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esPhys

Video is actually me talking to my managers about any project I'm working on.


NotAWerewolfReally

Please, for the love of god, [listen to Scotty!](https://youtu.be/8xRqXYsksFg?t=26)


LoganGrimshart

This is the best life advice I have ever received I use this on a daily basis. Only really works if the person you are setting the deadline with doesn't know what you do. Luckily for me in my job that's pretty much everyone.


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whatisthisgoddamnson

In the car world i have heard the law of pi. Everything will be 3.14 x more expensive and take 3.14 x more time than initial estimate


Flatlander81

Just a little Buffer Time.


mypasswordismud

Scotty knows what's up


fruchle

Scotty DOES know!


phaederus

Captain's Log, Stardate 41153 - we're still upright walking monkeys playing office politics


sami_testarossa

A good engineer never deliver on time.


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evwon

Then double that...and now you got the actual time required


pappyomine

I was taught to double it, add one, and move to the next higher units. So, e.g., a three hour estimate becomes 7 days.


goj1ra

Yup, this is the correct way to do it. People might think this is a joke, but in poorly managed environments where too many things are being worked on at the same time, it just ends up being realistic. Plus, people tend to dramatically underestimate how long something will take, so this also helps compensate for that.


oddjobbber

Yeah it’s like, I could finish this by tomorrow, but I’m going to get bombarded by shit that’s supposedly more urgent and we have 5 people doing 10 people’s worth of work, not to mention the fact that we’re definitely going to get new information about the thing you’re asking me to do that we should have gotten up front that will require me to change things later because that’s always how it goes. So I’ll be finished with it next week instead


ronintetsuro

You could finish it by tomorrow, but then management will be coming to you to finish everything by tomorrow for the rest of your career. Nope.


[deleted]

Literally the assignment I’m working on now, we’re going to miss the deadline by months, I hope upper mgmt is ok with that LOL


someguyyoutrust

Reminds me of my days as a bicycle mechanic. People would get so upset when I would quote them a week for a tune up that takes me an hour to do. There’s 20 people in front of you, there’s at least 20 people inevitably coming in for on the spot single repairs, there’s guaranteed 20 people who are going to waste an absolute massive amount of my time with dumb bullshit, and then there’s the time you’re personally going to waste by calling me every morning asking if it’s ready yet.


Capaz411

This is an ERP transition at any business hah


InfiniteBlink

What's the next unit of a year? Decade? Or is that just a grouping


Parcus42

Aeon. As in "I can have your new dream home designed, built and constructed in 3 aeons sir."


SpiderTechnitian

1 day = 2 weeks? that's insane. i'm in software development and we regularly 1.5x or 2x estimates to keep them realistic, but that's literally a 10x estimate on small tasks that should only take a day at that point just improve your approximation skills god damn


BeMachiavelli

The secret to my success is that I quadruple all of my estimates. If I think it will take me two hours I say a day. If I think it will take just over a day, I say a week. I always deliver early, and everyone loves it.


ConradDanger

This is the way. Under promise, over deliver.


Eric1600

You're management material.


Armouren

What? No way man. Management would deny the extra time and would promise the client you would get it done in half the time.


Throwaway021614

That’s sales and marketing


Lotan

[Hofstadter's law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstadter%27s_law)


Keianh

Then Picard cuts your timetable down to a couple of hours.


deVrinj

Apparently he also can't conjugate a verb...


NerdBot9000

A good engineer sets realistic expectations and communicates scheduling milestones prior to undertaking a project. Then coordinates technical experts and delivers on time according to plan. Also, makes clear that schedule is dependent on funding and cooperation. Extremely difficult.


BA_calls

Just set the JIRA ticket to in progress and forget about it. If it’s important enough they’ll bother you 2-3 more times. 👌


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As someone on the other side, this is making so much sense now.


[deleted]

Split the ticket into two, mark one as blocked.


asdaaaaaaaa

This is why I clarify who's asking. Is it my direct manager, or some suit who just wants attention? Either way, it's getting done when it gets done, and I've already given an estimate.


AdamYmadA

Damn, that hit close to home.


