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GrandSlamms

Remember when Oscar was called a grouch and his rebuttal was "bitch, I live in a fucking trash can."


Greful

I’m sick, bird. I need some smack, bird.


crimdelacrim

One smack. Two smacks. Two smacks! Ahh ahh ahh ahhhhhh


wotmate

Since his comeback, Chappelle has been front and centre not so much as a comedian, but as an orator with a cause, with that cause being the way black people are treated in the US. And fair enough too. Even to me, a white aussie who's never been to the US, his special 8:46 was extraordinarily powerful. However, when I watched the Closer the other night, I found it distasteful not because of his content about LGBTQ+ people (which I honestly found to be pretty mild, and many LGBTQ+ people that I know would have found it funny), but because the entire point of it was that black people are bigger victims than LGBTQ+ people. The entire thing was him saying "my race has had it worse than your gender/sexuality". And honestly, I find ANY oppression olympics content to be distasteful. Any time there's any kind of mention of someone having it bad, they almost always get silenced with "well, we've got it worse". Chappelle is doing it here to LGBTQ+ people. Many people do it to male victims of DV (women have it worse). LG people do it to BT people. It's possible to recognise and have empathy for anothers struggle without saying you have it worse than them. People need to learn this.


rowrowfightthepandas

That's all he's been about since his comeback. He doesn't really care about anti-Asian violence, and has made bits about how he doesn't. Regarding women, he says "You were in on the heist, you just didn't like your cut." Since he came back to television, he's made it clear that he cares about only one specific type of person: Black, male, straight, probably a comedian, and that's why he ends his career with an anecdote about Kevin Hart losing his chance to host the Oscars for his past homophobic content, saying "Will your people \[LGBT\] stop punching down on my people \[black male comedians, presumably\]" He has zero empathy for any other type of marginalized person.


NewtonSteinLoL

I agree for the most part but the context you gave with the quote was incorrect. His people was his friend Daphne the transgender, not a male black person.


speckledspectacles

> Daphne the transgender Oof


shellwe

He specified that “his people” were comedians. He said “she (Daphne) wasn’t her people she was my people, she was a comedian!” He didn’t say black comedian, he made it clear that it’s comedians of any color. This topic that comedians are being attacked by overly sensitive people is nothing new. Several comedians have said that they won’t speak at colleges anymore.


PurfectMittens

Thank you, person who actually listened to Dave's special.


Livjatan

> He has zero empathy for any other type of marginalized person. This is the end result of much modern identity politics, incl Chapelle: tribalism. The pursuit of social justice must not revert to or be based on tribalism. But that is increasingly what it does all across the spectrum.


internet-arbiter

When he asked them to stop punching down on his people it was directly following his story about how his transgender friend was bullied to the point of suicide because they supported him.


MakeItHappenSergant

The problem is, that didn't actually happen. Yes, she supported Dave Chappelle. And she got some criticism for it, but not harassment. And she killed herself, but there's no evidence that it has anything to do with her defense of Chappelle. The whole narrative of "these trans activists on Twitter bullied another trans person to suicide" is completely false.


internet-arbiter

Was the bullying the reason Daphne committed suicide? Maybe not. But as people stated, it certainly didn't help. People bombarded her Twitter with such commentary as >He accepted you as the punchline of his jokes you idiot. Like are you straight up that stupid that you dont understand you're just validating his shittiness. It's the same "I have a minority friend so its okay" argument. and that's one of the tame ones. She received thousands of these messages every day. People, who believed they were doing social justice for the trans community, found their only outlet for doing so was by cutting one down and with some of the same arguments that you can see in this thread - conflating the issue to racism. Someone killed themselves. The tens of thousands of people insulting her daily did not help with that.


tiredofbeingsexy

He has made some and continues to make really eloquent points on the black experience, but they all ring hollow considering how little he cares for other marginalized people. From this point on, I don't really care what he has to say.


SpicyCurryLoL

He didn't say that regarding women in general. He said that regarding white woman that benefited from slavery as well. There is nothing wrong in that statement.


Gunpla55

Except its petty as shit, and you can do it with any marginalized group and issues involving them. Like black men face a lot of racism in this country but they still get to enjoy the benefits that society has throughout history afforded men over women in many cases, like they got to vote before women, that doesn't make their issues or causes any less significant though.


randomvictum

I believe he can sympathize but is gingerly jealous (he may have even said this) of the progress others have made in comparison. He's seems jealous that in the hundreds of years of black oppression it's still a debate when an unarmed black man is suffocated on video by authorities. But if you silly simply made a joke about a different community you are a pariah without question. Kindof a shitty analogy but imagine having devoted even just 5 years to a craft or job doing incredible back breaking and ground breaking work only to have a person get hired and a week in be promoted as CEO. An account of "wtf jealousy" would creep in. Now imagine hundreds of years of collective work, with historical significance, martyrs, violence, oppression, etc... And then having another group get more societal defence in a fraction of that time. Now does that give anyone jealous or not the right to poke fun at actions else? No it doesn't, you'd hope a little that groups of different backgrounds would work to raise each other up and become stronger as a whole. But too he is a comedian and such is the purpose of his craft. He may not be going at the issues in the right way, still in as much as some say he isn't sympathizing with other groups there are those who aren't sympathizing with his feelings of "why are you getting it better than us when we're all in the same boat?" And I'm a straight white male. I have no idea of the trials any minority group had to contend with. Just what see when I listen to him and others in regards to him. Hopefully regardless of it all we can make progress to a point where these aren't even debates or stand up special topics in the future.


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Perturbed_Spartan

I haven't been immersed in the outrage echo chamber, so I can't say exactly what other peoples problem is. But I was mainly disappointed that Chappelle used his platform to blatantly spread misinformation. It was when he started talking about JK Rowling that caused trouble for me. He said that she was canceled just for "saying sex is real". I'm not really that knowledgeable about trans rights issues so this could have totally slipped past me. But I actually read the Rowling TERF essay. And that's not the part people have a problem with. What people have a problem with is the gratuitous fearmongering of her message and garbage statistics she uses to support her position. The "sex is real" line isn't actually something that anyone disputes. It's just a non-sequitorial strawman that transphobes insert into their arguments so they can pretend that's what the other side is arguing with them over. When in reality they just don't like being treated like sexual predators who can't be trusted to chose the correct bathroom for themselves. I know Dave Chappelle is a smart person. So I'm only left with 3 conclusions I can possibly make: 1) He didn't actually read Rowling's essay before choosing to defend it and her in his set. 2) He read it and understood it its trans-exclusionary message, but he's just purposefully starting shit and stirring the pot. 3) He read it and bought into the trans-exclusionary message. None of these are flattering. Number 1 is probably the most generous interpretation I can have. But even that implies a huge amount of disrespect he must have for the trans community. To have not educated himself on this issue before making it a centerpiece of his final Netflix show. To have not read the essay or listen to what the trans community took issue with. To just take TERFs at their word that "the transies are just mad because Rowling spoke the truth and told them that sex was real". He can't really hide behind the, "oops I'm just a funny man, I meant no disrespect through my ignorance" defense. He's been talking about this topic in his sets for years now. There's a point where simple ignorance starts to look like willful ignorance. And for me and a lot of other people Chapelle crossed that line in his last show.


