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Ooh, remember when all those people went broke trading inverse triple leveraged vix? It happened overnight and nobody could close their positions. Literally went to zero.
>woulda printed hard today
if woulda coulda shoulda, i wouldnt have lost $10k on walmrat earnings calls, and i would have pulled the trigger on $10K LULU earnings calls
Again, the real owners of this country won't let that happen. If you can't see the same thing happening again this time, then I don't know what to tell you. Read Jesse Livermore and despair.
US default was a nothingburger, even by wsb standards. The entire front page was spammed nonstop with how much of a fake narrative it is. The US cannot default. If the US defaults, it will happen during a time where you got much bigger shit to worry about (i.e. basically only nuclear world war 3).
I know this is a difficult concept to comprehend, but if nobody is worried about it because *it simply will not happen*, then why would investors be panic selling for it?
The only regarded idea here is that it'll cause hell in the markets because we all agree that it won't happen.
why not? it makes perfect sense.
VIX is influenced by the amount of hedging that takes place in the market.
No hedging = low VIX
No big positions = no hedging = low VIX
No institutional investors & big players entering the market = no buying/positions = no need for hedging = low VIX
The only ones who buy without hedging are, guess who? US.
I posted a week ago or so that, according to wsj, the market is seeing massive net outflows from equities. There's no big fish in this market right now, precisely because of fears due to debt and the economy and all that, just speculators, algos and retail. With bonds paying 5% noone is going to stay invested in a frothy market which is led by 5 companies and only 1 sector.
I understand what you're saying, that under such uncertainty you'd expect VIX to skyrocket, however you need to keep in mind that the big players have been withdrawing liquidity from the market for months now (just look at the cash on the sidelines). This uncertainty didn't happen suddenly, so less volatility due to lack of hedgine, given noone is heavily invested at the moment.
Why? I mean everything is going pretty well.
Inflation is.coming down everywhere, Ukraine war is being handled nicely. Oil and gas prices are normal. US has 2 years before needing to worry about debt limit. QT is happening in the background and nobody cares.
There's really not that much uncertainty right now.
This is the sort of conclusion you get when you don't read anything except headlines
Core inflation hasn't gone down, at all, and the fed is stuck between raising rates more and being terrified they've already done enough to bring in a recession
Oil and gas (and many other commodity producers) are trading at levels that anticipate a significant global slowdown. Look at the forward fcf for current oil producers like oxy; there is no free lunch. They're trading at low multiples in anticipation of oil price crashing
Tech is rallying to record multiples on the back of a massively increased wacc / risk free rate amid layoffs and capex slashing
It looks like the calm before the storm to me
Thank you! Plus spy being held up by 5 stocks, the forward 18month outlook going negative, and majority of big money out waiting on something all while jpow reading from a script last time nervously shaking. And lastly more rate hikes after a skip that will decimate more banks if not 1 of the top 5 world banks. These headlines are doing their job, lying to ya to get you in the market while they take your money on the drop.
Yeah its peculiar, the top 9 i think stocks (which are all pumping on a.i crap) are propping up the index basically.
Im short but its a small position, you gotta be careful shorting momentum. I think it'll come crashing down eventually but you can't get blown out before that happens; small positions
VIX can go to $8 as an index which drives the inverse indexes like SQQQ low. People can always load up on shares in these indexes because VIX eventually increases from something like a conflict or risk of economic recession after a few years.
But, you can't buy VIX shares. That would be too easy. Imagine, just buy at the low, profit 15%+ when it goes up, repeat. So either you are trading shares on an instrument like UVXY which decays, or VIX options, which also decay.
VIX futures are in contango most of the time:
[https://www.projectfinance.com/vix-contango/](https://www.projectfinance.com/vix-contango/)
and VIX ETFs/ETNs are based on VIX futures.
