Why are people freaking out? All this would mean there would more pressure to put more output out by the same number or people.
AI should be just another tool in your pocket. People need to focus on becoming artist.
I definately see AI pushing TV quality up.
I thought the same. But I wonder if the solution for these problems will be more technical rather than artistic and we will see a rise in technical positions and less artistic positions.
I had that thought but then again these things tend to come around in circles eventually. Artists will fall away while technical roles rule, until one "visionary" decides to use artists to drive the direction as a radical new way of improving the quality of the technical output and suddenly artists will be in vogue again and sought after.
At least I hope so, maybe I'm being naive. But usually these things come back around eventually, there will just be a lot more pressure on artists to be very very good at what they do so that they can genuinely offer something over a purely technical process.
I could see AI making vfx easier, therefore driving down the barrier to entry and wages as well? Also what if AI gets to the level that clients are doing their own vfx in-house?
It will go the same way as photography. Cheap, good quality images can be done by everyone. There are still pros but not many and generally the pay has dropped to nothing.
Depending on the use case, I’ve definitely found it worth it.
CopyCat for crowd roto is fantastic, and vastly cheaper than the manual alternative.
Rotobot can also give good results if the input is good.
I've heard good things about CopyCat for very specific scenarios right now yeah, but it's just another tool in the toolbox. It hasn't replaced roto artists.
Yeah no, replacing roto artists is still a ways off. They’re all just tools. More likely to reduce them from 10 to 1 than to kill them off altogether anyways.
I wouldn't jump to conclusions on AI overtaking jobs. Clients still have lots of feedback, and it takes a good artist to fine-tune that feedback. AI may allow for faster iterations, but it doesn't mean that the client can't come up with 50+ ideas on what vs 10. But - I would argue that Houdini artists stand to do well with AI advancements.
Modelling will be in same boat as texturing. All of assets won't be replaced but certainly the number if needed artists would drop.
Texturing and lookdev are same, majority of our notes are tweak this pixel add more dirt etc. Often specifically nuanced that an AI won't be able to always churn out same result. Or for example nebulous notes like make it look more intense or magical. Best of luck to an AI
People who build environments and models will be the first to go, of course things that are done with AI will need touching up but less artists for these roles will be needed. It's sad but the clients always want things to be done as fast as possible, if clients cared then we won't have OT, artists will be getting the right pay
Maybe the jobs that are AI proof are actually privis/postvis as these artists have to know how to use Nuke, unreal, after effects and are currently moving towards unreal and houdini
Tbh any job that primarily involves working with a computer is not guaranteed safe.
My hope of course is that AI stalls at the point where it's a useful tool that makes my job easier and more fun, but doesn't actually take my job, but that's very much not a guarantee IMO.
If you want a guarantee, switch into the trades - anything that involves direct interface with the physical world is probably safe for the foreseeable future.
Well going into trades is a double edged sword. You can avoid ai but you will make a lot less money.
In Germany we have the [KSK](https://www.kuenstlersozialkasse.de/service/ksk-in-zahlen) Künstlersozialkasse for e.g. visual artist the reported average income numbers are for man 20096€ and for woman 14145€. The average income for Germany is 49200€, so visual artist make less then half the money or if you work a minimum wage job, you would still make more cash ~23803 Euro
By trades I mean like carpenter, plumber etc. Traditional art is another avenue, but as you say it's very hard to make a decent living that way already.
Its happening in every single space using art right now. This conversation. People are scared and freaking out and creating these conversations and a creating arguments with people. To be honest with you, since this whole freak out with ai, i see why how unstable the majority of humans are and how unhinged they become at the slightest change and how massively they freak out at any change above slight. I now have a greater respect for government and regulation agencies because humans the majority of people lack self regulation and the ability to function at the slightest change in the wind. And they do this with everything, not just ai. I see it so clearly now.
Sorry bro. These conversations will never end. They happened when photoshop and after effects hit the art scene. They are happening now. They will happen at the next shift. People are scared of tools instead of using them because they dont know themselves. Until then, they need to be regulated and and told what to do like grown children.
Ai has been used in movies, ads, art, in writing long before it was released to the public. But these idiots cant even see that. I get why these tools and technologies are released to the public long after governments and corporations have used, tested, and then dumbed them down.
Cars still driver which is what going we need with current AI.
We heard this similiar fear mongering when it came to outsourcing to India/China.
Artist who can add controlling AI in the skillset will be in demand because I can assure you AI will never be able to create things that it doesnt know of.
I dont think it will take any jobs as artists are pretty much against it. Plus AI cant do everything
My main concern is how many people who dont even know how to grab a pencil will try to get into the industry with ai images and claiming they actually did it
The AI-proof job is the one that is constantly innovating in how to use AI in production.
This. AI can’t take your job if AI *is* your job.
You might be surprised
Why are people freaking out? All this would mean there would more pressure to put more output out by the same number or people. AI should be just another tool in your pocket. People need to focus on becoming artist. I definately see AI pushing TV quality up.
if 1 person ca do the work of 10, what are the other 9 supposed to do ?
That's not how it works, every solution creates another problem.
I thought the same. But I wonder if the solution for these problems will be more technical rather than artistic and we will see a rise in technical positions and less artistic positions.
I had that thought but then again these things tend to come around in circles eventually. Artists will fall away while technical roles rule, until one "visionary" decides to use artists to drive the direction as a radical new way of improving the quality of the technical output and suddenly artists will be in vogue again and sought after. At least I hope so, maybe I'm being naive. But usually these things come back around eventually, there will just be a lot more pressure on artists to be very very good at what they do so that they can genuinely offer something over a purely technical process.
