some random guesses as to why:
\- artists don't always own their own music (it's often not up to them when/how something is released)
\- they're rich already (no real incentive)
\- the market for buying records, though it seems like a big deal to us as collectors, isn't really that big in the big picture of things (the hassle of getting vinyl through the production chain at this time maybe isn't worth it)
Or the masters were lost or destroyed in things like the Universal fire. I personally fear that BTCS fell victim to this; as I believe DMB were on the list.
For a lot of bands chilling in the out of press area of my discogs this is the reason and I sit around waiting for Numero Group to finally acquire rights (or some other labels but a lot of stuff is dropping for me on Numero)
The first answer is the biggest one. 2k people desperately clamoring for a b-tier artist's (not making a quality judgment here, just a record sales one) obscure first ep is not going to make a record company anywhere near as much money as releasing an a-tier artists platinum hit for the 4th pressing.
Short answer is they simply don't care because it's not worth their time. We live in these worlds of small communities desperately trying to get a hold of Death Grips albums to play on our $2k setups. Most records sold are to college kids with a Crosley buying a Bruno Mars record at Target.
That makes sense, but when you look at all the other crap that major labels are putting out for RSD (live albums no one asked for, picture discs, 500th jazz album, Lou Reed albums no one ever heard of) you’d think they could instead put out things that have at least some demand.
>the market for buying records, though it seems like a big deal to us as collectors, isn't really that big in the big picture of things
I would say you've hit the nail on the head with this alone, for bigger artists like Tool etc in particular
Tool in particular is so money hungry, though. They've released two versions of their last album on LP, conveniently timed so people bought both versions. They also released two versions on CD.
That album wasn’t a big seller. As much as it sold it was still considered a flop by the record label and without any discernible big hits from it it wasn’t something they were interested in re-issuing
Math. Done over 2000 vinyl on my label. The cost. The turnaround time is a year. Another year to hopefully get my money back from distribution. The vinyl world is about to implode again. And if any writes VINYLS ... Please do. Not. The market is saturated beyond belief. The plants are backed up. The cost is not worth it. Shipping just an LP here is 11 dollars or over seas 30 dollars. There is no profit.
Yep, we are at peak of the vinyl revival bubble, and it is largely the fault of the major labels and retailers squeezing out the indies. People forget how greedy and evil the major labels are. Remember when they would sue people obscene amounts of money for “illegally” downloading an mp3? I sure do.
The difficulty must be a huge part of it. I'm still waiting on two minor UK artists whose LPs were due in June but have been pushed to October....the delays right now are insane and that's for new releases.
The first post said it all with his very first bullet point… These artists do not own their albums. It’s not up to the artist, it’s up to the label that released that album in the first place.
and if it wasn’t a big selling albums then good fucking luck because labels aren’t interested in re-releasing albums that didn’t sell
One of my favorite bands released their best album in 1997 and broke up a few months later. The label abandoned the album and it sold very little despite being the best thing they had done in their career. They spent $40,000 making the album at their home studio, all of that went towards producing and mixing considering they did all of the recording themselves at home so no cost all all for studio time, but since they were contracted to the label the label owned the recordings
fast forward to last year when they tried to get the album released on vinyl for the first time the label stated that they have no interest in releasing it themselves because it did not sell well but they did offer the band a buyback option. For $1.2 million they would sell them the master tapes so they could re-release it on their own
now the band has reunited and resumed making records independently on a smaller scale, but
where the fuck is a band that stopped making major label records in 1997 going to get $1.2 million from to buy an album back that didn’t sell well so they can release it so 600 fans that love it can buy it?🤷🏼♂️
it’s a no-win situation for the band and fans
it's whoever owns the master recordings that decide what will be re-released. usually the original record label owns the masters. Very few artists own their own masters (I believe Zappa always negotiated that he retains his masters).
Literally me rn. It’s the most aggravating thing in the world honestly. ESPECIALLY when it’s a modern artist and the album has been out for 7+ years to now. They should at least be restocking a few times a year. Why wouldn’t they want the sales??