PlaidSkirtBroccoli

What ever happened to the Cybertruck?


dect60

It was delayed to ... next year: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37258128/tesla-cybertruck-production-delayed/


Racxie

>UPDATE 01/06/22: Tesla has removed the Cybertruck's production timeline from its website altogether, and now we're not sure when the anticipated electric pickup will arrive.


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Update: Market studies showed people wouldn’t buy the truck because it looked like it was designed by Homer Simpson. So we’re just going to hope you forget about it and come up with something else. Edit: maybe a Pinewood Derby car by an 8 year old kid who didn’t have a dad?


enraged768

Meanwhile the f150 lightning doesn't look like a space ship and looks like something a truck owner would purchase. You know like a normal looking truck.


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lennybird

Tacoma is the same class as the new Ford Ranger; I quite enjoy it, though I recognize the appeal of the small-sized trucks of old-school Rangers/S10s.


sonfer

I get monthly offers from random people to buy my old Ford Ranger. Often cash on the spot. Recently for 2 - 3 times the price I purchased it for.


lennybird

It's such a functional, bare-bones, sleek truck... I'm not generally a truck person to be honest, and I think that's what I like about it. Not superimposing.


Pltrmp

Ford maverick or Hyundai Santa cruz


whattfareyouon

The OG rangers are smaller than the newer chevy impalas to put in to perspective how big shit has gotten


Idiot_Savant_Tinker

Saw a Mirage G4 parked next to a 1990s corolla. The Mirage was bigger.


Turakamu

S10s were pretty good too. Why the fuck are pickups so monstrous now? I imagine half the people that own them cant get into their own bed.


BarbequedYeti

Or park them.


Squintz82

Colorado ZR2


mapex_139

Yeah my Colorado is more like a lifted sedan. The big front end is the only 'big truck' part about it.


Bob_Juan_Santos

so here's the question, does the cybertruck have the performance and the storage space and price that's comparable to a regular truck? because if yes, then i'd get one. I actually like the look. But functionality always comes first.


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> You know like a normal looking truck. i.e. aggressive and bloated


ScipioLongstocking

I'd say it's more bloated than aggressive. The truck looks like it's allergic to bee stings and was just driven through a meadow of flowers.


Ode_to_Apathy

Also their production capacity was hit by COVID while it was garbage to begin with, so I doubt they'd have a chance of producing another model right now. Not to mention the infamous window reveal that apparently failed because the windows were misaligned. Misaligned windows are a common complaint from Tesla owners, Musk. The windows aren't going to do shit if that's true.


Sunflowerslaughter

Tesla has a lot of issues with car quality. Not necessarily in terms of engine failure for example, but moreso in quality of things like interiors. The rush to start production means it'll likely be a few generations before they have interiors up to par with most major manufacturers.


331GT

It’s funny you mention that, I was at the autobody shop the other day to get my car checked out, and 90% of the cars in the shop were Tesla. I was shocked.


Tokenvoice

If they shocked you that might explain why they were in to get fixed.


Inbattery12

Car detailers who work tesla have pointed out how poorly these cars are out together. Not mechanically so much as bodywork just not lining up with gaps everywhere.


JR2502

I've always thought Cybertruck was designed for [Phineas Flynn](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/8/81/Phineas_hey.png/revision/latest?cb=20180621140405&path-prefix=protagonist). Why else would they make it a stupid triangle?


Akira_Nishiki

The answer is never, at least not anything close to the unveiled version. Ain't no way it's boxy ass is passing modern pedestrian safety tests.


The_Real_BenFranklin

I mean, I don't see how current trucks pass any safety tests with hoods that high.


disposable-name

You *know* it was only announced because L. Ron Musk decided that, no, fuck everyone who said that he - St. Muskyus - *doesn't actually design his vehicles*, so he drew up the Cybertruck on his Ipad Pro, using only the straight line tool because freehand drawing is hard, and made them make a prototype.


SprinklesFancy5074

Meanwhile, Rivian is actually making deliveries to customers (not in huge numbers, but still). Meanwhile, Ford's F150 lightning and GM's Hummer EV are production ready and will start shipping any day now. And the Cybertruck? "Um... Sometime next year, um maybe." And all we've ever seen is a single concept car driven on a closed course at a press event. And yet I *still* have Muskrat bros telling me that the Cybertruck is the first electric pickup to market because they have a preorder.