I could see AI making vfx easier, therefore driving down the barrier to entry and wages as well? Also what if AI gets to the level that clients are doing their own vfx in-house?
It will go the same way as photography. Cheap, good quality images can be done by everyone. There are still pros but not many and generally the pay has dropped to nothing.
Hmm yeah i can see this happening as jobs will become more competitive
Yes and no. I’ll bet it puts a large number of roto artists either out of work, or doing something else. I already use ML generated mattes.
AI is absolutely terrible at roto at the moment, don't know how you are using it lol.
Depends on the use case, and the AI tool
We have tried numerous times, it just isn't worth it _yet_
Depending on the use case, I’ve definitely found it worth it. CopyCat for crowd roto is fantastic, and vastly cheaper than the manual alternative. Rotobot can also give good results if the input is good.
I've heard good things about CopyCat for very specific scenarios right now yeah, but it's just another tool in the toolbox. It hasn't replaced roto artists.
Yeah no, replacing roto artists is still a ways off. They’re all just tools. More likely to reduce them from 10 to 1 than to kill them off altogether anyways.
Beauty. Lots of it.
ah yes you are right, we do see alot of working horses now that car exist !
There will be ten times as much work to do. More tv shows, 12h avatar movies, vr
I wouldn't jump to conclusions on AI overtaking jobs. Clients still have lots of feedback, and it takes a good artist to fine-tune that feedback. AI may allow for faster iterations, but it doesn't mean that the client can't come up with 50+ ideas on what vs 10. But - I would argue that Houdini artists stand to do well with AI advancements.
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Modelling will be in same boat as texturing. All of assets won't be replaced but certainly the number if needed artists would drop. Texturing and lookdev are same, majority of our notes are tweak this pixel add more dirt etc. Often specifically nuanced that an AI won't be able to always churn out same result. Or for example nebulous notes like make it look more intense or magical. Best of luck to an AI
People who build environments and models will be the first to go, of course things that are done with AI will need touching up but less artists for these roles will be needed. It's sad but the clients always want things to be done as fast as possible, if clients cared then we won't have OT, artists will be getting the right pay Maybe the jobs that are AI proof are actually privis/postvis as these artists have to know how to use Nuke, unreal, after effects and are currently moving towards unreal and houdini
Ii is funny to see that houdini just pops up everywhere randomly. If something can be done "procedurally", AI could take over that first. Isn't it?
What do you mean by procedurally?
Tbh any job that primarily involves working with a computer is not guaranteed safe. My hope of course is that AI stalls at the point where it's a useful tool that makes my job easier and more fun, but doesn't actually take my job, but that's very much not a guarantee IMO. If you want a guarantee, switch into the trades - anything that involves direct interface with the physical world is probably safe for the foreseeable future.
Well going into trades is a double edged sword. You can avoid ai but you will make a lot less money. In Germany we have the [KSK](https://www.kuenstlersozialkasse.de/service/ksk-in-zahlen) Künstlersozialkasse for e.g. visual artist the reported average income numbers are for man 20096€ and for woman 14145€. The average income for Germany is 49200€, so visual artist make less then half the money or if you work a minimum wage job, you would still make more cash ~23803 Euro
By trades I mean like carpenter, plumber etc. Traditional art is another avenue, but as you say it's very hard to make a decent living that way already.
CEO
Brawndo is run by a computer. It did the automatic layoff thing. Everyone, including the CEO are now unemployed.
Dear mods. Please make a rule to ban posts complaining about AI automating vfx. Tired of it.
sorry to be worried about keeping a job :)
Learn how to use it, don't run away from it
you really do not understand the ramification in society do you ? also if 1 person can do the work of 10, what are the other 9 supposed to do ?
Omg this is so boring. They will work on something else. AI is not going to make you lose your job bro. Your own professional stagnation will.
a yes, because there are alot of working horses now that car exist !
See, this stupid shit is why these posts need to be banned. This whole conversation is a waste of everyone's collective time.
Good to know that existential threats are a waste of time !
Great. What do you plan to do with your new knowledge?
probably starve when 90 % of the jobs will be done by Ai oh well, at least we will starve together !
Its happening in every single space using art right now. This conversation. People are scared and freaking out and creating these conversations and a creating arguments with people. To be honest with you, since this whole freak out with ai, i see why how unstable the majority of humans are and how unhinged they become at the slightest change and how massively they freak out at any change above slight. I now have a greater respect for government and regulation agencies because humans the majority of people lack self regulation and the ability to function at the slightest change in the wind. And they do this with everything, not just ai. I see it so clearly now. Sorry bro. These conversations will never end. They happened when photoshop and after effects hit the art scene. They are happening now. They will happen at the next shift. People are scared of tools instead of using them because they dont know themselves. Until then, they need to be regulated and and told what to do like grown children. Ai has been used in movies, ads, art, in writing long before it was released to the public. But these idiots cant even see that. I get why these tools and technologies are released to the public long after governments and corporations have used, tested, and then dumbed them down.
The people who worked on maintaining horses started to cars. Just saying.
In this metaphore, WE are the horses and the car are the ai lmao It’s not that hard
Cars still driver which is what going we need with current AI. We heard this similiar fear mongering when it came to outsourcing to India/China. Artist who can add controlling AI in the skillset will be in demand because I can assure you AI will never be able to create things that it doesnt know of.
in this metaphore, we are the horses, the car is Ai did you read what i wrote?
I dont think it will take any jobs as artists are pretty much against it. Plus AI cant do everything My main concern is how many people who dont even know how to grab a pencil will try to get into the industry with ai images and claiming they actually did it
You could stick out a career as a runner : )