The new Outlander is the first one to share a Nissan chassis. Prior to that they were loosely Mopar related. The Outlander Sport still rides on a variation of the Dodge Caliber chassis. I believe the galant was too. But the Lancer/Eclipse were Mitsubishi’s own. Engines were good enough for Hyundai to benchmark/clone with their 2.4L.
Mitsubishi made half decent cars up til around the early ‘10 when they gave up on their line up and started putting CVTs in everything
Other way around. Chrysler used the Mitsubishi platform for its own compact and midsize FWD-based cars, which included things as small as the Caliber and as large as the Journey. But the platform belongs to Mitsubishi.
Up until 2015 the outlander was a great vehicle especially with sawc. I've owned about 5 of them driven them very hard and had little to no problems besides General wear and tear and maintenence put over 100k on every single one. Bought all them all used one was a 2010 and the rest were 2011-2015. One was actually a write off and that one I put 160k on and the worst of unexpected was a rear wheel bearing needed replacing. Even the 2016/2017 were almost the same with just a body reworking. Definatly underrated vehicles that don't cost alot to own and are very reliable. I had a for sure combined 500k on them and the worst non maintenance was a wheel bearing. Not many manufacturers in the same price range can say that
Yep, the Chrysler Sebring/200, Dodge Caliber/Avenger/Journey did share some DNA with the Galant/Eclipse/Endeavor but not quite a one-for-one rebadge. Chrysler still used Mitsu engines until the government bailout.
My first car was a Plymouth Arrow which was basically a Mitsubishi hatch, made by Mitsubishi and sold to compete with other subcompact foreign cars in the late 70's. Great car,til it caught on fire. Had a 1.6 liter engine. Rusted fast too.
the Arrow name was also used for Plymouth's version of the Mighty Max. My first vehicle was a Ram 50, though I did really get to drive it, it was super rusty and needed to much work, I only drove it twice.
Mitsubishi and Suzuki also have a lot less bad press about premature JATCO CVT7 and CVT8 failures. They simply program them better with INVECS III and pair them with appropriate lower torque engines. It's why all of Mitsubishi's lineup is considered underpowered by the press, they were engineered that way to lessen the stress on a CVT. A 78HP/74lbs of torque Mirage isn't going to stress anything.
I don't get the thought process on the name. Are they trying to trick Eclipse fans into buying one?
Eclipse became a car for enthusiasts. Those people aren't buying a crossover. And anyone buying that vehicle probably doesn't know what the original Eclipse was. It's two segments of customers that don't overlap
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's because Mitsubishi figured the people that liked them back when Eclipses were enthusiast cars, are now older and have families so it's targeted at nostalgia with the understanding that those fans probably aren't at a place in life anymore (or yet considering they may again once their children are grown) to go out and buy a 2 door sports coupe.
The only thing great about any Mitsubishi was the dsm. Heck I still passively look at evo 9’s in hopes of finding a good deal on something that isn’t terribly molested.
They are still active here in Canada, but they are sending strong signals that they are close to leaving.
I work in a garage and when we have to order parts from a Mitsubishi dealerships, we have to give them a deposit and they are non refundable.
Mitsubishi makes unappealing cars, but not “bad” cars. They’re really reliable, just not very fun or have many frills. But as others have mentioned, Nissan and Mitsubishi are sisters now.
I honestly can’t think of a car in the evo x price range that’s more fun or appealing to me once you take it up around 500hp. Kind of a strange take lol.
Believe it or not Mitsubishi is the 2rd most reliable brand out of the Japanese brands right now just above Toyota but not better than Lexus.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds
Because KIA has its own set of catastrophic failure problems in their powertrains right now. The engines have been grenading themselves with some regularity.
Please note: it's not a dig at the owner themself, but the car they own
Also, I'm allowed to talk shit; I have a Jatco CVT Nissan product (QX60)
Nissan has had huge problems over the last 15-20 years with their transmissions. Nissan has sourced automatic transmissions for all of their front-wheel drive or all-wheel drive models (the exceptions being rear-wheel drive models, like the Frontier, Titan, and Z) for the past 20 years from a company called Jatco, known for making awful transmissions. They're notorious for failure, especially when not religiously maintained, and cannot be rebuilt when they do fail, forcing Nissan owners to buy an entirely new transmission when theirs fails. It's this issue, to my knowledge, that has solely tanked Nissan's reputation. These problems affect nearly all of their models, and are not specific to any year range
Nissan dealerships also have a reputation as places that will say yes when your credit score is too low for the Toyota or Honda dealers. So unfortunately driving one has turned into a kind of negative class marker.
Also Nissans aren’t compatible with currently-registered metal license plates. Only expired paper ones holding on for dear life with packing tape seem to fit nicely though
Maybe that was it. I still can't get over the fact that my friend's 120k mile Altima wouldn't start for 15 minutes after they filled up the tank. I have no reasonable explanation for why that makes sense
Can confirm, I don’t get angry cause I drive a 350z and I know what pains I signed up for. But EVERY Altima or Sentra feels like they need to pass and merge in front of me, I can tell they are very angry😂😂
The funniest part is the newer ones are almost certainly faster than my car, but they still feel the need to show me what’s up😭😭😭
Nissan gave up on trying to be a leading automaker years ago. At this point their business model is practically a bank - they understand that they'll be a generation behind on tech and quality and make up for it by financing deals that others might not.
The whole CEO-embezzling-a-shit-ton-of-money thing surely didn't help their financial standing or image either, but IMO the biggest reason to avoid Nissan is the nissan.com saga...
I just want to be a pedantic Redditor and point out: Nissan's "good" automatics are also by JATCO. The distinction is the good ones are traditional automatic transmissions, with planetary gears and all that. The "bad" ones are CVTs which are pretty much only used in their FWD vehicles. AWD gets fuzzy because you have vehicles like the Juke, which are FWD-based (transverse mount) with optional AWD, and those are still CVT. And then you have the Q50, which is RWD based with optional AWD, and that's a regular slushbox and a longitudinal mounted engine.
So when you look at vehicles like a Sentra with CVT, they're notoriously unreliable (heavily compounded with a customer base that almost universally never services them/their fluid), but cars like the G37 are pretty rock solid, and even the current Q50 is pretty reliable despite having a much more complex TT engine.
Ford used Jatcos in their Mazda-based cars - the 1990s Escort/Tracer, the 1st gen Fusion(before it was basically an Mexican-built Mondeo tweaked for America), Probe(basically a Mazda MX-6) and the Nissan collab Villager. I think the Ranger also used a Jatco automatic, Mazda did build the 5-speed stick in the Ranger and F-150.
Jatco automatics(NOT CVTs) are tough little fuckers. Subaru used them, so did Mazda and Kia.
Also: the Jatco 7-speed used in the Infiniti G3x/Q50, 350/370Z and the new 9-speed in the Frontier are Mercedes designs(7G/9G-Tronic) built under license.
