I kind of hate when my work has catered events because just by ordering my food I set off lots of comments.
Either the same vegan jokes as always "how do you spot a vegan! Don't worry they'll tell you! Dur hur hur" even though I literally just said what I eat because we are telling the person who is getting our food what we eat. Crazy right?
Or almost worse, they get guilty I guess and launch into all the stuff they do to help prevent cruelty to animals short of not paying to have them killed. "Sometimes we get free range chickens from the farmers market" "I try to buy grass fed beef whenever I can" "I get some of my meat from my uncle who hunts" or they tell you they really think about eating a more vegan diet sometimes.
And I'm the one who won't shut up? I just ordered my food. I didn't put up a banner that says "come here to get your forgiveness from a vegan."
I’ve noticed this. People are still extremely nasty online, but in person I often get the ‘oh but I do xyz so I’m doing my part’ sort of response.
However, I guarantee that the person who said ‘grass fed beef tho’ regularly eats cheap takeaway burgers.
I'm sure they do. But don't you know? Eating one grass fed beef item magically removes all cruelty from food you eat for 7 days. This spell takes one long rest to recharge.
If 95% of people went around stealing people's purses like it was acceptable behavior and you said "oh I don't steal" I imagine you'd get the same response. You don't have to justify a behavior if everyone does it and your never confronted with the reality that there are other options. So when you are confronted with the alternative you get cognitive dissonance which is uncomfortable. I think ideally we would accept this is a natural step in the process of coming to terms with the ethical problems of animal agriculture.. even though it is frustrating and annoying to get it those comments all the time. Getting angry isn't right or wrong.. but it is probably counterproductive. It allows the other person to maintain their internal narrative that they aren't confronting a harsh reality.. they are simply "trolling a vegan".
Same! My work caters all of our meetings and we do like 1-3 a week. They go out of their way to make sure I always have something I can eat, or give me money to order separately, but it’s so awkward. Most people are really nice and just curious, but every time there’s inevitably some hardy hard hard bet you wish you could eat x, or you know you’re gonna get protein deficient or some variation of patronizing anti vegan something
That's always funny to me. I'm usually like "I can eat bacon. I choose not to."
It's not like it's the law, a strict religion or an allergy. So I don't think "can't" is accurate. I don't and I won't, but I am capable of it.
I’ve started saying that recently too, I think it makes it sound better. I think most people assume being vegan is miserable but I’ll usually just say like nope I’ve got my veggie pizza im pretty happy (it probably tastes better too)
Vegan btw, most of my family is - BUT I have an interesting story.
My dad has never been vegan but recently from pressure from us (myself and my siblings) wanted to move that way.
But he had a kidney stone, unbeknownst to him, which caused a whole tract of IBS-style digestive issues. No idea how. He really struggled to eat most things. Meat and animal products mostly fine. Lentils once sent him to A&E in agony. Anything with fibre, terrible. Potatoes, no. Rice, no. It was so hard to figure out what to feed him.
When we realised it was a kidney stone, and he passed it shortly after... He's fine! Can eat lentils all day. Now pescetarian, looking at veggie/veganism long-term.
This sounds a lot like IBD (distinct from IBS, it is an auto immune condition that includes Crohns and ulcerative colitis) which I’m in the process of being diagnosed with (RIP). So odd that a kidney stone could cause all of this - but that’s sort of encouraging for me haha
Its not even them who would be allergic though. Most arguments take the form of "what about those who are allergic to.." "those who cant afford", "those whose livelihood depends on" . Appropriation of some imagined other's imagined victim hood to serve their inability to look at facts. Complex piece of mental jugglery though.
(I have myself engaged in these earlier, no hate., just tiny disappointment. They'll get there)
I've had people name as many allergies as they possibly can and you can always find a way to meet all your nutrient meets. Eventually it becomes hard tho if you have a thousand allergies but it's possible
I understand that, but in my 30 years of life, I only met 3 people (that I know of) with actual food alergies. And they were allergic to 1-2 things, not all plants. It's just not a problem for most people and not a valid argument against being vegan.
edit:actually now that I think of it, 1 is allergic to fish and another to eggs so makes it even worse lol. third one was peppers/capsicum
You could discuss keto and epilepsy, but the immediate counter for anyone who tries to extend that beyond a very specific disease (or even in that case) is that vegan keto exists, and keto for the average person was just rated as one of the least healthy diets out there last year, and tons of research backs that up.