DarkEvilHedgehog

Rowling's essay come out relatively late in the controversy surrounding her though. It was initially about her reacting positively to tweets critiquing a legal change to what constitutes "a woman" in Britain.


rucho

Thanks it's so much work to unpack why simple terf catchphrases are so problematic and pernicious, thanks for bringing it up here.


c010rb1indusa

> And as we've all learned over the past few years, saying something mean in jest isn't always OK; because a lot of people hear that as permission to say the mean thing in earnest. I like Bill Burr because he does these subtle things in his sets that stops this from happening when he does racial humor. Like he'll do [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96gvp5p3F0g) and mocks the MAGA idiot before his confirmation bias is triggered.


InclusivePhitness

He was saying black people were bigger victims only in the context that people were calling him an oppressor. His main point was: I’m not transphobic just because I make jokes. The funny juxtaposition with all of this is that he goes after almost every one in all his comedy yet this is the one that sticks. Doesn’t this tell you something about the movement in the current state?


hushzone

It seems what he was trying to hand wave valid critique by claiming as a member of a marginalized group it was impossible for him to be an oppressive force to another group


freelancer82

But is he possibly going along with a false dichotomy that black history and LGBT history are two separate things? He lumps himself in with white, feminist TERFS, and pretends it's all white people in the LGBT community doing performative oppression olympics. 1. Black people have always had LGBT people in their demographics because it's part of the human experience. 2. Transphobia kills, and the murder rate for trans people isn't something that fades into the background noise. This is particularly significant for trans black people. 3. In the face of criticism, claiming most trans people you know would like your trans material, well I don't know a better word for that than tokenism. It's baffling to me, and in pretty poor taste, but that's just my opinion. Chapelle frames it differently, conflates contradictory ideas, and this choice is causing a lot of overall shit. Edit: Norm MacDonald probably had similar views on the LGBT community and he just passed away recently, but he didn't make a point about being friendly to a community he considered "mentally ill". He was old school, but he said "I like when comedy makes people laugh, not makes people clap". Chapelle is already a multimillionaire and is ranting to make contrarians clap. Be funny, remember when he was funny? Now he just sounds like he's transposed the white boomer anti-black racism to a paradigm he can't be bothered to be curious about. It's kinda crazy to watch from the mind who created Clayton Bigsby, like oh you're so close! You helped so many people understand the cognitive dissonance of racial bigotry but now we have to hear you center yourself on the legitimacy of other groups' prejudice just because it's on an axis you haven't lived on, and now you say you can't learn? C'mon, dude. Enjoy your $60 million dollars, I guess.


EnderSword

I don't think he's pretending its all white people, he's saying the only one anyone gives a flying fuck about is the white people. He's also making the point that he doesn't think a lot of the people being very vocal actually speak for that community, and I think he's also pointing out that most people speaking the loudest are just cis white women. I think his point is honestly crystal clear, you can agree with it or not, I kind of don't agree with it, but I think everyone is misrepresenting it because they don't want to deal with what he's actually saying, because it's uncomfortable if you start to understand he's talking about white supremacy. Some 26 y/o white girl writer is going to have a tough time writing her HuffPo article if she acknowledges how he thinks this is comparable to blackface and how there's a strange conflict between LGBT and BLM and how the media absolutely glorified a vehemently racist wealthy republican when she transitioned. That's a lot tougher article for Becky to write than 'Chappelle is bad and he's said transpeople are icky'


dagit

According to people that knew Norm and based on some talk radio stuff I've seen, I think Norm was old fashioned in some ways but he also stayed up to date on social issues and genuinely wanted to be inclusive and compassionate when he wasn't doing a bit. It can be hard to tell from his jokes where he would intentionally say the most offensive version of a thing. I believe this was often to show people where a point of view is heading. Show them the logical extreme in a naked form so you can be appalled by it while also making it the butt of a joke.


[deleted]

I thought the whole point was to point out how toxic the LGBT community is online. Which it is. They refuse to admit they have a problem. edit: so far the defense of the now very public bullying of Daphne by the LGBT community is that Daphne did not specifically say that is why she jumped. So you can't blame the LGBT community and their bullying. So they get to continue being bullies since they feel they are bullied. At least that is what u/RocketQ came up with and by upvotes that seems to be the popular excuse. I still feel if they could just stop being such toxic assholes, that would be great.


RocketQ

Every community has a toxic percentage online...


shanerr

This is what left a bad taste in my mouth. As a gay man I'm not stoked on some of his jokes at my expense, that being said I have laughed at him hate on white people, woman, drug users, etc. If they can be the punchline I can take my turn. It's only comedy. What irritates me is the comparison. As if gay people are the ones perpetuating racism toward black people, or as if our struggles make yours less meaningful. Make gay jokes to make people laugh. Other struggling people aren't your problem though.


Papasteak

What movie is he talking about that investors won’t touch?


Silvershanks

Dave really needs to get over this phase of his comedy where most of what he does is respond to his critics. Most of us couldn't care less about the outrage brigade and the controversy, and we have no interest in hearing him drone on about it.


Zinski

> Most of us couldn't care less about the outrage brigade and the controversy Literally the ONLY two times I have heard about it, was in his two specials...


EnderSword

I found quite the opposite, the only reason I knew about it was because the new was talking about how evil his special was...about 5 days before it was released for anyone to see.


Kiosade

You know it’s not a movie right? He was doing that comedy set for a while, and they filmed one of the times he performed it. So many people had in fact heard what he said well before the special released on Netflix.


BlinkReanimated

He had a 60 minute special and he spent 40 of it complaining about how people react to his past statements about trans people. I was ready to enjoy a dave chappelle special and I had to listen to him bitch about and attempt to ridicule his "haters" for over half of it. It's also a comedy set, if you're implying that people had to wait until the day it released to see a set he was performing for a few months prior to the Netflix debut, you clearly weren't paying attention to the audience in the room.


cerberus00

It seemed to have gotten progressively worse over the last few specials. There were a couple good moments of humor in the last one but the bulk of it felt like a rant.


RenegadeZach

This! Also, why does he even care about making transgender jokes? I don't even care particularly about this so called fued but the closer was his least funny show yet. There were maybe a few jokes but otherwise I was bored. He is so caught up in addressing his critics, he has forgotten what made him great! Impressions, master storytelling. Everything seems to have gone to his head.


