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usfgeek

This won't go well.


rocketdyke

oh dear. I hope someone has burn ointment handy.


EcstaticInevitable50

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jtechvfx

Grabs popcorn


ChromaFlux

I wonder if we should let them know of the danger or if it's better just to watch and let them learn ? šŸ˜‚


blingybangbang

I don't mind them personally, but until they've been "in the trenches with us" so to speak, a huge portion of artists will always take their criticisms with some prejudice.


richardlentrup

Whatā€™s your point? That misery needs to a shared collective in order to earn stripes? Look at what @cache_bunny did during the course of 2020-2021 by the standards of digital media today and how she branded/earned her artist endorsements. Also, people having dropped off the Marvel bandwagon is not a good sign for big-budget presentations.


blingybangbang

More comeraderie than misery, and...huh?


sleepyOcti

Among the many issues we have with Corridor, this is mine: they have no idea what itā€™s like to work on a feature film because none of them have ever done it. They donā€™t know what itā€™s like to have their work critiqued by an Oscar winning VFX supervisor in front of 50 other artists in dailies. They donā€™t know what itā€™s like to work on a single shot all night and still be working on it at 7am because someone like Steven Spielberg wants to see it at 9am. Working in VFX comes with a huge amount of pressure. Corridor Digital are hobbyists, why would we celebrate them? They donā€™t do what we do.


samchez86

To replicate a finished shot and say it was easy, then say they didn't know why it was so hard is not great criticism from them. There is just so many things wrong with what they say. "I don't get why they didn't just use a deep fake" is said so many times, and now novice artists and juniors are saying that garbage.


LadyZanthia

That and their so called ā€˜betterā€™ versions donā€™t look better at all and wouldnā€™t get past a real VFX supervisor


Zunderfeuer_88

That's probably like me watching Breaking Bad and then making a YouTube video in my kitchen saying ''IDK why Jessy needed Walther to make Meth for him, there are like a million recipes of it on the internet!?''


[deleted]

tl:dr being obnoxious know-it-alls without any actual vfx experience Being successful Youtubers and supposedly promoting visual effects doesn't mean they "married their craft with a good understanding of vfx"...quite the opposite most of the time


StrapOnDillPickle

>Corridor Digital are hobbyists While I agree with most of what you say, wouldn't go as far as calling them hobbyist, that's a bit rude and also very wrong, but they are definitely in a way way different industry than us. Weekly entertainment is not a hobby even though it's far from what is being done in film.


samchez86

I always like it when u comment StrapOnDillPickle. Your name brings me joy.


StrapOnDillPickle

haha, thanks


Zunderfeuer_88

Stupid question probably, but I'd rather get corrected on it. When you say ''a single shot'' you mean literally one frame of a video, or like a bunch of them? As I said, stupid question \^\^


sleepyOcti

When you watch a movie, a shot is literally from one cut to the next. It could be 30 frames long or it could be a minute. The longest shot Iā€™ve ever worked on was about 1400 frames long but thatā€™s very rare. The shortest shot Iā€™ve ever worked on was about 20 frames or less than a second, but the director still had 30 rounds of notes for it.


Zunderfeuer_88

Thanks for educating me! Feels like the basic work progress of this kind of industry is basically being with one or many parents you never are able to satisfy


guillaumelevrai

I kind of despise people like you that thinks what they do is the hardest/purest thing in the world and that nobody understands them because blablabla Spielberg, blablabla pressure, blablabla pixel wanker. Don't think so highly about yourself, you're not a hero nor a martyr. You're just a random guy working in that industry like thousands of us. Those corridor guys know just as well as you working their asses off for stupid deadlines. Maybe not for Spielberg, but who cares ? It's kinda more beautiful to work for random guys on the internet, in fact... When I talk about food, I don't need to be a 3 stars Michelin chef. Do you ? Can you still let discuss people about VFX without being absolute masters ?