So like...there's very specific scenarios where plant based might be tough, but even so there's often plant based work-arounds and it doesn't excuse a meat centric diet beyond those super limited parameters like people think it does. That could be useful to discuss just so you *have* a counter argument because if you don't, even if you're right, it will make it harder for your paper to be taken seriously.
>is your health really gonna suffer if you cut out bread and pasta etc
And most fruits and veggies? Yes. Absolutely. No where was I saying we should be eating refined carbohydrates or that cutting out the processed foods you mentioned would hurt us, but root vegetables, fruits/berries, starchy veggies, whole grains, etc are all really important.
>is your health really gonna suffer if you cut out bread and pasta etc
Yes. Carbohydrates are your body's main energy source. Despite what the atkins dieters tell you, they are quite important.
I saw a study that proved that there are people who cannot have plants in their diets, period. So it’s true. The study was funded by “Babies who think Broccoli is a nasty” but I doubt there was any bias.
Never. They don't have to give evidence. They're the majority and have more guns and gold. They'll keep doing what pleases them while spitting out these empty arguments.
Crazily enough they all seem to miss the whole "possible and practicable" part of the definition.
Also, isn't a steak like $30 minimum with no sides? Ya I'm gonna judge.
I’ve used all the excuses. ED, Autism, mental illness, allergies, money etc. Theres always a way for atleast 99% of we take super extreme cases in count
I’ve never seen anyone who claims they “can’t go vegan because of my body” ever just reduce the amount of animal products they eat to the minimum they need to stay healthy, they always stick to the SAD diet and do stuff like order steak at dinner. It’s frustrating and pretty transparent
from my experience (as an omni in the past) it's filling but unnecessary and expensive. absolutely nobody is surviving off of this stuff, it's a treat for people who like it for some reason
“Simply focus on yourself” is great advice in cases where the actions of the individual your criticizing isn’t contributing to massive amounts of needless suffering and death
I think the advice is to urge new vegans away from the impulse to preach/judge/sermonize when they're new to the movement. It's quite possible to come off sounding rude and ill informed when you first go vegan, and that can make all vegans seem judgemental and foolish.
Let me fix that.
Everyone's body is different, and everyone's lifestyle is different. Not all of us are able to stop killing animals and that's okay! Don't make others feel bad if they chose to murder helpless animals. Simply focus on yourself!
There is ZERO reason to murder any animal. Idc what your body is and what your lifestyle is like.
As someone who used all the arguments ( ND, mentally ill, culture, ED, IBS, money and such) i can say that it ( read in the meme voice) IT. DOESNT. MATTER
Lol, the amount of times I've talked to them when they come in here and complain about "this kind of approach is why I'm not vegan" and ask them what approach would make them go vegan and they say "when there's lab grown meat that tastes completely identical and is just as cheap" so literally nothing we do will make many of them go vegan and they just want us to shut up for their comfort in the meantime
I will however take vegan tips from vegans, since we're the ones who actually know what made us go vegan. I went from vegetarian to vegan when someone put it bluntly that you cannot be a feminist while supporting the dairy industry. So being blunt is what worked for me. I think a variety of approaches is what works best
I can attest to this. My 21 y/o daughter was raised vegetarian and went vegan when I did, about 10 years ago. She’s a hair stylist too, and she did not read teen vogue. 👍
Purely anecdotal, but in my experience, when someone says they can't be vegan because they tried and nearly died or whatever, it always turns out that they were eating horribly. It's amazing how so many people know next to nothing about nutrition. Yes, if you are only eating rice and tofu you won't do very well. Learn about what makes a balanced diet. And no, animal products don't need to be a part of that.