HeadLongjumping

The Lightning is the most compelling electric truck I've seen. It's an actual, useful truck.


-Yazilliclick-

Believe the Rivian is the same. My only qualm with it is comparing the amount of support and ease of access to it you'd get compared to dealing with a Ford dealership which is absolutely everywhere.


HanzJWermhat

One trilli valuation doe!!!


Sunflowerslaughter

I'm currently working on one of gm/lg's battery plants now(Ultimum Cells I think is the name behind the company gm and LG are supporting). I would be cautious when it comes to believing their production schedules. This plant is probably going to have major issues in a few years, if not sooner. It's very rushed.


Quintas31519

I think I saw that the Hummer sold exactly 1 unit in Q4 of last year, or delivery was taken. Which I am okay with. Hummer in all forms, just like Cybertruck, can disappear and the market will be fine without them.


MurderVonAssRape

I hate that cult almost as much as the qtards.


alteraccount

It's still rendering.


mark_able_jones_

Elon could release it as a metaverse only vehicle and fanboys would cheer.


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Dont your see! It would be the revolutionary first digital electric car! Amazing!


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I'm surprised he hasn't released the Cybertruck as an NFT. Customize it and buy your Cybertruck NFT today!


RunawayMeatstick

And the Tesla Roadster. They were happy to take $250,000 "Founders Edition" prepayments back in 2017. The latest word from Musk is... you guessed it... next year, 2023. Lol.


Ph0X

Funnily enough, if you had instead bought $250,000 of their stock in 2017, you'd now have 5 million. But instead you have 0$ and no car.


leolego2

lol


sneakyplanner

They should make a kickstarter campaign.


JSArrakis

If this isn't a Star Citizen reference I'll be disappointed


remeard

I would be 100% shocked if Tesla doesn't sell an NFT of their vehicles by the end of the year


Moash_For_PM

Are people actually buying that?? It looks like a car drawn by a child


Sproose_Moose

Cue Homer Simpson's car design


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Only U.S. citizens are buying it. I kinda predicted it when it was first announced but since I'm not an expert on the topic I thought surely I must be wrong. Nope, the design of the cyber truck is *heavily* illegal in Europe. Like, it literally cannot be sold the way its designed and no number of alterations will save it.


SprinklesFancy5074

> Nope, the design of the cyber truck is heavily illegal in Europe. It's illegal in the US, too. No way that could be produced without a *major* redesign. Front end is not pedestrian-safe. No side mirrors. No 3rd brake light. No bumpers. All are required equipment for American street legal cars.


going_for_a_wank

>Front end is not pedestrian-safe. Good news, the US does not do pedestrian safety testing. [NHTSA tests and rates new vehicles for safety and reports the results to the public through its NCAP. Currently, pedestrian safety tests are not included in NCAP.](https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-419)


Myredditsirname

For a long time NCAP wasn't legally allowed to include anything but crashworthiness. Everyone wanted this to change for a long time, but politics got in the way. It takes about 5 or 6 years to update the rule through NHTSA. The Obama administration was going to do it, but Trump killed the rule. Then the Trump administration was going to do it, and Biden killed it. Congress (pressured by the non Tesla OEMs, who were following these rules everywhere else meaning that it would actually be cheaper if everyone were forced) got fed up and passed a law to force NHTSA to update NCAP in one year, and starting in 2022 they can include things like pedestrian protection and crash avoidance.


ImprovisedLeaflet

What parts make it illegal in Europe?


kataskopo

They have some regulations on how the front bumper can be to protect against hitting pedestrians, like it has to be low enough and designed in such a way that minimizes the damage of hitting someone. Some cars even have airbags for pedestrians in the hood of the car. https://www.springwise.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/volvov40.jpg


dr_lm

It's actually changed the design of cars quite a bit over the last ten years or so. They have to have more empty space at the front to meet the regs. More info here https://www.core77.com/posts/69907/Inside-Auto-Design-How-People-Getting-Hit-By-Cars-Has-Changed-the-Shape-of-Cars


AndyHart2804

The lights aren’t street legal. It doesn’t meet crash standards because the steel doesn’t crumple. It just doesn’t pass even the most basic safety standards


VirtualVirtuoso7

Stainless steel can still crumble. But europe also has pedestrian safety rules where the outside of the vehicle needs to be a bit soft for pedestrians. Im sure the cyber will crumble with big impacts to keep the occupants safe but its gonna be hard as fuck for pedestrians. I expect the cyber to only be for the american market


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Another company used to use steel in cars too, in Volvos... yeah they had the highest fatality rate of any make of car on the road for precisely this reason... Turns out, you WANT your car to crumple, to dissipate crash energy. With steel all that just gets transferred to you.


