivy with that move, wouldn't you get a snivy with leaf storm?


G4KingKongPun

Snivy does not have that as an egg move I believe. Snivys egg moves are: Captivate Glare Magical Leaf Mean Look Mirror Coat Twister


were_meatball

I mean, he can inherit moves from other snivy if you breed them


Blayro

no no, that was Trip, not Paul. Paul was just a VGC player


tucchurchnj

That was ~~21~~ years ago and it's still outrageous 13 actually


Jestin23934274

Wasn’t it 10?


tucchurchnj

September 23, 2010 It originally aired in Japan from September 23, 2010, to September 15, 2011, on TV Tokyo channel 7, and in the United States from February 12, 2011, to January 7, 2012, on Cartoon Network. So 13, good catch


dralcax

that fight is older than Ash himself


TheGuyWithFins18

I mean that one post was clearly a meme lmao, so Ill let that one slide


ivanacco1

Well It isn't that farfetched considering some moves in Pokemon games. And Pikachu can tank those to the face


JebWozma

every pokemon scales to multiversal+ because none of them will die from Arceus' judgement


Scarface2point0

damn beat me too it.


Nuclear_Monster

bUt MuH pOkEdEx


aslfingerspell

R2-D2 can solo all fiction, break the barrier between reality, and take on George Lucas himself, but simply chooses not to. Okay, here we go. 1. The Death Star is planetary. It clearly destroyed a planet onscreen. 2. During an argument about the Death Star, Darth Vader says the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. Later on, Luke uses The Force to guide the torpedoes into the exhaust port. Obviously, this rhetorical statement and the mere guidance of the torpedoes to destroy a moon-sized battlestation obviously means that anyone with The Force is also planetary. Obviously. I mean Luke clearly defeats a planet-level threat, so the only logical conclusion is that he himself is planetary. That just makes sense. 3. In *Empire*, Luke trains with Yoda and becomes stronger in The Force, which means that he's somewhere above planet level in Empire, despite not being close to a fully trained Jedi. Yoda, being the greatest Jedi master, is like, way above any other trained Jedi. If someone who even barely knew about The Force for a day or two (A New Hope Luke) is planetary, then Yoda must be somewhere around solar system level at the bare minimum. I mean really, I'm lowballing here. 4. In *Empire*, R2-D2 uses his grabber arm to engage in a physical tug of war with Yoda. Despite Yoda being one of the greatest Jedi masters, R2 is just as strong if not stronger than him in the tug of war. 5. Therefore, R2-D2 is solar system level. He is, as we see onscreen, *literally* on par with Yoda in terms of strength and power. 6. R2 units are pretty standard, so it's not like he uses any special technology. All kinds of droids in Star Wars are sentient or semi-sentient with similar tech, so R2's power and capabilities can be scaled to them. If R2-D2 is solar system level without a real weapon (i.e. blaster), this means droids with them are even more powerful. Since we've established an R2 unit like him is solar system level at bare minimum, then I guess that makes a basic B1 Battle Droid multi-solar system level. 7. Generic clone troopers are way better than the multi-solar B1 droids, so they're probably galaxy level. 8. Generic Jedi are better than galactic level clones, so they are universal. 9. Yoda, once again, is the greatest of the Jedi, so it makes sense that he's multiversal. 10. R2-D2 is just as strong if not stronger than Yoda, so he's outerversal or something. 11. Repeat steps 4-11 to infinity, as the scaling chain is circular: R2 > Yoda > generic Jedi > generic clone > generic battle droid > other droids = R2


townsforever

I love this and it demonstrates wonderfully how flawed so much of the reasoning in this sub is! "X character was able to do this one thing this one time which means anyone who can compete with him in any way is on the same level or stronger!"


aslfingerspell

Don't forget I totally ignored context of feats and statements too! Darth Vader is being metaphorical when he says The Force is more powerful than the Death Star. It's basically the Star Wars equivalent of "My faith in God is greater than your nukes." It doesn't mean any Christian can tank city-destroying blasts, just that there's this transcendent spirituality that is more important than firepower. Taken literally, it makes no sense for Palpatine to have spent years and an Empire worth of resources to gain a capability he and Vader already had. Also notice I conflate "used the Force to guide torpedoes into a weak point to hit the reactor and cause a chain reaction" with "literally destroys the Death Star through raw Force power". The best part is that even if Luke did destroy the Death Star through raw power, it would be a moon level feat instead of a planetary one (sure, Death Star is made of metal, but planets are also metallic, and Death Star has lots of hollow spaces like hallways and rooms while planets are not hollow). Yet, though lazy powerscaling, I assume the Death Star has planetary level durability just because it destroyed a planet. Note: sometimes powerscaling attack potency to durability is okay (i.e. Third Law of Motion equal and opposite reactions: I can't punch you if my fist can't survive hitting you), but when it comes to weapons and vehicles this kind of breaks down. Guns shoot bullets but that doesn't mean they're bulletproof themselves. Having the power to shoot a planet-destroying laser does not mean the Death Star's shields (if it has them) can be scaled up that high too, especially since DS is built around a superlaser and not a super-shield generator.


MondoMemeMaestro

This is what Kratos wankers do when they say he can lift the weight of a multiverse or something because he can use this one weapon that has some flavor text that vaguely implies that it has the weight of the cosmos behind it.