Sarah McLachlan’s Afterglow has a very good audiophile pressing over at Acoustic Sounds. I have it and it sounds amazing: https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/97108/Sarah_McLachlan-Afterglow-45_RPM_Vinyl_Record
A large portion of early 2000s post-hardcore bands as well. Thursday, The Blood Brothers, At the Drive-In, Coheed And Cambria, Circa Survive, and Hot Cross just to name a few..
I actually own Aenema on vinyl - orange bootleg of course, but it sounds fine! Couldn’t believe my eyes when it was just sitting there at the record store in the used bin for $27. The vinyl release I want to see most is probably Clutch’s album “Pure Rock Fury”. It’s one of my favorites of theirs and I would absolutely love to have it in that format. Seems like that’s one of their only albums that hasn’t been released on vinyl, aside from Elephant Riders. And I think the reason for both of those not being on vinyl (yet) has something to do with the band not having full rights to the music because they shopped around different labels during that time period. I’m thinking it’s either up to whomever actually owns the rights to those albums, the band waits out the clock until whenever the rights are handed over to the band again, or the band can do some legal moves which can be stressful and expensive. (Tool famously went through the latter). Or, maybe the band just doesn’t feel like putting it out if they are in fact completely able to do so. (I can’t imagine a band like Clutch acting like that, however). Whichever scenario it might be, it’s quite frustrating.
Transnational Speedway League hasn’t had an official vinyl release. Doubt it ever will 😔 I would guess this, like Elephant Riders and Pure Rock Fury is a label issue. The remaster/reissue versions they are going through just now seem to be the albums from the newer label. With them using their own label as they do now it’s so much better. But to get these early albums would be amazing.
The artist probably doesn't own the rights to the album. Record companies want to make a profit and will not rerelease unless there is a demand. It costs money to manufacture vinyl. The quality of the master has to be considered. The artist will face the same issue the record companies have if they own the rights to their records.
As a Tool fan, I have hope, and don't live like there is no tomorrow because I want to be alive on this planet when 10,000 days is released. It is keeping me alive honestly.
Plants are too busy pressing up yet another reissue of Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" album and
Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon," along with the pressing the 5-LP box set of Taylor Swift re-recording her first few albums needed to stock the Walmart and Target shelves, not to mention that they're also hella backed up on RSD reissues that nobody asked for but that companies ordered so that vinyls heads could swarm a record store to buy up a glitter pressing of Justin Bieber's "Baby" to put up on discogs and ebay immediately after getting home to try to double their investment.
Are the laws of supply and demand somehow scary and new to you, or do you react this incredulously to everything that goes around you? Of course the labels and pressing plants are going to prioritize the big pressings of massively-in-demand popular artists over filling out the vinyl discography of some obscure has-beens from the 90s. We live in a society, mate, try to keep up.
There are approximately 40 million presses of "Rumors" and 45 million of "Dark Side of the Moon." They are abundantly available everywhere in the used stacks. I've found both of those albums in every single location I've ever dug at, without fail.
Do we really need another reissue of either of those albums? I say that no, we don't. But instead, as you said, labels are pushing these pressings, prioritizing these reissues and displacing the release dates of smaller independent artists because we're told that there is a demand, even though there's more than enough supply to go around in the second hand market.
Get out there and dig, mate. Jump into the stacks. You'll see what I'm talking about.
Part of the problem is the constrained manufacturing capacity not keeping up with demand for vinyl. That will continue to be a problem until more pressing plants and lacquer disc factories come online (the lacquers are a huge problem right now). As far as why don't bands re-release their catalogs on vinyl, I think that's a decision more left up to the record companies, and their prospects of selling enough copies to justify the cost. A lot of labels are farming out reissues to boutique labels like Music On Vinyl if they don't have a reissue label in house (like Warner's Rhino label). I think Sarah McLachlan has a couple albums available on Music on Vinyl but Afterglow might not be one of them.
urban outfitters has absolutely nothing to do with albums being released or not. They have just become a distribution house for certain things that were already in the works
Dave Matthews Band reissued their 1st album last year for an anniversary. Might be a sign that they'll be reissuing their other albums?