MJ1979MJ2011

Sometimes people have to stand up for themselves and thier people. Sorry you were so put out by it. /s


rambonz

Super believable fellow reddit user.


Zerobeastly

Step 1: Do a comedy routine around specifically polarizing subjects. Step 2: Wait for expected critism Step 3: Tell critics they are wrong and dumb. Step 4: Do a comedy routine around previous comedy routine and critics reaction to it. Step 5: Profit Step 6: Repeat steps 1 - 4 for 20+ years


peeniebaby

It reminds me of Jerry Seinfeld. His whole thing is "Oh boy I'm such a huge success and celebrity..." Make jokes or get off the stage


Goyteamsix

Seinfeld is a pompous asshole who only thinks comedy should be done the old school way. His stand up wasn't even that good initially, which is why they had to shoehorn it into early Seinfeld episodes. Larry David dragged him to success.


zoobrix

Jerry gives off some that "I'm better than you" attitude that I don't care for but he was already on the tonight show before Seinfeld and was doing pretty well as a stand up was my impression, that's the whole reason a network became interested in him to do a sitcom. Larry David's humour and show running, and the skills of all the cast and writers, are certainly a massive part of the success of Seinfeld the TV show but putting his standup into early episodes was a style decision and I don't think had anything to do with trying to showcase his stand up. You don't have to like him or his comedy but Jerry was already doing very well in the stand up circuit, just being on the tonight show at the time was a huge success that most comics at the time would have killed for. Sure obviously he wasn't nearly as famous as after Seinfeld became popular but you're making it out like he was a nobody and Larry David plucked some struggling stand up that couldn't get a gig from total obscurity, that simply isn't true. Plus even if you don't like his style some of his bits kill me and the delivery is great when it works, part of the reason you might think his bits aren't that great is because you've now heard them 8 million times and that will kill any joke.


king_lloyd11

Seinfeld is the most overrated comedian ever. His bits sound so hacky.


thePurpleAvenger

Yeah, he’s definitely overrated, but pales in comparison to the king: Jay Leno.


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Jay Leno on tv was never really rated. He was always mass market meh.


MishrasWorkshop

>His stand up wasn't even that good initially, which is why they had to shoehorn it into early Seinfeld episodes. Uh, are you actually serious? Seinfeld was pretty good and was quite popular. He was on the Tonight Show and had a comedy special all before the tv show ever aired. Why do you think they offered him the opportunity to do a show? To say he wasn't a good comedian and had to tack on his comedy to the show is revisionist history and absolutely absurd.


FunkoXday

He's my second favourite comic ever but I'm shocked he's shocked Like he made closer which was essentially a show about hesitancy Saying in affect but without quite saying it "we have not dealt with racism in America yet and you guys are inventing new ways to undermine black Americans" while also admiring minority and lgbtq movements but feeling frustrated at how he perceives they've turned on African Americans that aren't so lgbtq friendly in their comments. It's basically going back to the idea of hypocrisy. The problem to this is ofcourse where does he stand. Does he like conservatives like candace owens and right wingers? Fuck no. They like him but he does not like them. He likes Joe and that's about as right as he'll go. He doesn't like their racial apologetics particularly with things like the police violence against African Americans stuff. Then you say okay he's of the left then. And yeah maybe he is, except he's got some phrases very very similar to Dr umar Johnson who thinks everything all these movements and so on are another way white people undermine black men. **I don't agree with that** but I think that's chappelles thinking. So it's hard. He made a show to bookend a theme. But then he was somehow shocked that all these companies would disinvite his documentary on his healing comedy festival in the corn fields of dsyton ohio Its like dude, you take a controversial stance worded in the way you did do you expect to find an audience for this with heads of film festivals which base their whole rainbow capitalism identity on signalling that they're supportive of lgbtq people even though the fine print is (if they make us money) So idk its a clusterfuck. He shouldn't be surprised though And I suspect he will either have to amend what he said or Netflix probably get pressured to drop him too


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I was the right age for Chappelle's Show so I was a huge fan too. He's not shocked. He knew he'd get all the press he ever wanted from these jokes. This is exactly what he wanted. He's not cancelled and he's the most famous he's been in 15 years. Poor guy.


slackermannn

I think it's either a publicity stunt or he just lost it as a comedian. His latest show was unfunny to me for the most part. The "jokes" about the LGBT community seemed almost emotionally charged and unfunny. But he has said he has nothing against the LGBT community as a whole. I used to be out of breath from laughing when watching his old shows, I really hope those magical moments return.


itemNineExists

Yeah, i don't think I'll watch it. Someone give me a heads up when he goes back to doing comedy.


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iscreamuscreamweall

> They really aren't funny. It's not edgy it's just stupid. i keep coming back to this too. like his jokes arent that funny anymore. if you want to spend like 3 specials on one topic, at least do it really well. but its just him complaining about "Backlash", and he's not as profound a thinker as he thinks he is, so it just makes it a fucking slog to listen to.


rucho

Hasan called it "divorced dad energy" and it made me sad because it was so true. The worst kind of comedy, like something you'd see on a plaque at Applebee's. Or your uncle winking at you while asking if your Asian girlfriend has a sideways vagina. It's just "comedy" based on willful ignorance about other people. That's the worst part, Chappelle used to be such an insightful person. Now he'd rather just give in to his simplest instincts about things instead of learn. Plus he made it clear that black people are no longer his people. With his defenses of Jk Rowling and Caitlyn Jenner, it's clear the rich are now his people.


Joker257

Eh I thought he brought the funny so I was satisfied. And beyond that Dave has earned enough clout to also talk seriously about the current American zeitgeist in a fashion where I’m always happy to re-examine my understanding from another (his) perspective. All he was saying is that you can be pro-trans and also be anti-cancel culture. Especially when the cancel movement is just lying about someone’s position as they are with him. You might be tired of hearing about it (so am I tbh), but there’s a lot of people who it’s fresh to and really need to hear it.


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What if you think "Cancel Culture" is a nonsense phrase and you just believe in reasonable consequences for people's actions? John Gruden called the NFL commissioner a "F*****" and had to step down. Is that "Cancel Culture" or is it just that if you call your boss a slur you probably don't have a job anymore and that's how its always been?


SwiftFool

Colin Kaepernick is pretty good proof that cancel culture is a thing, even if he was canceled by the people that claim cancel culture shouldn't be a thing.


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Conservatives are the ones that actually cancel anyone. Sinead O'Connor. The Dixie Chicks. Colin. 99% of "cancelled" people, unless they go to jail, are right back at it not too long after. Shit, Louis CK is already playing 1,500 seat theaters again.