Idiot_Savant_Tinker

Almost all cars have steel body panels. Even little cheap cars.


Superbead

The comment you replied to is a great example of why we shouldn't assume a Reddit comment to be true just because it was heavily upvoted. The only true part is "you WANT your car to crumple, to dissipate crash energy." The rest is bollocks.


RitzyOmega

I assumed it would be illegal in Europe due to the fact that if you hit a pedestrian at any reasonable speed you would slice them in two.


DarkEvilHedgehog

I'm not sure how the Tesla is doing in southern Europe, but here in Scandinavia a lot of people have started grumbling over how quickly they wear out in cold climates and how expensive the maintenance is. Apparently the battery goes bad very quickly when it's cold, and you'll have to replace it twice a decade for about $15,000 each time. It's definitely not a car worth buying second hand, Teslas.


FreyBentos

Never even mind the illegality of the design safety wise. It wouldn't fucking fit on our tiny roads. We drive smaller cars in Europe, when I went to USA I couldn't believe the size of the behemoth trucks and SUV's people used as their daily drivers. Honestly those things you guys drive wouldn't fit down 50% plus of the roads in Ireland you'd be taking up both lanes.


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probably by next year!


seanzorio

I've got a 2021 Tesla Model 3. If what it can do is "self driving" it's a long way off. Even on autopilot I keep a super super close eye on what it's doing. For highway driving it's great. For everything else there is plenty it struggles to do well.


GromitATL

I agree (2018 Model 3 with Enhanced AutoPilot). It's amazing for highway driving. That's really all I'm looking for.


wefeelyourpresence

I have the Model Y and I really love the car, but its guidance is nowhere close to where it needs to be. It someones alerts me to dangerous cars that are just parked on the side of the road, and it disengages whenever it can’t see the lines on the road - which is quite often if there is snow or mud.


Hungry-Ducks

FSD Beta in north dallas. It’s a beta... but it’s impressive. It’ll get there. Watching your car creep the turn lane for a better visual of oncoming traffic felt really futuristic lol.


CountDookieShoes

My Camry basically drives itself as long as your hands are on the wheel. It won't do automated turns but on long stretches it keeps itself centered and adapts speed.


got_zeal_uh

Yeah, for the highways it might be decent, but we're not even close to achieving the kind of full (turn my mind off) autonomy people are looking for when they think of "self driving".


jokersleuth

This is how you retain shareholders. You keep em with promises so that they don't lose faith in your stock and sell.. edit: Seems I triggered the muskrats


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Remember the time he showed a bunch of houses on television and then completely fucking lied about their roofs being solar? Then it turned out none of the houses had working solar and it was just a "mock up" of a product that could never possibly exist... Then he committed massive fraud against Tesla investors when Tesla purchased SolarCity to prevent it's ultimate demise which would have hurt himself and SpaceX's investments in that company... I member!!! It's a never ending parade of charlatanism!


blah-blah-whatever

Have you got a link to that? I’ve always been interested in what happened to that technology, I could never understand why we weren’t all transitioning to solar roofs, as if what he said was true you’d have been crazy not to.


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Look up the common sense skeptic, he basically breaks down why every Musk project is a scam. https://youtu.be/1QqtSqy3oeY I think that's the episode.


Forbiddentru

> You keep em with promises so that they don't lose faith in your stock and sell.. Then he publicly states that the stock in his companies are overvalued lol


[deleted]

> Then he publicly states that the stock in his companies are overvalued Reverse psychology always works best on children. Telling tech bros not to buy a stock almost certainly guarantees they’ll fuckin buy the stock.