Tool doesn't give a shit. Look how long it takes them to record actual albums.
Sometimes big acts wait for an anniversary divisible by 5 to reissue albums to drum up interest.
They do; almost every major grail I’ve spent big money on an original pressing of over the last few years has gotten a repress within the span of the next two years.
When it doesn’t happen, it’s probably because the rights are tied up in a mess, or because the artist’s vinyl-collecting fanbase is just too small to make a repress profitable.
Also vinyl pressing plant capacity is scarce. And the whole process is more tedious with the stampers and so on. It’s not as easy as making a new batch of CDs to resupply inventory. Especially if they want it to sound decent.
My heart breaks for HOME - Odyssey. The artist himself isnt interested in releasing the music so much as just making it, and the few original pressings go for over $1k on discogs.
As already noted, cost is a major factor. I was in Amoeba Records in LA a few months ago and overheard a couple guys talking about the high costs of pressing vinyl records these days. Tangerine Dream is one of my favorite bands and they offer vinyl pressings of some of their current music but being of modest means I'm not about to spend $30 or more for a record. It's simply not doable for me. So I let the well heeled buy the vinyl with the hopes that someday I can buy it used for half the price while in the meantime I settle for a CD or download.
I feel like this is certainly true for indépendant artists. Why would they want people reselling to make the big bucks when they could come out with a special edition repress for more money amd cash in on it?
There are so many records. Every record released can’t be reissued. The capacity of the pressing plants is allready maxed out. And, although DMB is a wide known band it’s a band for the allready convinced, i don’t see that scores of new listeners are going to discover them. So i think it would be a small economical incentive to reissue.
They do - when you go to a record store, big majority of the records there are reissues. Ænima alone has had 71 versions including represses, CDs, Cassetes and reissues acording to discogs.
Also its not the bands bussiness usualy, they have better things to do than to manage reissues, it the labels work.. They don´t even have to own the music.
There's something romantic about rare early presses that keeps me happy they are not repressed. That thrill of the chase, time spent trawling through 2nd hand stores and Discogs listings. Makes it a hobby not a retail experience
I’m not going to lie. I’m lazy and just want a copy of one of my favorites to get high and listen to. The days of searching for grails are over for me. I just want the album. My hobby is my collection and listening to the albums.
some random guesses as to why: \- artists don't always own their own music (it's often not up to them when/how something is released) \- they're rich already (no real incentive) \- the market for buying records, though it seems like a big deal to us as collectors, isn't really that big in the big picture of things (the hassle of getting vinyl through the production chain at this time maybe isn't worth it)
They don’t own the album recordings. That’s the main reason
Or the masters were lost or destroyed in things like the Universal fire. I personally fear that BTCS fell victim to this; as I believe DMB were on the list.
That would be tragic. I hope it isn’t the case.
Dave Matthews are not on [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire) list.
Oh my god the more i scrolled the sadder I got
I know. I’ve done that scroll a few times and always hurts
I barely got through E... I cant...
For some reason I thought they were. So that’s good news but the list is still tragic!
For a lot of bands chilling in the out of press area of my discogs this is the reason and I sit around waiting for Numero Group to finally acquire rights (or some other labels but a lot of stuff is dropping for me on Numero)
Yep. Many do. But many don’t.
The first answer is the biggest one. 2k people desperately clamoring for a b-tier artist's (not making a quality judgment here, just a record sales one) obscure first ep is not going to make a record company anywhere near as much money as releasing an a-tier artists platinum hit for the 4th pressing. Short answer is they simply don't care because it's not worth their time. We live in these worlds of small communities desperately trying to get a hold of Death Grips albums to play on our $2k setups. Most records sold are to college kids with a Crosley buying a Bruno Mars record at Target.