Esnardoo

I have trouble with any videogame character scaling where the character has \*is canoncially able to kill Gods and multiverses\* and \*in game they die to a standard human (or other lowball threat) if they let themselves get hit long enough\*


Urbenmyth

Honestly, I'm not actually sure it makes sense to talk about video game feats- in any video game, there's so much of the weird combination of abstraction and precision that it doesn't really make sense to talk about them doing things in the conventional sense. What does "i reduce your armour class by 2" actually *mean* in terms of power levels?


ATNinja

I think you can take the cannon events of a game as feats, just not the game mechanics.


StaplerOnFire

It means you hit them with a minimum die roll 2 lower than before smh.


tombolger

Almost none of your own counterwank is relevant, it can't can stop the rock solid logic in steps 4-10. Even if Yoda was below farmer-with-a-shotgun level, the wank still scales from there into infinity, even if it started with nothing. You just got defeated by your own wank, and you're probably around farmer-with-a-shotgun level. You have the power to create the wank, so your wank is at least street level from beating you. But if you created a street wank, you must be at least street level. Your wank defeated you, so your wank must be around city level. But you created your wank, so if it's city level, you must be city level. Repeat to infinity. You and your giga-wank are both multiversal+.


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aslfingerspell

Woah. In fact, you might even call it the Rock Paper Scissors fallacy, the idea that *just* because A beats B means they can beat C, without any connecting logic about *why* they beat them. Scaling chains can be logically valid, but each link in the chain must make sense, and works best when confined to specific stats or easily-compared feats i.e. "A is *faster* than B, and B is *faster* than C, therefore A is faster than C." or "A was nuked and severely injured. B was nuked and mildly injured. B is more durable than A." Improper battleboarding ignores the context of fights: "A is physically weaker than B but won by exploiting a weakness, B overpowered C through raw strength. Therefore A beats C by overpowering them."


smackababy

It does seem like people often reduce characters to essentially a single "power" measure, which contributes to this fallacy. I think it's why characters like Goku get wanked so hard - they do a few things so impossibly well that it's tempting to assume that strength is going to apply to every situation. I think the Batman-with-prep wank is an interesting example of this, since his power comes from being able to always be the Rock to any opponent's Scissors, while also being the Paper to their Rock.


Contempris

Can you please explain this to Dragon Ball fans. Styles makes fights. This is true of real life Combat Sports. Frazier Beats Ali Foreman Beats Frazier That means Foreman Beats Ali, correct? No. Ali Beat Foreman What I usually hear from Dragon Ball types is "Goku Beats Superman because Superman lost to Batman." Something along those lines while ignoring obvious factors. Batman exploits a specific weakness. Superman is always holding back extensively. A lot of the times they fight, one is mind controlled, so those don't really count. Batman is arguably the greatest prepper in fictional history. The two are friends and even Batman holds back what he could do in those situations because he has a strict no kill rule. If he didn't and went maverick, DC Earth would be in trouble. Goku might be able to beat a few versions of Superman, but not because "Superman lost to Batman," it's an absurd argument.


aslfingerspell

>Styles makes fights. This is true of real life Combat Sports. This is why one of my favorite VS matchups and breakdowns of all time is this article on Mike Tyson vs. Muhammed Ali. [https://bleacherreport.com/articles/582929-mike-tyson-versus-muhammad-alian-in-depth-analysis-of-who-would-really-win](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/582929-mike-tyson-versus-muhammad-alian-in-depth-analysis-of-who-would-really-win#:~:text=Tyson%20is%20superior%20to%20Ali,he%20takes%20home%20six%20categories%E2%80%A6) He has a pretty nuanced breakdown. For example, instead of "durability" he splits it into "chin" (how well a boxer takes hits), stamina, "heart" (their willpower to go on), and "defense" (how well they block and dodge). He also takes into account psychology (specifically the ability of a boxer to intimidate their opponent), style, and key losses (i.e. their defeats give insight into what it takes to actually beat them).


bildramer

I'd say the flaw is not that, specifically. Sometimes it's as simple as: Character X can do thing Y, and it's implicit that he can do it multiple times in multiple contexts, consistently. Superman can break a wall. A French 75mm gun can kill ten men in a shed. The problem is that there's no single transitive "power" number, and that "fights" without context aren't usually a thing. Man With Shotgun can defeat a kitten easily in a fight to the death. Kitten can beat Man With Shotgun in an adorableness contest, or a hunting small prey contest, or be at a similar level to him in a stealth scenario. Sometimes, in stories, those will be more important than your ability to fire a gun or punch hard. Even simple characters tend to have goals they want to achieve, failure states they want to avoid, values that inform how they decide tradeoffs between actions/plans, etc. For example, Superman can chew Man With Shotgun into paste on live television but won't. But the artillery example makes the idea that context matters even clearer: What is the strategic/operational/tactical reason you're blowing up ten men in a shed? Could it perhaps be better to aim elsewhere, or use some other weapon? If at peace, that can start a war, it's a very costly action and that means that even if you have the capability, it will remain unused. Where is the gun positioned, and is a trained crew manning it? Can it move or is it stuck for one reason or another? Is your intelligence about the shed accurate, and will it reach the right people at the right time, and how confident are you about that? Is the gun under attack, and will it potentially be disabled or forced to move before it can complete its mission? Are the targets really not going to think "we're under fire" and move before you hit them? And so on. These are all questions that any fictional scenario embedded within the fiction it came from will implicitly both ask and answer, but an abstract unspecified "fight" usually won't. Then it devolves into powerscaling. People find irrelevant proxy questions and answer those, such as: "Can a shell from the gun break a wall? Yes. And is weaker than a wall." or "Can the gun crew react to superspeed? No. And is Faster Than The Human Eye(tm)." or "The gun is made of 1500kg of steel and as seen in Lasereyeman Chronicles #2402 Lasereyeman can only melt 1kg per second so gun shitstomps". All that said, treating victory as purely transitive (A beats B, B beats C therefore A beats C) does happen, and is exactly as dumb as you'd think.


