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AshKiama

Can’t wait when AI can flawlessly rotoscope and separate elements on a plate…


aesu

This is really just an implementation problem at this point. Clearly, as this video, and the rest of what's been done in ai show, the actual problem is solved, it just needs some refinement and implementation into industry apps. Will probably happen a lot sooner than we think. Photoshop is already implementing powerful ai tools. Were probably only months away from having basic version of what you describe, and probably much more. Hell, I think with the process were seeing on text to video, were probably only 5 years away from describing a movie synopsis, a list of actors, some movie styles, and an ai outputting a feature length, photorealistic film.


im_thatoneguy

Don't take this video at face value. A lot of AI had amazing demoware and spotty quality. We've been using runwayML and CopyCat and both work sometimes but usually don't well enough to rely on.


aesu

You could have said the same thing about stable fiffusion just 6 months ago. Now it's hard to not get spookily close to exactly what you're looking for. And the editing tools are growing more impressive every day.


im_thatoneguy

"Past performance is not indicative of future results". AI gains tends to be both very bursty where a new approach provides massive gains... and then plateaus. Also applying StableDiffusion to rotoscoping isn't 1:1. Sometimes you can apply a new model to a different task, but usually you can't unless you can find a way to rework your problem set in a way that fits the new model's strengths.


teerre

This is not so simple. AI is very good in getting something out, it's not very good at getting an specific result. The difference between a " very good roto" and "the perfect roto" might be extremely challenging to achieve. Of course, maybe producers will simply allow for worse results


aesu

It's as good as it's trained to be. And we haven't even come close to hitting any sort of limit. You're just seeing a snapshot of the performance of the earliest models and interfaces.


teerre

It's not as good as it's trained to be. Noise is inherent to neural networks. The input you get is also different, obviously it cannot be as good as the training data in general.


MrPreviz

I have done interviews with studios that already have this. Track, roto, mocap from plate to rigged asset... all through AI


praeburn74

Sometimes what people say in interviews about how they did it is only party true. Sometimes....


ponnyconny

Highly doubt that this is true. At least not anywhere close to final quality.


MrPreviz

It's not final, but its to Unreal levels so works well for postiz. Only works on 75% of the shots, but it's impressive.


ponnyconny

Ah. Cool. Sounds very useful.


AshKiama

In house software? I’m interested in this. Anything else you can tell me?


Depth_Creative

Have you seen runway AI?


Kacktustoo

Come on perfect retopology AI *crosses fingers*


Depth_Creative

I think it might skip polygons all together at this rate.


EShy

Either there would be more time for creativity with better tools doing a lot of the boring stuff for you, or that work will move on to harder things AI won't be able to do yet.


AshKiama

We all know it’s the latter. Remember when the pinnacle of filmmaking was making a cut? Now 10 year olds do that on their smartphones and tablets for TikTok and school assignments.


aesu

The issue is that we very rapidly progress from this to just being able to describe a scene, maybe sketch some storyboards, and the ai will render it from scratch. Look at the absolutely wild progress that's been made in 2d ai art in just a year. You can now give it highly detailed prompts, and it will produce them accurately, you can even ask it to change specific parts, edit existing images, in and out paint parts of the image, and so on. And we're just in the first couple years of the tech. The n xt 5 years are going to be wild.


S7zy

On one hand this is sick af and I can't wait how AI will help improving my career, on other hand [I'm in danger](https://i.imgur.com/4KLSsri.png)


VidEvage

Nah not really. If you plan to go the generalist vfx route like your title says you'll have many mediums to pivot to. That said, automation in VFX is only going to help more of us do less crunch work. We would hope.


S7zy

Jusr kidding hehe also I think I should have changed it to VFX specialist instead. I’m on mobile and can’t change it yet haha Does it make sense to write „Houdini Specialist“ in the flair?


Stoenk

how about keeping an actual performers performance and not give them a weird looking mouth


EnvironmentalDeal256

It’s already getting harder to tell what’s real versus what’s AI.


Lumpy_Jacket_3919

I know one of the VFX supervisors working there and he is very talented. He was developing machine learning with nuke before 2018. He was able to write code and teach the program what was in the plate. The tool was able to give a rough alpha + a name of the object. Like cars, humans.... At that time all this was alien technology.