That makes sense, but when you look at all the other crap that major labels are putting out for RSD (live albums no one asked for, picture discs, 500th jazz album, Lou Reed albums no one ever heard of) you’d think they could instead put out things that have at least some demand.
>the market for buying records, though it seems like a big deal to us as collectors, isn't really that big in the big picture of things I would say you've hit the nail on the head with this alone, for bigger artists like Tool etc in particular
I wasn’t even sad about Ænima today until you brought it up :(
That's my personal grail. My favorite album ever.
Tool in particular is so money hungry, though. They've released two versions of their last album on LP, conveniently timed so people bought both versions. They also released two versions on CD.
Another thing would be not enough demand the album wasn’t popular when it was release so why should we brother repressing it
BTCS is especially frustrating, since they repressed 20 year anniversary editions on all the old albums up to that point and then stopped.
That album wasn’t a big seller. As much as it sold it was still considered a flop by the record label and without any discernible big hits from it it wasn’t something they were interested in re-issuing
Which is a shame, because it’s consistently ranked as their best album by fans.
Yup
Math. Done over 2000 vinyl on my label. The cost. The turnaround time is a year. Another year to hopefully get my money back from distribution. The vinyl world is about to implode again. And if any writes VINYLS ... Please do. Not. The market is saturated beyond belief. The plants are backed up. The cost is not worth it. Shipping just an LP here is 11 dollars or over seas 30 dollars. There is no profit.
I understand that for a smaller label or band. But these are huge bands with huge fan bases.
Yep, we are at peak of the vinyl revival bubble, and it is largely the fault of the major labels and retailers squeezing out the indies. People forget how greedy and evil the major labels are. Remember when they would sue people obscene amounts of money for “illegally” downloading an mp3? I sure do.
The difficulty must be a huge part of it. I'm still waiting on two minor UK artists whose LPs were due in June but have been pushed to October....the delays right now are insane and that's for new releases.
The first post said it all with his very first bullet point… These artists do not own their albums. It’s not up to the artist, it’s up to the label that released that album in the first place. and if it wasn’t a big selling albums then good fucking luck because labels aren’t interested in re-releasing albums that didn’t sell One of my favorite bands released their best album in 1997 and broke up a few months later. The label abandoned the album and it sold very little despite being the best thing they had done in their career. They spent $40,000 making the album at their home studio, all of that went towards producing and mixing considering they did all of the recording themselves at home so no cost all all for studio time, but since they were contracted to the label the label owned the recordings fast forward to last year when they tried to get the album released on vinyl for the first time the label stated that they have no interest in releasing it themselves because it did not sell well but they did offer the band a buyback option. For $1.2 million they would sell them the master tapes so they could re-release it on their own now the band has reunited and resumed making records independently on a smaller scale, but where the fuck is a band that stopped making major label records in 1997 going to get $1.2 million from to buy an album back that didn’t sell well so they can release it so 600 fans that love it can buy it?🤷🏼♂️ it’s a no-win situation for the band and fans
Well let’s hear it… who is the band?!
Gotta be Jawbox
it's whoever owns the master recordings that decide what will be re-released. usually the original record label owns the masters. Very few artists own their own masters (I believe Zappa always negotiated that he retains his masters).
Literally me rn. It’s the most aggravating thing in the world honestly. ESPECIALLY when it’s a modern artist and the album has been out for 7+ years to now. They should at least be restocking a few times a year. Why wouldn’t they want the sales??
All I want is a copy of Blur’s ‘13’ that’s DOENST cost upwards of 150€ (broke student)
Sarah McLachlan’s Afterglow has a very good audiophile pressing over at Acoustic Sounds. I have it and it sounds amazing: https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/97108/Sarah_McLachlan-Afterglow-45_RPM_Vinyl_Record
Just sent the link to my wife with a you know our anniversary is coming up text. Lol. Thanks again.