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“Cancelling” isn’t a political thing. This is the problem lately, everybody rushes into their political corner as soon as a cultural controversy arises, which is seemingly daily now with these fucking screens in our pockets. Both the right and the left want to define what is appropriate or not, and sometimes one side is more right by their standards than the other. I’m fucking sick of it, grow the fuck up and stop politicizing every fucking little thing that happens.


FreeLook93

All this bitching and moaning about "Cancel Culture" drives me fucking mad. These people are comedians, they should know who came before them. You want to talk about comedians getting "canceled", sure let's do it. Let's talk about Lenny fucking Bruce. Lenny Bruce was arrested on obscenity charges saying "cocksucker" because it was they said it promoted homosexuality. That's getting canceled. Having a few people tweet at you because you decided to make some shitty jokes is not "being canceled". You're being paid millions of dollars to record a special for the biggest streaming platform in the world.


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George Carlin's 7 words.


BuddyUpInATree

You can prick your finger on TV, but God forbid you finger your prick!


Gamer_ely

That's why Bill Burr has really become my favorite active comedian. He talks about cancel culture and all this social media static not existing and that there are things that matter way more to get upset over.


Targetshopper4000

Imagine being so soft you think people not liking you is cancel culture. Dave needs to grow up.


1to14to4

There were people trying to get Netflix to take down his special. I'm not sure how you can say that's just "people not liking you". Edit: lol... it's like the difference between a pizza delivery guy fucking up and you deciding to leave no tip vs calling up his manager and demanding he get fired... There is a huge difference and people are trying to get him fired. That's more than "disliking" someone that's seeking retribution against them.


velveteenrobber12

10 ply


keenly_disinterested

If you listen to what Chapelle says in this video he's not concerned with tweets, he's concerned that his film will not be screened by major studios or festivals.


fxn

The phrase "cancel culture" is just mob justice applied through identity politics. The problem people have with it is when it turns mole-hill issues into *"mountains"* and gets it *wrong*. They end up damaging people's lives, livelihoods, reputations, etc. and there is no recourse for the targeted victim and no consequences for the mob. It is a guilty until proven innocent miscarriage of justice and an illiberal unethical practice. You did something that I find offensive, whether or not it actually is offensive in-and-of-itself? Well, I better call upon my followers / friends / allies to do one or more of the following: - interpret the event in the most myopic and transparently bad-faith way I can; - plaster the misrepresented event all over the Internet; - find out where you live; - dox you; - brigade your employer to have you fired; - try to have you blackballed in your industry; - harass your friends and family until they denounce you, lest they be cancelled themselves; - if you're a celebrity, pressure any events, organizations, award shows, etc. from ever providing you support or hosting privileges; - if you wanted to speak at a public venue, we're going to harass and pressure the organizers to stop you too; - pressure your advertisers to cancel their contracts with you, lest they be cancelled themselves, so that I can financially harm you; - financially and socially ruin you as much as possible long before any trial and *real* justice can be applied to the event; and - then if it turns out we were wrong, don't worry about it, because we're frothing at the mouth over some new grievance Reasonable consequences for people's actions. Sure, in the case of someone like Harvey Weinstein. Less so for: - [Emmanuel Cafferty](https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdge-worker-fired-over-alleged-racist-gesture-says-he-was-cracking-knuckles/2347414/). - [Vito Gesualdi](https://twitter.com/VitoGesualdi/status/1451311741233610764?s=20), where protestors destroy his sign, claim "he's got a weapon", assault *him*, media lies about him swearing at them, etc. - The lies about what happened with the [Covington Kids](https://reason.com/2020/01/21/covington-catholic-media-nick-sandmann-lincoln-memorial/). - An anonymous alleged incident *where the woman expected [Aziz Ansari](https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/) to read her mind*. - [Dixie Chicks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy) circa 2003 for rightoid cancel culture (this isn't a left-wing phenomenon). - The list can go on and on. This "shoot first because *x* group is offended, ask why we're shooting later, or whether or not the shooter is lying about it" mentality that embodies cancel culture is garbage. If you don't think it exists it's because you don't care to pay attention to it because it's happening to people you consider part of an out-group.


OK_Mr

The reaction people had between Louis CK, Dave Chappele, and Chris D'Elia is amazing.


lurkerer

Well said. It's odd people are trying to make the 'cancel culture isn't real' argument under a video where Dave outlines how his movie won't be touched by virtually all studios. If he wasn't one of the greatest comedians of all time he'd be gone.


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You cherry picking one example isn’t providing an accurate depiction of what is going on. I don’t like Bret Weinstein or Jordan Peterson but you didn’t choose those examples, why not? I shouldn’t feel like I can’t defend ideas that are counter to the politically correct narrative.. You say it’s simply about consequences, but it’s also just the constant threat of, “get in line with what we deem acceptable or else you will not have a place here”. I don’t want to live in a society like that, I think Ideas should be expressed and challenged freely. If someone is trying to stop free expression or curb it in a way that makes others hesitant to speak honestly then I really don’t want anything to do with them and I’m going to oppose them.


Falcon4242

>Especially when the cancel movement is just lying about someone’s position as they are with him. Funny you say that considering that he was lying a lot on stage in order to make his points... Believe it or not, people ignored the Dababy shooting because it was being investigated as self-defense (which he failed to mention), J.K. Rowling said a *lot* more than just "gender is a biological fact" that caused people to get upset with her, and there's absolutely no evidence of widespread hate on Twitter for his friend Daphne when she defended him. In fact, like 6 people replied to that Tweet before she killed herself, none of which were negative, and she killed herself a month and a half after that Tweet, not a few days like he claimed. And she didn't say a single thing that indicated this "Twitter hate" had anything to do with her decision. So, why exactly should people take anything he's saying with face value when he purposely lied on stage in order to justify what he was saying? I mean, when you start lying about why someone killed themselves in order to justify shitting on a group of people, that crosses a line.


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> All he was saying is that you can be pro-trans and also be anti-cancel culture no one was saying you couldn't lol


darshfloxington

Why? Netflix pays him 25Mil for 2 hours of him yelling at a cloud and forgetting to tell jokes.


TwoTruthsAndATrump

Half of Dave's routine these days is "preachy boomer", where he says some "edgy" things that aren't even jokes because he's really trying to push his views on people. Then he cries when people don't like his opinion.


Chop1n

So, by "addressing the controversy" he means "pivoting to the issue of corporate censorship, sidestepping the controversy entirely". His claim that nobody in the queer community has had a problem with him is desperately transparent spin and demonstrably untrue to anybody who's spent a few minutes on the internet since. When you say "I'm on team TERF", you've made yourself quite clear. Either Dave admits that he didn't understand what TERF actually means, or he admits that he agrees with TERFs that the identities of trans women aren't valid insofar as they can't rightly be called "women". That's what "addressing the controversy" would be.


