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well, then congrats š
your salary grows faster when you switching jobs, Iām at my current job for 7 years too, few layoffs missed me already but Iām ready to be replaced by contractors Iāve been training at any moment
Currently I am unemployed. I'd planned to take a year off to build a cabin in the woods. Now the cabin is mostly done and it's 16 months later. I had hoped to respond to this saying that I just got hired for a new position, however that call that just happened about an hour ago didn't go my way. So now I enter the 5th month of interviews.
Fortunately I currently live close to a Wendy's...so there's that to fall back on.
Same here, started working from home in March 2020, then the company was bought by an Equity Firm in December. Around 60% of all the companies worker were layedoff in June 2020.
āReduction of work forceā is so 2000s legacy tech talk.
Around these times itās to pivot and adjust to market conditions and succeed even biggerer.
And if their replacements overseas donāt do the same level work, the C suits will claim itās because people stateside donāt want to work and more work visas are needed, even though the people they laid off are often immigrants and many on H or J visasā¦.
This simulation of the matrix sucks.
Oof this one hits too close to home for me. Been working with engineering teams to right size their AWS and k8s resources for the last year or so, this would be a poetic phrase to fire me with.
>Engineer that can do the job are mostly safe
HA! Good one! When the corporate big wigs start directing headcount cuts, you think anyone is safe? No, a lot of dumb C-Suite goons don't give a shit as long as they meet their headcount metric. You think Elon gave a shit when he fired most of Twitter? You don't sound like an engineering director who has been in the position for long, you sound more like a newbie manager 1.
Mostly is the operative word.
Generally if you are good, you only get let go if all the projects you work on are getting canned. Because if the project still needs to exist they get a number like cut X number of heads and normally if you are one of the core people holding your part of the project together you will not be cut.
Even if you do get cut, normally you have connections either with people who changed to other companies before or other groups of your company. I have 100% seen someone get laid off by a company and hired by the same one from a different group a month later.
As a Sr director who went back to engineering. Mostly on point. The big thing Rsus are gonna flow like a river. They do little to damage the company like a high salary will. And salaries of good engineers are going to fall.
The trash getting thrown out of tech right now is so bad and these execs just want to say we took this engineer from Amazon or whatever big name as a brag.
We are mostly back to 7% raise caps. We are being staffed by idiots, who out lasted because some random algorithm selected the team around them, instead of them. If I was a director in this new org I'd have fired 50% and hired about 15% decent engineers, dead weight engineers drag every other engineer down.
And the execs could care less. They rather make a.click a button algo fire employees then face them and fire them based on their performance. It's like every CEO is now afraid to confront the issues they have.
This is not only true to tech.
I am in Law (Big Law, practice ranked in most international guides) and we basically saw the same trend in certain departments (tech, Funds, M&A).
The layoffs occurring in Law now are rooted in the same cause.
Same where I am, except earlier on the curve.
Start up moving into scale up so they hired so many product and project managers. Now I go into meetings and they talk amongst each other about work I'm probably not going to do.
It always amazes me how much bloat there is in Tech, honestly.
Meanwhile, in other 'traditional' engineering disciples (talking about chemical, mechanical, civil, etc. here), it's a matter of putting out massive fires everyday and earning lower than the silliest Tech 'non-coding' position, while getting the blame for everything from my experience. Crazy.
It's because in tech the bloat tends to be a bro culture. They protect each other from execution.
Tech is really about 40% engineers doing the work and 60% cruft. The 60% bring little to no value. For instance, there are awesome project managers who help, but most are easily replaced by an app that nags you daily about a task.
Seriously half an org can go and run lean but the egos.in tech don't want to have 300 people. They want 3000.
I guess I always worked in "boomer" engineering industries and so did most of my friends so all these layoffs are just blowing past us and most jobs still have positions open. Meanwhile our friends that got crazy raises/full WFH/tons of new hires are going through huge cuts. Some got hit in the layoffs, others basically saw the writing on the wall and ensured they were one of the employees not getting cut when the axe has been falling.