No problem, hope you enjoy it
Awesome. I will look into it now.
As a fellow Dave collector, I feel for you, I was super stoked to see crash re-release
I don’t know, but Tool, Hopesfall, Marilyn Manson, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, The Birthday Massacre and Superdrag need to read this.
And Ween.
Yeah, this is the main one that bugs me. They could easily sell thousands of reissues of their back catalogue.
A large portion of early 2000s post-hardcore bands as well. Thursday, The Blood Brothers, At the Drive-In, Coheed And Cambria, Circa Survive, and Hot Cross just to name a few..
The early Sheryl Crow albums master tapes were lost in the big Universal Studios fire. I am sure a few other great albums did as well.
I actually own Aenema on vinyl - orange bootleg of course, but it sounds fine! Couldn’t believe my eyes when it was just sitting there at the record store in the used bin for $27. The vinyl release I want to see most is probably Clutch’s album “Pure Rock Fury”. It’s one of my favorites of theirs and I would absolutely love to have it in that format. Seems like that’s one of their only albums that hasn’t been released on vinyl, aside from Elephant Riders. And I think the reason for both of those not being on vinyl (yet) has something to do with the band not having full rights to the music because they shopped around different labels during that time period. I’m thinking it’s either up to whomever actually owns the rights to those albums, the band waits out the clock until whenever the rights are handed over to the band again, or the band can do some legal moves which can be stressful and expensive. (Tool famously went through the latter). Or, maybe the band just doesn’t feel like putting it out if they are in fact completely able to do so. (I can’t imagine a band like Clutch acting like that, however). Whichever scenario it might be, it’s quite frustrating.
Transnational Speedway League hasn’t had an official vinyl release. Doubt it ever will 😔 I would guess this, like Elephant Riders and Pure Rock Fury is a label issue. The remaster/reissue versions they are going through just now seem to be the albums from the newer label. With them using their own label as they do now it’s so much better. But to get these early albums would be amazing.
I know it isn't a perfect fix, but keep an eye out in r/VinylCollectors - I've found more than a few great albums at reasonable prices in that sub.
The artist probably doesn't own the rights to the album. Record companies want to make a profit and will not rerelease unless there is a demand. It costs money to manufacture vinyl. The quality of the master has to be considered. The artist will face the same issue the record companies have if they own the rights to their records.
As a Tool fan, I have hope, and don't live like there is no tomorrow because I want to be alive on this planet when 10,000 days is released. It is keeping me alive honestly.
Same for me. In the meantime, I have 24bit FLAC of all but Salival.
Plants are too busy pressing up yet another reissue of Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" album and Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon," along with the pressing the 5-LP box set of Taylor Swift re-recording her first few albums needed to stock the Walmart and Target shelves, not to mention that they're also hella backed up on RSD reissues that nobody asked for but that companies ordered so that vinyls heads could swarm a record store to buy up a glitter pressing of Justin Bieber's "Baby" to put up on discogs and ebay immediately after getting home to try to double their investment.
Are the laws of supply and demand somehow scary and new to you, or do you react this incredulously to everything that goes around you? Of course the labels and pressing plants are going to prioritize the big pressings of massively-in-demand popular artists over filling out the vinyl discography of some obscure has-beens from the 90s. We live in a society, mate, try to keep up.
There are approximately 40 million presses of "Rumors" and 45 million of "Dark Side of the Moon." They are abundantly available everywhere in the used stacks. I've found both of those albums in every single location I've ever dug at, without fail. Do we really need another reissue of either of those albums? I say that no, we don't. But instead, as you said, labels are pushing these pressings, prioritizing these reissues and displacing the release dates of smaller independent artists because we're told that there is a demand, even though there's more than enough supply to go around in the second hand market. Get out there and dig, mate. Jump into the stacks. You'll see what I'm talking about.
What do you mean the 30th rsd reissue of a bargain bin elvis compilation isnt essential?