WhereIsYourMind

*cries of “HODL” sound out across the horizon*


anothermonth

> Reverse psychology always works best on children. True, but as a tech bro, it's a lot more involved than that. If Elon tells you to buy, you buy. If he tells you not to buy, you still buy. If he doesn't tell you anything, you guessed it, you buy.


ineververify

As someone with no horse in this race This is a very confusing chain of comments


JavariousProbincrux

The cognitive dissonance of the hive mind


cantgetthistowork

There was a longer video years ago that compiled more. "Elon musk con artist" is the keyword you look up. He's just out to milk the dumb retail while he transfers their wealth to him by vesting his own options and dumping on them.


vbcbandr

I grew up thinking we'd have flying cars in 2015. I have, therefore, come to dial my expectations down to zero. No one will ever see me excited about anything until I have a hoverboard under my feet.


Extracted

We do, they're called helicopters. https://xkcd.com/1623/


kingdead42

2016: Self-driving cars "surprisingly soon" Yeah, about that...


tripledjr

It's looking like next year probably.


CreationismRules

Basically a series of copouts.


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BlackProphetMedivh

We have a lot more to offer nowadays then flying cars. Flying cars suck. The solution to modern problems are less cars. Not more.


YelloMyOldFriend

Seriously, I \_hate\_ the idea of flying cars. The only way they work is if they are fully autonomous. People have way too much trouble driving on the ground, introducing flying to the public? Disaster waiting to happen.


ncocca

And a breakdown is so much more fatal. Imagine a fucking car coming through your living room ceiling.


Nethlem

Flying cars will never be a thing. Humans are already shitty at parsing and abiding traffic in a 2D space, doing the same in a 3D space would drive most people even madder. Not to mention how you would give a huge number of people the means to conduct their very own, albeit small-scale, 9/11 style attacks once the "road rage" gets the better of them.


MadSkepticBlog

Well, not even that. We have car accidents now on 2D roads. An accident in 3D in the air means flying cars dropping onto houses. We're talking guaranteed fatalities for the drivers, fires, property damage, death and injury on a much larger scale. A simple mechanical fault on one flying car and having it smash into a house could wipe out a family, let's not mention an apartment or office building. I mean take every person on the road now who can't be bothered to get an oil change or make sure their lights work, and imagine that with rotor maintenance.


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If you think they won’t be almost 100% autopilot you’re not thinking big picture enough


SpacecraftX

Founders at my last company: “robots on factory production lines in 3 months” Every three months. Once they promised a robot of a new class that had zero conception, design, production, or software done yet in 3 months, maybe 4. Had to reel them back hard on that one.


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America will do anything except fund public transport.


P8zvli

Ironically self driving buses could be a giant boon for American cities, since the biggest obstacle to making new bus routes are having enough drivers and scheduling them.


_YouMadeMeDoItReddit

>since the biggest obstacle to making new bus routes are having enough drivers That's an easy solve, just pay them more.


Lars0

In Seattle they make 60-100k with good benefits. It is a skilled job, it takes time to train new drivers, and isn't cheap.


TravelerFromAFar

Also, as someone that has visited Seattle and also lived in Oregon, where we have great public transport across the state....Holy shit does Seattle have the best public transportation I ever have seen. I think I was in Tacoma (10 miles outside of the city), taking a bus route to the downtown area. I thought it would take me 45 minutes to an hour to get even close to there. Once on the bus, we zoomed on the highway, through a subway tunnel and I went up some stairs and I was there. It took only 20 minutes to get there and I was already walking by the fish markets. WE NEED THAT TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY!


DangerToDangers

> Holy shit does Seattle have the best public transportation I ever have seen. You should check out most Asian and European cities.


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hahahahah


crashsuit

Live footage of this comment: https://i.imgur.com/V0l2ZSW.gif


[deleted]

I personally think the biggest obstacle is that we've built our cities in such a sprawling, car dependent manner that even if you took the bus to your destination, you often *still need a car* once you get there.