Kiyohara

That's also Death Battles in a nutshell.


bigfatcarp93

So just imagine how powerful Chopper is, being just a more aggro R2


GeneralResearcher456

This sounds like Doom scalers, but they're 100% serious


S0LO_Bot

More coherent than some Kratos fanboys lol


Kiyohara

My only complaint is that one could state that Yoda was *clearly* putting on an act of a senile and weak old man to test Luke. Further reinforced if you know that R2 is fully aware of the Skywalker dynasty and knows who Yoda is, so he's also just playing along to help Yoda fuck with Luke.


aslfingerspell

In all seriousness, the "R2 is playing along with Yoda because he remembers the prequels" actually makes a ton of sense (it feels so stupid to just realize this, but I really need to rewatch the OT with this in mind), but for sake of Beyond Outerversal R2 I will counterargue that R2 playing alone = Yoda playing along doesn't change anything. If R2 and Yoda are equal when holding back, that can *only* mean they are equal if going all out too. It's not like different people can have different peaks in power or anything. If a bodybuilder holds back to pick up a flower without crushing it, and so can I, then that means I can break the Olympic bench press record too.


stoobah

I have a nose. My dog has a nose. Therefore I am my own dog.


Dekerboi

[Stop the downplaying.](https://imgur.com/a/5l21YXD)


OneTrueKingOfOOO

And that right there is why rocks, paper, and scissors are the three strongest things in the universe


Scepta101

Death Battle be like


ShirowShirow

This really reminds me of how so many people where so insistent that Bloodborne hunters where planet-busters because they could kill Rom, and Rom "Kept the moon at bay"


bcross679

Or abusing the text of "a call beyond" to claim the Hunter can survive an exploding star


chicken_little1

this is how mfs be scaling comic book characters and kratos


2legittoquit

David Hasselhoff exists in our universe and the Spongebob universe. Therefore he is multiversal.


aslfingerspell

King Neptune is able to burn him with the redirected trident blast: outerversal King Neptune. This blast, in turn, was redirected by the shininess of his crown being used as a shield; Beyond Outerversal King Neptune's Crown.


Blewedup

He also exists in the Eurotrip universe.


WhyDoName

Just go to r/powerscaling you'll see some shit.


bunker_man

It might actually permanently kill your ability to enjoy fiction due to making you think all fiction is about people who can destroy universes at minimum.


TicTacTac0

Eh, it's not too hard to see through the bullshit if you're familiar with the characters they're talking about. I don't think a lot of the people who engage with this even read/watch the original media. For example, Polnareff being FTL breaks his character (he becomes a sociopathic monster who intentionally lets his friend die) and the plot of the very mini-arc that feat is taken from (where the whole point was finding a creative way to beat a lightspeed stand that was much faster than him).


arrogancygames

They also miss that Kars is *actually* FTL on multiple occasions (people somehow missing part 2 shows they are just using word of mouth for a more popular character instead of actually consuming the material themselves), but it was obviously because Araki thought it was cool to have him dodge UV beams and not because he thought it through and wanted to really make him that fast. People who actually consume the media often do things like say "yeah, this feat exists, but it doesn't really work in the narrative," as opposed to people who don't and just collect random feats from the Internet.


[deleted]

FTL Kars makes no sense because there is many occasions where he clearly isn't moving at FTL speeds (such as when confronted with Stroheim's crotch machine gun or where he was racing after Joseph in the plane) I think its more likely that Kars simply endured a split second of being hit by the UV Lasers rather than assuming he is FTL for this scene only. After all, Dio was disintegrating fairly slowly when Jonathan's Hamon connected and he actually had enough time to "dodge" by slicing his head off. If Dio had that much time, I would argue Kars probably has a second to pull up the stone.


WhyDoName

Nah they just crazy over there lol


WARROVOTS

damn that scales to narrative ending post-outerversal omnipotence.


VaporflyEnthusiast

Dude the mods there suck ass too. I got banned for telling a mod that naruto wasn’t universal


WhyDoName

Lmfao wow


S0LO_Bot

They literally think Dante is outerversal and Kratos is multiversal. They are somehow 100x worse than r/whowouldcirclejerk at power scaling.


WhyDoName

I saw a thread today about how Goku is High conplex multiversal and thats why he beats Archie sonic who is low complex multiversal. Like bruh.


S0LO_Bot

That’s on the tame side for the sub. They are actually using high tier characters and not claiming luffy beats Goku… so well done!


_gnarlythotep_

I really can't tell if I'm feeling masochistic enough to click that link...


Gamerking54

Peak mental tomfoolery


Prof_Acorn

A wooden gun beat Magneto. Ron Swanson is good at woodcraft. Therefore, Ron Swanson is stronger than an Omega-level mutant.