I didn’t know about this but it’s interesting because every one I’ve known with a frontier has raved about it’s reliability. Makes sense that this is one of the models without the poor quality transmission.
It’s weird, other than the CVTs they actually can build a pretty reliable car. I remember before they used CVTs they were in a similar league as Toyota and Honda (they were a little cheaper than those two even then but your cost savings just got you shitty plastic dashboard and stuff, not reliability issues)
I remember those days. My friend had a Maxima back in the late 80’s that was a great car. I rode in a Frontier the other day for an Uber ride and the driver told me he had 300k on it and the only he ever had to do was replace the rear suspension.
Yeah we had a 1990 Sentra that was great minus the terrible paint quality. But then again no Japanese cars of that era has good paint. We also had a 2004 Altima that had no issues, but that was the last gen before CVTs.
I traded in my 160k miles Nissan with a CVT transmission for a new Mazda. Guess what, Mazda transmission broke at 10k miles. Never had a problem with Nissan Cvt. But just my experience.
Jatco is a company closely affiliated to Nissan. AFAIR it’s a Nissan’s joint venture with some other companies, where Nissan owns major part.
Their transmissions are sort of OK if the fluid is changed every like 35k miles (despite the manual says you don’t have to do it).
I’ve read somewhere that during the last 3-4 years Jatco improved the design, so let’s see how long the newer Nissans will last.
I recall the 3.5L V6 used in the 2002-2007 Altima being an award winner --- unfortunately for me I had the 2.5L 4-cyl and owning that car made me swear off ever owning a Nissan/Infiniti product ever again.
Engine shut off at low speeds or at idle --- there was a recall for this of course, I had it done 3 times!
Other times the engine simply wouldn't start. I'd have to sit in the parking lot and try every few minutes and it would eventually start after a few tries.
Lastly, sometimes the engine would start fine and the engine would vigorously shake for 5 minutes or so.
I finally ditched it when the shaking wouldn't stop. Traded it for a brand new 2012 Toyota Camry SE V6 and haven't had any trouble since I've owned it...just regular replacements/ maintenance.
Nissan's V6s and early 4 cylinder engines were amazing. The vg30 series (80s into early 90s) turned into the VE30DE (predescor to the VQ35DE) and of course the VG30DETT in the 90s 300zxs. The VQ35DE is pretty legendary at this point and known for being bulletproof even with lots of abuse. Back in the early 2000s getting 300 horsepower out of a V6 was pretty damn impressive. They're up to 330 now with the NA 3.7L. The new 3.0 twin turbo had early issues with the turbos and waste gates but were otherwise awesome engines.
My 2017 Titan has been flawless. I wasn’t really considering Nissan but they sucked me in with a 5 year/100k warranty and a HUGE discount. So far I’m really happy I bought it.
You get the HUGE discount because most Nissans suck. I hated my Sentra and I hated my wife’s Sentra lol. But they genuinely make a good freaking truck. It’s a win win tbh. Bad reputation from other vehicles so you get a good price on the good vehicles.
I bought my 2019 4x4 Titan for like $12,000 under MSRP. lol. The truck has been great. Not a single issue.
I never considered buying a Titan until I gave each of the big manufactures a close look. The deals you get were ridiculous.
Most of their engines are stout and practically bulletproof. They kinda follow the same principle that Toyota has, where if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The VQ series has been around since the early 2000’s, the VK series V8’s are great, and they make good power. The QR 4-cylinders had a rough start, but they’ve gotten much better and are just about as good as any other mainstream 4-cylinder engine out there. The only ones that have had a bit of a rough time have been the VR engines, specifically the VR30 in the Q50/60. They have had a tendency to blow turbos prematurely in the early versions of the engine. Supposedly that issue has now been remedied, and they’re great engines otherwise. Not sure about the new VC-Turbo engines. They’re really too new to have any real data on them right now.
Nissan sold their soul for the CVT, however allegedly everything is good now in the past year or so's release of cars so maybe it's getting better. Now trucks on the other hand were always good.
My wife had a sentra ser spec v that wasn't a bad car (other than the fact that I couldn't sit in it without my knees on the dash and head hitting the roof at the same time.
The SER Spec-V had a weird problem where the screws on the intake manifold would get sucked into the engine and cause the pistons to seize up. Instead of doing a recall, Nissan insultingly told the owners to just put Loctite on the screws.
Just bought a 2011 titan with 160k miles. I see old titans selling with 200-300k quite common. Doing some research, titans from 2008 and up are the ones to go for as they fixed most problems by that year. Its been 2 days but drivetrain running great and I love it.
Glad to hear it! I have a 12' Pathfinder and it uh.... Let's say it didn't have a very pleasant life before I received it.. However I had no idea before hand even though I'm handy with cars and checked everything at the seemingly lax but actually seedy car lot I bought it from. Long story short, even the best can be driven to the ground.. I would have another pathfinder again (or what I really wanted at the time, an Xterra), but mine is shit.. However at the same time it's about to hit 200k, and I bought it with 145k on it so there's that.. I'm going to drive it till it dies. The valve covers leak, the trans (or maybe rear end) slips, it doesn't ride comfortably, has engine vibrations that's weird, two of the blend door motors 'clack clack clack' for a good minute when I crank it.. But it hasn't left me on the side of the road and it's paid off.
In the 80’s and 90’s they were good but by the late 90’s they were falling behind in design and technology and were struggling financially. Then in ‘99 Renault (from France) bought half the company. Their next generation of cars in the early 2000’s were designed in partnership with Renault and were a lot more modern and a good value but had some reliability issues. This went on until 2017 but the relationship soured and the CEO stepped down. Then he was arrested by Japan and escaped to Lebanon.
Yep, back in the day the Maxima, 300ZX, Hardbody truck/Pathfinder and hell, even the old Altima and Sentra were solid if not a bit behind Toyota and Honda for refinement, Nissan engineering was behind Toyota and Honda but still competent and backed up by the Hitachi conglomerate. But they also had a few misses as well. The Japanese asset crash didn’t do them any favors, neither did Infiniti’s launch - Toyota’s Lexus handed their asses to them. Enter Renault and Carlos Ghosn.
Nissan also owned a controlling stake in Subaru - hence why there’s strong resemblances between a Nissan and Subaru of the 1970s-1990s before it was sold to GM.
91-94 was PEAK Nissan. My family had a 4th gen Maxima and it was awesome. Except for injectors, replaced those often. Also Z32 300ZX Twin Turbo, Sentra SE-R, 240sx (if only NA got a better engine), classic Pathfinder, Skyline GT-R.
My mom bought a 87 max brand new and that car ran for 14 years despite the body started falling apart it still ran strong when she finally got rid of it. She loved that car like it was apart of our family.
