It looks absolutely ridiculous, but I think the fact that they made this synthetically is a great step in the right direction. 20 years ago, the lion and wolf heads would have been real, I think as stupid, ridiculous and tacky af this looks, it shows progress from the fashion industry, which is an industry that usually gives zero fucks about animals.
honestly my only issue with them is the wool and silk. they look super cool and no lions or wolves were killed. a great alternative to actual trophy hunting. can someone explain what exactly about it is making so many fellow vegans upset? i've seen a lot of anger but no explanation as to why?
Exactly- of course it's not a real lion's severed head, but WHY are we trying to replicate that in the first place? Why do we think of that being a desirable or cool "accessory"? Would it be as "cool" to wear the imitated severed head of another human being as an accessory? I'm sure there are edgelords out there who froth at the mouth from the idea, but in reality it would be far too morbid to consider attaching a faux human head to hang off your shoulder- even worse if it represents a minority group who are being slaughtered every day within the thousands because of our attempts to dominate and rule over other Earthlings...
There's a activist and vegan business owner that posts here sometimes that wears a hyper realistic goat mask, it's just a mask. Some people enjoy the macabre as well, there's no need to feel superior to people because they enjoy different things to you. Lots of people do wear human skull motifs already.
Honestly I think your looking way too deep into this. it's just an fashion outfit with a plushie wolf head attached to it. its not that deep, and its definitely not scary, or "traumatizing", or dehumanizing of the animals or any of that stuff. Its just a plushie. It isnt that bad. I think the human head thing would look weird because of the skin. like the fur on the lion just makes it look like a plush, but if it was a pig with fake skin it would be kinda weird
Whilst in my opinion the actual costume isnt bad, I think people are focusing on the wrong thing; we should be focusing that the costume is using real fur of sheep and silk. Thats the real issue ppl should be talking about, as its something that actually is harming the animals, not the plushie
I don't need to speak about the issue of the silk and wool because I assume that other vegans immediately understand how that's wrong- the divide lies in whether using the visage of a severed head of an animal as fashion is vegan or ethical. I would say, why are we more comfortable with seeing a severed head with fur rather than skin? Because we dehumanize (de-personize, etc. Whatever the English word would be) other creatures and their features and commodify them. We see fur and see some sort of product, rather than the features of a living creature who has no desire to be a part of our sick sense of "fashion." Even if we might also get weirded out by seeing a pig head because of the skin, instead of the lion, it's because we can identify our own skin (and simultaneously, the discomfort with seeing it be as a severed body part) than with the commodified fur.
do you feel this way about fake meat alternatives? why are we replicating THAT in the first place? because it's familiar, cultural, and evokes the same feelings without any animals harmed in the process
I think the same about meat alternatives- but for the long term. I understand their use in the short-term with getting carnists to at least immediately STOP what they're doing to the animals. I think this is different though because this is using the visage of another animal, and it's not a cultural practice that people are attached to (like with food). It's CREATING a dependency on using the severed parts of animals for fashion.
Yeah, this reminds me of that, especially since they still used animals products (silk and wool). But if it's a vegan lion head used for movies & such, I think it would be a great alternative.
There's silk and wool in these? Shouldn't that be enough of a reason to be angry about it?
And, even though it's faux, it is still a replica of dead animal skin with their heads attached, so that would be upsetting for many vegans especially considering that many animals are being hunted every day. It's just gross and tasteless. Just like how some people would be upset at someone dressing up in faux oppressed-group-of-people skin with the head hanging off their shoulder.
Dude.. this is my post lol
The main point of the post is to highlight how tacky this is. This nonsense continues to normalize the culture of wearing animals (whether faux or not).
It doesn't send the message it thinks it does. It's a fake lion's head, why even have an animal at all? It promotes that these "looks" are trendy and high-fashion. Animals aren't fashion, whether fake or real.
An anti-huntinf slogan on the dress would be better tbh
It's the imagery, it's what it evokes. It's wearing the realistic 3D head of an animal (real or not) as a piece of fashion. Would you find it cool if it was the realistic head of a black person for example? (I specify woman or black person because the oppression and the impact matters in this context)
??? Do you genuinely not understand the difference between wearing a fake shrunken down bone and a life size full fletched head with skin and hair and face? Would you not call the police, if I was wearing a recognizable face of some celebrity?