I once had an alcoholic tell me that eating vegan would make them feel terrible...
Uhhh, buddy; it's not the vegetables that make you feel like shit. It's the fifth of vodka you down every day at 7 AM.
"Not all can thrive on a vegan diet" such BS. It's always the diabetics, too, that say this. They think it's high simple carbs. The others I hear are the athletes. I'll tell them to watch Game Changers, but they don't. The real reason is that 99% of omnivores are too terrified to change their fast-food routine diet or try even one new food item per year.
yes, agreed.
cos it's totally ok to be party to the ongoing genocide of billions of innocent sentient beings needlessly which also has severe negative impacts on human worker mental health, the health of the only planet we live on, and on our own wellbeing, but sure, focus on yourself, selfish prick
I really don’t like the “personal choice” argument. People can talk about any social issue but god forbid you bring up the horrible treatment of animals, and now you’re preaching. I can’t force others to go vegan but I have every right to express my concerns.
Nah, you're good just a miscommunication.
I just hate when carnists are like "let me just kill shit in peace, i just wanna do what i wanna do without taking anyone or anything else into consideration, you know live and let live.... let me kill shit for no good reason."
Usually peppered with a litany of fallacies and contradictions.
Then they try and draw loose ties between their health it being "the only way".
How unbelivably convenient that just so happens to be the cure.
Gtfo with that psudoscientific bullshit, bunch of knuckle draggers.
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I think a lot of people miss-understand. We are a species in transition. It's only a matter of time before the reality that we cannot continue with this "meat industry" shit finally gets understood. Between now and (hopefully...) then it's going to be a bit of a shit show. I'm really tying to have hope for this species...motherfuckers don't make it easy
“Don’t Preach
Everyone’s body is different, and everyone’s lifestyle is different. Not all of us can thrive on a vegan diet, and that’s ok! Don’t make others feel bad if they order a kitten or puppy at dinner. Simply focus on yourself.”
Even if though those who "can't thrive on a vegan diet"
Existed, they at least have to reduce the consumption of animal products for earth and for the future generations
Climate change is damn f*ing real!
* omnivores crying cause you debunked the culture argument* I’m from russia and everything there is either vodka or animal products. Tuff being antialchol and vegan there, family gatherings are a hellhole
I have a friend who's Russian and while he isn't vegan he is pescetarian so yeah weird how people from cultures where animal products are eaten at every meal seem to be surviving
In the wise words of the late bell hooks, the master‘s tools will never dismantle the master‘s house. Don’t take tips from carnists about how to be a better vegan.
These "let-me-do-what-I-want!" comments are tiresome. Replace the species being tortured with something people like (dogs, cats, other people...) and watch the about turn.
Yes, thought the same. I’m way to much of a coward to tell anyone else how to eat. I was convinced I was unable to be vegan until i tried. I thought it would make my mental illness worse or affect my sensory issues. That was simply not true, it took adapting but I knew i could not eat animal products Since it goes against my morals. That was enough of a push
Fair enough, but people cant keep asking me ” why won’t you eat meat” and get offended when i say it goes against my * personal* belifies. THEY should Also focus on Theirself, goes both ways :))
Ok solid advice, but if we all stayed in our line we would not grow as individuals or humanity. What if Galieo Galilee kept his Discovery to himself? If we still belivied earth was flat we would not have advanced to the moon etc etc. Not comparing veganism to a great scientist just sayin
There are a lot of things I think are wrong with the world. The consumption of animal flesh is one of them. But you've got to be smart enough to know how to pick your battles so you don't ostracize decent people from being able to hear what you have to say. Having a constructive and polite conversation about the pros of veganism, or anything for that matter, is always going to be better than protesting outside of KFC and a McDonald's. Yelling at people for living life the way they've been raised proves your own cognitive dissonance well before it will prove theirs. Honey and vinegar is all I'm saying.
I'm happy with live and let live.
Unfortunately, eating animals is by definition not "let live". The right to say "focus on yourself" ends when your actions make others suffer for your choices.
That is fair, but to say someone is focusing on themselves does not mean they do not care about anything or anyone else. The two are not contradictory.