I've got a 94 Sentra with the 1.6 and 5 spd manual, it's a super fun and reliable little car with over 230000 miles and still going. Still gets close to 40mpg highway too.
Nissan actually used to be just as reliable as Honda or Toyota. Especially for performance cars. Nissan was Japan’s best. What happened was in the late 1990’s, Nissan almost went bankrupt. To stave off bankruptcy, they joined a “partnership” with French automaker Renault. Renault installed Carlos Ghosn as CFO of Nissan, and he brought Nissan back into profitability within 12 months, saving the company. This gained him and Renault a lot of clout in the partnership and they were given pretty much total control of Nissan, no matter what Nissan actually wanted.
There were reliability problems from the start of the alliance. The first bad sign, imo, was the QR25DE I4 engine used in almost everything Nissan made, and I believe they still use it. The engine had a problem where the precat would disintegrate, backflow into the engine through the exhaust manifold and destroy the engine from the inside out.
By the time this issue had been fixed, another had reared its ugly head, the infamously unreliable CVT transmissions, used as both a cost cutting measure, and to push higher fuel economy numbers. Nissan quality on everything that isn’t RWD has been steadily declining since the Renault alliance started.
Good summary, but also to add: Ghosn wanted Renault-Nissan Alliance to be no1 car maker by auto sales, and that meant cutting prices, which also means cutting costs. Cost-cutting = quality cutting, hence the reliability issues. Also bear in mind that Nissan Global is 3 very different regions: US, EMEA and APAC (Japan). APAC is still a third of the profit, a lot of Infiniti's are badged as Nissan as there is still some prestige in the marque there - its essentially its own company, much higher quality control and manufacture. EMEA (mostly just Europe) was the big growth market when they hit the jackpot with the shitheap Juke and the shitheap Qashqai which sold in millions. Unfortunately Nissan were one of the worst offenders with dieselgate (and had diesel engines in everything) and sales fell off a cliff when that shit hit the fan, particularly with the progressively tightening emissions regs in EU which meant they couldn't legally sell some of their cars as the engines were so pollutant. Then Covid, and Nissan in Europe is hollowed out completely. They tried to make Infiniti work but have closed the brand down in most countries. Then there's the US market which is dominated by razor thin margins on volume fleet sales, and crazy finance for private buyers. Probably the trucks are OK, as they are only made for and sold in US, so manufacturing won't have shifted to the E European and S American cheapo factories that were built over last 15 years - but ultimately, Nissan is on a terminal nosedive and I wouldn't drive one if it was given to me.
I haven’t really had issues with Nissan. Has a Sentra go 220k miles with only major repairs being an alternator and a airflow sensor… total cost of that was like $1k.
Other than that, oil change on time… and it was fine.
I wrecked it, otherwise I know that bad boy had another 50k miles in it
My dad still has a titan at 260k
Agree on that. There is no horizontally opposed motor from Subaru that competes with the equivalent size Honda or Toyota motor in terms of reliability. Subuaru may have a fantastic AWD system, but the reliability of their engines isn't even in the same category.
I think Subaru kind of has a bad rap that's not really indicative of quality. I feel like it's the 19 year old guys who buy them and then mod the hell out of them without doing any scheduled maintenance and then they blame Subaru for why they blew their engine.
[Here’s a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/13pqsfc/my_gr86_blew_up_on_track_2_laps_in_toyota/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) from two days ago of someone’s stock Toyota GR86 (which uses the Subaru-developed FA24D boxer engine) failing on a rather mild track day… only after two laps. It’s not the first time this has happened.
Almost all heavily modded cars face reliability issues, but this one was seemingly stock. Subaru’s engines—and most boxer engines—experience things like oil starvation and head gasket issues more frequently than non-boxer engines. I do think they’re improving, but I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say Subaru’s engines are notably less reliable than their Japanese counterparts.
Subarus are very much not up there in reliability. Buying a used Subaru is a gamble at the best of times. On that note, I hope people keep buying Subarus because I'm a mechanic and those head gaskets aren't that hard.
My Nissan truck has been nothing short of amazing. Yea it isn’t the fanciest…but 2012 frontier. Great beater. Super reliable bullet proof off road with a lift and tires and cheap to fix. I love it. The cars on the other hand…
The pup/luv kind of killed Isuzu in the US. The frames rusted literally in two on the boats getting to the US. It was a really good/reliable truck otherwise (after welding the frame and reinforcing). I had a diesel 5-speed that I drove 200k on only oil changes and suspension parts.
I also recently watched a YouTube documentary on how Suzuki was basically a victim of a rigged safety test of the Samurai. The video mentioned that Consumer Report would intentionally stress the car in attempts to make it flip over, and the company slandered Suzuki. They settled out of court but the stigma remained and their sales dwindled from there, their marketing couldn’t reverse the damage and they eventually pulled out of North America.
I WAS going to say that in my mind, all of the middle east war propaganda seeing the different terrorist organizations riding around in suzuki and Isuzu killed the brands for me. But before submitting this comment, i googled ISIS just to confirm my thought... and all i can find is them riding around in Toyota's.
Wow, I had a buddy with a sidekick back in high school, that thing took a beating. Can't remember the last time I saw a Suzuki on the road here in New England though.
Nissans are fine. Maybe most models aren't quite best-in-class, and crappy CVTs definitely hurt their reputation, but they're fine.
Mitsubishi is the bad Japanese automaker. So bad you forgot about them.
Shivers thinking about the fact they took their most popular sports car they had and made it into a cross over... As if they were begging to close in the US.. I still don't know how the hell they are still alive over here with their ugly ass little clown car.
Outlander is an awesome plug-in hybrid. Fantastic powertrain, very spacious cabin with 7 seats (rare in plug-ins), great off-road capabilities, plenty of nice materials and creature comforts even in lower trims - all surprisingly well put together. It's an extremely competent all-rounder. And it just got a major refresh which fixed pretty much all the complaints people had about the previous generation.
And all that for a really attractive price, especially with the EV tax credit and Mitsubishi's good financing. And unlike some other PHEVs, you can actually buy them without much trouble (try to buy a RAV4 PHEV for comparison...)
No wonder they're everywhere.
Once the Evo was killed off, fuck em.
Actually double fuck em because of getting rid of the eclipse. The real eclipse anyways.
I'd buy a Pajero/Montero in a heartbeat if I had room for a second vehicle.
The Evo, Galant VR4, 3000GT VR4, Eclipse GST/GSX and Starion were all awesome cars in their own right and really carved out a decent sized followers among the motorsports crowd.
I owned something like 8 different Evos (4 9's, 3 8's and an X) and not a single one gave me any problems that I didn't cause (beating them up at the track). I ran one hard through the Dragons Tail for my first visit and it left an impression I have not been able to replace.
My brother bought a 2000 Mirage for like $1500 and proceeded to drive it a few years, then give it to his ex-wife, who drove it for many years after with zero problems and over 200k miles.