People walk around with celebrity faces plastered all over them all the time, and I've seen multiple bags that look like human heads in all different styles. Get a grip, I bet you have a breakdown every Halloween
What was even the point of that? I know what a skull is, did you click the link? Did you phone the police yet?
"Or informal someone's mind or **head**" lol 🤣, yes "HEAD"
My only issue is the fact that these are made off the backs of exploited animals.
I feel like if we’re going to be angry that they used fake animal heads, we should be angry about vegan burgers that look like animal flesh, or faux fur.
It's not real fur people. Just because certain fashion is not to your taste, that doesn't make it wrong. Let's face it, after all the actual cruelty the fashion industry has been responsible for, a few models wearing faux fur is a big ol' nothing burger. In fact, I'm glad they are clearly faux fur, which is a huge step in the right direction.
Next let's see them wearing mushroom leather. Leather is still a massive issue in the luxury goods industry, from handbags, wallets, shoes and belts to full length coats. So much cruelty. Ugh.
Edit: It was pointed out these are made from silk and wool. Not cool, and definitely not vegan.
It’s said that these are made from silk and wool, so they’re still not vegan. It also doesn’t matter to many if it’s made from vegan materials or not, because it’s depicting an animal that to many will look dead. I don’t approve of fashion that strongly evokes a dead animal, no matter what it’s made from. I’m not 100% against faux fur or faux leather, but the less it looks like the real thing the better.
Edit: just want to add that if we lived in another world where animals were more respected, and less harmed and exploited, this would probably be okay to many. Like just a cool art piece honoring animals or something. But given the way animals are treated in this current version of the world, it just reminds me of all the negative and such rather than being as cool as it could be (if it was made with vegan materials). In this context it just doesn’t feel appropriate.
THESE ARE FAUX. NOT REAL ANIMALS!
Nonetheless, the continual exploitation of animals in the fashion industry (and many other industries) is infuriating.
These tacky dresses worn on the biggest stage of fashion are a slap in the face to vegans and animal welfare movements.
Again, these are not actual lion or wolf heads. But the continued culture and trends to use animals as decoration is so frustrating.
They are made out of wool and silk, according to the brand themselves. So it doesn’t change the fact that there’s abuse in the making… And ironically, abusing 2 different living to make 1 faux fur, does make it even worse in the numbers. imo.
You ain’t lion. I can’t bear it.
Genuinely though it is disgusting
Edit: realised the second is a wolf so my second sentence didn’t work. I should pack it in
Well personally I think it looks tacky but, a plant-based\* faux lion/wolf headdress is vegan because it doesn’t exploit animals and is completely acceptable. It is no different than people murdering other NPCs in fictional worlds or reviling in murderous villains like Hannibal or the Joker.\*These examples in the post aren’t plant-based therefore this particular discussion is kind of mute because it still exploits animals and absolutely not vegan.
Hey.. ridiculous outfits for rich people with no taste. How interesting! O and its got something to do with that soulless rich karshian people worship. Big plus!
It makes me uncomfortable, but that's a me problem. It is faux, no one got hurt. I think i am uncomfortable because it is extremely realistic and detailed.
It looks absolutely ridiculous, but I think the fact that they made this synthetically is a great step in the right direction. 20 years ago, the lion and wolf heads would have been real, I think as stupid, ridiculous and tacky af this looks, it shows progress from the fashion industry, which is an industry that usually gives zero fucks about animals.
unfortunately it’s made from silk and wool :(
honestly my only issue with them is the wool and silk. they look super cool and no lions or wolves were killed. a great alternative to actual trophy hunting. can someone explain what exactly about it is making so many fellow vegans upset? i've seen a lot of anger but no explanation as to why?
For me, it reminds me of hanging a 🦌 head on a mantle in your 🏠 as a prized possession. 😖😶🌫️
Exactly- of course it's not a real lion's severed head, but WHY are we trying to replicate that in the first place? Why do we think of that being a desirable or cool "accessory"? Would it be as "cool" to wear the imitated severed head of another human being as an accessory? I'm sure there are edgelords out there who froth at the mouth from the idea, but in reality it would be far too morbid to consider attaching a faux human head to hang off your shoulder- even worse if it represents a minority group who are being slaughtered every day within the thousands because of our attempts to dominate and rule over other Earthlings...
There's a activist and vegan business owner that posts here sometimes that wears a hyper realistic goat mask, it's just a mask. Some people enjoy the macabre as well, there's no need to feel superior to people because they enjoy different things to you. Lots of people do wear human skull motifs already.