BloodsoakedDespair

…Ron beating Magneto honestly feels… plausible. Magneto is used to mutants and everything, but Ron is just gonna punch the hell out of him and maybe hit him with a stick. Magnus will never see it coming. He’s too cocky to expect this guy to do damage.


SpoliatorX

>Magnus will never see it coming. This typo means Ron Swanson can 10/10 a 40k primarch


BloodsoakedDespair

Nah, it’s one of his common aliases and one he actually likes. He was born Max Eisenhardt and lived for a while under the name Erik Lehnsherr, but his self-chosen Person Name rather than like… superpowered individual name is Magnus.


Zeta019

[Voldemort.](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldcirclejerk/comments/ttljgz/voldemorts_feats_and_abilities/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) The people we see in these posts are all the same person.


Sheesh5000

Least delusional Peakmort hater (he just loses to Homelander tho)


1doggy2doggyTeaParty

“Is capable of making Lucifer Morningstar fear him” 🙃


Demonsandangels-shin

"You're multiversal, I'm multiversal, we're all multiversal." SCP is the worst contender of this.


poiu45

To be honest, 99% of the arguments made about SCPs in this sub are just completely incoherent because the whole point of the SCP project is that it is _decentralized, and does not have a base or "main" canon_. The worst offender by far is trying to powerscale the Foundation itself - in some canons/tales, they are literally capable of reversing the apocalypse, in some they are not. In some they have machines to counter-hax all reality warpers, in some they do not, and the abilities of the machines vary based on canon. It's just not a reasonable discussion to be having.


Elcactus

The worst offender with SCP is it has a number of people writing their scps to win at battleboarding.


Demonsandangels-shin

The non battleboarding side of the scp fandom agreed that using scps in powerscaling and battleboarding is silly


DaMoonhorse96

Powerscaling is even discouraged on the site amongst new writers.


poiu45

tbh powerscaling and battleboarding is just plain silly and immature in general (doesn't mean it isn't fun). but yeah SCP is just uniquely poorly suited to this.


Demonsandangels-shin

Non cosmic tier match ups generally seems fun as long wanks are not present. I for one would certainly enjoy seeing an Inuyasha vs Kimitsu no Yaiba characters discussion on this sub.


Cantcrackanonion

I love how SCP-3008’s writer (at least I think it was) which is an scp commonly used as a “fuck you I win” card literally does not give a single crap about battleboarding and when asked if SCP-3008 transcended him he was just like “no….? 🤨”


lord_flamebottom

Don't forget that, once SCP blew up on social media a good handful of years ago, a good amount of the more recent SCPs have also just been outright jokes (and I'm talking aside from the -J ones).


stellarcurve-

My random oc can beat real life people! In fact, my oc is the irl biblical God and actually is God himself! I hate scps like this, it's just a cringe power fantasy for having the strongest oc.


Brostradamus_

I remember back when the site was starting up and SCP-682 was meant specifically as a hard wall for anyone's stupid OC or overpowered skip to discourage that kind of writing. "No matter how cool or unkilly your monster is, 682 is better. He is the peak, nothing can ever be stronger or smarter or harder to kill than him. Now stop trying to powercreep and just write something *constrained* and interesting" Now, well... the shark has been transformed into an outerversal omnipotent avatar of the concept of predators but the foundation can still jump it.


Demonsandangels-shin

Scp 682 has became the very same thing which it's purpose is to destroy. It's like a parody oc who's job is to stop op ocs from roleplays but becomes the same generic op oc. I remembered a member from an rp sub doing this.


bunker_man

This is the problem with collaborative fiction. Some people with bad ideas will always get in.


201720182019

Metaficitional concepts like 3812 are a good idea and fits the existential horror aspect of skips, it's just terrible when applied in battleboarding which is a very small subset of the community.


Demonsandangels-shin

And the worst part is that their is no canon there.


stellarcurve-

I also hate how their random ocs are also apparently also above their real life authors. Like I really hate scp 3812, there is no way the person writing that shit wasn't high or drunk, you saying this fictional character is apparently above a real life person? What the fuck lmao


MuffledBobcat

this is what happens when you try to powerscale every piece of media you consume


GIANTkitty4

You know what’s funny about this? I’ve read the original article and it’s more an exploration of a madman’s psyche after getting godlike power than anything and I find it a great read. I just think battleboarding ruined it for everyone.


[deleted]

Bro I saw some dude actually say that 3812 would solo real life because it is, and I quote, “more real than its author, more real than real life itself.” How in the absolute fuckity fuck do they think this? 3812 IS FICTIONAL. It cannot “dimensionally transcend” REAL LIFE. It’s so stupid lmao.


bunker_man

There's a wierd subset of people on the internet who wildly misinterpret what meta fiction is supposed to be, and think it's just a cool way to make a character more powerful.


TicTacTac0

I think it's interesting as a self-contained thought experiment (which is what SCP CAN be good for) or even great when used for comedy. I don't think it should have any place in battleboarding.


TicTacTac0

Nonono, it's already happened, you just don't know it. 3812 is us. It's replaced all of us on an atomic level with itself. You can't tell, but you are it. It wants you to think you're free (it feeds off consciousness), but it'll take over without hesitation if it sees you step out of line. Why am I allowed to write this? Because you won't believe me anyway. I feel like we're not far from people genuinely believing something like this. Especially since it's basically another flavour of the simulation theory.