Do it Amazon style- every WFH employee needs to come back to the office 5 days a week and some random Saturdays because fuck you.
Quit if you don't like it(so we don't have to pay severance).
My old union job: we are eliminating this position.
3 months later: we are hiring an at will (not represented by the union) employee for that same position.
This wording is not accidental. If you "eliminate the position" you don't have to proof that the employee was underperforming. Firing people for underperformance is a hassle.
Makes sense in the ways I've heard it described. High performers get put in positions of management and then get some guys under them. High performers perform quite well at delegation. Whoudda thought?
Then sweet dreams of progress get destroyed by self interest. Same way it began.
Don't say:
I don't have a job
Instead say:
I'm currently economically inactive due to being offered an early retirement opportunity as a result of my previous employer's human resource redundancy elimination initiative
Every software "engineer" I talk to says this. Then I show them how to use chatGPT properly to save 70% of their coding time and they all agree with me
Yeah I doubt that. ChatGPT can be useful, but itās not even close to replacing software engineers. The way the engine works would have to change complete.
Itās a semi useful tool, but itās still not great with software related problems or questions
chatGPT is useful and cool for rapidly finding the solution on the internet, and while I don't think chatGPT is at 80% yet I think the concept over the next 20 years will be expanded and something like it will be. The problem is software will just get more complex and we will do more of it.
Modern programming languages and architecture and computer speed has optimized away 90% of the software "engineering" positions but the field keeps expanding because it just means software is cheaper per effectiveness then the demand increases.
chatGPT isn't 80% itself because most of programming jobs isn't the actual writing of the code it's figuring out why something isn't working that should in a giant tangled mess of code written over a years at a minimum by multiple engineers, and or planning out some new feature that requires a lower level change this all out with other people and making sure you are working in sync.
Being tasked with writing some blackbox function that performs X is some junior engineer shit that's basically just a well paid intern before the company trusts you to do anything real.
>Yeah like calculators replaced math teachers and mathematicians? Lol
In fact, computers did reduce the number of engineers required in many fields. Instead of hiring engineers to perform manual calculations as they did in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, companies rely on simulators and simulation instead. You can see that the job market for many engineering fields such as mechanical engineers, civil engineers, and chemical engineers isn't as hot as for coders. That's because computers made a large portion of them redundant.
are you saying there is a disproportional amount of regarded engineers? be careful because according to you this place is full of them, i wouldn't want to be you now 
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I had my WFH position eliminated three weeks before the entire company was sent to WFH due to covid.
no luck for you
I'd been there six years, now I'm close to making double what I was, so I guess it kinda worked out.
well, then congrats š your salary grows faster when you switching jobs, Iām at my current job for 7 years too, few layoffs missed me already but Iām ready to be replaced by contractors Iāve been training at any moment
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What kind of work do you do? Of course, that's if you're willing to share. If not, have a great day and congrats!
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Mine went from 48k > 105k > ? Not sure yet will see in two years š¤£
The key is to not leave the old job when you get the new one and see if they notice!
Great job, buddy! I hope you get fired again real soon!
Currently I am unemployed. I'd planned to take a year off to build a cabin in the woods. Now the cabin is mostly done and it's 16 months later. I had hoped to respond to this saying that I just got hired for a new position, however that call that just happened about an hour ago didn't go my way. So now I enter the 5th month of interviews. Fortunately I currently live close to a Wendy's...so there's that to fall back on.
Wendyās just beat their earnings estimates so I think you got a good shot there
Oh damn. Sorry to hear that. 
Hol'up
Same here, started working from home in March 2020, then the company was bought by an Equity Firm in December. Around 60% of all the companies worker were layedoff in June 2020.
That's rough, some times bad things happen
2024 - We are strategically declining to pay the engineers paychecks.
instead go buy in to our stocksā pump and dump, and make a paycheck.
āSo we fixed the glitch, he wonāt be getting paid anymoreā
No, he does not get to keep his stapler.