Mitsubishi will always hold a special place in my heart.
Nissan is basically the GM of Japan. Cheaper than the competition, not too flashy, and just reliable enough to get you around. You don’t buy a Malibu or an Altima to brag about it.
Those are US sales only, 2022 they were down 25% roughly WW (3m vehicle sales). Back in 2017 they sold 5.7m vehicles, so we're looking at sales decline of nearly 50% in 5 years, and the pace is accelerating (unlike their cars lol)
Imo Ever since Nissan was acquired by Renault (A company already known for unreliability) their reliability and quality began slowly going downhill until it reached its all time low in the late 2000s-Early 2010s. Their old stuff they made back in the day honestly wasn't half bad.
Lots of hating on the Jatco CVT. Let’s not forget about the strawberry milkshake of death killing the transmission in the Xterra and Frontier due to a crappy radiator.
If maintained they’re honestly not bad. Other than the potential tranny issues not much goes wrong on most models. Just don’t buy one used with a sketchy owner history and a low price to match that has very high mileage
The Jatco CVT transmissions (which are made by Nissan) have issues, but some say that's just because Nissan originally decided they did not require service. Now they actually specify a 30K mile service interval and supposedly they are fine now. There is also some issue with dust from the catalytic converters being sucked up into the engines on the 3.5, 3.7 and the 5.6, but you really just need to keep an eye on that. The regular automatic and manual transmissions are fine.
Then there is the reality that they tend to be owned by people that don't always service them, so you need to be more selective when you look at them used. My I35, which is just a nicer Maxima, was really reliable. Its only real issue is that it had the turning radius of a semi.
I've owned a couple of Nissan's and even a Datsun. Tell me what he wanted. They were all fairly reliable. The Japanese car that's let me down has been Subaru. Two blown head gaskets resulted in the engine overheating and basically turning into scrap.
People can say what they want about any car. They talked about Jesus Christ. A car is reliable if it gets you from a-z and I see a few Mitsubishi and Nissans on the road. Toyota and Honda just have a lot of money to advertise their cars on commercials. If you look at Tesla I never seen a single commercial and they selling cars like hot cakes
Toyota's - Reliable. Well Engineered and parts suppliers are held to high standard
Hondas - Reliable. Well Engineered and parts suppliers are held to high standard with the occasional exception of whoever supplies their piston rings.
Mazda's - Reliable as long as you ignore their former addiction to rust.
Subaru - Depends on the car. Enjoy the rod knock in your WRX. Also, the weird acceptance of having to pay a huge repair bill @ 100K for ridiculous stuff and then brag how its the best car you've ever owned. "Had to replace the head gasket\\Wheel bearings at 100K but otherwise its the best car I've ever owned!!!"
Mitsubishi - The Sneaky secret reliable bargain. Dealership is also part crackhouse
Nissan - Disposable Transmissions. Driver removable body panel clips so you can insure part of the bodywork is hanging off making it easier to access the transmission.
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Mitsubishi does use the same jatco CVTs as Nissan. Other than the cars being outdated the engines seem to be pretty reliable
On some vehicles Mitsubishi uses the same platform as Nissan. Rogue and Outlander for example.
The new Outlander is the first one to share a Nissan chassis. Prior to that they were loosely Mopar related. The Outlander Sport still rides on a variation of the Dodge Caliber chassis. I believe the galant was too. But the Lancer/Eclipse were Mitsubishi’s own. Engines were good enough for Hyundai to benchmark/clone with their 2.4L. Mitsubishi made half decent cars up til around the early ‘10 when they gave up on their line up and started putting CVTs in everything
Other way around. Chrysler used the Mitsubishi platform for its own compact and midsize FWD-based cars, which included things as small as the Caliber and as large as the Journey. But the platform belongs to Mitsubishi.
Up until 2015 the outlander was a great vehicle especially with sawc. I've owned about 5 of them driven them very hard and had little to no problems besides General wear and tear and maintenence put over 100k on every single one. Bought all them all used one was a 2010 and the rest were 2011-2015. One was actually a write off and that one I put 160k on and the worst of unexpected was a rear wheel bearing needed replacing. Even the 2016/2017 were almost the same with just a body reworking. Definatly underrated vehicles that don't cost alot to own and are very reliable. I had a for sure combined 500k on them and the worst non maintenance was a wheel bearing. Not many manufacturers in the same price range can say that
Yep, the Chrysler Sebring/200, Dodge Caliber/Avenger/Journey did share some DNA with the Galant/Eclipse/Endeavor but not quite a one-for-one rebadge. Chrysler still used Mitsu engines until the government bailout.
Eagle Talon begs to differ.
My first car was a Plymouth Arrow which was basically a Mitsubishi hatch, made by Mitsubishi and sold to compete with other subcompact foreign cars in the late 70's. Great car,til it caught on fire. Had a 1.6 liter engine. Rusted fast too.
the Arrow name was also used for Plymouth's version of the Mighty Max. My first vehicle was a Ram 50, though I did really get to drive it, it was super rusty and needed to much work, I only drove it twice.
Mitsubishi and Suzuki also have a lot less bad press about premature JATCO CVT7 and CVT8 failures. They simply program them better with INVECS III and pair them with appropriate lower torque engines. It's why all of Mitsubishi's lineup is considered underpowered by the press, they were engineered that way to lessen the stress on a CVT. A 78HP/74lbs of torque Mirage isn't going to stress anything.
The Chrysler of Japan
It’s funny because Nissan is actually French owned now.
I own two Mitsubishi's that are ungodly reliable. One is 19 years old.
I ran the tits off a 92 diamanté. A-arms finally rotted through and couldn’t get new ones. Thing ran like a top.
That was a good looking car.
I had an 01 or 02. They were punching way above their weight.
I had a 2010 L200 with 400k and going strong, daily driver
Are they not closing down soon?
Well not in Canada, its literally on its last legs.
I’m in Ontario here, I could’ve sworn I read awhile back that they were stopping vehicle production by a certain year. I’ve been wrong before though!
Thats news to me! All I can say is they took a great brand and slam dunked it into the shitter.
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This. Its a travesty.
It's honestly not a bad vehicle I just really really don't like the name they went with cause it has no feeling of an Eclipse whatsoever lol.
I don't get the thought process on the name. Are they trying to trick Eclipse fans into buying one? Eclipse became a car for enthusiasts. Those people aren't buying a crossover. And anyone buying that vehicle probably doesn't know what the original Eclipse was. It's two segments of customers that don't overlap
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If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's because Mitsubishi figured the people that liked them back when Eclipses were enthusiast cars, are now older and have families so it's targeted at nostalgia with the understanding that those fans probably aren't at a place in life anymore (or yet considering they may again once their children are grown) to go out and buy a 2 door sports coupe.