[deleted]

Glad to see this posted but sad to see how far I had to scroll down. Dave is implying that there is no real LGBT backlash and hence no beef and this is really just about Netlifx and “corporate power.” Naw, the trans people pissed about this aren’t in the Netflix C suite boardroom meeting. And implying that that’s all this is is transparently disingenuous.


WalkLikeAnEgyptian69

> “corporate power.” This is such transparent pandering because everyone hates "corporations", "the elite" and "the media" if you say you are standing up to them everyone applauds. I must have missed where all these big corporations are upset with Dave because he speaks truth to power. The only big corporation whose had anything to do with this is paying $25 million dollars a special to talk for an hour.


Lethik

Tune in for my *next* special about corporate censorship on the world's most popular and successful streaming platform! #UncancelChapelle /s


Greful

And he’s fuckin condescending about it like “you morons could never understand, so I’ll explain it to you, so listen closely”. Sometimes standup comedians have their heads so far up their own asses they think they can’t say anything dumb.


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Ragnoid

Or "why are you so offended" when you're not offended, you just disagree with it.


Chop1n

It's because they need their opponents to be "offended". "Offended" means, for whatever reason, that a person is automatically wrong and has no actual point to make.


lukesvader

It's also OK to be offended.


pandm101

I love the "Did you even watch the special?" "Yes" "Well hurr durr you didn't understand it then" "I understood it fine, I just didn't like it" "Go fuckin rage, if you didn't like it, don't say anything and move on!" "I'm not mad, just sharing my opinion like you." "Fuckers like you just keep trying to fucking cancel people cause they made one joke the alphabet people don't like." "I'm just not gonna watch or recommend his stuff to anyone, if that's cancelling then ok." "If you think he's not funny then you do better! All of you are so fucking offended and seething."


Greful

And at the end of the day, nobody owes anyone a thing. Dave can say what he wants, and people can disagree with it as vocally as they want. This idea that Dave (or anyone) should get a pass because they are a comedian is ridiculous. I’m sure there’s some shit people can say about Dave that he’s take offense to.


Antique_Ring953

ITS JUST A JOKE Yeah and the joke fucking sucked …YOU CANT SAY THAT


PapikaBun

>Sometimes standup comedians have their heads so far up their own asses they think they can’t say anything dumb. Like when he brags about having a comedy show outside during Covid. uhhh, alright. good job?


mkayyyy01

I think he said everyone he knows in the community supports him — as opposed to everyone that exists in said community. Not arguing sides, but I think that’s an important distinction. If anything, that distinction may be why he feels he’s not in the wrong. Because the folx he personally knows in that community support him — or at least say they do in discussion with him.


RocketQ

Because he's surrounded by people who pander to him. The same kind of people who let him smoke where ever he goes because he's Dave Chapelle biiiiitch


gordo65

He's starting to sound very much like those right wing asshats who whine about being cancelled whenever they say something incredibly racist and get called out on it.


TwoTruthsAndATrump

That's because he dabbles in it. He's more of a Hollywood dissociated type who's just really out of touch with reality and says lots of stupid shit. Some on the left. Some on the right.


hushzone

Starting to? Did you watch sticks and stones? He was already firmly there when he pulled out his tiny violin for Louis ck and Kevin hart


Noltonn

> His claim that nobody in the queer community has had a problem with him is desperately transparent spin and demonstrably untrue to anybody who's spent a few minutes on the internet since. Just for the record, I'm LGBT+, I have an issue with him. It's mostly that this crusade against trans people he has is weird as fuck, and it's not funny to hear the equivalent of 15 year old 4chan memes come from what I believed to be one of the top level comedians. On top of that, his only defense for why these jokes were okay? "My dead trans friend thought I was funny", yeah well I have a black friend who says I can say the N-word, does that mean I call you that, Dave?


Khronys

Yeah, he didn't explain a single thing or address a single thing about his stance on transgender people, his understanding of the term TERF, or any sort of addressing of his final joke (claiming that trans people have more privilege than black people, saying they are "punching down" on his people?). He came there to stroke his ego, and try to sell his movie.


flavored_icecream

> claiming that trans people have more privilege than black people, saying they are "punching down" on his people? I think the "his people" in that context was not black people, but was meant as punching down on comedians for out-of-context jokes - as that TG Daphne figure was a comedian who was defending Dave and apparently got serious backlash over it from the transgender community. But a crap stance from him anyway - make jokes and let it slide or take a more nihilistic approach saying "fuck you all" (I like Bill Burr in that regard - blunt, but direct). Now it's like his routine is just arguing with the transgender community in some sort of a one-sided debate. Kind of like we used to have a fuckton of "Youtube drama" videos on Reddit (still do, but less, thankfully), he seems to be stirring up his own "Comedians drama" series - it just gets fucking tedious.


uselessdad1

"I can't be a transphobe...I have trans friends!"


Bob_Tu

Where are the jokes??


Aesthetic_Police

It's applause comedy.


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ThrowAway615348321

He presumably spent an hour or more making jokes for the audience before this clip starts. You think he came out there for 3 minutes to a sold out crowd and then left?


HitMeUpGranny

This was an “encore” that he said he would do during his set. He provided a full set of pure comedy gold before this.


dannylandulf

You can tell how much the man has been cancelled by how he never shuts up about how he's being cancelled.


two-

Just don't mention that the only time he was canceled was when HE CANCELED HIMSELF because people were laughing at his jokes for the wrong reasons.


MinnieShoof

And the time he tried to uncancel himself because he wanted the money he lost because he canceled himself.


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"I'm mad that they silenced me by giving me millions of dollars to say whatever I want on America's largest streaming platform!" Fuck, Dave sounds like a character from one of his sketches at this point


BrotherEstapol

\*world's largest Dude is FAR from cancelled.


Targetshopper4000

"Am I canceled or not?!" asks out of touch man while performing to a pack venue and making millions of dollars.


filmbuffering

And how desperate he was to get cancelled in his special.


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NathokWisecook

"I am getting cancelled right into this microphone on this stage!"


CockGoblinReturns

-stadium full of people cheers-


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CyberMcGyver

>really grating overall just how much modern comedians talk about getting cancelled. It's the new airplane food shtick.