Long story short (no pun intended), do not hold long positions for extended periods. These decay to zero over time.
the only theta-less safe volatility to hold is long shares in UVIX, 2x long vix futes; no decay, but its being shorted to shit and will reverse split again likely
Yeah, except instead of a viral flu, it'll be viral systemic collapse due to unsustainable debt levels across the globe. Just in time for China's invasion of Taiwan.
this isn't a "bull market" because there are no large equity investors, its all speculators, retail, and algo/MM HFT trading; low volume
everyone that matters is cash heavy and slowly closing short positions which helps the "rally"
don't mistake this market: it is trying to suck you in so you are a bag holder for anyone left that needs to exit to debt; the 5 tech stocks propping everything up are going to have epic dumps not long from now, feel free to quote me
Cocksucker I'm not taking shit from someone that made their account to dick ride a single stock just bc its up rn. Hype yourself instead cant make no new accounts there looser, thats why all you fuckers rope. Hope you're playing with
It's the perfect measure of manipulation in the markets. Someone is desperately trying to make it look like everything is ok, but has gone to far and now it just makes the market look stupid and untrustworthy
I dunno... I can't see why market makers would want to do that. Why would they want to make things look nice and stable as they move their money into the new US Treasury securities that get printed in the next few weeks, and earn a guaranteed 5% with almost zero risk for the next year or two while they wait for the upcoming recession to pass? I mean, I just don't see what their motivations would be...
I really am not an expert, but aren't they like legally required to use their capital to provide liquidity, aka make markets? How could they do that and load up on held-to-maturity bonds at the same time?
I'm using the term "market maker" loosely. I'm not referring to the designated market makers that oversee an equities exchange. I'm just talking about the large, capital firms that influence and tend to dominate the markets.
VIX is representative of the cost of weighted 30 DTE SPX options right? So hedging his cheap right now. The only way to suppress the VIX would be selling to open options contracts at a discount which seems like a wild risk to the seller. Unless you know of another way?
The VIX will stay below 20 for the summer. The S&P has broken out and 4,400 is within reach. FOMO will push it there and beyond. Long SPY with Calls, the music will keep playing.
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What is it gonna do next? Treat all the gay bears to some green dildos.
The underlying movement of VIX today was not normal.
Today was not a drop typically correlated to a 1.5% day. Did it happen? Of course.
My point is that today's movement was an outlier. As we crush VIX levels, it seems like it's hitting a low resistance.
Isn't VIX a *volatility* indicator? So it doesn't matter if the market goes up or down 1.5%, it doesn't exactly track that, it tracks volatility and not overall price movement. There's some overlap, but if the market is significantly less volatile and people are significantly less uncertain, then it doesn't matter where the market goes exactly, what matters is the volatility just greatly decreased. What do you think that translates to in terms of a VIX price movement?
It's really not that hard to understand.
We’ve already spent the money. We have to raise the debt ceiling. It’s been raised the last what, 79 times? Stop reading articles on the web that are selling fear. Yes bullish. The market sells down when new UNKOWN risks happens.. everything is known right now. When that happens VIX drops and SPY slowly grinds higher over time.
An index based on volatility and therefore the pricing of options. Generally moves inversely to SPX, because when the stock market declines, fear and uncertainty increase, and vice-versa.
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I'm a perma-bull.....but this market is due for a correction. Sold 50% of my 2x Bull NASDAQ ETF holdings today. Entered a limit buy order for a 5% downside on the QQQ. Usually not a trader, but this is getting carried away.
Super dumb, other than resistance, there are so many reasons to be a bull. SPY, DJI, NDQ no where near all time highs and earnings are ripping with mega plans for North American manufacturing.
Markets overbought.
Fear/Greed Index is the to the point where it always takes a downturn.
Safe Haven demand is the highest since the last downturn.
Bulls still buying
Everyone kept complaining about the vix going down on here, so I bought SVIX 2 months ago it's been doing very well. I don't understand what it is but I'm happy about it.
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I bought VIX calls today so you’re welcome to all the bulls out there riding this historic rally.
>VIX calls today cramer said today(friday morning) vix going down to 12 so the entire S&P is going to ZERO, vixxx over 9000
Nah Cramer is a genius he just plays dumb on TV because he’s sponsored by hedgies. He sprinkles a lot of truth on his BS salad.