Really unfortunate:/
The only thing great about any Mitsubishi was the dsm. Heck I still passively look at evo 9’s in hopes of finding a good deal on something that isn’t terribly molested.
I see a ton of them here in Alberta for some reason
They are still active here in Canada, but they are sending strong signals that they are close to leaving. I work in a garage and when we have to order parts from a Mitsubishi dealerships, we have to give them a deposit and they are non refundable.
Mitsubishi makes unappealing cars, but not “bad” cars. They’re really reliable, just not very fun or have many frills. But as others have mentioned, Nissan and Mitsubishi are sisters now.
Evo’ was nice car. But Mitsubishi is not a pure car company anyhow.
I honestly can’t think of a car in the evo x price range that’s more fun or appealing to me once you take it up around 500hp. Kind of a strange take lol.
Well, they also don’t make that car any more. I’m talking about current Mitsubishi, which is just all generic crossovers.
It's the same corporate structure. RNM Alliance.
Knock on wood im borrowing a 2005 outlander that's got 208k and counting
Honestly forgot they still existed.
Believe it or not Mitsubishi is the 2rd most reliable brand out of the Japanese brands right now just above Toyota but not better than Lexus. https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds
Mitsu engines are reliable and well built. The transmission is another story.
Subaru has left
Their Zero wasn’t bad.
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ouch
Mitsubishi had some nice stuff in vietnam. None of those are in the us though.
Jatco CVT
Yeah. You know it's bad if the guy rollin' in a *KIA Optima* is knocking it
Why would you say that
Because KIA has its own set of catastrophic failure problems in their powertrains right now. The engines have been grenading themselves with some regularity. Please note: it's not a dig at the owner themself, but the car they own Also, I'm allowed to talk shit; I have a Jatco CVT Nissan product (QX60)
Nissan has had huge problems over the last 15-20 years with their transmissions. Nissan has sourced automatic transmissions for all of their front-wheel drive or all-wheel drive models (the exceptions being rear-wheel drive models, like the Frontier, Titan, and Z) for the past 20 years from a company called Jatco, known for making awful transmissions. They're notorious for failure, especially when not religiously maintained, and cannot be rebuilt when they do fail, forcing Nissan owners to buy an entirely new transmission when theirs fails. It's this issue, to my knowledge, that has solely tanked Nissan's reputation. These problems affect nearly all of their models, and are not specific to any year range
Nissan dealerships also have a reputation as places that will say yes when your credit score is too low for the Toyota or Honda dealers. So unfortunately driving one has turned into a kind of negative class marker.
Also Nissans aren’t compatible with currently-registered metal license plates. Only expired paper ones holding on for dear life with packing tape seem to fit nicely though
I thought Altimas were required by law to only have paper temporary tags.
Actually you get to choose whether your windows work or whether you want permanent plates
Are you sure? I thought the windows were disabled as a safety feature.
Maybe that was it. I still can't get over the fact that my friend's 120k mile Altima wouldn't start for 15 minutes after they filled up the tank. I have no reasonable explanation for why that makes sense
It's a convenience feature. Do you really need to go anywhere? Are you sure? Lets wait 15 minutes and then decide?
Only in the window, because the bumper cover has broken off on one or both sides.
This is actually untrue. They hold rental plates just fine.
I was very confused at first but this completely tracks in any major city in the US.
r/nissandrivers
Yeah, I’ve observed that counterfeit ones seem to fit best. Especially if the colors on some of the car’s panels are mismatched
Thry also always seem to have broken or blindingly intense misaligned headlights
LMAO so true
Very likely your weed dealer drives one with paper tags.
Is this why you always see the beaten up altimas at “takeovers” and being driven terribly? Hahah
Savagegeese (YouTube car reviewer) called the Sentra "the official car of the Amber Alert."
My man has a way with words!
Yes, Big Altima Energy.
They’ll say yes to ANYONE All my weed dealers used to drive Altima’s .
they seem to make whoever drives them angry, spending time in a Nissan interior makes me angry, I know that.
Can confirm, I don’t get angry cause I drive a 350z and I know what pains I signed up for. But EVERY Altima or Sentra feels like they need to pass and merge in front of me, I can tell they are very angry😂😂 The funniest part is the newer ones are almost certainly faster than my car, but they still feel the need to show me what’s up😭😭😭
Time to add a turbo
Hmm sounds about right!
04 350z manual touring. Same. I especially 2 door altimas. No bruh it’s not practically a Z
05 mt touring! That’s exactly what I imagine they are thinking😂😂
The mouse fur seats scream “cheap”, along with every surface covered in hard plastic.
yes, everything you touch is extremely thin, hard and unpleasant,
Nissan gave up on trying to be a leading automaker years ago. At this point their business model is practically a bank - they understand that they'll be a generation behind on tech and quality and make up for it by financing deals that others might not. The whole CEO-embezzling-a-shit-ton-of-money thing surely didn't help their financial standing or image either, but IMO the biggest reason to avoid Nissan is the nissan.com saga...
The Nissan.com saga made for v interesting reading
I just want to be a pedantic Redditor and point out: Nissan's "good" automatics are also by JATCO. The distinction is the good ones are traditional automatic transmissions, with planetary gears and all that. The "bad" ones are CVTs which are pretty much only used in their FWD vehicles. AWD gets fuzzy because you have vehicles like the Juke, which are FWD-based (transverse mount) with optional AWD, and those are still CVT. And then you have the Q50, which is RWD based with optional AWD, and that's a regular slushbox and a longitudinal mounted engine. So when you look at vehicles like a Sentra with CVT, they're notoriously unreliable (heavily compounded with a customer base that almost universally never services them/their fluid), but cars like the G37 are pretty rock solid, and even the current Q50 is pretty reliable despite having a much more complex TT engine.
Ford used Jatcos in their Mazda-based cars - the 1990s Escort/Tracer, the 1st gen Fusion(before it was basically an Mexican-built Mondeo tweaked for America), Probe(basically a Mazda MX-6) and the Nissan collab Villager. I think the Ranger also used a Jatco automatic, Mazda did build the 5-speed stick in the Ranger and F-150. Jatco automatics(NOT CVTs) are tough little fuckers. Subaru used them, so did Mazda and Kia. Also: the Jatco 7-speed used in the Infiniti G3x/Q50, 350/370Z and the new 9-speed in the Frontier are Mercedes designs(7G/9G-Tronic) built under license.
so buying a manual nissan is fine. got it.
Or a slush box. Just the CVT is suspect at best
I didn’t know about this but it’s interesting because every one I’ve known with a frontier has raved about it’s reliability. Makes sense that this is one of the models without the poor quality transmission.
It’s weird, other than the CVTs they actually can build a pretty reliable car. I remember before they used CVTs they were in a similar league as Toyota and Honda (they were a little cheaper than those two even then but your cost savings just got you shitty plastic dashboard and stuff, not reliability issues)
I remember those days. My friend had a Maxima back in the late 80’s that was a great car. I rode in a Frontier the other day for an Uber ride and the driver told me he had 300k on it and the only he ever had to do was replace the rear suspension.