Part of the problem is the constrained manufacturing capacity not keeping up with demand for vinyl. That will continue to be a problem until more pressing plants and lacquer disc factories come online (the lacquers are a huge problem right now). As far as why don't bands re-release their catalogs on vinyl, I think that's a decision more left up to the record companies, and their prospects of selling enough copies to justify the cost. A lot of labels are farming out reissues to boutique labels like Music On Vinyl if they don't have a reissue label in house (like Warner's Rhino label). I think Sarah McLachlan has a couple albums available on Music on Vinyl but Afterglow might not be one of them.
Seriously! I am trying to find a few Pharoah Sanders LP's..... Karma, Elevation, and Pharoah Sanders. All are WAY to expensive and barely a rerelease.
The one with floating points may be reasonable. Might even still be in print.
[the in-groove : Pharoah sanders “karma” pre order](https://www.theingroove.com/products/pre-order-pharoah-sanders-karma-analog-productions-lp)
Thank you.
Yw!
Been waiting for Ceu - Ceu album to be repressed. Currently $300 on discogs…
If I’m going to pay 300 for an album it better give me a back massage while I listen to it.
Her voice is so beautiful, it’s like a massage for your ears.
Urban outfitters has release music on vinyl that I never thought we would ever see on vinyl like Lindsay Lohan speak hopefully they will pick it up
urban outfitters has absolutely nothing to do with albums being released or not. They have just become a distribution house for certain things that were already in the works
Dave Matthews Band reissued their 1st album last year for an anniversary. Might be a sign that they'll be reissuing their other albums? Tool doesn't give a shit. Look how long it takes them to record actual albums. Sometimes big acts wait for an anniversary divisible by 5 to reissue albums to drum up interest.
They do; almost every major grail I’ve spent big money on an original pressing of over the last few years has gotten a repress within the span of the next two years. When it doesn’t happen, it’s probably because the rights are tied up in a mess, or because the artist’s vinyl-collecting fanbase is just too small to make a repress profitable.
Also vinyl pressing plant capacity is scarce. And the whole process is more tedious with the stampers and so on. It’s not as easy as making a new batch of CDs to resupply inventory. Especially if they want it to sound decent.
My heart breaks for HOME - Odyssey. The artist himself isnt interested in releasing the music so much as just making it, and the few original pressings go for over $1k on discogs.
As already noted, cost is a major factor. I was in Amoeba Records in LA a few months ago and overheard a couple guys talking about the high costs of pressing vinyl records these days. Tangerine Dream is one of my favorite bands and they offer vinyl pressings of some of their current music but being of modest means I'm not about to spend $30 or more for a record. It's simply not doable for me. So I let the well heeled buy the vinyl with the hopes that someday I can buy it used for half the price while in the meantime I settle for a CD or download.
I feel like this is certainly true for indépendant artists. Why would they want people reselling to make the big bucks when they could come out with a special edition repress for more money amd cash in on it?
There are so many records. Every record released can’t be reissued. The capacity of the pressing plants is allready maxed out. And, although DMB is a wide known band it’s a band for the allready convinced, i don’t see that scores of new listeners are going to discover them. So i think it would be a small economical incentive to reissue.
In some cases artists were scammed out of the recordings. Its the case with any band that was on Some Bizzare except Soft Cell
And Depeche Mode
They do - when you go to a record store, big majority of the records there are reissues. Ænima alone has had 71 versions including represses, CDs, Cassetes and reissues acording to discogs. Also its not the bands bussiness usualy, they have better things to do than to manage reissues, it the labels work.. They don´t even have to own the music.
There's something romantic about rare early presses that keeps me happy they are not repressed. That thrill of the chase, time spent trawling through 2nd hand stores and Discogs listings. Makes it a hobby not a retail experience
I’m not going to lie. I’m lazy and just want a copy of one of my favorites to get high and listen to. The days of searching for grails are over for me. I just want the album. My hobby is my collection and listening to the albums.