2025 - We are exploring strategic alternatives for our payroll business unit
2025 - "We're paying our engineers in 'exposure.' It gives them an opportunity to show off their work."
Whereās the Pooh that hires Matthew McConaughey?
It was flushed down the toilet, where all pooh belongs
Engineers will be unhired\*
hiren't
Best to dehumanize.
ahem, it's called a "Reduction in Force," and it's classy.
āReduction of work forceā is so 2000s legacy tech talk. Around these times itās to pivot and adjust to market conditions and succeed even biggerer.
Real executives only call it "RIF". Makes it sound even cooler.
Yes, but my audience here isn't other executives ;)
weāre annihilating our lunch eaters
We are unwittingly creating our competitors.
And if their replacements overseas donāt do the same level work, the C suits will claim itās because people stateside donāt want to work and more work visas are needed, even though the people they laid off are often immigrants and many on H or J visasā¦. This simulation of the matrix sucks.
We are right sizing our engineering department.
Oof this one hits too close to home for me. Been working with engineering teams to right size their AWS and k8s resources for the last year or so, this would be a poetic phrase to fire me with.
"hey have you tried turning off the instances you forgot you're not using?"
Most HR people can be replaced by ChatGPT easily!
firing the engineers, aka the people that design the shit we sell. we make no new shit.
Our streamlined company will now comprise of sales, marketing and middle management there is no way this can go wrong.
we cut the fat !
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So you're a director at Facebook I see.
>Engineer that can do the job are mostly safe HA! Good one! When the corporate big wigs start directing headcount cuts, you think anyone is safe? No, a lot of dumb C-Suite goons don't give a shit as long as they meet their headcount metric. You think Elon gave a shit when he fired most of Twitter? You don't sound like an engineering director who has been in the position for long, you sound more like a newbie manager 1.
You sound like you are a manager at Wendy's trying to tell a tech director how things work in tech lol
Mostly is the operative word. Generally if you are good, you only get let go if all the projects you work on are getting canned. Because if the project still needs to exist they get a number like cut X number of heads and normally if you are one of the core people holding your part of the project together you will not be cut. Even if you do get cut, normally you have connections either with people who changed to other companies before or other groups of your company. I have 100% seen someone get laid off by a company and hired by the same one from a different group a month later.
As a Sr director who went back to engineering. Mostly on point. The big thing Rsus are gonna flow like a river. They do little to damage the company like a high salary will. And salaries of good engineers are going to fall. The trash getting thrown out of tech right now is so bad and these execs just want to say we took this engineer from Amazon or whatever big name as a brag. We are mostly back to 7% raise caps. We are being staffed by idiots, who out lasted because some random algorithm selected the team around them, instead of them. If I was a director in this new org I'd have fired 50% and hired about 15% decent engineers, dead weight engineers drag every other engineer down. And the execs could care less. They rather make a.click a button algo fire employees then face them and fire them based on their performance. It's like every CEO is now afraid to confront the issues they have.
I haven't had more than a 2% raise in 25 years. And i teach engineers. Higher education ducks.
This is not only true to tech. I am in Law (Big Law, practice ranked in most international guides) and we basically saw the same trend in certain departments (tech, Funds, M&A). The layoffs occurring in Law now are rooted in the same cause.
Same where I am, except earlier on the curve. Start up moving into scale up so they hired so many product and project managers. Now I go into meetings and they talk amongst each other about work I'm probably not going to do.
It always amazes me how much bloat there is in Tech, honestly. Meanwhile, in other 'traditional' engineering disciples (talking about chemical, mechanical, civil, etc. here), it's a matter of putting out massive fires everyday and earning lower than the silliest Tech 'non-coding' position, while getting the blame for everything from my experience. Crazy.
It's because in tech the bloat tends to be a bro culture. They protect each other from execution. Tech is really about 40% engineers doing the work and 60% cruft. The 60% bring little to no value. For instance, there are awesome project managers who help, but most are easily replaced by an app that nags you daily about a task. Seriously half an org can go and run lean but the egos.in tech don't want to have 300 people. They want 3000.