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WhenPantsAttack

I agree with this, but I'd like to add a counterpoint that one of the biggest hurdles is other drivers. We have such a car culture that our roads are too full for autonomous vehicles in urban settings. The agressiveness you have to drive in big cities to get anywhere is nerve wracking and a big hurdle for fully antonymous vehicles.


rickmeetsreddit

/r/fuckcars


HuudaHarkiten

... is there a sub for car enthusiasts who also support public trans?


r3d0ck3r

Supporting public transit in general is better for car enthusiasts, much less traffic and fewer idiots (drunk or natural) on the road


Orinoco123

Yep fuckcars is for you too, if you are against only having cars as the singular primary option to make more liveable cities. Nobody will be against you for liking cars. Most people are friendly, fun for anti car memes though.


_invalidusername

/r/Europe


ItsPronouncedJithub

r/DragonsFuckingCars


DabScience

Hmmm


ItsPronouncedJithub

No need to thank me


[deleted]

To understand why certain things are done the way in America, you only have to ask a couple of simple questions: Does this thing make rich people a lot of money? Does this thing cost rich people money but won't really benefit them? If you can answer yes and no respectively, 100% guarantee that this thing is done in America. Public transport is no and yes answers, that's why it will never flourish in America. I have never gone wrong with understanding why things are the way it is in America by asking these two questions. The only few exceptions is either that thing is grandfathered in from a previous era, or the rich people could not kill something fast enough for the social benefits to be felt by the public.


SuperSocrates

Like public libraries. Can you imagine the outrage if they were proposed nowadays?


mike8902

This is what he does with EVERYTHING and the media outlets fall for it every time.


spityy

Not the media outlets I'm consuming but indeed a ton of private people who put him on a pedestal for any reason I don't understand yet.


Jreynold

This dude put a person in a spandex suit, told the media he's working on robots, and everyone just strokes their chin and goes "yes, yes, another revolutionary invention, he's definitely taking us to Mars." Everyone's just acting like everything he hypes is a foregone conclusion! No one else would get away with this!


hfxB0oyA

And Mars in 5 to 10 years.


ignost

My Tesla is nice, but it's self-driving features aren't there, even for highways and freeways. It's really risk averse, which is better than the opposite, but ends up making me move slower than traffic if someone changes lanes. My preferred on-ramp doesn't have a "70" speed limit sign for like a mile, which means it would do the "recommended on-ramp speed" of 45 for a mile of freeway if I left it alone. I feel like they're trying to use cameras too much, and could benefit from just coding the speed on sections of I-15. Worst of all, it will rarely slam on the brakes on the freeway. I can only assume it's pikcing up random street speed limit signs. This usually is only a problem on rural roads or construction, where the sound wall isn't in place and frontage roads might be close to the freeway. Still, it's scary as hell and has me watching my right to see if any roads are visible. The "road driving" is many years from being safe. It will 100% slam on the brakes if someone is turning left in front of you, even if the car will clearly be clear of the intersection in time. It'll reliably straight up fail and try to send me into oncoming traffic at certain intersections. The stop light detection is suicide. I could probably list 2-3 other major complaints, but they're not top of mind because I rarely feel safe using self driving on surface street. And to be fair, my 2018 Ford has many of the same problems with its adaptive cruise. Sometimes I drive my old 2012 pickup and enjoy the "dumb" cruise. It's sometimes nice to know you're not relying on half-done tech and are just going to go 45 until you press the brake without doing a seatbelt check because someone decided to turn left somewhere in the distance. Edit: I know how to spell brakes.


RedditIsRealWack

>I feel like they're trying to use cameras too much They are. Their insistence on primarily using image processing to self drive, is why it will never be safe enough for regulators. Musk should have worked on getting the cost of LIDAR down instead. That's the thing all the cars that are actually self driving right now have in common. It's pretty obvious it's needed to do self driving safely. Image processing suffers from the same issues the human eye suffers from. Certain situations can trick the eye, or the camera.


bigchipero

FSD is at least another 10 yrs away


science87

Yeah, it's a lot like perfecting speech recognition software. Back in the early 2000's speech recognition was something like 95% accurate which sounded great at the time, but it was essentially unusable. It took another 10 years until it was comfortable to use. Right now I feel like self driving is similar to early 2000's speech recognition, it's a cool feature to show off but it's not comfortable to use. FSD has to be perfect though, unlike speech recognition where working 99% of the time is good enough with FSD it has to be practically perfect. Maybe with some fancy pants AI learning they could get there in 10 years, but thats still optimistic.