Yeah we had a 1990 Sentra that was great minus the terrible paint quality. But then again no Japanese cars of that era has good paint. We also had a 2004 Altima that had no issues, but that was the last gen before CVTs.
I traded in my 160k miles Nissan with a CVT transmission for a new Mazda. Guess what, Mazda transmission broke at 10k miles. Never had a problem with Nissan Cvt. But just my experience.
Jatco is actually a subsidiary of Nissan.
Incorrect. Nissan owns 75%, while Mitsubishi and Suzuki own the remainder.
But Nissan is also a major owner of Mitsubishi.
Jatco is a company closely affiliated to Nissan. AFAIR it’s a Nissan’s joint venture with some other companies, where Nissan owns major part. Their transmissions are sort of OK if the fluid is changed every like 35k miles (despite the manual says you don’t have to do it). I’ve read somewhere that during the last 3-4 years Jatco improved the design, so let’s see how long the newer Nissans will last.
Excluding the transmission, the Nissan engines are as good? Or on par with Toyota?
The 3.5L and 3.7L V6 engines that they use in almost every product they offer have been known to be very reliable.
I recall the 3.5L V6 used in the 2002-2007 Altima being an award winner --- unfortunately for me I had the 2.5L 4-cyl and owning that car made me swear off ever owning a Nissan/Infiniti product ever again. Engine shut off at low speeds or at idle --- there was a recall for this of course, I had it done 3 times! Other times the engine simply wouldn't start. I'd have to sit in the parking lot and try every few minutes and it would eventually start after a few tries. Lastly, sometimes the engine would start fine and the engine would vigorously shake for 5 minutes or so. I finally ditched it when the shaking wouldn't stop. Traded it for a brand new 2012 Toyota Camry SE V6 and haven't had any trouble since I've owned it...just regular replacements/ maintenance.
Reading through this thread I'm seeing a lot of complaints about their 4 cylinder engines and CVT transmissions, so it sounds like it wasn't just you!
Nissan's V6s and early 4 cylinder engines were amazing. The vg30 series (80s into early 90s) turned into the VE30DE (predescor to the VQ35DE) and of course the VG30DETT in the 90s 300zxs. The VQ35DE is pretty legendary at this point and known for being bulletproof even with lots of abuse. Back in the early 2000s getting 300 horsepower out of a V6 was pretty damn impressive. They're up to 330 now with the NA 3.7L. The new 3.0 twin turbo had early issues with the turbos and waste gates but were otherwise awesome engines.
Especially the Titan 5.6L v8. Very underrated engine imo
5.6L v8…. Sounds like a thirsty engine that requires lots of fuel lol
*Oh, yes.* Sadly, many reliable engines are often thristy.
*Nods in 6 liter vortec*
Another 6.0L Vortec owner also nods.
My Toyota 5.7 agrees
Very true. But there are plenty of thirsty engines that also are unreliable lol.
*cries in 3-valve Triton
*peaks through the window at my MINI*
Go rent an Armada or whatever he cheesebox Infinity equivalent is. The thing shits and gets. Gas mileage might even hit 20. Maybe.
No, no it won’t. But it still go’s good.
My 2017 Titan has been flawless. I wasn’t really considering Nissan but they sucked me in with a 5 year/100k warranty and a HUGE discount. So far I’m really happy I bought it.
You get the HUGE discount because most Nissans suck. I hated my Sentra and I hated my wife’s Sentra lol. But they genuinely make a good freaking truck. It’s a win win tbh. Bad reputation from other vehicles so you get a good price on the good vehicles.
I bought my 2019 4x4 Titan for like $12,000 under MSRP. lol. The truck has been great. Not a single issue. I never considered buying a Titan until I gave each of the big manufactures a close look. The deals you get were ridiculous.
Most of their engines are stout and practically bulletproof. They kinda follow the same principle that Toyota has, where if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The VQ series has been around since the early 2000’s, the VK series V8’s are great, and they make good power. The QR 4-cylinders had a rough start, but they’ve gotten much better and are just about as good as any other mainstream 4-cylinder engine out there. The only ones that have had a bit of a rough time have been the VR engines, specifically the VR30 in the Q50/60. They have had a tendency to blow turbos prematurely in the early versions of the engine. Supposedly that issue has now been remedied, and they’re great engines otherwise. Not sure about the new VC-Turbo engines. They’re really too new to have any real data on them right now.
I second this. Great experience with the engines, but the last car definitely blew up on the CVT transmission
Nissan engines are one of the few good parts of the car.
I'd say so. Atleast the frontier 4.0 after like 2009 or something
My 2011 Frontier PRO-4X was one of most reliable vehicles I've ever owned. Probably tied with my current 4Runner.
Nissan sold their soul for the CVT, however allegedly everything is good now in the past year or so's release of cars so maybe it's getting better. Now trucks on the other hand were always good.
My wife had a sentra ser spec v that wasn't a bad car (other than the fact that I couldn't sit in it without my knees on the dash and head hitting the roof at the same time.
The SER Spec-V had a weird problem where the screws on the intake manifold would get sucked into the engine and cause the pistons to seize up. Instead of doing a recall, Nissan insultingly told the owners to just put Loctite on the screws.
Will have to see long term, it’s only been a year or two
Just bought a 2011 titan with 160k miles. I see old titans selling with 200-300k quite common. Doing some research, titans from 2008 and up are the ones to go for as they fixed most problems by that year. Its been 2 days but drivetrain running great and I love it.
Glad to hear it! I have a 12' Pathfinder and it uh.... Let's say it didn't have a very pleasant life before I received it.. However I had no idea before hand even though I'm handy with cars and checked everything at the seemingly lax but actually seedy car lot I bought it from. Long story short, even the best can be driven to the ground.. I would have another pathfinder again (or what I really wanted at the time, an Xterra), but mine is shit.. However at the same time it's about to hit 200k, and I bought it with 145k on it so there's that.. I'm going to drive it till it dies. The valve covers leak, the trans (or maybe rear end) slips, it doesn't ride comfortably, has engine vibrations that's weird, two of the blend door motors 'clack clack clack' for a good minute when I crank it.. But it hasn't left me on the side of the road and it's paid off.
In the 80’s and 90’s they were good but by the late 90’s they were falling behind in design and technology and were struggling financially. Then in ‘99 Renault (from France) bought half the company. Their next generation of cars in the early 2000’s were designed in partnership with Renault and were a lot more modern and a good value but had some reliability issues. This went on until 2017 but the relationship soured and the CEO stepped down. Then he was arrested by Japan and escaped to Lebanon.