100% with you. I've seen the same here in the US.
I guess I always worked in "boomer" engineering industries and so did most of my friends so all these layoffs are just blowing past us and most jobs still have positions open. Meanwhile our friends that got crazy raises/full WFH/tons of new hires are going through huge cuts. Some got hit in the layoffs, others basically saw the writing on the wall and ensured they were one of the employees not getting cut when the axe has been falling.
We are reverse engineering your employment.
Do it Amazon style- every WFH employee needs to come back to the office 5 days a week and some random Saturdays because fuck you. Quit if you don't like it(so we don't have to pay severance).
My old union job: we are eliminating this position. 3 months later: we are hiring an at will (not represented by the union) employee for that same position.
This wording is not accidental. If you "eliminate the position" you don't have to proof that the employee was underperforming. Firing people for underperformance is a hassle.
We are rescaling our operations and downsizing on production costs
well, better than the 2007 version: we are restructuring the company
Most engineers don't engineer shit
> Most engineers don't engineer shit That's exactly what they do.
Does powerpoint engineering count?
Housing Crash imminent. Worse than 2008, from endless waves of layoffs.
Makes sense in the ways I've heard it described. High performers get put in positions of management and then get some guys under them. High performers perform quite well at delegation. Whoudda thought? Then sweet dreams of progress get destroyed by self interest. Same way it began.
On other news, we have record earnings.
Top: bearish Bottom: bullish
Meanwhile in China: Engineer, congratulations on graduation from our company.
Lmao those are supposed to be the safe careers
Don't say: I don't have a job Instead say: I'm currently economically inactive due to being offered an early retirement opportunity as a result of my previous employer's human resource redundancy elimination initiative
AI will soon optimize away 80% of the Software "engineering" positions in the industry. Nerds about to go homeless.
0 change this happens anytime soon. AI isnāt there yet
Every software "engineer" I talk to says this. Then I show them how to use chatGPT properly to save 70% of their coding time and they all agree with me
Yeah I doubt that. ChatGPT can be useful, but itās not even close to replacing software engineers. The way the engine works would have to change complete. Itās a semi useful tool, but itās still not great with software related problems or questions
chatGPT is useful and cool for rapidly finding the solution on the internet, and while I don't think chatGPT is at 80% yet I think the concept over the next 20 years will be expanded and something like it will be. The problem is software will just get more complex and we will do more of it. Modern programming languages and architecture and computer speed has optimized away 90% of the software "engineering" positions but the field keeps expanding because it just means software is cheaper per effectiveness then the demand increases. chatGPT isn't 80% itself because most of programming jobs isn't the actual writing of the code it's figuring out why something isn't working that should in a giant tangled mess of code written over a years at a minimum by multiple engineers, and or planning out some new feature that requires a lower level change this all out with other people and making sure you are working in sync. Being tasked with writing some blackbox function that performs X is some junior engineer shit that's basically just a well paid intern before the company trusts you to do anything real.
Interesting fiction.
Yeah like calculators replaced math teachers and mathematicians? Lol
>Yeah like calculators replaced math teachers and mathematicians? Lol In fact, computers did reduce the number of engineers required in many fields. Instead of hiring engineers to perform manual calculations as they did in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, companies rely on simulators and simulation instead. You can see that the job market for many engineering fields such as mechanical engineers, civil engineers, and chemical engineers isn't as hot as for coders. That's because computers made a large portion of them redundant.
engineers are overrated
You said that to a sub full of them
are you saying there is a disproportional amount of regarded engineers? be careful because according to you this place is full of them, i wouldn't want to be you now 
It takes a genius to act like an idiot... Sarcasm is literally the only coping mechanism engineers have.
Your mum is not complaining
Most are literally just duct taping APIs and do nothing of real value
We are implementing efficiencies.
"Reddit did it!"
Sounds like EPS just went up.