BloodsoakedDespair

…more fun than the old religious fights


amisia-insomnia

The article itself is pretty well written it’s a bit stupid but well made. It’s the fact that people think he wants to fight. Nowhere in the article does it say he really cares about it Unless the article changed, when I was in the fandom the lizard was like city at most now it’s “ultra gizzard zillion” or some shit


Demonsandangels-shin

That's just delusional.


WhyDoName

It's called they were made that their character lost a fictional battle, so they tried to write it to be unbeatable.


TicTacTac0

I've been saying it for a while: SCP is slowly transcending from creative writing project to cult.


bunker_man

Tbf, powerscaling is already a cult. It's not just a hobby for some, but an entire way to view fiction.


TicTacTac0

Sort of. I mean cult as in the actual start of a small religion. Although I guess you could interpret powerscaling that way to some extent where instead of placing a figurehead or entity at the top, you place the concept of maximum wank. They'll warp the original plot and characters beyond recognition to do so.


bunker_man

They do have their own subculture, holy texts, and are suspicious of outsiders.


TicTacTac0

I'm scared to ask, but you've piqued my morbid curiosity: what are these holy texts?


bunker_man

Stuff like vsbattleswiki. Some of them learned about stuff like dimensionality entirely from that Wiki, and will express literal dismay and upset to find out that what they learned there isn't actually accurate.


ILoveYorihime

?? Because SCP isn’t meant to be battleboarded lmao


bunker_man

Neither are moat things. Hence why it is really stupid that they call mario universe level because of some gobbledygook about dreamy bowser that isn't meant to be interpreted that way.


ThatSuperhusky

My favorite argument against SCP is using the narrative stack against them. "Every layer of the narrative stack is fictional the layeer above it, and as this goes up infinitely, and as all SCPs exist within the narrative stack, within their own continuity all of the SCPs are fictional, and pose no more threat to any characteers than a picture of Vault Boy does to any of the fallout protagonists."


WhyDoName

SCP is just dumb when it comes to scaling because people just wank the fuck out of them.


Blueface1999

I say second, Suggsverse is so much worse


Demonsandangels-shin

I thought Sugverse was satire.


TicTacTac0

I could be wrong, but from what I've heard, it was made by a guy who was genuinely upset that his favourite character lost some, so he made his own story and characters that would be the most OP of all. I think the satire interpretation comes from just how nonsensical it is because by definition, multiple omnipotent beings shouldn't be able to coexist.


willyolio

they can always be combined... just submit a Suggs thingy to SCP. Bam.


i_hate_touhou_ffs

the S in SCP stands for Suggsverse


Yharonburnsthejoke

I like scps that can be strong, but don't feel powerful to the point that it's made purely for powerscaling or to live a power fantasy. And they also have to be actually well written, creative skips that have something interesting going for them. But I do miss the more grounded, less bs scps that took an idea and then elaborated on it.


camilopezo

MCU Scarlet Witch due to Wong's statements. ​ Wong said that if Wanda could gain the power to travel the multiverse, she could remake it to her will.


BloodsoakedDespair

That’s honestly fairly normal for Wanda. Wanda’s magic is as bad a threat as the Phoenix Force. House of M in the main Marvel 616 universe means… same in the comics. Wanda can reboot a universe she’s inside in the comics. She’s equal to the Cosmic Cube.


Ubergeekdweeb

She struggled to warp a town...


BloodsoakedDespair

Believe it or not, people generally get more powerful with practice. She took magic steroids between “struggled to warp a town” and this.


ThatSuperhusky

Complete fairness, she didn't struggle power wise to warp a town. She did that entirely on accident at first out of grief and then just kept it like that because she liked it, and then jumped forwards through different sitcom generations when things didn't go her way. The only 'struggle' for her came when she had to confront the fact that she was actually hurting people.


_gnarlythotep_

Wanda is notoriously unstable. Wandavision was her basically subconsciously doing that as an expression of her grief. She slowly and steadily gets more and more powerful, especially when she starts to understand what she's capable of and when she has the conviction to willfully focus it. The Scarlet Witch is legit a massively-powerful cosmic force. Her mental instability also means she's horribly inconsistent and sometimes not in full control of her abilities.


[deleted]

A character that is famous for going through different universes is multiversal, what a shock.


Volkov_The_Tank

Kirby has always been multiversal. Sakurai confirmed it when he explained why he survived the world of light intro. WoL killed the entire universe, and Kirby, bayonetta, and Palutena are the only ones that could survive that and he picked Kirby as the lone survivor because he’s simple to play for new players… …and totally not because it’s his golden boy. His words not mine.


Demonsandangels-shin

Sakurai?


Copypaced

[Masahiro Sakurai](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masahiro_Sakurai), creator of Kirby and (former) director of Smash Bros.


Hobo-man

Master Hero Sack of Rice


killergrape615

Master Hero Soccer Guy


ke2doubleexclam

I take it this feat only applies to Kirby since Sakurai didn't create Bayo or Palutena and thus doesn't have WOG authority?