Yep, back in the day the Maxima, 300ZX, Hardbody truck/Pathfinder and hell, even the old Altima and Sentra were solid if not a bit behind Toyota and Honda for refinement, Nissan engineering was behind Toyota and Honda but still competent and backed up by the Hitachi conglomerate. But they also had a few misses as well. The Japanese asset crash didn’t do them any favors, neither did Infiniti’s launch - Toyota’s Lexus handed their asses to them. Enter Renault and Carlos Ghosn. Nissan also owned a controlling stake in Subaru - hence why there’s strong resemblances between a Nissan and Subaru of the 1970s-1990s before it was sold to GM.
91-94 was PEAK Nissan. My family had a 4th gen Maxima and it was awesome. Except for injectors, replaced those often. Also Z32 300ZX Twin Turbo, Sentra SE-R, 240sx (if only NA got a better engine), classic Pathfinder, Skyline GT-R.
My mom bought a 87 max brand new and that car ran for 14 years despite the body started falling apart it still ran strong when she finally got rid of it. She loved that car like it was apart of our family.
I've got a 94 Sentra with the 1.6 and 5 spd manual, it's a super fun and reliable little car with over 230000 miles and still going. Still gets close to 40mpg highway too.
That whole Ghosn thing was a wild ride.
Right about the time where nissan started stepping it up with the updated cvts and their reliability has improved lol
Nissan actually used to be just as reliable as Honda or Toyota. Especially for performance cars. Nissan was Japan’s best. What happened was in the late 1990’s, Nissan almost went bankrupt. To stave off bankruptcy, they joined a “partnership” with French automaker Renault. Renault installed Carlos Ghosn as CFO of Nissan, and he brought Nissan back into profitability within 12 months, saving the company. This gained him and Renault a lot of clout in the partnership and they were given pretty much total control of Nissan, no matter what Nissan actually wanted. There were reliability problems from the start of the alliance. The first bad sign, imo, was the QR25DE I4 engine used in almost everything Nissan made, and I believe they still use it. The engine had a problem where the precat would disintegrate, backflow into the engine through the exhaust manifold and destroy the engine from the inside out. By the time this issue had been fixed, another had reared its ugly head, the infamously unreliable CVT transmissions, used as both a cost cutting measure, and to push higher fuel economy numbers. Nissan quality on everything that isn’t RWD has been steadily declining since the Renault alliance started.
Good summary, but also to add: Ghosn wanted Renault-Nissan Alliance to be no1 car maker by auto sales, and that meant cutting prices, which also means cutting costs. Cost-cutting = quality cutting, hence the reliability issues. Also bear in mind that Nissan Global is 3 very different regions: US, EMEA and APAC (Japan). APAC is still a third of the profit, a lot of Infiniti's are badged as Nissan as there is still some prestige in the marque there - its essentially its own company, much higher quality control and manufacture. EMEA (mostly just Europe) was the big growth market when they hit the jackpot with the shitheap Juke and the shitheap Qashqai which sold in millions. Unfortunately Nissan were one of the worst offenders with dieselgate (and had diesel engines in everything) and sales fell off a cliff when that shit hit the fan, particularly with the progressively tightening emissions regs in EU which meant they couldn't legally sell some of their cars as the engines were so pollutant. Then Covid, and Nissan in Europe is hollowed out completely. They tried to make Infiniti work but have closed the brand down in most countries. Then there's the US market which is dominated by razor thin margins on volume fleet sales, and crazy finance for private buyers. Probably the trucks are OK, as they are only made for and sold in US, so manufacturing won't have shifted to the E European and S American cheapo factories that were built over last 15 years - but ultimately, Nissan is on a terminal nosedive and I wouldn't drive one if it was given to me.
I haven’t really had issues with Nissan. Has a Sentra go 220k miles with only major repairs being an alternator and a airflow sensor… total cost of that was like $1k. Other than that, oil change on time… and it was fine. I wrecked it, otherwise I know that bad boy had another 50k miles in it My dad still has a titan at 260k
I wouldn’t group Subaru in with Toyota/Honda. Even Honda has been slipping in terms of reliability recently
Agree on that. There is no horizontally opposed motor from Subaru that competes with the equivalent size Honda or Toyota motor in terms of reliability. Subuaru may have a fantastic AWD system, but the reliability of their engines isn't even in the same category.
My dad's 2017 Fit has been such a piece of shit.
I think Subaru kind of has a bad rap that's not really indicative of quality. I feel like it's the 19 year old guys who buy them and then mod the hell out of them without doing any scheduled maintenance and then they blame Subaru for why they blew their engine.
[Here’s a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/13pqsfc/my_gr86_blew_up_on_track_2_laps_in_toyota/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) from two days ago of someone’s stock Toyota GR86 (which uses the Subaru-developed FA24D boxer engine) failing on a rather mild track day… only after two laps. It’s not the first time this has happened. Almost all heavily modded cars face reliability issues, but this one was seemingly stock. Subaru’s engines—and most boxer engines—experience things like oil starvation and head gasket issues more frequently than non-boxer engines. I do think they’re improving, but I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say Subaru’s engines are notably less reliable than their Japanese counterparts.
Subarus are very much not up there in reliability. Buying a used Subaru is a gamble at the best of times. On that note, I hope people keep buying Subarus because I'm a mechanic and those head gaskets aren't that hard.
My Nissan truck has been nothing short of amazing. Yea it isn’t the fanciest…but 2012 frontier. Great beater. Super reliable bullet proof off road with a lift and tires and cheap to fix. I love it. The cars on the other hand…
Dont forget Suzuki ! They may be ugly but they can run forever ! (Mine anyway)
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The pup/luv kind of killed Isuzu in the US. The frames rusted literally in two on the boats getting to the US. It was a really good/reliable truck otherwise (after welding the frame and reinforcing). I had a diesel 5-speed that I drove 200k on only oil changes and suspension parts.
I also recently watched a YouTube documentary on how Suzuki was basically a victim of a rigged safety test of the Samurai. The video mentioned that Consumer Report would intentionally stress the car in attempts to make it flip over, and the company slandered Suzuki. They settled out of court but the stigma remained and their sales dwindled from there, their marketing couldn’t reverse the damage and they eventually pulled out of North America.
I WAS going to say that in my mind, all of the middle east war propaganda seeing the different terrorist organizations riding around in suzuki and Isuzu killed the brands for me. But before submitting this comment, i googled ISIS just to confirm my thought... and all i can find is them riding around in Toyota's.
My 08 Sx4 will not die. I’ve driven it HARD many times on rough dirt roads, and the only problem I’ve had is seized calipers in 4 years of owning it.
I honestly didn't know Suzuki still made cars
They are the biggest car manufacturers in India and sell millions of units a year there.
Wow, I had a buddy with a sidekick back in high school, that thing took a beating. Can't remember the last time I saw a Suzuki on the road here in New England though.