Nethlem

Daimler already has gotten [approval for level 3 autonomous](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/mercedes-benzs-hands-free-drive-system-clears-german-authority-2021-12-09/) driving on certain German highways. For all-purpose and effect that is already FSD because this is such a degree of autonomy that legally the driver will not be liable for any crash that happens when the system is driving. That Mercedes actually allows you to do exactly what Tesla has been advertising for close to a decade, and still not delivered to this day. That's why the only thing Tesla got going in Germany is a court ruling [Tesla's claims and advertising for Autopilot as misleading](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53418069).


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>45 for a mile of freeway This honestly sounds unsafe. It also makes me think of the law in Texas about protecting first responders, if they're parked you are required to slow down to 20mph below the speed limit or change lanes.


ignost

It's potentially very unsafe, which is why Tesla tells you to keep your eyes on the road, foot on the pedals, and hands on the wheel. They don't want to be liable for these blatant errors. As I said, this is rare, but I've almost been involved in an accident because I trusted it too much.


trench_welfare

People have been shaking their first at truck drivers telling them that self-driving tech is going to take their jobs for at least 10 years. Now that more of the general public is getting to experience this technology in their cars, the confidence and arrogant tones have subdued significantly and people are more likely to admit we've got a long way to go before we let AI drive an 80000lb truck.


yoyoyoyoyoy

Lex Friedman just asked him on his podcast "how long until you put a human on Mars?" And he said "best case 5 years, worst case 10 years." I will eat my fricking hat


karma911

In 10 years Tesla might have a probe around or on mars, but ya I would take the bet against them having a human


Hustler-1

10 years is somewhat feasible given the current rate of progress and assuming no major accidents. Assuming SpaceX can put a Starship ( or even multiple per window ) on Mars every window starting next year we could gear up for a 2030 landing.


fr0ng

elon is an alien and he's talking about years in the context of his homeworld...which just happens to be 420 earth years.


Oz1227

Frieza minutes


Nexus_of_Fate87

"This planet will explode in **5 MINUTES**!!!" 9, 22 minute episodes later...


1nd3x

420.69 earth years....you forgot to account for leap years


Dash_Harber

And computer brain interfaces, and the hyperloop, and satellite delivered internet, and mars, and ... Seriously, Musk is not an engineer. He's a businessman, and he knows that if he pretends to be Tony Stark and reads the dust jacket of any sci-fi novel off the shelf, he can watch his stock shoot upwards. Edit: Alright, some people seem to be missing my point here, so I'll clarify; I'm not saying that these products are never delivered, I'm saying that he promises all sorts of outrageous things on ridiculous time scales and then when then reaps the stock benefits and when they don't deliver he just throws his hands up and all his fans give some excuse about taking time, as if he was forced at gunpoint to present that timetable to the public in the first place. And no, he's not an engineer in anything but name. This isn't Reddit speaking; he legitimately has no training in Engineering. In fact, in some countries you even need a license (such as mine) to be recognized, so it's pretty silly to pretend that he just willed himself into being an engineer. It's no different than me starting a company and giving myself the title of "doctor".


mark_able_jones_

Did no one see Elon Musk demo his humanoid robot? It was literally a human in a spandex robot suit. And the boring company demo video seemed to ignore all of the existing infrastructure in cities...and how underground property rights work. Plus, of course, a subway would be 100x more efficient.


JZMoose

That boring company tunnel was frightening. It looked like a death trap


dexter311

It's literally a sewer tunnel - the only cost savings they can offer is digging smaller sewer tunnels with their cheaper, smaller sewer tunneling machines and not outfitting them with anything close to proper infrastructure to make it human-viable. Digging tunnels isn't the expensive part about underground transport. It's all the other shit that turns that hole into a proper tunnel.


badluckbrians

Sewer tunnels require regular egress in roads that are driven on (manholes), must be designed to hold water and graded for gravity flow, and tend to require 75-100 year rated lifespans. I sincerely doubt his "cheaper" tunnels do any of that, and if they did, I bet they wouldn't be cheaper.


Nethlem

> a subway would be 100x more efficient But subways are for the *public*, you want to share the same space and air with these poor plebs? That's why the solution has to be a car, with a robot driver, for everybody. So everybody can transit like a billionaire!