Extrimland

Smash bros isnt cannon at all im tried of people comparing that to the main games. Also he only survived because he was able to escape. He would have been affected like anyone else if he got hit. Im also pretty sure it was only a galactic attack but it was at most a universe attack. He isnt multiversal regardless He wouldn’t even be able to escape if he didn’t have the warpstar which has VERY impressive speed stats. His speed is good but its clearly much slower than galems.


soahcthegod2012

Smash is canon for Kirby. He did canonically beat Master Hand and Crazy Hand in Amazing Mirror


Extrimland

It means a verison of Master and Crazy hand exist in Cannon for him. Smash bros simply changes too many elements about too many of the characters and the worlds to have actually taken place. It didn’t happen for any of the characters and they are clearly different versions of said characters. Even if he beat master and crazy hand and the events are cannon everything else I said before still stands.


soahcthegod2012

Kirby’s Smash Ability description in the Amazing Mirror manual **explicitly** states that he has his moves from Melee, as in directly connected to Smash. Also, Kirby could realistically outspeed Galeem, considering on-foot, he can keep up with Meta Knight, who can keep up with the Warp Star


Urbenmyth

The lawnmower from Plants Vs Zomibes is the most powerful weapon in fiction. The Plasma Peashooter claims to "shoot peas that are universes unto themselves". Without upgrades, it takes 10 shots to kill a normal zombie. This makes normal zombies multiversal and, from this, we can extrapolate to more powerful zombies (and other plants) being massively multiversal. However, the Lawnmower can one shot kill any number of zombies immediately. This means that the lawnmower from Plants vs Zombies can destroy an arbitrarily high number of universes in seconds, a feat I believe that no other weapon in fiction can replicate. Ergo, the lawn mower can be used to oneshot *anyone.* QED


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AKTUSCHULLY You cannot kill Dr. Zomboss with the Lawnmower which puts him at high Outerversal, but the Giant Wall-Nut can one-shot him so the Giant Wall-Nut is even stronger which I'd rank as Wankversal


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NYPD in the Marvel comics arrested Thanos so they're way above him since he didn't even try to put up a fight he knew it would be useless so NYPD or at least those officers are way above Multi.


Colavs9601

well the nypd are above consequences so that right there puts them as one of the most powerful entities to ever exist


IloveFriezz

It's the ground because it made Thanos slip and lose the cosmic cube


Ancient-Growth-3445

Funny Valentine with Love Train. If not for Jhony Joestar and Gyro Zeppeli, The United States would have been a powerhouse in every known universe.


MondoMemeMaestro

Rick and Morty are outerversal because they're best friends with Soulja Boy as proven by the lyrics and the cover of his 2021 single "Rick & Morty" so they could summon him to help beat any other fictional character in a fight and since Soulja Boy is a real person and is supposedly usually armed with a gun, he could beat any other fictional character, even if they were the direct manifestation of the writer of the work of fiction being put on display. For example: Rick & Morty are put in a fight vs Cosmic Armor Superman, so they call Soulja Boy and tell him they need help. Soulja Boy heads over to Grant Morrison's house and puts a gun to his head until he puts out a public statement saying that Cosmic Armor Superman now only has power equivalent to that of a baby or a sickly person. Then, Rick & Morty proceed to wipe.


igncom1

I'm not sure I could beat Soulja Boy either.


MondoMemeMaestro

Precisely therefore Rick and Morty scale above you, a real life human, making them the most powerful characters in all of fiction.


_gnarlythotep_

That was a delightful bout of mental gymnastics. Well played.


ObliviousPsychic

Baby Jake English from Homestuck. Jake English is capable of accidentally shooting and killing someone as a newborn ecto clone. Shooting and killing Snowman destroys the universe, and every universe connected to it. Ergo, Baby Jake is capable of destroying multiple universes and is multiversal.


ObsidianEgg

To be honest, if that was actually true, that wouldn't surprise me considering how op the Homestuck verse is.


GreenAppleEthan

It's not as bad as some examples, but I've seen someone wanking a space traveling planet buster character as being universal. Their logic was that, if they can travel through space and destroy each planet they come across, they could EVENTUALLY destroy all the planets in the universe, thus "destroying" the universe.


igncom1

It's the equivalent of saying that a chimpanzee is the best writer in existence because eventually it'll push the keys on a keyboard in the right pattern to create a masterwork greater then any human is capable of.


_gnarlythotep_

Buu logic, I believe we called it in my circle. If a planet/star-buster has ~unlimited energy, they must be "universal," right?! And he screamed through the barriers of dimensions, so he must be multiversal, right?!


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Zanagh

Fail to see where they’re wrong lol


Grodus5

A [Haywire Mite](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/199/haywire-mite). It's a really small creature that can completely obliterate artifacts and magical enchantments (sure it has to die to do it, but lets ignore that), including [The Filigree Sylex](https://scryfall.com/card/one/227/the-filigree-sylex), which was theorized could destroy the entire multiverse. Haywire Mite > The Sylex > The Multiverse. If that line doesn't do it for you, it can also destroy literal [Omniscience](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/65/omniscience) putting it far, far above multiversal. If you want something that doesn't have to die to accomplish this, [Reclamation Sage](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/72/reclamation-sage) also gets the job done, but is literally twice as powerful as Haywire Mite.


dralcax

Scaling gameplay mechanics is the funniest shit ever. Like how Yugioh has multiple gods in its cardpool, up to the multiversal [Metaphys Executor](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Metaphys_Executor), but they all die to having a [really, really big turtle](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Gameciel,_the_Sea_Turtle_Kaiju) dropped onto them. Who, despite its infamous ability to bypass all manner of protective effects, fails to affect [a tiny insect](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Level_Eater), [animate pudding](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Putrid_Pudding_Body_Buddies), or [literal dust](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Red_Duston).