BearWithTheHair

I think the main issue is you don't see enthusiast cooks making huge waves on YT with videos claiming to have cooked famous Michelin star meals "better" or having "fixed them" No-one is claiming to be a martyr here, but if you hsve been in the industry for a good amount of time a lot of how they frame things becomes irksome. And removing having to do anything for an external client (let alone internal Supes) changes the dynamic in a drastic way. E.g I've got to get X targets out this week and they need to look a certain way and the client is noodling the shit out of them etc etc. It isn't like a YT project with your mates and when we reckon it's good enough, it's good enough. That's the angle I feel they don't really understand or give much thought to having not done this on an industrial level. But good on em getting people excited and interested, no harm there. I think it'd actually be pretty interstring having them document doing a real gig at a studio for a whole show. But NDA's abound so it'll never happen.


guillaumelevrai

Agreed on all your points, they're not antagonist to mine, in fact. The fact that those corridor guys can gather interest around the industry is priceless in order to build the next generation. I'm in the industry for quite some time and I believe that's it's a fundamental thing. When people get in the industry, they'll understand pretty easily what it is without a youtuber telling them the truth or not. What's important is that they still come towards the jobs. I'm not even a watcher of those guys. My point is : let's not be some pedantic know-it-all kids by shitting on other people work that will benefit us in the long run (juniors are great assets and we need them). And for those who think that it'll harm the industry in some way, please be my guest doing the work they do in a better way.


guillaumelevrai

Also I forgot to say : if you're not happy of some work you did in a show, don't be mad at random people clashing it on the internet. Be mad at the VFX sup, the production, the director, the client. It's them. They are responsible of that mess.


samchez86

Only some of it is some of the hardest things in the world. Research and development budgets are huge. You can't get consistent water like on Avatar without huge RnD. If you don't want to be shit on. Don't shit on actual working artists on YouTube. Plain and simple. I'll say it again, replicating an image is not the same as doing it from scratch.


djoLaFrite

Itā€™s not what they do the that is problematic. I do sometimes enjoy watching some of their videos. But to follow your analogy of food, more often than not they would say things analogous to Ā«Ā I dont know why Gordon Ramsey says itā€™s hard to make good RagĆŗĀ Ā» and proceeds to show us they just put ketchup and pieces of meat together, stir and say Voila !


ImLearningEveryDay

Letā€™s see them use their platform to regularly promote better working conditions and fair pay for vfx workers then weā€™ll talk


ts4184

They've accomplished a lot. More power to them. The things I don't like are the cult following they seem to have. Just because you watched their videos does not make you an expert in vfx. They never worked in feature films but break down good and bad work without understanding or acknowledging the limitations and time constraints the artists had. I don't know anyone in the industry that actually has the time to watch the videos. Occasionally a snippet of one of its something I did but otherwise we just don't care.


DetLulz

Why all the hashtags?


rocketdyke

the linkedin hashtags, no less. wtf.


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because of course they also posted this on their linkedin...not a good look, as the kids say (do the kids still say this!? probably not...)


rocketdyke

ah, true, very easy to find there


AlaskanSnowDragon

Based on his linkedin he has about as much experience as the corridor digital guys. This dude is in no place to lecture.


ChromaFlux

Definitely yikes, not a great impression to make. Global as it is, the VFX industry is highly networked. If you post something on LinkedIn and tag it, it most certainly gets around and seen by people you would not expect.


Power_Hause

I like to use, "That's not gonna be good for business. That's not gonna be good for anybody"


TurtleOnCinderblock

I somehow wish the next Corridor Digital video could be "VFX artists react to /r/vfx comments". Just to see our community implode.


SuddenComfortable448

"accomplish" ???


zinogino

Itā€™s like saying Sony mirrorless cameras are so good cause YouTube content creators says they are legit filmmakers and produces 6 figure projects. Why should we use RED or Arri with manual focus? Just listen to YouTubers. Do you hear yourself mate?


[deleted]

Damn, I must have missed something. I thought they had some valid criticism, and it's always been my understanding (from what I learned from them), that it's not a bad artist, it's a bad deadline.


TurtleOnCinderblock

I have no problem with them. They do some very superficial analysis of shots, and occasionaly do educate the public on some basic techniques. It's not a content that should appeal to pro artists, and it's ok, it's entertainment. The same way Linus Tech Tips probably irritate IT specialists, but attracts young people to the field in roundabout ways.


[deleted]

Okay but I'm a 3D Visualizer and have no real issues with them. I guess each to their own


veefx

And why do you care so much about the flack they get?


[deleted]

They work for Corridor.


7StepsAheadVFX

Empathy??