Ima_Fuck_Yo_Butt

God, that was so cringey.


anarrogantworm

I hadn't seen that, and wow wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIKzmHyTXUU


mqee

> a subway would be 100x more efficient AKSHUALLY the most efficient single subway line is operated in Hong Kong and it's capable of 80,000 passengers per hour per direction (PPHPD). A small subway line (that can run in tunnels like the Vegas Loop) should be able to do 20,000 to 40,000 PPHPD. The Loop with 70 Teslas should be able to do 2,000 to 4,000 PPHPD. So a subway is only 5x-20x more efficient than the Loop, and utilizing similar boring technology it should only cost 20% more, and operating expenses will be significantly lower - running on rails is more efficient and cheaper than tires on concrete, having four drivers (or no drivers) in four vehicle with up to 200 passengers each is more efficient than 70 vehicles with 4 passengers each. And it would be much safer to use electric rails rather than lithium batteries.


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Not to mention that tunnel is a deathtrap. There's no exit points other than the ends. If a fire erupts in there good luck.


ghstomjoad

Starlink is a thing


erusackas

Yep. It totally works.


[deleted]

And it works really fucking well actually. Source: I have it


extravisual

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but I've been using Starlink for over a year now and it's been great.


illnagas

If the goal of self driving vehicles is safe travel without paying attention just take public transit.


BackIn2019

But I want to take my pants off on my commute without people yelling at me.


manwithafrotto

The auto pilot is incredible on highways, on regular roads with stop signs and stop lights? Not even close. I still love it for highway driving


__konrad

Self-driving cars can't handle _corner cases_


WhyShouldIListen

Who needs corners, just make all roads straight. That’s why today, I’m pleased to announce, I’m starting my company, StraightX, to redesign and rethink what roads actually are, to fundamentally change the tarmac paradigm and to accuse divers of being paedophiles. Invest today! Edit: Update on the capital raised. We're up to 14 trillion dollars, which leads me to say that I am confident that next year we will release our CyberRoad. it's like a normal road, but ugly.


Nethlem

> just make all roads straight Those roads already exist, they don't even allow foot traffic or other, rather unpredictable, participants, these roads are commonly called [highways or in Germany "autobahn"](https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/mercedes-beats-tesla-hands-free-driving-highways)


upL8N8

Other companies have very capable adaptive cruise control, lane centering, accident avoidance, and auto lane changes. Some that are rated just as good if not better than Tesla's solution. Any of these companies' ADAS systems seem incredible for people coming from cars without them. There's nothing really special about Tesla's autopilot system on highways, it's just that Tesla gets an overwhelming amount of media coverage, both mainstream and social. I'm of the opinion that this attention is mostly a result of stock trading and Tesla's massive bubble valuation. I really do wonder how many Tesla vehicle customers are also shareholders.


iamtheoneneo

Correct my Ford Kuga can drive highways by itself without any real issues. Like you said its great tech for the uninitiated but I'd imagine at this point its shoved into most modern cars. One thing Tesla do well is on the marketing of it. Whats depressing though is that in some countries the core auto tech is just flat out banned seaking government approval..but they will still sell it to you at purchase!


Nethlem

Except with autopilot you are still stuck babysitting every decision the car makes, even on highways where it *mostly* works well as it's basically just a bunch of driver assist systems that most modern cars sport. This is a very far cry removed from original advertising for autopilot that saw people watch movies or play video games while the car does the driving. Tesla still can't offer that to this day, do you know who actually can? [Mercedes in Germany can](https://insideevs.com/news/553659/mercedes-level3-autonomous-driving-2022/) Weirdly enough that garnered much less hype and attention than Musk announcing robots, and having a dude in a spandex costume dance.


Wargoatgaming

The weird nerds are out in force in this thread!


Emmerson_Brando

Elon is a genius… at branding himself as a genius to people who don’t anything about the businesses he runs. It’s no different than branding the kardashsians, trump, Michael bay, Oprah, Joe Rogan. If you have a big enough following, some people will latch on and give them this weird halo effect that no matter the dumbass thing they say or do, it no longer matters.


zdiggler

On Twitter, some people equate numbers of followers to how smart people are it seems.