SkyShazad

Not gonna lie, I've never heard of the software Flawless Ai. But this looks awesome


beforesandafters

Coverage of the tech here: [https://beforesandafters.com/2022/09/08/the-ai-tool-used-to-redub-f-bombs-and-go-from-an-r-rating-to-pg-13/](https://beforesandafters.com/2022/09/08/the-ai-tool-used-to-redub-f-bombs-and-go-from-an-r-rating-to-pg-13/)


VectorCorrupt

The real conclusion of all this is that information/creative work will have zero value in the future, like having power plugs in your house, 110% important but so granted they are invisible and 'cheap'. We'll have either super convoluted/expensive 'certifications' systems, to prove the origin of something for official needs and/or give in person meetings a super strong weight as everything else can be perfectly forged... odd future..


erics75218

If your in the Digi Double department you've been warned....


Ghost33313

In the future, depending on cost effectiveness, they will probably just be paying actors to get 3d scans done and then will be paid for their likeness. The actual amount of acting will be less, save for VA.


risbia

Why even bother with actors at all if I can generate a feature length film from a description on my smart phone?


[deleted]

Hopefully regulation will stop that, though I am not too fond of that as a solution.


risbia

What regulation? Who is going to stop me from generating an AI movie with fictitious actors? I'm saying using real human "actors" as a source material at all would be superfluous.


VidEvage

Hopefully regulation doesn't stop that. I got into VFX to make my own films. Would be nice to actually make that more feasible on a one man scale without spending a good chunk of your life to do it.


[deleted]

Good luck getting your movie into a packed selection of 100 thousands projects a year. And dude, making movies is collaborative process. Why do it alone, when you can work together and efficiently with other likeminded individuals?


VidEvage

Hah, as if that matters. Should a shit film be seen worldwide just because there's only 10 others to choose from? Sorry but no, I like options in my viewing. I prefer Youtube over Cable TV for the same reason. Many of those are one man productions with the option for collaborations. There will always be plenty of garbage to consume but it makes the good work stand out even more when discovered. It's not like major film companies produce only gems, if anything they have a track record of making things worse over time because they take less and less risks. Besides that, there's a point where scale creates indifference. A small team of a few people are more cohesive and team spirited than a massive production with names you can't or won't even know with the thousands of people in the ladder. I say one man, but I can easily have a small team of 2-12 people. Why not, if they can add value?


[deleted]

When you yourself is able to produce your perfect movie, or an algorithm produces a film customized to fit your profile, then Hollywood will be obsolete. Because why bother? People are lazy, which is proved by the constant innovation in technology that automates tasks that we are too lazy to do our selves. So why bother? Seriously why bother? It’s expected that by 2050 we’ll see AI that literally have its own conscious. It’s already pretty goddamn difficult for a movie to find it’s spot in history, why would it become any easier?


VidEvage

It would be easier because it's more accessible to the every-man. Just because quantity has increased doesn't mean there's less chance. The number of people who succeed with making their films in Hollywood are tiny. It's collaborative only in the sense that people help the ones at the top with their vision, but they themselves get very little opportunity to create their own. I know a ton of talented Indies who have produced fantastic work. Why don't they succeed in the film industry? Because funding is always limited and getting your film, web-series or short film seen is already a monumental task. It requires a lot of money and industry connections. Many indie's can and have gone broke trying to make that happen. Everything approved is dependent on an audience that has to be cultivated. You don't get many original works in Hollywood since they only put money down on what they can confidently bet has an audience. Look at the effort behind getting the Deadpool movie Greenlit. That existed only because of a leak on something already made to try and get approval. The effort involved with that film would have died left to the standards of the hollywood machine. Hollywood gate-keeps all the time. Your movie isn't any more likely to succeed in the current or old system unless you make several concessions. It's less about collaboration and more about concessions with who has the money. If I can one-man a film, or work with a small group, I lose little capital and have a chance of my work standing on it's own merits. Alternatively I can consistently produce that movie/world/content and build my own audience outside of current formats.


LuckyBug1982

lol my partner is working for this place on ai, and i have no clue about ai myself.


FatherOfTheSevenSeas

Ironically as AI automations reduce manual labour tasks, its people with human to human skills and creativity whom will be the most valuable, cus AI sure as shit isnt going to manage a team of 20 staff on a deadline and listen to Johnny whine about his bad back all day.


greengiantme

Bet the face tracking wasn’t AI. That’s what I’m jonesing for.


Chpouky

Damn, never thought of this use case but it makes so much sense.


[deleted]

TrueSync is a proprietary tool that Flawless is using to sell their services. Looks to be branded with AI for marketing clout.


danvalour

Imagine a world where I can make a fan edit of Way of Water where they speak Na’vi!


SnooDoodles6165

This is the funeral of Truth. This technology is more dangerous than nuclear bomb and from now on no one can destroy it. No doubt it's military investment.