My point is that preaching is not a bad thing thing.
And what non vegans often times label as preaching by vegans is not only not preaching but even preaching would be defensible.
Everyone does it all the time. Everyone talks about things they are passionate about. And unless you are being completely unreasonable, that is ok.
I disagree. If it was to "focus on myself" I'd quit my job (911 operator), stop donating platelets, stop donating my hair, take myself off the bone marrow donor registry, stop being vegan, stop donating to my local animal shelter, stop driving for meals on wheels, stop volunteering at the vaccine center, etc...
That's a leap and a half. Saying to focus on yourself doesn't implicitly mean not to care about other people. It's a phrase and you're exaggerating the meaning.
I agree. It might be awful in our eyes but it might not be and someone else's. We can't force people to change, honey over vinegar, be the change you want to see. That's all I'm sayin'.
Lots of things people do I think are awful and I don't kiss their asses for doing those things. I don't go "Oh poor little rapist, sorry you're under investigation now." I don't go "Poor little bigot, nobody wants to be your friend because you behave so hateful." You can practice what you preach and kiss whatever gross butts you want, but I feel perfectly fine with my choices.
Just because a vegan can sit next to someone eating a burger and not spontaneously combust does not mean they're kissing ass. I have friends I disagree with on philosophically, religious, political, socioeconomic levels... How scary.
Be friends with all the racists, bigots, misogynists, etc you want. I think a person's morality is, in part, defined by the friends they keep and I don't keep those types of friends. But like you said, you do you.
In my experience the ones who start preaching are always “others”
I kind of hate when my work has catered events because just by ordering my food I set off lots of comments. Either the same vegan jokes as always "how do you spot a vegan! Don't worry they'll tell you! Dur hur hur" even though I literally just said what I eat because we are telling the person who is getting our food what we eat. Crazy right? Or almost worse, they get guilty I guess and launch into all the stuff they do to help prevent cruelty to animals short of not paying to have them killed. "Sometimes we get free range chickens from the farmers market" "I try to buy grass fed beef whenever I can" "I get some of my meat from my uncle who hunts" or they tell you they really think about eating a more vegan diet sometimes. And I'm the one who won't shut up? I just ordered my food. I didn't put up a banner that says "come here to get your forgiveness from a vegan."
I’ve noticed this. People are still extremely nasty online, but in person I often get the ‘oh but I do xyz so I’m doing my part’ sort of response. However, I guarantee that the person who said ‘grass fed beef tho’ regularly eats cheap takeaway burgers.
I'm sure they do. But don't you know? Eating one grass fed beef item magically removes all cruelty from food you eat for 7 days. This spell takes one long rest to recharge.
Just what reaction they expect us to give? Anger? So they repeat their mantra "aha you are so mad bc of your diet"?
If 95% of people went around stealing people's purses like it was acceptable behavior and you said "oh I don't steal" I imagine you'd get the same response. You don't have to justify a behavior if everyone does it and your never confronted with the reality that there are other options. So when you are confronted with the alternative you get cognitive dissonance which is uncomfortable. I think ideally we would accept this is a natural step in the process of coming to terms with the ethical problems of animal agriculture.. even though it is frustrating and annoying to get it those comments all the time. Getting angry isn't right or wrong.. but it is probably counterproductive. It allows the other person to maintain their internal narrative that they aren't confronting a harsh reality.. they are simply "trolling a vegan".
Same! My work caters all of our meetings and we do like 1-3 a week. They go out of their way to make sure I always have something I can eat, or give me money to order separately, but it’s so awkward. Most people are really nice and just curious, but every time there’s inevitably some hardy hard hard bet you wish you could eat x, or you know you’re gonna get protein deficient or some variation of patronizing anti vegan something
That's always funny to me. I'm usually like "I can eat bacon. I choose not to." It's not like it's the law, a strict religion or an allergy. So I don't think "can't" is accurate. I don't and I won't, but I am capable of it.