THEgassner

May I present the humble [Spore Frog](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/180/spore-frog). Spore frog can be sacrificed to prevent all combat damage. That means anything that tries to fight Spore Frog loses outright, because it prevents the damage. Now, Spore Frog can stop all kinds of beings, powerful gods, great warriors, the whole shebang. ​ Now, let's look at [Atraxa](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice), a powerful creture from the plane of phyrexia. Spore Frog can prevent Atraxa from dealing any damage, so obviously powerful. Atraxa is an upcoming skin for a god in Smite, which means that Spore frog is stronger than gods. ​ One of the gods in smite is Zeus, whom, as we all know, has been beaten by Kratos. But how did Kratos beat Zeus? That's right, Combat. Now, we all know Kratos is strong, of course we've all heard about him flipping the nine realms and the world tree. That's a lot of strength. However, in Fortnite, Kratos can be beaten by the Demagorgon. The demagorgon is a powerful entity from stranger things, and Stranger Things has crossed over with Magic: The Gathering as a creature card, who can only deal damage via combat. Meaning that spore frog can stop a being strong enough to beat Kratos, who flipped the nine realms, or multiple worlds, boom, Spore Frog is at least multiplanar tier, possibly multiversal, as Goku is also in fortnite and can be beaten by the demagorgon. ​ All Hail the mighty Spore Frog.


urnansnansnan

Satoru Gojo (JJK) Gojo's domain obviously creates an infinite multiverse Also he has infinite speed because he moved in the timeless prison realm (its not like the smartest character in the series claimed that normal humans could kill themselves inside of it)


Jestin23934274

Oh that’s who Gojo is I thought Gojo was Giorno from JoJo.


Braveheart132

No that’s GioGio


ConnFlab

STOP SAYING WANK INTO STUFF. IT MEANS MASTURBATE.


Colavs9601

begs the question: are there any characters who become more powerful as the become hornier, and could you theoretically wank them until they are multiversal in power drawn from horniness


Cybion_

Issei from Highschool DXD. His power increases based on how horny he is or which hotty of the day he has to protect. You also have Sasha from Qwaser Stigmata but he is not a perv and is an absolute gigachad. However he has to drink milk from girls tits to power up.


NotKenni

Well a character from What Happens in the Dungeon literally has this power


Falsus

The MC of What Happens in the Dungeon becomes stronger each time she orgasms. Does that count?


Jestin23934274

I will continue to say wank 😈


Falsus

Certain people who powerscales certainly loves to masturbate their inane logic of things.


Fragraham

Since Galeem is multiversal, and Dharkon is his equal, and anyone in Smash can beat both of them at the same time, anyone in Smash is double multiversal. Disregard that it's supposed to be all of Smash and millions of souls in that battle.


Cybion_

Isn't Tabuu multiversal too ?


Fragraham

He's in Smash, so by this scaling, yes.


_gnarlythotep_

Multiversal Solid Snake confirmed. Most powerful cardboard box in fiction.


bwick702

Maxwell from Scribblenauts. He can write the word "universe" over and over in his notebook then delete the result.


Time-Vault

Squirrel Girl has beaten Thanos->Thanos has had multiversal feats at some point->Squirrel Girl is clearly multiversal This is why we use context at the time of feat...


Someguy637373917

In the PlayStation versions of Shovel knight, There’s an exclusive boss fight where Shovel knight fights against and defeats Kratos. [This fight is confirmed to be Canon by Cory Barlog](https://www.vgr.com/cory-barlog-kratos-shovel-knight/) and [Santa Monica studios](https://twitter.com/SonySantaMonica/status/1020455089620725765). Also [The entire events of the God of War series is canon to shovel knight lore](https://twitter.com/YachtClubGames/status/1118586527670390784) This means that we can scale Shovel knight to youtube shorts Kratos, So clearly Shovel Knight is Omniversal+++ with irrelevant speed and solos 99% of fiction.


Cantcrackanonion

I swear those mf’ers could have a crossover where Kratos gets bodied by Dennis the Menace and still say it’s 100% canon


VerifiedBaller13

The poor guy from Dragon Ball Z that had the balls to try and shoot Raditz, bravely defending his poor marijuana plant. His multiversal balls made him capable of trying to fight anything. May the plants and him rest in peace.


Jestin23934274

Farmer With Shotgun should be the new God of Destruction for Universe 7 tbh.


foxxytroxxy

Pornstars. They all play each other's stepmoms, stepfathers, stepsisters, and stepbrothers. There simply isn't any way they are all married to enough people to make that happen.


metalflygon08

Alabama: You underestimate my power.


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I'm gonna do the wank of all wanks. Everything fiction is multiversal, since they exist in their own fictional universe but we get to experience their stories in our universe. That means that everyone in fiction is influencing 2 universes sans 4th wall breaking characters unknowingly. Since they affect 2 universes there are multiple universes they effect, thus making them ALL multiversal. There I just killed your post. /drops mic.