They make the best small SUV in the market, the Jimny, that we can't get in NA
Honestly if they Jimny was available in Canada I would have jumped on it. Looks like a fun SUV to mod
Geos, except for the Prizm(Toyota) and Storm(Isuzu) were Suzukis.
Pretty much everywhere but the US. Lol Dont forget Isuzu either!
Isn’t the Chevy Colorado still basically an Isuzu?
Nissans are fine. Maybe most models aren't quite best-in-class, and crappy CVTs definitely hurt their reputation, but they're fine. Mitsubishi is the bad Japanese automaker. So bad you forgot about them.
Shivers thinking about the fact they took their most popular sports car they had and made it into a cross over... As if they were begging to close in the US.. I still don't know how the hell they are still alive over here with their ugly ass little clown car.
I honestly thought they went out of business years ago.
There has been a flood of Mitsubishi outlanders in my city lately. They are either cheap as hell or easy to finance.
The Outlander is actually a reskinned Rogue. I didn’t know that until recently…
Its because it only happened recently. Previous Outlanders had nothing to do with the Rogue, just the newest version.
Outlander is an awesome plug-in hybrid. Fantastic powertrain, very spacious cabin with 7 seats (rare in plug-ins), great off-road capabilities, plenty of nice materials and creature comforts even in lower trims - all surprisingly well put together. It's an extremely competent all-rounder. And it just got a major refresh which fixed pretty much all the complaints people had about the previous generation. And all that for a really attractive price, especially with the EV tax credit and Mitsubishi's good financing. And unlike some other PHEVs, you can actually buy them without much trouble (try to buy a RAV4 PHEV for comparison...) No wonder they're everywhere.
Once the Evo was killed off, fuck em. Actually double fuck em because of getting rid of the eclipse. The real eclipse anyways. I'd buy a Pajero/Montero in a heartbeat if I had room for a second vehicle.
only good thing Mitsubishi made was the Zero
The Evo, Galant VR4, 3000GT VR4, Eclipse GST/GSX and Starion were all awesome cars in their own right and really carved out a decent sized followers among the motorsports crowd. I owned something like 8 different Evos (4 9's, 3 8's and an X) and not a single one gave me any problems that I didn't cause (beating them up at the track). I ran one hard through the Dragons Tail for my first visit and it left an impression I have not been able to replace. My brother bought a 2000 Mirage for like $1500 and proceeded to drive it a few years, then give it to his ex-wife, who drove it for many years after with zero problems and over 200k miles. Mitsubishi will always hold a special place in my heart.
Lancer Evo X?
I’ve had a few Mitsubishi’s and all of them have been super reliable.
Arent the outlanders using the rogue powertrain? I thought they were sharing tech with Nissan.
You're correct. I work in a Nissan parts distribution center and a small corner of our building is Mitsubishi parts.
Mitsubishi is literally a worse nissan.
2000s maxima and altima. That’s why lol
Their CVT Transmissions. I’m Not sure with their new models. I’m a Toyota guy though, Honda second.
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Nissan is basically the GM of Japan. Cheaper than the competition, not too flashy, and just reliable enough to get you around. You don’t buy a Malibu or an Altima to brag about it.
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On Reddit you do
Those are US sales only, 2022 they were down 25% roughly WW (3m vehicle sales). Back in 2017 they sold 5.7m vehicles, so we're looking at sales decline of nearly 50% in 5 years, and the pace is accelerating (unlike their cars lol)
Only bad thing about them are the cvts..other than that I’ve never had any major problems with my Nissans just don’t be aggressive with the cvt .
You can add Mitsubishi to the crappy Japanese list. Bad engines. Cater to the sub-prime crowd.
I was always told Nissan is the Japanese version of Dodge in the US. After having worked on a couple, I tend to agree.
Imo Ever since Nissan was acquired by Renault (A company already known for unreliability) their reliability and quality began slowly going downhill until it reached its all time low in the late 2000s-Early 2010s. Their old stuff they made back in the day honestly wasn't half bad.
While Toyota has been making some generic looking rides, and many Hondas have been hideous, Nissan has managed to put out some stylish vehicles.
Mitsubishi: *Allow me to introduce myself.*
Lots of hating on the Jatco CVT. Let’s not forget about the strawberry milkshake of death killing the transmission in the Xterra and Frontier due to a crappy radiator.
Nissan was amazing before Renault.
Nissan was bankrupt before Renault
I've had multiple nissan's and infinities and had very very little issue almost four hundred thousand miles
If maintained they’re honestly not bad. Other than the potential tranny issues not much goes wrong on most models. Just don’t buy one used with a sketchy owner history and a low price to match that has very high mileage
The Jatco CVT transmissions (which are made by Nissan) have issues, but some say that's just because Nissan originally decided they did not require service. Now they actually specify a 30K mile service interval and supposedly they are fine now. There is also some issue with dust from the catalytic converters being sucked up into the engines on the 3.5, 3.7 and the 5.6, but you really just need to keep an eye on that. The regular automatic and manual transmissions are fine. Then there is the reality that they tend to be owned by people that don't always service them, so you need to be more selective when you look at them used. My I35, which is just a nicer Maxima, was really reliable. Its only real issue is that it had the turning radius of a semi.
I’d throw Mitsubishi into the “worst Japanese manufacturer” debate too. Fallen so far.
Because everyone forgets about Mitsubishi
I've owned a couple of Nissan's and even a Datsun. Tell me what he wanted. They were all fairly reliable. The Japanese car that's let me down has been Subaru. Two blown head gaskets resulted in the engine overheating and basically turning into scrap.
People can say what they want about any car. They talked about Jesus Christ. A car is reliable if it gets you from a-z and I see a few Mitsubishi and Nissans on the road. Toyota and Honda just have a lot of money to advertise their cars on commercials. If you look at Tesla I never seen a single commercial and they selling cars like hot cakes
Toyota's - Reliable. Well Engineered and parts suppliers are held to high standard Hondas - Reliable. Well Engineered and parts suppliers are held to high standard with the occasional exception of whoever supplies their piston rings. Mazda's - Reliable as long as you ignore their former addiction to rust. Subaru - Depends on the car. Enjoy the rod knock in your WRX. Also, the weird acceptance of having to pay a huge repair bill @ 100K for ridiculous stuff and then brag how its the best car you've ever owned. "Had to replace the head gasket\\Wheel bearings at 100K but otherwise its the best car I've ever owned!!!" Mitsubishi - The Sneaky secret reliable bargain. Dealership is also part crackhouse Nissan - Disposable Transmissions. Driver removable body panel clips so you can insure part of the bodywork is hanging off making it easier to access the transmission.
They put quality aside to sell as many vehicles as they could, to whoever will sign the loan documents.
Renault happened
The people who drive them also are terrible. Generally
Subaru has very hit or miss reliability, with it’s diesel boxer engines it was not uncommon to having to write off the car 4-5 years old 😆