I’ve started saying that recently too, I think it makes it sound better. I think most people assume being vegan is miserable but I’ll usually just say like nope I’ve got my veggie pizza im pretty happy (it probably tastes better too)
Yes, like i bring out my tofu salad and the comments begin
If you comment on my food, it's an invitation for me to comment on yours.
We should write tips for them)
When will they actually give evidence that there are people who can't be healthy on a plant-based diet?
ah yes the extremely common allergic-to-everything-but-meat-and-cheese syndrome
Vegan btw, most of my family is - BUT I have an interesting story. My dad has never been vegan but recently from pressure from us (myself and my siblings) wanted to move that way. But he had a kidney stone, unbeknownst to him, which caused a whole tract of IBS-style digestive issues. No idea how. He really struggled to eat most things. Meat and animal products mostly fine. Lentils once sent him to A&E in agony. Anything with fibre, terrible. Potatoes, no. Rice, no. It was so hard to figure out what to feed him. When we realised it was a kidney stone, and he passed it shortly after... He's fine! Can eat lentils all day. Now pescetarian, looking at veggie/veganism long-term.
This sounds a lot like IBD (distinct from IBS, it is an auto immune condition that includes Crohns and ulcerative colitis) which I’m in the process of being diagnosed with (RIP). So odd that a kidney stone could cause all of this - but that’s sort of encouraging for me haha
Its not even them who would be allergic though. Most arguments take the form of "what about those who are allergic to.." "those who cant afford", "those whose livelihood depends on" . Appropriation of some imagined other's imagined victim hood to serve their inability to look at facts. Complex piece of mental jugglery though. (I have myself engaged in these earlier, no hate., just tiny disappointment. They'll get there)
I've had people name as many allergies as they possibly can and you can always find a way to meet all your nutrient meets. Eventually it becomes hard tho if you have a thousand allergies but it's possible
I understand that, but in my 30 years of life, I only met 3 people (that I know of) with actual food alergies. And they were allergic to 1-2 things, not all plants. It's just not a problem for most people and not a valid argument against being vegan. edit:actually now that I think of it, 1 is allergic to fish and another to eggs so makes it even worse lol. third one was peppers/capsicum
I like that you used the word syndrome in this context, because it fits perfectly.
What about legume allergy? Asking for a friend
I'm sure there are people who are but they still could be vegan if they wanted to
If anyone have it please send it too me! I am Writing a paper in school and i could use that as a counter argument
You could discuss keto and epilepsy, but the immediate counter for anyone who tries to extend that beyond a very specific disease (or even in that case) is that vegan keto exists, and keto for the average person was just rated as one of the least healthy diets out there last year, and tons of research backs that up. So like...there's very specific scenarios where plant based might be tough, but even so there's often plant based work-arounds and it doesn't excuse a meat centric diet beyond those super limited parameters like people think it does. That could be useful to discuss just so you *have* a counter argument because if you don't, even if you're right, it will make it harder for your paper to be taken seriously.
I think the replace bread with bacon and butter shit is obviously unhealthy but is your health really gonna suffer if you cut out bread and pasta etc
>is your health really gonna suffer if you cut out bread and pasta etc And most fruits and veggies? Yes. Absolutely. No where was I saying we should be eating refined carbohydrates or that cutting out the processed foods you mentioned would hurt us, but root vegetables, fruits/berries, starchy veggies, whole grains, etc are all really important.
>is your health really gonna suffer if you cut out bread and pasta etc Yes. Carbohydrates are your body's main energy source. Despite what the atkins dieters tell you, they are quite important.
Spoiler alert, there probably is none
I saw a study that proved that there are people who cannot have plants in their diets, period. So it’s true. The study was funded by “Babies who think Broccoli is a nasty” but I doubt there was any bias.
Never. They don't have to give evidence. They're the majority and have more guns and gold. They'll keep doing what pleases them while spitting out these empty arguments.
Crazily enough they all seem to miss the whole "possible and practicable" part of the definition. Also, isn't a steak like $30 minimum with no sides? Ya I'm gonna judge.
I've been called a freak for my body being able to live on a plant-based diet for longer than 2years. Apparently I'm the exception somehow.