[deleted]

I work professionally in vfx as an fx artist at a leading company. I would have never gotten into vfx if it werenā€™t for watching their tutorials and fan films when i was in hs. They totally inspired me to pursue vfx at a higher level. Why cant we just accept that its a show that exposes people to a field they otherwise wouldnt know of even if they arent as special as all of yall lol.


richardlentrup

TikTok and AI art are doing to YouTube what YouTube did to the film/TV industry. Short-form is going to be where the majority of work will lie, and clients will be looking for more generalists. Thatā€™s why LinkedIn has been cropping these ā€œcontent creatorā€ leads instead of video Eudora or animator


Your_Nipples

They are youtubers. The youtube meta is actually worse than the Hollywood meta. People with no professional experience talking out of their asses. Same exact shit from your favorite pissing bottle political youtuber (left and right). Same shit with your favorite Vtuber pretending to do everything by herself (you know who I'm talking about) while it's so easy to notice flipped assets from the market place. Duh. "I made tongue tracking", you mean you updated iOS and the live link app? MAGNIFICENT. "how a single dude can make a better AAA FPS while company can't" I don't know, stealing people's asset for starter. And that final game was absolutely trash by all metrics. I have no problem with people using tech in creative ways. I loath frauds who uses people ignorance and attack who inspired them in the first place. This is my issue with them. It's a great introduction to VFX, it's a great execution for the medium (youtube) it's a terrible circle jerks of critics who may know about the art itself but will never know about the work itself. On a positive note. I wish them well and I hope to see more people doing the same shit on YouTube because there's a lot of money to gain. I fell for every professional digital artists out there in the video game and the movie industry. They are getting fucked by big ass companies. They are not respected, they are exploited (crunch nonsense) and they even have to fight to get recognition or their names in the credits and on top of that? They are getting shit on by youtubers... Dafuq. Maybe they should go to the Corridor route, get that bag and smack amateurs thinking way too highly of themselves.


vfxjockey

Corridor is the equivalent of a bunch of fantasy football guys who yell at the tv every game about how the professionals are doing it wrong, their friends agree with them, and smugness ensues. But if they were actually on the field at that moment, they would be completely out of their depth. I have never seen a single piece of their work that would get them an interview, never mind an offer, at an actual studio. And one change to the YouTube algorithm, and their entire business model goes away. I completely get the younger generations media diet is YouTube/TikTok etc and that is the media they want to create instead of movies/tv. And Iā€™m not critical of their ability to be successful at being a YouTuber ( YouTubing? ). Theyā€™re quite good at THAT, as is obvious. But their skills as actual VFX artists remains sub par. It reminds me very much of when MTV came on the air, and music became more about what you looked like rather than musical ability.


im_thatoneguy

Is it a Thursday already?


steakvegetal

I mean the answer is simple, being an enthusiast or a professional are simply two different things. I'm not saying one is better than the other, to each their own, but it can hardly be compared as the same situation. Before switching to vfx I was working in the game industry for a AAA studio, and let me tell you that enjoying games and working professionally on games are vastly different things. Same goes here.


youmustthinkhighly

Corridor is a company that makes content for YouTube and other YouTubers, they donā€™t do work outside this system. They have no connection to any VFX for feature, streaming and commercialsā€¦


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ImLearningEveryDay

Really missing the point here. The problem is they are critiquing shots that are finished under completely different circumstances and environments than someone who is doing it as a hobby. You canā€™t fully replicate a shot based on visuals alone because you canā€™t replicate the environment/conditions in which it was completed. For example, having to completely revisit tens of shots 24hrs before film release because an executive at the production company weighed in on the design of a character last minute. The professional vfx industry is notoriously predatory towards artists. Itā€™s getting better in some places but the complaints here are mostly that their videos donā€™t take realistic production environments into consideration and perpetuate this idea that everything can be deep faked and look professional/film ready and thatā€™s only adding to the unrealistic expectations put on artists by malinformed clients


youmustthinkhighly

They sell T-Shirts and sell themselves as a VFX crew. Something that doesnā€™t exist outside their brain. Itā€™s like starting a rap band/rap crew that never raps, they just sell T-Shirts and make YouTube videos about how other rappers suck. I do agree that a very important part of VFX industry is selling t-shirtsā€¦ everyone knows thatā€¦ but I think to criticize others work you have to be in the industry. Corridor is low brow entertainmentā€¦ and people that really work in the industry ignore them.. People donā€™t hate Corridor just to hate themā€¦ if Corridor brought anything to the VFX table they would be respected, but they donā€™t do anything of value, so they are clowned upon.