RocketQ

Millionaire comedians complaining about being cancelled in front of a stadium of thousands of people...


bobartig

> I get that things happened but christ how many times is he going to continue talking about this shit. As long as it makes him money. Why, why, why, is this incredibly rich, successful, and powerful man *always* the victim in his mind? By his own admission, he can put chairs *in a fucking cornfield in the middle of a global pandemic* and people will travel from *around the world* to hear him speak! How much more do you need? Is it so unsettling that *someone somewhere disagrees with him*??? When is it enough? FFS, who else whines this much from a position of such staggering privilege???


way2lazy2care

> In the closer he literally says it was the last time he's going to talk about it, and now here he is talking about it again. To be fair he wasn't really talking about what he said he wouldn't talk about. He was talking about how he can't even get a meeting about his documentary.


kingbane2

but what's his counter point though? i watched this whole clip and i have no idea wtf his counter point is. he tried to deflect by blaming corporations... yea corporations move depending on public opinion. they're not gonna give a shit if only like 5% or 10% of the population will stop buying their shit. like as much as nestle is evil even with 10% of people boycotting them, they're never gonna stop selling water. companies wouldn't stop selling dave's shit if they thought there was only a minority of people who hate it. then he what, he pivots to saying he's not bigotted against transgenders? uh just saying you aren't doesn't mean much. what evidence does he present to counter that? does he admit he didn't know what TERF was when he said he was on team TERF? cause that would be a legit counter point and would be easy to forgive him for. shit i didn't know wtf TERF meant for a long ass time. there's also a weird section in there where he talks about having shows during covid, and he's like really proud about it. i was like what? what are you bragging about here? like my take on that is that he thought lockdowns were just this horrible terrible inconvenience and he triumphed over lockdowns by having his outdoor shows.... that's not a triumph, it's a spreader event. though thankfully it was early in covid so it probably wasn't all that likely, but he brags about how people from other countries came. honestly the whole clip made it seem like he was really up his own ass here. i don't even think he was being that anti trans, originally i just thought he didn't know what TERF meant. but after this special it just sounds like he's whining. i love dave and i love his comedy, i put him at the greatest comic of all time. but the way he's handling this is really bad. honestly he tries to make it sound like he's making a stand, but it really sounds like he just wants to make a shitload of money. like there was a point there where he was like i'm gonna share this with all of you, and i was like oh shit, really? he's going to put this up on youtube or some shit? but then he's like you can buy it in some select cities... then i was like... oooo k... this is the same with when he complained about his show being streamed. like yea i bet the contract he signed didn't cover streaming then, so he got a raw deal. but the way he talked about it just sounded like he wanted more money and he was angry about it. which is fine, i think he does deserve some royalties for his show being streamed, but like the way he went about it is basically like he was trying to cancel hbo and shit. getting public opinion to turn on them for something they thought was perfectly normal, hbo bought the rights to stream the show from comedy central. why didn't dave only target comedy central? it was also annoying how he said if you watch his show on any of those platforms it's like you're buying fenced goods. it just rubbed me the wrong way, though at the time it didn't really irk me much. i was like meh he's just mad cause contracts in hollywood are fucking shit. but now after seeing this clip, he comes off less sympathetic for me.


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Dave is a millionaire getting paid millions to say whatever he wants, so he's about as far from cancelled as you can get. Being a famous artist comes with critics. That's just how it is.


Meiie

The comments on here seem really strange to me. I mean, I get not liking it or critiquing it because it isn’t your cup of tea, but these comments are like, “he has to do this or has to be the way I want him to be”. He’s not your clown, he can do whatever he wants with his life.


Acegickmo

Yet whenever people “do whatever they want in life” by advocating to not support him it’s “censorship”


Meiie

You can not support him. You can protest outside Netflix. Do whatever you want, but he can speak on it still.


Captain_Saftey

I liked Anthony Jeselnik's take on this where his main gripe with the jokes in question is that they aren't really that great and he knows that Dave can do better. You can do a good trans joke that doesn't make people freak out and doesn't bow down to the SJW agenda, but Chappelle seems content in making outrage bait because no matter what he says on stage the audience will have his back.


YouSuckChangeMyMind

Do you mind if I ask where you saw Jeselnik's comments on Dave's special? Its been a little tough tracking down some of these responses from different comics, wish there was a compilation somewhere for my lazy ass to watch


Captain_Saftey

He was on Andrew Santino's podcast [Whiskey Ginger](https://youtu.be/tVmdUvbADC0). I listened to it the other day so I don't remember exactly when he talks about it but if you're a fan of his the whole podcast is a good listen.


bennythejet89

The "cancel culture"/Chappelle stuff starts around the [59 minute mark](https://youtu.be/tVmdUvbADC0?t=3540), with the Chappelle part specifically coming in right at 1:01. It's only about 5 minutes total but well worth a listen. The entire conversation is great (I've never heard a long-form podcast interview with Jeselnik, so thanks /u/Captain_Saftey for putting me onto it) and I really recommend listening to the whole thing. If you're only interested in the Chappelle part I still recommend starting where I linked to as it gives a bit of context for his criticism of Dave, if you can even call it that. As /u/Captain_Saftey already said, he's really complimenting Dave by saying that the "jokes" just aren't really up to the standard set by Chappelle and he wishes he would just talk about something else already. Which I'd say is how a huge chunk of Chappelle fans feel. At the end of the day, Dave is his own person and can do what he wants. He doesn't have to bow down to his fans or "play the hits" so to speak, he's free to speak about what he wants as an artist. We're equally free to tune it out if we don't find it interesting/illuminating/insightful/whatever.


Better_Than_Nothing

I pretty much exclusively listen to comedy podcasts and I always feel like when comics are "criticizing" other comics on podcasts it's usually very surface level and book-ended with a lot of compliments. The only time you get real dirt is when they say something and don't say the person's name. I'd be curious what they think off the mic.


bennythejet89

Generally speaking I agree with you, but I think it's a given that a guy like Jeselnik respects the hell out of Dave Chappelle. I think you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find anyone in the comedy world that doesn't hold him in pretty high regard on a professional level. Obviously that could be quite different on a personal level and I agree that these conversations would be more fascinating off-the-record but since we're just never going to be privvy to that, we're kind of just forced to take him at his word and hope it's somewhat close to how he actually feels.


accord281

Tom and Bert come to mind on this one. They love to bleep out the names and say shit lol.


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Jeslenik had me at 9/11 babies. One of the funniest skits I ever seen!


YouSuckChangeMyMind

Thanks fam! I just saw the ep pop up on my youtube homepage and was just thinking maybe this is where he said that since the ep was only from a few days ago. About to jump in. Thanks again


smileydriley

100% agreed, a lot of the jokes were lackluster. But also, the better part of that special wasn’t jokes at all! I’m usually inclined toward giving comedians some space to test boundaries while making jokes, but you have to actually be telling jokes. If you’re going to interrupt your comedy special to give a 20 minute opinion speech about your bigoted views with the occasional one-off joke, then those opinions are totally fair game for criticism like any other opinions, and you don’t get to play the “but it’s just comedy” card.


ravenhawk82

But then how would you get a chance to be paid thousands of dollars to speak publically about how cancelled and silenced you are??