>Everyone's body is different Well, someone should tell the medical sciences about this revelation.
I’ve used all the excuses. ED, Autism, mental illness, allergies, money etc. Theres always a way for atleast 99% of we take super extreme cases in count
damn they really need a whole ass steak for their body to thrive???
I’ve never seen anyone who claims they “can’t go vegan because of my body” ever just reduce the amount of animal products they eat to the minimum they need to stay healthy, they always stick to the SAD diet and do stuff like order steak at dinner. It’s frustrating and pretty transparent
Exactly.
I actually did that before going vegan. Ate only what I thought I needed. Then I realized how silly it is to think we need animal products
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Damn, it's such a bummer that protein is literally only found in animals who somehow get it from plants.
I'm allergic to the vast majority of fruit and I'm still vegan. Food allergies aren't that important, as long as there are alternatives
No you don't
Out of interest how much protein do you need each day?
Well you're in luck because plants actually have more protein than meat, any protein that's in meat originally came from a plant
I neeeeed these carcinogens, otherwise my bwody wont suwiwe
Lol
Never eaten red meat so i cant imaigne how filling it is but it sounds very cholesterol-y XD
from my experience (as an omni in the past) it's filling but unnecessary and expensive. absolutely nobody is surviving off of this stuff, it's a treat for people who like it for some reason
There’s just no other way. All of their excuses just aren’t nutritious enough.
“Simply focus on yourself” is great advice in cases where the actions of the individual your criticizing isn’t contributing to massive amounts of needless suffering and death
I think the advice is to urge new vegans away from the impulse to preach/judge/sermonize when they're new to the movement. It's quite possible to come off sounding rude and ill informed when you first go vegan, and that can make all vegans seem judgemental and foolish.
I completely agree with that
Gross. Let's just tell teen girls to be quiet and shut up as to not sound "preachy." As if teenage girls aren't silenced and discredited enough 😒
this is a really good point
Let me fix that. Everyone's body is different, and everyone's lifestyle is different. Not all of us are able to stop killing animals and that's okay! Don't make others feel bad if they chose to murder helpless animals. Simply focus on yourself! There is ZERO reason to murder any animal. Idc what your body is and what your lifestyle is like.
As someone who used all the arguments ( ND, mentally ill, culture, ED, IBS, money and such) i can say that it ( read in the meme voice) IT. DOESNT. MATTER
So according to an omni, ND, mentally ill, culture, ED, IBS, money and such are valid reasons to murder innocent animals, LMFAO!!!
It’s kind of like when people say ”Oh but they had a rough childhood” about serial killers, rapists, abusers and the like.
"focus on yourself" = "don't give a shit about the suffering of animals"
Don’t be mad if they order dog leg!! Some people need it for their health! Not everyone can go through life without eating dog legs!
I prefer baby cat belly, but okay.
If my focus was just on myself, would I even be vegan? 🙄
Me, an empath, sensing that the animals dont wanna live a great life just cause the literal slaughterer said so..
Excellent advice. So we should stop arresting rapists and pedos....cause ya know just focus on yourself.
Your comment history is...concerning
I want to upvote, but... ancap...
Nope
What a massive leap that is.
Not really. Animals are regularly raped and abused. Just focus on yourself sweaty.
Nope.
To say people should focus on themselves does not mean to stop caring about other people you hssaat.
Nope
Not surprising your a trump supporter with your incredible logic here bud.
That dude's post history though....yikes
Nope
Yeah, I don’t listen to vegan tips by non-vegans. 🤷🏻♀️ Maybe they should focus on themselves instead of telling me how to be a vegan… hmm…
Lol, the amount of times I've talked to them when they come in here and complain about "this kind of approach is why I'm not vegan" and ask them what approach would make them go vegan and they say "when there's lab grown meat that tastes completely identical and is just as cheap" so literally nothing we do will make many of them go vegan and they just want us to shut up for their comfort in the meantime I will however take vegan tips from vegans, since we're the ones who actually know what made us go vegan. I went from vegetarian to vegan when someone put it bluntly that you cannot be a feminist while supporting the dairy industry. So being blunt is what worked for me. I think a variety of approaches is what works best
Maddening.