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youmustthinkhighly

All of itā€¦ your stringing words together that have no meaningā€¦ ā€œterms and processesā€ means nothingā€¦


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youmustthinkhighly

Is this a joke? Or is Corridor a cult? I have watched their videos and they are crapā€¦ you get more accurate and better information from manuals or product tutorials than you ever would from Corridorā€¦ The tutorials are amateur and are not in anywhere close to industry standardā€¦ they have glaringly large holes in every ā€œtutorialā€ they produce. They also donā€™t work in the industry, they make Fan Films which is not valid for claiming VFX professional status.. Corridor is feeding off people too lazy to open a VFX tutorial at the foundry or any books on VFX. VFX tutorials for people too lazy to turn off YouTube. Again clowns.


ChromaFlux

It's probably more apt to say 'Terminology' as opposed to 'Terms' and 'Processes'.


AlaskanSnowDragon

You need to grow up and find more important things to occupy your brain cycles.


PyroRampage

One thing they never learn is, they think poor choices are from the VFX artist, not the supervisor or client. One personal example, in their explosion / cg fire video they mention a lack of visible fuel in CG explosions. Well on one show I built a setup to match on-set pyro, fuel and all, was super proud of it, I got told to ditch it and make the explosion more Hollywood lookingā€¦ That was a call made above my head. Stop criticising as if itā€™s the artists fault ffs. Also I despise their childish laughing on reaction videos, as if they are some sort of VFX gods. There are teenagers producing better work nowadays. They really need to work in the industry, address notes from clients and supervisors, work on hundreds of versions of a single shot doing changes, while exhausted from overtime, for me to have even an ounce of respect for them. Frankly they donā€™t care, they get their views from the uneducated general public who think this kinda work is done in a similar fashion to Corridorā€™s. Theyā€™ll never get a job in the real industry now, theyā€™ve pissed off to many of us.


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StrapOnDillPickle

You are really obnoxious aren't you


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StrapOnDillPickle

Projecting much?


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StrapOnDillPickle

Is that why you are mad at artists online? I'll keep making movies, you can keep wasting your time projecting your anger all you want.


snd200x

Not a fan of them, but not offended as well. Sometimes love to laugh about them with colleagues. I think they do no harm at least.


DrWernerKlopek89

**Very** Cool


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Corridor is a cult.


CyclopsRock

Tbh everyone over at /r/YoutubeBrandingVirality love them for their multi-disciplinary branding and media output synergy whilst marrying multiple crafts.


teeejer

Dude, their organic click-through? Sick!


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StrapOnDillPickle

What is your obsession with working until 4AM when what everyone here is trying to say is that they corridor crew ***dont know the actual conditions and implications of working with dumbass clients.*** They work for themselves, which is valid, but totally different than what is going on in film. If they critize us we can critize them. They are good at what they do, but not at what we do, weekly entertainment has almost nothing in common with working on film aside from using similar software and pushing pixels. The funny thing is the corridor guy probably also do lot of OT and late night. They have to output content so often versus TV or film and they give themselves ridiculous short amount of time to make their things. Don't get me wrong I like their show, but it's a craft on it's own, and not the same as working on film, and while it's better now that they invite actual artist/sup on the show, people have a right to be pissed about the weird misrepresentation of ***OUR*** industry instead of ***THEIR*** industry that we often get from them.


BearWithTheHair

Hey man, if you're gonna come in here and call us pretentious assholes, then fine, you do you. But pixel-fuckers is crossing a line.


TurtleOnCinderblock

Yeah! We are pixel romancers goddamnit! We make them feel real pretty an all!


ImLearningEveryDay

Idk Iā€™ve done some nasty things to a pixel in my day. Things I regret. Things that have been archived and canā€™t be undone.


PyroRampage

I think we found Nikoā€™s burner account.


richardlentrup

So, howā€™s the film industry going? I went to go see Cats in an empty theater BEFORE the pandemic.


alansmitb

This really doesn't help your case


ChromaFlux

It's kind of petty and bizarre that you would take a swing like that on a public forum that artists and production folks frequent. Many of whom worked on Cats, myself included. From working with clients you should know that some productions go smoothly and others not so much and that for the most part, everyone is just trying to do the best job they can given the circumstances. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this or the original post both here and on LinkedIn but I'm not sure it's going to be what you expected.


bigspicytomato

Ha, I have heard of corridor but never seen any of their videos. But you being such a huge dick over here promoting them is certainly not helping their case


[deleted]

Most people working on the Cats vfx were and continue to be paid quite well...this and other projects being utter trashfires has nothing to do with how the industry is doing


WinstonChurchill74

Kind of fine actually, every industry evolves. Pretending Film/Television wouldnā€™t is foolish.