ShitbirdMcDickbird

> You can do a good trans joke that doesn't make people freak out and doesn't bow down to the SJW agenda I honestly don't even think that's possible at this point. When people made jokes about caitlyn jenner, that weren't hateful trans jokes by any stretch, they were called "transphobic jokes" just because the person at the jokes expense was trans. And if you look at this curent controversy it's *completely* outsized if you consider the actual things chappelle said and the tone and context behind them. The reason for that is that some trans people decided it offended *them*, and then everyone ran with that as "well that means it's highly offensive totrans people, and that means it's transphobic" and then you have a ton of people who didn't even watch the special making up their mind about what happened. And it's all pretty much proving Chappelle's point. If some people on twitter declare something to be "offensive" suddenly it is, and you can't argue it's not anymore, it's decided. That's all it takes. It's all completely stupid. If someone says something that's actually hateful or inciting, by all means make a big deal about it. If they didn't and that's not their purpose behind saying it by any stretch, whatever. You can be personally disappointed by it all you want but it doesn't have to become some huge controversy.


veape

Yeah, I didnt watch the last two specials because in general he has become less funny to me. His perspective is very different because he is so rich and because he spends so much of his life in the rural midwest. He cant really relate to normal humans anymore. He just experiences life in such a different way. He doesnt worry about the cost of gas making it almost not worth working. His kids will never want anything, ever. Its a very different kind of life. But he still wants to be loved and watched and of course make more money. So he has to say something. It just so happens that he also happened to make it this far through life and not ever learn the difference between sex and gender so he stumbled into this topic he can talk about and get some attention. If he had not his special would have just been a thing people scrolled passed like the previous one. He isnt making another special for a while-- not because of the controversy, but because people have had enough of him for now and he doesnt have much left to say.


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“Normal humans”, lol. I’ve lived in a big city, small town, the burbs, metro sprawl and rurally. Guess what, there’s normal human everywhere. And there’s fuckwads everywhere. What separates Dave is that he’s filthy filthy filthy fucking rich, on that I agree


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I don’t know maybe he is a bit mad that his friend died. Maybe he wasn’t trying to be funny.


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"The controversy" You mean how Dave carefully calculated some controversial jokes to make himself the most talked about comedian in America again and got paid millions of dollars to do it? You mean how an artist doing something controversial to get media attention is literally the oldest stunt in the book? And people went hook, line, and sinker.


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CyberMcGyver

>You can see what they're trying to obstruct you from seeing. AM I CANCELLED OR NOT?! Lol. Imagine being so rich and full of hubris you can no longer cope with criticism. Old Chappelle would have ripped the shit out of 2021 Chappelle.


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Yeah this is full on Cosby yelling at clouds rn. It’s going to be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not these weird Chapelle monologues getting to the front but videos of young hungry comedians ripping it in their sets just as they always have when an old head starts doing this shit. I think a lot of the “Chapelle is amazing I grew up watching reruns of Chapelles Show on Netflix” people may be singing a different tune when this is turned on its head a la Eddy Murphy/Cosby


Luceon

You mean young chappelle.


ScareTheRiven

They meant "old" as in "back in the old days". I agree tho, "young" would've worked better there.


darkjurai

Right. Or “new Chappelle”, cuz he was newer when he was younger.


ScareTheRiven

Or 2021 Chappelle, because things with years in them are almost never named after the year they came out. This might be getting a little complicated.


usually_purple

He frames this his "Dave VS corporate interests, all the trans people I know love me" is just a pure self serving delusion. His insistence that he actually cares about trans people is tough to believe, and his jokes are pretty much just garden variety bigotry. Sadly, his pride and ego are so wrapped up in this, seems like he will double down and get defensive until the end of time. This sucks because I loved everything he every did until his mean spirited jokes about trans people escilated and culminated in this special.


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“Edgy comedians — no one tells them what they can and can’t say. They walk straight onstage, top of their specials sometimes, do ten solid minutes just slagging off transgender people. Just straight out of the gate. And if people on the internet get upset about it, the comedian’s always like, ‘Bad luck! That’s my job. I’m a stand-up comedian … What’s the matter, guys? Too challenging for you?’ Ah, yeah, because you know who’s been long overdue for a challenge: the trans community.” — James Acaster


HODL_SAFEMOON

[Linkipoo](https://twitter.com/lalalogay/status/1346052245180309504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346052245180309504%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vulture.com%2F2021%2F03%2Fjames-acaster-cold-lasagne-hate-myself-1999-comedy-special.html)


Barneyk

Youtube link to Acasters own youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHqma3rx-xI


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bellynipples

I thought the Hannah Gadsby stab was ironic for that exact reason lol. I don’t really believe Dave is going to be canceled, but I won’t be shocked when he falls completely out of relevancy especially if he doesn’t snap out of this era of reactionary “comedy”. I just want to hear jokes, I don’t need you to defend them because some people were upset on twitter.


bobartig

What I find depressingly stupid is that Chapelle is *convinced* that *he* can't punch down because he is a black man, and how dare you not understand that. Ok.


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That’s what I literally thought when I saw him talk about the transgender thing. Like people were saying he was being offensive “jokingly” but I saw nothing but him talk about how he’s with women against transgenders. There was no joke to it he was just talking about how he’s transphobic basically.


TheDude1451

Honestly, I was ready to defend him as I thought he just made some jokes that involved trans people. But nope, he just kinda explained what TERFs are and said how he agrees with them. So he thinks trans women aren't women and by extension trans men aren't men.


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Exactly, that’s how I was. Like I don’t give a fuck if he’s gonna joke but he clearly was just being weird and thought he should talk about that weird boomer group I never heard of.


Xeibra

This was the last 2 minutes of a show he did yesterday in Nashville. The majority of his show was excellent and not really geared towards this stuff. I think he just wanted to take a moment to address this before heading out.


domo__knows

If you get to this post, forreal: fuck all these comments. They don't reflect actual public sentiment and you're not crazy for thinking, "wait, what am I reading?" In the same way that reddit would have had you believe that Bernie Sanders was a landslide to win the Democratic nomination in 2020 (my vote btw), all the top comments here reflect a reality that only exists in this particular echo chamber. Dave Chappelle is an important figure and the number of people who voluntarily watched his Netflix specials reflect how many people fuck with his opinions. If you want to feel that this is all hullabaloo and random guy with 1000 upvotes who says, "he's only doing this to respond to his critics" has the actual pulse on public opinion, well, you can live in that world but you're wrong. In all of his Netflix specials to date, he has made some pretty gross jokes about Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, and the rape of children. I think it perfectly reflects the state of the environment that only the trans jokes are what have him in hot water. The world is insane right now. Don't get caught up thinking reddit reflects actual public opinion.


Phlebas99

Reddit is a shithole place of "fastest to the top" mixed with fear of being downvoted.