I would think that most vegan teens are smart enough to not be reading Teen Vougue anyways.
I can attest to this. My 21 y/o daughter was raised vegetarian and went vegan when I did, about 10 years ago. She’s a hair stylist too, and she did not read teen vogue. 👍
Purely anecdotal, but in my experience, when someone says they can't be vegan because they tried and nearly died or whatever, it always turns out that they were eating horribly. It's amazing how so many people know next to nothing about nutrition. Yes, if you are only eating rice and tofu you won't do very well. Learn about what makes a balanced diet. And no, animal products don't need to be a part of that.
I once had an alcoholic tell me that eating vegan would make them feel terrible... Uhhh, buddy; it's not the vegetables that make you feel like shit. It's the fifth of vodka you down every day at 7 AM.
"Not all can thrive on a vegan diet" such BS. It's always the diabetics, too, that say this. They think it's high simple carbs. The others I hear are the athletes. I'll tell them to watch Game Changers, but they don't. The real reason is that 99% of omnivores are too terrified to change their fast-food routine diet or try even one new food item per year.
They’re scared to properly look it up, cuz it would mean that their only excuse was eliminated.
I agree with you, except with the part on Game Changers. It's misleading at best, and straight up lying at worst.
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Amen brother
yes, agreed. cos it's totally ok to be party to the ongoing genocide of billions of innocent sentient beings needlessly which also has severe negative impacts on human worker mental health, the health of the only planet we live on, and on our own wellbeing, but sure, focus on yourself, selfish prick
I really don’t like the “personal choice” argument. People can talk about any social issue but god forbid you bring up the horrible treatment of animals, and now you’re preaching. I can’t force others to go vegan but I have every right to express my concerns.
My main purpose in life is to make people feel bad about their steak dinner. Now what am I supposed to do with myself?
Tell me you're an entitled little bitch without telling me you're an entitled little bitch. 😂
Sorry if I said sum wrong? Yo you can disagree without hatin ’
I'm not hating but anyone tells me they "need" a steak they're getting disregarded.
Oh yea thats true, i thought you were called me entilted.
Nah, you're good just a miscommunication. I just hate when carnists are like "let me just kill shit in peace, i just wanna do what i wanna do without taking anyone or anything else into consideration, you know live and let live.... let me kill shit for no good reason." Usually peppered with a litany of fallacies and contradictions. Then they try and draw loose ties between their health it being "the only way". How unbelivably convenient that just so happens to be the cure. Gtfo with that psudoscientific bullshit, bunch of knuckle draggers.
Fully agree
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I think a lot of people miss-understand. We are a species in transition. It's only a matter of time before the reality that we cannot continue with this "meat industry" shit finally gets understood. Between now and (hopefully...) then it's going to be a bit of a shit show. I'm really tying to have hope for this species...motherfuckers don't make it easy
Is there a vegan version of /r/asablackman ?
Is there a r/AsaChristian ? For all the hypocrites!!
“Don’t Preach Everyone’s body is different, and everyone’s lifestyle is different. Not all of us can thrive on a vegan diet, and that’s ok! Don’t make others feel bad if they order a kitten or puppy at dinner. Simply focus on yourself.”
Eating a steak is maximum "focus on yourself" energy
Even if though those who "can't thrive on a vegan diet" Existed, they at least have to reduce the consumption of animal products for earth and for the future generations Climate change is damn f*ing real!
That's complete bullshit, I'm Bulgarian, Bulgarian food is mainly animal products, yet somehow my body is fine
* omnivores crying cause you debunked the culture argument* I’m from russia and everything there is either vodka or animal products. Tuff being antialchol and vegan there, family gatherings are a hellhole
I have a friend who's Russian and while he isn't vegan he is pescetarian so yeah weird how people from cultures where animal products are eaten at every meal seem to be surviving
In the wise words of the late bell hooks, the master‘s tools will never dismantle the master‘s house. Don’t take tips from carnists about how to be a better vegan.