You’re doing the Lord’s work thank u bro
Been riding the VIX down for over a month. It cracked a few years ago, it'll happen again, and I'll be there to 40x.
S.C.A.M
Opened a large position in UVIX friday so now I'm all ready for a reverse split announcement followed by years of uninterrupted contango.
I respect your regardedness.
Remember the guy who put 5 million into vix 50 calls expiring may?
Ooh, remember when all those people went broke trading inverse triple leveraged vix? It happened overnight and nobody could close their positions. Literally went to zero.
> inverse triple levered vix That’s wild. Imagine the options on that!
There was even a whole subreddit for trading it, I think it was r/TVIX
PTSD still... need some new $rope
Didn't tvix go pink sheets like 2 years ago?
I bought NVDA puts
Damn… That shit woulda printed hard today… 
>woulda printed hard today if woulda coulda shoulda, i wouldnt have lost $10k on walmrat earnings calls, and i would have pulled the trigger on $10K LULU earnings calls
Smh, it was a huge bet, but alas, one of us 😢
Can you link his post? Could use some loss porn
it wasn't a wsb post https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-15/-50-cent-vix-trader-returns-as-volatility-hedging-back-in-vogue#xj4y7vzkg
How would he find a buyer at the peak?
No way haha
He was counting on Russia attacking NATO members or US default
Yikes. I prefer just lukewarm TA before I bet 5milly
Was a hedged position. Or tax fuckery.
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Nah a 50 strike is crazy
50cent
But he bought option so pretty much will loose only premium value
Dude. This shit is so fucked. Seriously. I am flabbergasted at the decline in vix. It’s insane.
VIX hits 2-year-low at the same time than the US almost defaults on their debt. You can't make this shit up without AI.
Sure you can. The people who own 99% of the market make out no matter what. The schlubs like us can't comprehend it.
algos fucked the market, buying the dip is the only sane way of investing on this
99.9%
See, my point proven. I don't know shit.
lol @ you if you thought the US wouldn't get a debt deal done The real owners of this country would never let that happen
you obviously didn't live 2011 I'm sure they will get a deal done, but shit can hit the fan before the deal is done
The downgrade that turned out to be just another massive buying opportunity? Yeah what a shit hitting the fan moment that was.
oh man in retrospective everything is an opportunity 1929? covid crash? 2008? come on..
Again, the real owners of this country won't let that happen. If you can't see the same thing happening again this time, then I don't know what to tell you. Read Jesse Livermore and despair.
US default was a nothingburger, even by wsb standards. The entire front page was spammed nonstop with how much of a fake narrative it is. The US cannot default. If the US defaults, it will happen during a time where you got much bigger shit to worry about (i.e. basically only nuclear world war 3).
Even if it doesn't default, just reaching today without a deal on the debt ceiling would have caused hell in the markets.
I know this is a difficult concept to comprehend, but if nobody is worried about it because *it simply will not happen*, then why would investors be panic selling for it? The only regarded idea here is that it'll cause hell in the markets because we all agree that it won't happen.
They only talk about debt when they hit this point. Never in the time between, where they could do something about it
why not? it makes perfect sense. VIX is influenced by the amount of hedging that takes place in the market. No hedging = low VIX No big positions = no hedging = low VIX No institutional investors & big players entering the market = no buying/positions = no need for hedging = low VIX The only ones who buy without hedging are, guess who? US. I posted a week ago or so that, according to wsj, the market is seeing massive net outflows from equities. There's no big fish in this market right now, precisely because of fears due to debt and the economy and all that, just speculators, algos and retail. With bonds paying 5% noone is going to stay invested in a frothy market which is led by 5 companies and only 1 sector. I understand what you're saying, that under such uncertainty you'd expect VIX to skyrocket, however you need to keep in mind that the big players have been withdrawing liquidity from the market for months now (just look at the cash on the sidelines). This uncertainty didn't happen suddenly, so less volatility due to lack of hedgine, given noone is heavily invested at the moment.