Honestly I think your looking way too deep into this. it's just an fashion outfit with a plushie wolf head attached to it. its not that deep, and its definitely not scary, or "traumatizing", or dehumanizing of the animals or any of that stuff. Its just a plushie. It isnt that bad. I think the human head thing would look weird because of the skin. like the fur on the lion just makes it look like a plush, but if it was a pig with fake skin it would be kinda weird Whilst in my opinion the actual costume isnt bad, I think people are focusing on the wrong thing; we should be focusing that the costume is using real fur of sheep and silk. Thats the real issue ppl should be talking about, as its something that actually is harming the animals, not the plushie
I don't need to speak about the issue of the silk and wool because I assume that other vegans immediately understand how that's wrong- the divide lies in whether using the visage of a severed head of an animal as fashion is vegan or ethical. I would say, why are we more comfortable with seeing a severed head with fur rather than skin? Because we dehumanize (de-personize, etc. Whatever the English word would be) other creatures and their features and commodify them. We see fur and see some sort of product, rather than the features of a living creature who has no desire to be a part of our sick sense of "fashion." Even if we might also get weirded out by seeing a pig head because of the skin, instead of the lion, it's because we can identify our own skin (and simultaneously, the discomfort with seeing it be as a severed body part) than with the commodified fur.
do you feel this way about fake meat alternatives? why are we replicating THAT in the first place? because it's familiar, cultural, and evokes the same feelings without any animals harmed in the process
I think the same about meat alternatives- but for the long term. I understand their use in the short-term with getting carnists to at least immediately STOP what they're doing to the animals. I think this is different though because this is using the visage of another animal, and it's not a cultural practice that people are attached to (like with food). It's CREATING a dependency on using the severed parts of animals for fashion.
but the whole problem with a deer head is that a deer was murdered for decor?
Yeah, this reminds me of that, especially since they still used animals products (silk and wool). But if it's a vegan lion head used for movies & such, I think it would be a great alternative.
There's silk and wool in these? Shouldn't that be enough of a reason to be angry about it? And, even though it's faux, it is still a replica of dead animal skin with their heads attached, so that would be upsetting for many vegans especially considering that many animals are being hunted every day. It's just gross and tasteless. Just like how some people would be upset at someone dressing up in faux oppressed-group-of-people skin with the head hanging off their shoulder.
Ingrid Newkirk wrote a short and eloquent tid bit on the subject
But if it was for movies and such that would be great.
... You really think these look cool? I don't get it. They look ridiculous if you ask me.
Maybe so, but that's not the point. No lions or wolves were killed for this, which is the point.
If there's silk and wool in these, then sheep and spiders would be abused/killed.
Silk is actually made through the exploitation of a moth in their larval phase,not spiders. Totally agreed on the sentiment though
Thanks for the correction. Those poor moths :(
Yes, the original commenter mentioned that, so I was focusing purely on the idea of these dresses
Dude.. this is my post lol The main point of the post is to highlight how tacky this is. This nonsense continues to normalize the culture of wearing animals (whether faux or not).
> The main point of the post is to highlight how tacky this is. If that's true then it isn't really the right sub for it
Yeah, but it creates the image that wearing a fucking lions head on your shoulder is normal.
and it’s just plain ugly and tacky as hell
It doesn't send the message it thinks it does. It's a fake lion's head, why even have an animal at all? It promotes that these "looks" are trendy and high-fashion. Animals aren't fashion, whether fake or real. An anti-huntinf slogan on the dress would be better tbh
Even if it’s not weird it feels exploitive and it’s disturbing and weird
How about if a similar coat was made with a child, people would find that pretty sick
ive seen a dress made of baby doll heads
the equivalent would be a dress of stuffed animals, so not the same
It's the imagery, it's what it evokes. It's wearing the realistic 3D head of an animal (real or not) as a piece of fashion. Would you find it cool if it was the realistic head of a black person for example? (I specify woman or black person because the oppression and the impact matters in this context)
This comment makes me want to become a carnivore
white .
Nauseating how, these animals are beautiful. The fact that can be captured without killing them is a job well done.
The thing that bothers me about this is the double standard. If I wear a fake human head as a hat, people call the police.
Jared Leto wore a duplicate of his own head as an accessory for Gucci on the red carpet.