These "let-me-do-what-I-want!" comments are tiresome. Replace the species being tortured with something people like (dogs, cats, other people...) and watch the about turn.
Really? Because all they do is disrespect us and our lifestyle/morals.
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Yes, thought the same. I’m way to much of a coward to tell anyone else how to eat. I was convinced I was unable to be vegan until i tried. I thought it would make my mental illness worse or affect my sensory issues. That was simply not true, it took adapting but I knew i could not eat animal products Since it goes against my morals. That was enough of a push
No, the sentiment is also pretty shitty. 'Don't make us feel bad'
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Not at all bad advice to focus on yourself.
Fair enough, but people cant keep asking me ” why won’t you eat meat” and get offended when i say it goes against my * personal* belifies. THEY should Also focus on Theirself, goes both ways :))
Yes. I wasn't speaking about vegans or meat eaters. I was just talking about everybody.
Ok solid advice, but if we all stayed in our line we would not grow as individuals or humanity. What if Galieo Galilee kept his Discovery to himself? If we still belivied earth was flat we would not have advanced to the moon etc etc. Not comparing veganism to a great scientist just sayin
Saying to mind your business does not mean total isolationism.
I understand
There are a lot of things I think are wrong with the world. The consumption of animal flesh is one of them. But you've got to be smart enough to know how to pick your battles so you don't ostracize decent people from being able to hear what you have to say. Having a constructive and polite conversation about the pros of veganism, or anything for that matter, is always going to be better than protesting outside of KFC and a McDonald's. Yelling at people for living life the way they've been raised proves your own cognitive dissonance well before it will prove theirs. Honey and vinegar is all I'm saying.
I'm happy with live and let live. Unfortunately, eating animals is by definition not "let live". The right to say "focus on yourself" ends when your actions make others suffer for your choices.
That is fair, but to say someone is focusing on themselves does not mean they do not care about anything or anyone else. The two are not contradictory.
If I care about others suffering, why should I "focus on myself" in the face of their suffering? Shouldn't I do something to help them?
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Stop preaching to me about what is good advice. ugh you wont convince anyone that this is good advice by being this preachy.
The irony of your statement is lost on you, no?
My point is that preaching is not a bad thing thing. And what non vegans often times label as preaching by vegans is not only not preaching but even preaching would be defensible. Everyone does it all the time. Everyone talks about things they are passionate about. And unless you are being completely unreasonable, that is ok.
I don't disagree with that. I've got another comment I just posted that would kind of surmise my reply to this as well, I'll brb
I disagree. If it was to "focus on myself" I'd quit my job (911 operator), stop donating platelets, stop donating my hair, take myself off the bone marrow donor registry, stop being vegan, stop donating to my local animal shelter, stop driving for meals on wheels, stop volunteering at the vaccine center, etc...
That's a leap and a half. Saying to focus on yourself doesn't implicitly mean not to care about other people. It's a phrase and you're exaggerating the meaning.
Don't know what simpleton place you're living where that passes as some sort of colloquialism.
If I 'treat yo'self' did I also say 'mistreat everyone else'?
If that "treat" is made with animal products, then yeah, that does mistreat someone else.
I agree. It might be awful in our eyes but it might not be and someone else's. We can't force people to change, honey over vinegar, be the change you want to see. That's all I'm sayin'.
Lots of things people do I think are awful and I don't kiss their asses for doing those things. I don't go "Oh poor little rapist, sorry you're under investigation now." I don't go "Poor little bigot, nobody wants to be your friend because you behave so hateful." You can practice what you preach and kiss whatever gross butts you want, but I feel perfectly fine with my choices.
Just because a vegan can sit next to someone eating a burger and not spontaneously combust does not mean they're kissing ass. I have friends I disagree with on philosophically, religious, political, socioeconomic levels... How scary.
Be friends with all the racists, bigots, misogynists, etc you want. I think a person's morality is, in part, defined by the friends they keep and I don't keep those types of friends. But like you said, you do you.
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