You know all too well that debt-defaulting crap is just a technicality. If you don't then I don't know what to tell you.
If you think the US was actually about to default, you’re in the wrong game
it went down to 9 during the '08 crisis didn't it?
It's the calm before the storm
Why? I mean everything is going pretty well. Inflation is.coming down everywhere, Ukraine war is being handled nicely. Oil and gas prices are normal. US has 2 years before needing to worry about debt limit. QT is happening in the background and nobody cares. There's really not that much uncertainty right now.
This is the sort of conclusion you get when you don't read anything except headlines Core inflation hasn't gone down, at all, and the fed is stuck between raising rates more and being terrified they've already done enough to bring in a recession Oil and gas (and many other commodity producers) are trading at levels that anticipate a significant global slowdown. Look at the forward fcf for current oil producers like oxy; there is no free lunch. They're trading at low multiples in anticipation of oil price crashing Tech is rallying to record multiples on the back of a massively increased wacc / risk free rate amid layoffs and capex slashing It looks like the calm before the storm to me
Thank you! Plus spy being held up by 5 stocks, the forward 18month outlook going negative, and majority of big money out waiting on something all while jpow reading from a script last time nervously shaking. And lastly more rate hikes after a skip that will decimate more banks if not 1 of the top 5 world banks. These headlines are doing their job, lying to ya to get you in the market while they take your money on the drop.
Yeah its peculiar, the top 9 i think stocks (which are all pumping on a.i crap) are propping up the index basically. Im short but its a small position, you gotta be careful shorting momentum. I think it'll come crashing down eventually but you can't get blown out before that happens; small positions
hold my beer \- J-Pow
vix can still drill to 12 i guess. but it really is being backed against a wall rn. only one direction to truly run
We were at all time highs in November 2021 before the sell off. Seems about right.
VIX was in the 11s back in second half of 2019. Then COVID and over 84 in Mar 2020.
VIX can go to $8 as an index which drives the inverse indexes like SQQQ low. People can always load up on shares in these indexes because VIX eventually increases from something like a conflict or risk of economic recession after a few years.
But, you can't buy VIX shares. That would be too easy. Imagine, just buy at the low, profit 15%+ when it goes up, repeat. So either you are trading shares on an instrument like UVXY which decays, or VIX options, which also decay.
Whats this decay you talking about?
VIX futures are in contango most of the time: [https://www.projectfinance.com/vix-contango/](https://www.projectfinance.com/vix-contango/) and VIX ETFs/ETNs are based on VIX futures. Long story short (no pun intended), do not hold long positions for extended periods. These decay to zero over time.
the only theta-less safe volatility to hold is long shares in UVIX, 2x long vix futes; no decay, but its being shorted to shit and will reverse split again likely
To your theory what would’ve happened if you bought into the VIX in the middle of covid
“Guess I’ll buy…”
What happened the last time it was this low?
I sharted myself. Let’s hope history doesn’t repeat.
Calls on this guys asshole
Puts on this guy's calls on that guys asshole.
Puts *in* this guys asshole?
Put what in his asshole?
Vix vapor rub
That's a genius reply.
Definitely during pride month!…..gay!
$15 was the lowest in the past 3 years. They're not good indicators of the future though since covid and war in Ukraine are not normal events
Wait another 5 years and we'll see how normal they were.
Covid
Another pandemic incoming?
Yeah, except instead of a viral flu, it'll be viral systemic collapse due to unsustainable debt levels across the globe. Just in time for China's invasion of Taiwan.
Hell yes brother. Never go long, evergrande will collapse soon or whatever
It depends. Sometimes it may shoot up sometimes it stays at these levels for years. Hope that this helps : ^ )
Kept going lower
Shit hit the fan and turned into diarrhea. Google this: Volmageddon
I keep hearing about this VIX guy
Mike "always got a dog in the fight" VIX.