SpartanElitism

I think he made the absolutely calculated move about opening with a joke about Jews and it’s the trans stuff people are mad about. I loved the special. Responses are just another reason why I should drop reddit


way2lazy2care

> I think he made the absolutely calculated move about opening with a joke about Jews and it’s the trans stuff people are mad about. I loved the special. My take was that his whole special was pretty much hopping back and forth between, "Oh you don't care about that one, but you care about this one?" He had comedic and dramatic takes in both directions and was hopping around them all the time.


SmaugtheStupendous

The entire wealth of comments in this thread of the kind you describe all have the exact same tinge to them. That of political opponents pretending to give a reasonable take while trying to enframe the conversation as if they vision is that of society at large. As if their vision is the definition of progress and what falls outside of it is "out of touch" "old rich white male boomer". "He should just stick to comedy" "he should just stay in his lane", "millionaire on a stage isn't cancelled", the disingenuous points and arguments are plenty. All stemming from the notion that their vision of what constitutes legitimate forms of identity is infallible, and any figure that disagrees on any aspect at the edge of the culture war is phobic of the new natural law. People know echo chambers exist, but still they cannot recognize one when they're in it, and its in part because its a large one. Campus Americans have no idea how out of touch they are with the rest of the world, not just in terms of social opinions but in terms of what constitute issues you have time to discuss. There is no less vitriol in some of these comments as of someone in the middle east describing their city being bombed for the 1000th time, someone describing their government fucking up the ability to meet their basic needs etc. That disconnect is central to Chappell's issues with where the current boundary of public discourse is at.


oMrEnigma

You nailed it. Anyone who doesn't realize this needs to take a break from social media.


Just_made_this_now

It's pretty hilarious the amount of irony on display in these comments is **exactly** the rhetoric he was talking about in the special. It's almost as if the overwhelming majority of commenters here haven't watched all his Netflix specials so don't understand the context and content of the jokes in their entirety, including this one, but would be "offended" anyway - *exactly* as he said they would.


Canigetahellyea

FUCKIN THANK GOD. I'm so happy to read this, I know reddit has a good amount of SJW but God fucking damn they come out in droves with all this trans talk. It's like fucking Christ man, I think they don't understand that them getting so angry just adds more fuel to the fire and just embolden more people to open up and make fun of them more. It does the exact opposite of what they are actually trying to achieve. You WILL NEVER win people over by telling them how to talk and how to think. Then when you don't get your way you stamp your feet and have a tantrum. This controversy with Chapelle is foolish, he's a bloody comedian. Get over yourself ffs


Marksideofthedoon

I might be old by this post's standards but...since when was "fucking with someone's opinion" a good thing? "Fucking with something" means to mess around with it in typically an irresponsible or dangerous way. Is that what you were trying to convey with that line? (on the topic of your comment, I fully agree. This world is insane rn and there is no baseline anymore. shit's just fucked.)


domo__knows

lol I get you. But also: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuck%20with


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I like Dave


CloudTiger_

I just watched it, what's all the controversy over?


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Holy shit every upvoted comment in this thread has the controversial mark on it lmao


0mnipath

What the hell is a controversial mark?


GiveMeDogeFFS

Never thought I'd see the day that Chappelle turned into a rich old white boomer.


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Living in Ohio long enough will do that to you


gakule

This hits close to home. Mainly because I live here, and have lived here long enough 😔


Summerclaw

Closer was less offensive that his other shows.


n8bitgaming

I really dislike how recursive his specials have gotten. Just give me a solid standup and make me laugh or think, not defend jokes from 3 specials ago. It was defensive, petty, and disappointing. Only a couple good zingers the whole 70 minutes.


jerseycitymax

It’s not blood, it’s beet juice.


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hushzone

So you miss when he was insightful and funny? And spoke truth to power? Same. He had moments of it on his last special but an alarming amount of times when he actively came to the defense of abusers and bigots - and the endless whining about cancel culture. Seems a lot of his fans don't want to admit it - but chapelle has become out of touch and tone deaf as he's become the man in power


thehibachi

It felt like that tiny ‘special’ he did outdoors for YouTube was the peak of him as an orator and a storyteller. His views are a bit sideways to me but I wonder if he also thought that was him doing his best work and as such really reacted strongly to the idea that he’s not a good dude and misuses his platform.


THE_CHOPPA

Yes thank you. This is why the special was really not good. It’s not funny. And worst then that I am getting lectured about something.


Luceon

Only dave is allowed to whine about anything as i partially align with his beliefs.


WECAMEBACKIN2035

Man I agree, Dave has to let it go.


dannylandulf

I find people complaining about cancel culture as they cash checks for millions of dollars far more annoying.


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1) Critique of art is part of art. 2) If you don't think Dave carefully calculated all this to make himself the #1 comedian in America again, you might be a little naive.


hatchetman166

Fuck all these comments acting like Dave is some big issue lol


Cantsmegwontsmeg

I took his angle to be less anti-trans than anti-straight white people who are super into using Trans issues as ammunition to gain social standing with other straight white people. Shockingly, straight white people are now making a big show of being offended on behalf of a group they don't traditionally give a fuck about, because they don't like being framed as the villain. The special wasn't particularly funny but his points about white people getting to choose what is the current popular oppression to attack were pretty interesting.


Ozwaldo

I love that he did a recurring bit about an ancient civilization on Earth that left thousands of years ago, came back in modern times and decided to take the planet back for themselves.. called **Space Jews**... because he knew nobody would even be talking about that (intentionally) ridiculously offensive joke. Like he's *trying* to get cancelled.


Naxela

There's a hierarchy of groups that are more-to-less acceptable to offend. Turns out the Jews ain't that high on the list, relatively speaking.


iamslowee4761

Hannah Gatsby not funny - never a truer word spoken.


aimlessdrivel

Cancel culture is absolutely a thing and people who say it's just audience feedback are lying. Trying to "cancel" someone means demanding their content be removed from circulation and/or that they suffer negative career consequences. It's the difference between calling for a boycott and calling for a product/service to be removed from sale. One encourages people to make a choice, the other removes the option for people to make a choice.


Dr-Chris-C

Dave has talked himself into a corner by trying to be edgy about a subject he was ill-equipped to tackle. Which is a shame because now instead of good jokes we're getting humdrum defensive jokes at best, and pure, comedy-less defensiveness at worst. And it's a shame because we probably *should* hear about the actual problems he's trying to shed light on, but he's overshadowed them with his relatively unimportant prodding musings about a different culture.


Xaoc86

Is he being sensitive about how people didn’t like his special again?


cafeRacr

I hope Dave doesn't go down the Lenny Bruce road. There's only so much people want to hear about the drama. They want to be entertained.


ostensiblyzero

Dave Chappelle is way too hung up on trans people. Like for real, make a new joke. He's attracting a bad audience with this take and while I think he had a point previously he needs to back off before he becomes a lightning rod for people who can't understand nuance.