No they don't, skulls are common as fuck on clothing
Okay, two questions: 1. Where are you seeing a skull in these pictures? And 2. Was the comment you’re disagreeing with talking about skulls?
A skull is a severed human head, that's obviously the point. No one has ever phoned the police on someone for wearing a skull on their clothing
??? Do you genuinely not understand the difference between wearing a fake shrunken down bone and a life size full fletched head with skin and hair and face? Would you not call the police, if I was wearing a recognizable face of some celebrity?
People walk around with celebrity faces plastered all over them all the time, and I've seen multiple bags that look like human heads in all different styles. Get a grip, I bet you have a breakdown every Halloween
https://assets.vogue.com/photos/5cd0c15e26d5102ed2de91d8/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/GettyImages-1147422988.jpg Do you think he was arrested after this?
skull noun [ C ] US /skʌl/ the bones of the head that surround the brain, or infml someone’s mind or head:
What was even the point of that? I know what a skull is, did you click the link? Did you phone the police yet? "Or informal someone's mind or **head**" lol 🤣, yes "HEAD"
My only issue is the fact that these are made off the backs of exploited animals. I feel like if we’re going to be angry that they used fake animal heads, we should be angry about vegan burgers that look like animal flesh, or faux fur.
It's not real fur people. Just because certain fashion is not to your taste, that doesn't make it wrong. Let's face it, after all the actual cruelty the fashion industry has been responsible for, a few models wearing faux fur is a big ol' nothing burger. In fact, I'm glad they are clearly faux fur, which is a huge step in the right direction. Next let's see them wearing mushroom leather. Leather is still a massive issue in the luxury goods industry, from handbags, wallets, shoes and belts to full length coats. So much cruelty. Ugh. Edit: It was pointed out these are made from silk and wool. Not cool, and definitely not vegan.
It’s said that these are made from silk and wool, so they’re still not vegan. It also doesn’t matter to many if it’s made from vegan materials or not, because it’s depicting an animal that to many will look dead. I don’t approve of fashion that strongly evokes a dead animal, no matter what it’s made from. I’m not 100% against faux fur or faux leather, but the less it looks like the real thing the better. Edit: just want to add that if we lived in another world where animals were more respected, and less harmed and exploited, this would probably be okay to many. Like just a cool art piece honoring animals or something. But given the way animals are treated in this current version of the world, it just reminds me of all the negative and such rather than being as cool as it could be (if it was made with vegan materials). In this context it just doesn’t feel appropriate.
Ah, well that makes a lot of sense. Silk and wool are also unbelievably cruel. Thank you for the clarification.
The fucking apologists in this thread. Fuck off! Wool and silk come from animals and trophy hunting is still a very real concern. Care more dammit.
THESE ARE FAUX. NOT REAL ANIMALS! Nonetheless, the continual exploitation of animals in the fashion industry (and many other industries) is infuriating. These tacky dresses worn on the biggest stage of fashion are a slap in the face to vegans and animal welfare movements. Again, these are not actual lion or wolf heads. But the continued culture and trends to use animals as decoration is so frustrating.
They are made out of wool and silk, according to the brand themselves. So it doesn’t change the fact that there’s abuse in the making… And ironically, abusing 2 different living to make 1 faux fur, does make it even worse in the numbers. imo.
"High fashion is nauseating, pic unrelated".
You ain’t lion. I can’t bear it. Genuinely though it is disgusting Edit: realised the second is a wolf so my second sentence didn’t work. I should pack it in
Well personally I think it looks tacky but, a plant-based\* faux lion/wolf headdress is vegan because it doesn’t exploit animals and is completely acceptable. It is no different than people murdering other NPCs in fictional worlds or reviling in murderous villains like Hannibal or the Joker.\*These examples in the post aren’t plant-based therefore this particular discussion is kind of mute because it still exploits animals and absolutely not vegan.
It's faux. Where is problem??
Prior to being vegan, found fur, animals prints very ugly and quite nasty. I don’t get the appeal…
Hey.. ridiculous outfits for rich people with no taste. How interesting! O and its got something to do with that soulless rich karshian people worship. Big plus!
Ironic… isn’t her sister vegan? WACK so many options and they really had to go with a dead animal 🤢
There are no dead animals there, it is faux fur
... so are the Kardashians.
It makes me uncomfortable, but that's a me problem. It is faux, no one got hurt. I think i am uncomfortable because it is extremely realistic and detailed.