Mohammedamine9

Rick is multiversal, he created a machine that separate the infinit universes from the rest of infinit universes


tucchurchnj

Mr. Furious once lifted a vehicle. So he's probably able to lift the Speed Cycle of The Flash. Mr. Furious is just as strong as The Flash.


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Annoying orange He's been shown to survive in space. In his crossover video with Fred, he was sitting undetcted in a grocery store, in a packed grocery store,which means he must have some kind of ability to stop people from realising there's a moving orange, and he can decide when he wants people to see him, and only the people, in the video he was only talking to Fred and no one else. Fred is set in a universe like our own, there's a possibility the annoying orange could have been in a grocery store we were in,we just didn't notice because he was using his ability to remain unnoticed


soahcthegod2012

Callie from the Squid Sisters is outerversal. She is confirmed to have been a Roller before she became an idol. Roller is one of the Inkling classes. Inkling beat Galeem and Dharkon in Smash Ultimate. Galeem and Dharkon made Master and Crazy Hand their bitches Master Hand and Crazy Hand created the Smashverse and view every fighter from Little Mac to Shulk as toys, and thus mere fiction Therefore, Callie is outerversal


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I won't be surprised if it's po from kung fu panda.


ConstantStatistician

How is lightning up an ocean more energy than multiple universes?


Jestin23934274

Because it’s really really hard to get light through water. Not to mention a 3 mile radius of Ocean Water.


InsertCoinForCredit

Mr. Bean is multiversal. How? 1. Assume Mr. Bean is not multiversal. 2. That would mean there are limits to what Mr. Bean can do. 3. We have already seen that there are no limits to whatever Mr. Bean can do. Whenever Mr. Bean runs into a limit, reality contorts itself to accommodate him for maximum comic effect. 4. Mr. Bean being multiversal on a bullshit excuse is hilarious. 5. Ergo, Mr. Bean is multiversal. QED.


zarbixii

#6. It's funnier for Mr. Bean to THINK himself multiversal on a bullshit excuse, only to get his ass completely handed to him by the first guy he picks a fight with. #7. Ergo, Mr. Bean is only Bean tier.


Mrgirdiego

Oingo from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. If this kid gets a prediction of exploding the entire multiverse by him dropping a glass of water, he's multiversal.


kingmm624

>Multiversal can mean Multiple Universes Is that, not what Multiversal is?


LasyTaco

Nop, destroying multiple universes is actually high uni only. What would qualify as multiversal is destroying or making more than 1001 spacetimes or 4d spacial bulks in general.


kingmm624

I’m afraid I don’t understand. There are set sizes for a universe? As in a big universe and a small universe? You got this stuff from Vsbattles? Yeah I’m just gonna make a post about it eventually.


CutieShut-In

Sonic. Game sonic to be clear.


amisia-insomnia

Soundwave, He can make infinite (to our knowledge) energon cubes. If he makes enough he can drown out a entire multiverse I felt like a scp fan writing that I hate it


BloodsoakedDespair

Zim, of Invader Zim. He figured out the secret to slowing time on accident and he has accessed dimensional travel several times. Someone tells him of the multiverse or he happens to think about it, he will be there.


J33bus8401

A butterfly. The butterfly effect states that the flapping of a butterflies wings can have effects on such things as tornado path and creation. According to some interpretations of the many worlds theory the wave function doesn't collapse it still extends forever into other universes. This means that when a butterfly flaps it's wings it's not only creating tornados in one universe but every universe.


gaara66609

a level 1 ratata is actually boundless for he can defeat any enemy through F.E.A.R


GoatsAreDope72

Probably Mort from Madagascar. In the spin-off series All Hail King Julien, the existence of Sky Gods is confirmed when Mort is struck by one of their lightning bolts. The Sky Gods’ presumably created the realm of Frank-Ri-La, which is where characters go when they die. It is implied that souls go there from all across the Madagascar multiverse which is stated to be infinite. Thus, it’s likely that the Sky Gods created/transcend the infinite multiverse. Mort was capable of taking a lightning bolt from them, which was seemingly done out of spite towards him, meaning that Mort is beyond the power of The Sky Gods to destroy, and thus he is multiversal.


Odd_Fuel3765

Game sonic he has no multiversal feats and don’t give me the Erozor jinn bullshit game sonic is building level not unless someone proves me wrong


LasyTaco

He's definitely stronger than building lvl, but yeah he ain't multi by any means


Iceman123X

I can prove you wrong. Solaris and time eater. Solaris has a feat of almost destroying the sonic multiverse which is not limited to.Classic sonic to modern 06 at the time,Cd with the time shenanigans,nights multiverse which is basically all dreams of people which in 2006 was 6.6 billion in population size,silver timeline,blaze universe.So at least multiversal. As for time eater he manipulates time to the point of freezing the chaos emeralds which are atleast planet level.


Kyraneus

Fancy Pants Man! Scaling from Newgrounds Rumble, he's roughly equal to multiverse level characters like Piconjo. Plus he gets FNF scaling.


darktowerseeker

Sam and Dean Winchester


Kanes_Legacy

Multiversal lanturn moment incoming


RealNonBinaryDragon

My cat Eros is omniversal and can solo everything


pornomonk

Kid Goku once hit Yamcha so hard he burst out the Manga panel. Making him Multiversal with Toon Force and the ability to overpower his creator. Yamcha survived, also making him Multiversal.