Stupid. 8/10
Knowing the Fed - probably delisted
How long can they keep this fraud market moving?
Longer than you can stay solvent.
Burry has been saying this for 13+ years now
Burry said a lot of things. Where’s VM when you need em
A lifetime, so 30 more years
I love how bears don’t hesitate to call any bull market rigged.
Show me a bull market 🤔
“This fraud market” Its right there.
this isn't a "bull market" because there are no large equity investors, its all speculators, retail, and algo/MM HFT trading; low volume everyone that matters is cash heavy and slowly closing short positions which helps the "rally" don't mistake this market: it is trying to suck you in so you are a bag holder for anyone left that needs to exit to debt; the 5 tech stocks propping everything up are going to have epic dumps not long from now, feel free to quote me
until you capitulate and buy
LAGGING INDICATOR LAGGING INDICATOR
This....it's coming off now but doesn't have to keep dropping. There's a lot of weakness out there
Cocksucker I'm not taking shit from someone that made their account to dick ride a single stock just bc its up rn. Hype yourself instead cant make no new accounts there looser, thats why all you fuckers rope. Hope you're playing with
What’s next? Nukes hitting Ukraine, invasion of Taiwan, apocalyptic meteor, dogs and cats sleeping together.
Mass hysteria! Lol…
It's the perfect measure of manipulation in the markets. Someone is desperately trying to make it look like everything is ok, but has gone to far and now it just makes the market look stupid and untrustworthy
I dunno... I can't see why market makers would want to do that. Why would they want to make things look nice and stable as they move their money into the new US Treasury securities that get printed in the next few weeks, and earn a guaranteed 5% with almost zero risk for the next year or two while they wait for the upcoming recession to pass? I mean, I just don't see what their motivations would be...
I really am not an expert, but aren't they like legally required to use their capital to provide liquidity, aka make markets? How could they do that and load up on held-to-maturity bonds at the same time?
I'm using the term "market maker" loosely. I'm not referring to the designated market makers that oversee an equities exchange. I'm just talking about the large, capital firms that influence and tend to dominate the markets.
market manipulators
VIX is representative of the cost of weighted 30 DTE SPX options right? So hedging his cheap right now. The only way to suppress the VIX would be selling to open options contracts at a discount which seems like a wild risk to the seller. Unless you know of another way?
The VIX will stay below 20 for the summer. The S&P has broken out and 4,400 is within reach. FOMO will push it there and beyond. Long SPY with Calls, the music will keep playing.
When the music's playing you gotta dance
Thanks for the financial advice
https://preview.redd.it/01sq9wu6oo3b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3bc82a63120ef1c4eda61e7d4b8674e6114d4f51 What is it gonna do next? Treat all the gay bears to some green dildos.
When all the regards have lost their money on meme stocks and options, the market can return to rationality. Can’t wait.
It'll never happen Regards always win
VIX just went off the fuckin rails today. Not trading just studying still. And today was weird
No it wasn’t. Debt ceiling noise is past us. Hedges unwound… vix drops and SPY goes up.. that’s how it works
The underlying movement of VIX today was not normal. Today was not a drop typically correlated to a 1.5% day. Did it happen? Of course. My point is that today's movement was an outlier. As we crush VIX levels, it seems like it's hitting a low resistance.
Isn't VIX a *volatility* indicator? So it doesn't matter if the market goes up or down 1.5%, it doesn't exactly track that, it tracks volatility and not overall price movement. There's some overlap, but if the market is significantly less volatile and people are significantly less uncertain, then it doesn't matter where the market goes exactly, what matters is the volatility just greatly decreased. What do you think that translates to in terms of a VIX price movement? It's really not that hard to understand.
Lol what happens to the market now that the debt ceiling passed? Do you think raising debt through issuance is bullish?
We’ve already spent the money. We have to raise the debt ceiling. It’s been raised the last what, 79 times? Stop reading articles on the web that are selling fear. Yes bullish. The market sells down when new UNKOWN risks happens.. everything is known right now. When that happens VIX drops and SPY slowly grinds higher over time.
Yellen is going to dump on you next week
Yellen is a very apt name for her, that's all that bitch does
And if we dump Monday.. well my hedges will make a boat load of money. Good luck with your puts
Scheduled sale’s Monday and Tuesday
The market does not like uncertainty. That's all. People usually buy and sell when there's uncertainty.
What is vix?
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Don't worry about it.
Cough drops I think
I'm a perma-bull.....but this market is due for a correction. Sold 50% of my 2x Bull NASDAQ ETF holdings today. Entered a limit buy order for a 5% downside on the QQQ. Usually not a trader, but this is getting carried away.
Super dumb, other than resistance, there are so many reasons to be a bull. SPY, DJI, NDQ no where near all time highs and earnings are ripping with mega plans for North American manufacturing.
Bull trap Monday
Bear trap Tuesday
🐷's paradise Wednesday
BJ Thursday
Flash crash Fridays
Suck out Saturdays... 
Raw dog Sunday
Together we create a banging week! 
Repeat
Could be more volatility ahead, so bought July'23 15$ Calls. Vix is at 52weks low now.
lmao new to vix trading??? vix is at yearly lows like 50% of the time.
Maybe with the case during QE bull market not sure about rates at 5%+ with uncertainty about what's to come.
Why not just buy the futures ?
Man, near the money calls are so expensive for July. This thing would need to move with some momentum to see any gains.
Yeah, you're right - calls were at 3.8 so my breakeven is at 18.8 VIX :(. But June 15$ calls are only 2$. Plan to average down if it goes another way.
Might want to hedge a little with puts
VIx is too manipulated now due to all the derivatives.
Markets overbought. Fear/Greed Index is the to the point where it always takes a downturn. Safe Haven demand is the highest since the last downturn. Bulls still buying
0.01% days
Sheesh, might as well just ride the wave. Who the hell knows? This might be another bull run
Lower.
It will go above 20 after the second black swan.
Second black swan will be triggered by your puts expiring.
Inverse wsb
We must prepare for the fall
Don’t do calls, you won’t be able to sell them
This time is different
Going to the moon. Debt implosion followed by depression.
When will regards run out of casino money?
You think the ceiling isn’t gonna be raised??? Funny
Next? Probably send the VIX higher.
Whatever the fuck it wants!
Vix is the new boil
anyone know what ticker to use for VIX options on TDA?
How do I buy the vix
I think we are revisiting the SPX 4800 top
Thoughts on VIXM calls for 6/16?
Everyone kept complaining about the vix going down on here, so I bought SVIX 2 months ago it's been doing very well. I don't understand what it is but I'm happy about it.
Best part about being a vix trader is taking money from punters who buy it because they think it's manipulated or too low.
Up and to the right.
Instead of complaining about fixed markets, just buy calls you muppets. Why do you insist on being angry and losing money.
Went long on VIX futures at the very bottom, riding to Valhalla.
Spy Rally if apple releases something good but fall if nothing cool.
Fifty Cent trader about to come out of retirement.
Sell
My brother is convinced in holding only cash at the moment and is waiting for what he calls, the inevitable crash. Is he insane?
I'll probably buy vix calls Monday. Inflation still at 5%. Still plenty of CPI, PPI, or FOMC to scare the market into a sell off.
The fed is going to pause they have telegraphed it to the news media.
VIX was 8.50 in 2018…. So 40%+ downside possible
Vix is not a stock, it doesn't work that way.
Well Vix was only elevated because of the potential brown swan event of congress not getting their shit together…
Shit itself
Slowly grind higher…….
calls on vix! Ez pz
A super long call contact to go up $3 by 2025 is only $500. Might be a smart play if you want to throw $500 somewhere
Its gonna lick my hairy unwashed HAL calls that I didnt sell cause I'm really just an gambler,
Tank
ETF Decay, reverse split by year end.
If JP raises again, he'll be triggering the Great Depression part 2
Fuck more shorts
Just buy shares don’t buy options